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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: William Doe on July 11, 2014, 09:22:15 am
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Whenever a topic regarding eligibility gets brought up on the forum and things get a little heated the usual suspects pull out the old chestnut "This shit is driving people away from the sport "
Its usually the same people who want threads closed down or sent to the Dumbgeon as things are not going their way .
Ironically in most cases its the same individuals who then state " there is nothing wrong in the real world , its all forum bullshit that means nothing"
Do you believe that forum discussion has a negative impact on real world VMX participation ?
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If one was less ethical they would lock this topic with a resounding win and declare " I'm out " and take a holiday up the coast with a note " Do not contact "
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Is it as simple as just ignoring a topic that has no value in your opinion and letting it just fade away?
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Its like rubber necking at an accident you dont want to look but just cant help doing so.
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I voted for other. I have personally seen a lot of things on here that I hadn't considered.
However if posts get abusive or personal I think the member should be warned and if it continues the post deleted with a note saying it has been deleted.
Also please note MA has got a "Social Media Policy" it has already seen MA licence holders penalised.
I saw at least two posts after the Aust Post Classic MX Champs at Toowoomba that could have breached the policy. However they were deleted.
Kevin
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Thanks Kev , you wouldn't be able to post that MA social media policy on here would you. Im sure that would make for some interesting reading
Bill
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http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Policies/MA_01_01_Electronic_Communications_and_Social_Media_Policy.pdf (http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Policies/MA_01_01_Electronic_Communications_and_Social_Media_Policy.pdf)
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Thanks Mavman :)
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Having the discussion/debate isn't the problem.
When the discussions become "robust" isn't really a problem.
The fact that it is a hampster wheel the killer.
As to the real life effect... Half the reason I sold my Evo bike was because the perpetual uncertainty shat me to tears.
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As to the real life effect... Half the reason I sold my Evo bike was because the perpetual uncertainty shat me to tears.
Stay off the forum and you could've kept your bike..
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You're putting the cart before the horse there. The questions and the uncertainty exist in the real world - the forum is where they are asked, because they have the greatest chance of being answered.
The questions and uncertainty don't exist only because the forum exists. If anything, the forum exists because the questions exist.
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You're putting the cart before the horse there. The questions and the uncertainty exist in the real world - the forum is where they are asked, because they have the greatest chance of being answered.
The questions and uncertainty don't exist only because the forum exists. If anything, the forum exists because the questions exist.
I'm getting a headache, but I don't know whether I noticed it before or after reading this.
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You're putting the cart before the horse there. The questions and the uncertainty exist in the real world - the forum is where they are asked, because they have the greatest chance of being answered.
The questions and uncertainty don't exist only because the forum exists. If anything, the forum exists because the questions exist.
So why have I never been confronted with said questions and uncertainty at any Evo races in the past 18yrs?
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Haven't you guys got enough topics open to thrash this out yet
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A few more should do it..
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http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Policies/MA_01_01_Electronic_Communications_and_Social_Media_Policy.pdf
MA now saying what you can and cannot say in public.
Joy.
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Nearly all organisations have this. Let's not have a carry on about this.
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You're putting the cart before the horse there. The questions and the uncertainty exist in the real world - the forum is where they are asked, because they have the greatest chance of being answered.
The questions and uncertainty don't exist only because the forum exists. If anything, the forum exists because the questions exist.
So why have I never been confronted with said questions and uncertainty at any Evo races in the past 18yrs?
The race track is for racing. The forum is the place for talking, listening and thinking.
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http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Policies/MA_01_01_Electronic_Communications_and_Social_Media_Policy.pdf
MA now saying what you can and cannot say in public.
Joy.
No there not
If you read the preamble
This policy aims to provide some guiding principles to follow when using Electronic Communications and Social Media.
Relevant to
MA members, staff, officials, clubs, promoters, support people, coaches (see Scope).
Its a guideline for good professional presentation and conduct
All professional organisations have these policies
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Well 24 hrs in and the majority are of the mind that whats said on here is just forum talk and has no negative bearing on real world VMX.
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Mike 52 the funny thing is people keep putting up with MA teeling them what they can and cant say!!
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I repeat, virtually all organisations have similar policies to prevent cyber bullying which has become a big problem.
Why continue MA beating over something that is widely accepted as necessary.
Have you ever been restricted in what you say by MA? I f not, what is your problem?
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There will always be those who will accept the big brother / big stick mentality and those who will fight it . Col you mention bullying, bullying by individuals I learnt to deal with as most of us did as kids by fighting back ( a trend these days that is apparently discouraged ::) ).
Bullying and controlling by corporates and organisations directly and via its people through the chain is a little more difficult as you are battling not only the faceless corporate monster but those who choose to give in to its will and be the serfs of that organisation.
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On this forum especially around Anzac day there is as there should be respect shown to those who have fought for our right to free speech , yet some of those same people are very quick to try to censor/ gag anyone who dare speaks out against the machine .
2 of those have that would stifle free speech have shown their hand ( albeit anonymously ) in the poll, thankfully they are still a minority .
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Give me strength. Bill, you are not governed by, or having your free speech affected by MA in any way.
We have not asked you to fight for our civil rights. These arguments go from the ridiculous to the sublime. I'm out.
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Col i only asked for a copy of the MA policy witch someone else kindly put up for all to read . I have not made mention of it since , You were very quick to point out that it is a std document for most organisations , fair enough .
I was speaking generally about the corporate monster that trys to govern 99% of what individuals do today and of those who choose to yeild to it and those who choose to resist it.
Obviously MA have no control whatsoever about what i say or do in my motorcycling or any other factor of my life nor does MNZ as i choose not to subscribe to their organisations.
Sorry but im not sure who the WE is in your post and regardless i was not offering to fight for anyone elses rights civil or otherwise.
I was mearly expressing an opinion on a privatley owned public forum , as the majority in my poll have shown mine and anyone elses opinions on here have no detremental affect on real world VMX .
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Instead of " no its forum talk" . I think it should be "no its just hot air " . Ive watched these over the years , they are the same players on different themes . Some I agree with others I don't . Some of the themes piss me off but I know the posters and even though I disagree with what they have posted Im not going to wreck a friendship over something I class as trivial . Im not subservient but why get into a word bun fight over a few key strokes , Its like politics either you are or are not . I think Firko will forgive me for this ;D Mark and I share a passion for the early Yamahas but our political views are at the opposite ends so why even try , mark has his views and I have mine yet on bike related matters we share a passion . Iain
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This is all too hard, I'm out.
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After reading some of what has been written in posts related to this one ( can't be bothered reading them all), I find it hasn't changed my interest in riding vintage events at all.
My interest in the forum, well that's another matter
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To many Grumpy old men on the forum BJ , :o
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When people seek to stifle a discussion, its usually because the discussion isn't going the way they like.
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You're putting the cart before the horse there. The questions and the uncertainty exist in the real world - the forum is where they are asked, because they have the greatest chance of being answered.
The questions and uncertainty don't exist only because the forum exists. If anything, the forum exists because the questions exist.
+100, that's pretty much it in a nutshell. Its also how a democracy works, no? Opinion/question should not be limited or censored in any way, the minute we do that we are on a slippery slope, we just need to be respectful of ALL opinions and questions.
Kt.
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As the other threads have been closed, I'll use this one for an appeal.
Surely by now the oxygen has been sucked out of this debate, so let's do something indispuitedly good for our fellow man.
Get on the "Riders Against Depression " thread and use some of that time and energy for a good cause. Talk is cheap and there has been plenty of that.
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Ok blame JT and myself for this fiasco It doesn't bother either of us one bit. We and others know who did.
I will cop whatever the rules may be, always have , always will. What I am having a problem with is that in '05 '07 '11 '14 when there was a perfect opportunity to clear this up , the Commission chose to sit on their hands and do nothing.
With respect may I formally ask the Commissioner why?
( Simply saying there has never been a protest before is most likely that all EVO winners were on EVO legal bikes as I understand it. )
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Sorry Col but with respect to your cause please don't try to shut down threads I have started . I know you and your mates would like to gag free speech on here when it doesn't fit your mandate. This thread is purely an exercise in seeing if what you and a few others are quick to point out when it suits that what's said on this forum counts for nothing in the real world . As the poll is showing it seems that you are right but I will let it run a bit longer to give it a fair go .
This Forum is about discussion , debate and sharing knowledge , I cannot believe that some are so desperate to control the whole shebang they would actually stop free speech. Some joker referred to John Tate and Ted Brack as the Taliban of VMX , well i think the Taliban association weighs far heavier on the side of those who would silence those who dare ask the questions.
Perhaps its time for some of the lets call them "The club" to start their own forum where they can vet who they let in and then what they can and can't ask so as no nasty difficult questions are raised . The Stepford club has a nice ring to it :)
As for your cause I will make a donation to a men's blue charity this side of the Tasman as im sure that you believe to do so on your side would be inappropriate for Kiwis ;)
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There is already a couple of those forums Bill. Try Vinduro or Yamahait and see what happens if you say the wrong thing (as decided by the hierarchy)
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Didn't try to shut it down,never have, never will. Interesting that the other relevant threads have been shut down, either by the originator or the moderator. Does that not tell you something?
I also am expressing my right to free speech, and other than disagreeing with aspects of this discussion have not denied anyone their right to the same.
I do find it interesting that nearly all on this topic on this forum seeking change , clarification (call it what you will) and attacking volunteer officials, do not actually ride Evo bikes under the GCRs in question.
Contrary to that, most on this forum who seem generally ok with the status quo do actually ride Evo. This doesnt suggest stifling freedom of speech, but surely there comes a time when those who are directly affected by any outcome of this topic should be left to sort out their own affairs
Sorry to hammer the point, Evo over 90 bikes at Echo Valley, 25% more than Pre85 and 50% more than pre 90, Second only to Pre75 at the Qld titles with over 40 entries, no protests ever at a Nationals. Sounds healthy to me.
Thank you for the photo, and yes it was a great weekend. So sad that the gentleman who loaned me the bike left us so cruelly.
It makes the "Miles fr Mal" campagne very relevant doesn't it.
Thank for offering to donate to Beyond Blue, it's a worthy cause.
I'm going to excersise my right to freedom and sign off.
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This claim that if you don't race evo your opinion doesn't count is B.S.( does 211 race evo on a regular basis ?)
The rules need to be defined not only for the racer but also for the officials, who potentially have to deal with this on a race day.
I don,t race evo, but I am an level 2 official, and if someone protested a Bike that had major components from a later era bike they would win each time. I would apply the rules very different to 211, so where does that leave the rider?
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Didn't try to shut it down,never have, never will. Interesting that the other relevant threads have been shut down, either by the originator or the moderator. Does that not tell you something?
I also am expressing my right to free speech, and other than disagreeing with aspects of this discussion have not denied anyone their right to the same.
I do find it interesting that nearly all on this topic on this forum seeking change , clarification (call it what you will) and attacking volunteer officials, do not actually ride Evo bikes under the GCRs in question.
Contrary to that, most on this forum who seem generally ok with the status quo do actually ride Evo. This doesnt suggest stifling freedom of speech, but surely there comes a time when those who are directly affected by any outcome of this topic should be left to sort out their own affairs
Sorry to hammer the point, Evo over 90 bikes at Echo Valley, 25% more than Pre85 and 50% more than pre 90, Second only to Pre75 at the Qld titles with over 40 entries, no protests ever at a Nationals. Sounds healthy to me.
Thank you for the photo, and yes it was a great weekend. So sad that the gentleman who loaned me the bike left us so cruelly.
It makes the "Miles fr Mal" campagne very relevant doesn't it.
Thank for offering to donate to Beyond Blue, it's a worthy cause.
I'm going to excersise my right to freedom and sign off.
Col I still think you are missing the point of this thread , I used the eligibility debate as a lead in to this question as it was at the time the hot topic of debate .
This thread Poll is a general poll re the forum and its effect on real world VMX .
When in Australia I race other peoples bikes ( and OMG I actually have raced EVO in Australia even at a nats :o ) so I have no say on what the bike is built from , im just grateful for the kindness of the person lending me a bike .
I have my own views on your governing body and its representatives and when I want to share them I will both on here and at the track . I pay my licence fees ( one event licences in my case ) like anybody else and agree by doing so to play by the rules laid down by the issuer , but like any consumer I will give feedback good or bad .
Surely the measure of the poll is showing that forum talk is just that FORUM TALK :) I and im sure most other people on here have no intention of attacking anyone PERSONALY, Nathan summed that up well in a now locked thread , Spend a week in my job if I considered every threat I get at work to be personal I would have quit years ago ( and that's real world in your face threats not cyber talk ).
This is a privately owned and well moderated forum so why cant people let others have their say without taking it all personally , if you don't like it don't open it simple ::) start you own thread on torturing primates or something ::)
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Hope nobody takes offence but this thread Forum Scaremongering and its poll is a general thread about the impact of forum discussion on real world VMX .
I have opened another thread EVO Business to discuss EVO matters
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Bill your point is valid.
I voted yes but that is what democracy is all about. I voted yes because the carry on from the nationals, (re the Evo class) this year was wholly and solely from events that transpired on this forum. So if you need evidence then there it is.
I was only ever going to ride 2 classes at the nationals and I opted out of evo, not because I did not think my bike would pass but from all the backlash that was being caused form comments on here.
Good pole though.
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Ok blame JT and myself for this fiasco It doesn't bother either of us one bit. We and others know who did.
I will cop whatever the rules may be, always have , always will. What I am having a problem with is that in '05 '07 '11 '14 when there was a perfect opportunity to clear this up , the Commission chose to sit on their hands and do nothing.
With respect may I formally ask the Commissioner why?
( Simply saying there has never been a protest before is most likely that all EVO winners were on EVO legal bikes as I understand it. )
Ted,
I could ask the same question. Why didnt the riders ask or at least on one of the 25 occasions I have been the chief scruitineer at VMX events either post Classic or just Classis & pull me asside and tell me that there was a looming problem? I would have thought that at some stage every single machine in Australia that competes at a VMX event I would at some stage of the game checked for eligibility - the rider present only had to ask. Even a slight hint - but nothing.
DT
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This claim that if you don't race evo your opinion doesn't count is B.S.( does 211 race evo on a regular basis ?)
The rules need to be defined not only for the racer but also for the officials, who potentially have to deal with this on a race day.
I don,t race evo, but I am an level 2 official, and if someone protested a Bike that had major components from a later era bike they would win each time. I would apply the rules very different to 211, so where does that leave the rider?
Evo550
1/ yes I race Evo - since 1996 before it was in the GCRs, when Im not racing Im probably the starter (Crystal Brook was the last time, I was also the Chief scruitineer) Both those require a level 4
2/ Re you quote about protest. You would be in error and the rider loosing such a protest would have a right of appeal. So, all that said give me your take on what the later era bike comment means? I would apreciate the education of the aplication of the word Era to Evolution and how it applies. Connect the dots for me so I understand please.
DT
ps you know who I am - who are you?
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Bill your point is valid.
I voted yes but that is what democracy is all about. I voted yes because the carry on from the nationals, (re the Evo class) this year was wholly and solely from events that transpired on this forum. So if you need evidence then there it is.
I was only ever going to ride 2 classes at the nationals and I opted out of evo, not because I did not think my bike would pass but from all the backlash that was being caused form comments on here.
Good pole though.
Thanks for the feedback Shane :) you raise a very valid point . I stepped out of pre 78 125 at the Connondale nats ( to concentrate on other classes ) for much the same reason :)
I think that was the event where i saw you walk away from a crash on the big CR 500 that would have killed 2 ordinary men :o
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Ok blame JT and myself for this fiasco It doesn't bother either of us one bit. We and others know who did.
I will cop whatever the rules may be, always have , always will. What I am having a problem with is that in '05 '07 '11 '14 when there was a perfect opportunity to clear this up , the Commission chose to sit on their hands and do nothing.
With respect may I formally ask the Commissioner why?
( Simply saying there has never been a protest before is most likely that all EVO winners were on EVO legal bikes as I understand it. )
Ted,
I could ask the same question. Why didnt the riders ask or at least on one of the 25 occasions I have been the chief scruitineer at VMX events either post Classic or just Classis & pull me asside and tell me that there was a looming problem? I would have thought that at some stage every single machine in Australia that competes at a VMX event I would at some stage of the game checked for eligibility - the rider present only had to ask. Even a slight hint - but nothing.
DT
Ok I'll be courteous and answer your question.
I and I'll bet lots of others didn't ask you personally the question about Evo eligibility because up until just prior to this years Post Classic Nats you hadn't come out and said what your interpretation of the wording was. Plenty had prompted you to do so years ago, but no, nothing from you. With no clear and concise definition coming from the Commission, I / We thought the Evo eligibility rules were as WE understood. Now knowing what your interpretation is and always has been is the reason for my question.
You now have my answer, so now may I have yours.
Why did the Commission not clear this up when prompted years ago?
Regards
Ted Brack
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Ted
doing my best, it just hadnt come to me or anyone else that I come across - honestly, Ive never been asked however Ive been asked 100s possibly 1000s of other questions on varoius matters directly and through the Commission process.
If the matter had been raised with me I would have had a chance to offer advice. Its as simple as that. But remember on the occasions I have offered advice there are quite a few examples where Ive been smashed by those who only see one side of the arguement or the other. This isnt the only occasion why the forum has kicked the shit out of me.
I guess at the end of the day, hand on the heart, thats what it boils down to.
You have to see it from my side - consider all the nationals both DT and MX i have been the scruitineer and all 1000s of bikes. Not once has anyone asked what I have seen out there and just what pecentage of the bikes fit the proposed new requirements and what dont - not once.
Too many wanting to play the man rather than the issue.
DT
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Thanks David, I respect your answer. Thank you.
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Do you want me to start trawling for threads where it is abundantly clear that nobody had a freaking clue about your interpretation of the Evo rules?
Playing dumb (Essentially: "oh gosh, there is a problem with the Evo rules?! Why didn't anyone tell me before?") is beyond insulting.
It may seem like a way out of the hole you've been digging for the last 9+ years, but if you succeed in convincing us that you genuinely were ignorant, then you'll also succeed in convincing us that you are incompetent. It's a shitty position for you to be in, but you've spent nearly a decade putting yourself there, so you'll forgive my lack of sympathy.
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Dave it is a pity that you should feel like you have had the shit kicked out of you,
Just like any sport the ref should be above reproach if there is an appeals process in place
As a promoter of almost all forms of motorcycle races I well and truly know No Officials No Racing
Good Luck GB
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Nathan, One question please. Have you ever written to David as a concerned member of MA about the rules of the Evo class? Not on this forum an actual written letter addressed to the commissioner?
Bill, arr yes the 09 crash I still DON'T remember that one ??? :-X
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Thanks Shane, that goes to the heart of it. The forum is not a courtroom where people are on trial. By all means thrash out the issues and then use the appropriate channels. If you have a problem with the commission or MA or a club; take it up with them. Thats not the role of this forym.
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Shane, if the chair of the commission knew there was a problem - as he surely did - then demanding official correspondence is simply hiding behind a technicality. If you want to pretend everything is rosy, you can do that.
If you want to improve the sport, then you address problems as you become aware of them.
Same goes for the RM-B swingarm.
So the answer to your question is "No, I didn't send a letter because the appropriate person was well aware of the concerns raised".
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FFS, give it a rest!!!!
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FFS, give it a rest!!!!
:)
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People with Asperger syndrome become over-focused or obsessed on a single object or topic, ignoring all others. They want to know everything about this topic, and often talk about little else.
• Children with Asperger syndrome will present many facts about their subject of interest, but there will seem to be no point or conclusion.
• They often do not recognize that the other person has lost interest in the topic.
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Virtually everyone descended from my maternal grandfather scores just outside the "go and see a doctor" range on the Aspergers test.
This is not news, nor do I find it insulting - I am well aware of my own personality defects. ;)
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F#$6 me dead,,, so Iam a Maico retard :o :o :o and loving it 8)
A great # of leading Scientific minds, Musicians, Mathematicians etc etc, are accredited with Asperger syndrome,
It is the ability to single minded focus that makes them shine above your average Dumb k*&T.
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Maico lovers aren't retarded it is everyone else who is out of step. :) ;) :D ;D :o 8) ::) :P
Sorry Bill I changed the subject.
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Mates daughter has aspergers syndrome, she is also 100 times more intelligent than some people on here!
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I too know people with aspergers and they are totally switched on. I don't think the post was questioning the intelligence of people with aspergers but pointing out their symptoms.
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This thread, along with a few others is why people leave this forum.
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+1 :-\
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Im sorry i dont buy into the old this thread is why people leave the forum perspective .
If that is the case then that says more about those that leave than those who post .
I dont ever deliberatley watch TV news , if i read a news paper i flick past the sensationalised headlines and seek the items of news that are of interest to me . I dont not pick up a newspaper because some of its content i dont like .
I never ever pick up a bible as i have no interest in its content , but i read many other books that interest me .
If i am out socialising and i find myself in a group of people discussing somthing i dont want to hear i excuse myself or avoid that particular group while they discuss that topic . I dont avoid those people for ever and will engage in conversation with one or more of them when they are discussing a topic i want to hear or engage in .
I can drive past a road accident without having to rubberneck
I can hear a loud bang in the street and ignore it
I ignore car alarms
There are many many other topics on this forum and if theres not enough or the contents not upto your std then start one that is .
Bottom line if you dont like it dont open it ::)
Seems simple to me ??? i dont think i have ever been into the trials page on here as i have no interest in it .
It seems that to some its like a car crash they dont like what they see but they have to keep going back for a look and then make their own petty judgements of the drivers posters
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Exactly. I used to subscribe to a magazine. I didn't like the way the content was going. Did I make comment on it. No. I just didn't buy it anymore.
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Exactly. I used to subscribe to a magazine. I didn't like the way the content was going. Did I make comment on it. No. I just didn't buy it anymore.
Exactly Ted when people don't like something, they don't necessarily say so they just stop doing it. In the mid to late eighties when SX started to take over and SX obstacles started being used in MX tracks the rider numbers dropped dramatically. They didn't pick up again until track guidelines took must of the obstacles out.
Yes we need freedom of speech but sometimes a matter just gets flogged to death.
Kevin
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Exactly. I used to subscribe to a magazine. I didn't like the way the content was going. Did I make comment on it. No. I just didn't buy it anymore.
Exactly Ted when people don't like something, they don't necessarily say so they just stop doing it. In the mid to late eighties when SX started to take over and SX obstacles started being used in MX tracks the rider numbers dropped dramatically. They didn't pick up again until track guidelines took must of the obstacles out.
Yes we need freedom of speech but sometimes a matter just gets flogged to death.
Kevin
Good point Kev :)
But as far as a forum goes too many people cant stay away from somthing that apparantly pisses them off.
The same people find the energy to keep coming back to the afformentioned item that alledgedly pisses them off and even find the time to type up a reply sharing their distaste with the world at large ::)
Surley these people could instead of reading somthing they dont like over and over and over and then typing up a negative response could use their limited imagination to think of a topic that is going to grab the VMX worlds attention and start their own thread :o
No thats to easy , much better to keep stabbing yourself in the eye and then blame others because it hurts ;D
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OH Bill
That's a little extreme
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Spot on bill, the blame game does not fix the issue at hand. At the end of the day I hope all can enjoy a beer/ water/ soft drink/wine around a fire and in joy racing their mates at this great sport we are so lucky to have.
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Thanks Foxy :)
Shoey sorry mate i just get frustrated when people blame forum content for problems percieved or real .
As Foxy says off line in the real world 99% of the people on here would get on like a house on fire due to a shared love of old bikes .
How many times have so many of us been together and done just that :)
I stand by what i say (except the bit about limited imagination ) and would ask anyone who doesn't like whats written not to read it .
I personally dont like the monthly bills and traffic infringements etc that come in my mailbox , but i dont blame the postman or think about moving house to stop it ;).
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Moving house will slow it down for a while though ;D
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Totally agree with what you said Bill. I don't understand people's need to say what can and can't be said on a forum. Unless it gets nasty which I don't see that it really has, let it run it's course. If Nathan thinks he hasn't recieved an answer to some question he asks, let him ask a few more times.
The 4 threads which have been locked have had 8500 views in 8 days. Seems to me that it is of high interest to lots of members.
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Anyone out there disillusioned with this monotonous bullshit?
Come across to Classic Dirttrack while you still have an ounce of enthusiasm left for your old bikes.
You won't be disappointed.
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Don and I hope to come to the Nepean charity DT. Could use some respite
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Thanks guys for your input ::) i might come and watch the dirt track , have no interest in it whatsoever but i can sit in the stand telling everyone how MONOTONOUS it is to me , and then write a piece on here so other people with no interest can comment on it and tell the world how shit they think it is .
Of course a dirt track fan may ask me to stay away if all i can do is offer negative comments, but that would require an ounce of common courtesy ::)
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You turn up at dirt track and bag it out Bill, and you'll be banned so fast! We'll have you personally escorted from the track by some burly sidecar pilots.
I don't think anyone is trying to control what people say on here, its more that they would rather the tone is kept to a suitable level. 4 (or was it 5) threads about Evo rules just clogs things up. I accept it was a valid issue, but a lot of folk would rather read about more interesting things. My biggest concern is more to do with the level of personal criticism that arises.
Personally I don't care because it IS just a forum, but I know some people get bent out of shape over what's said, and of course people's professional reputations can be damaged (and rightfully so, some might say). But I have to take some responsibility for what is said on here as there ARE legal conditions we should all be aware of.
Of course, I also don't really want the forum to be a vehicle for vendettas or harassment, like I said let's keep it civil and fun. What I DO want is for the forum to be a melting pot of ideas, opinions, info and feel good stuff.
And luckily, Bill, your poll shows us that at least most people do take what's said on here with a sense of perspective. That's a good thing.
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now the 70's short circut was anything but monotomous big grids great tracks massive days sliders and chookies in the mix jawa's japs weslakes big bore chookies on methanol take the first corner of a good mx meeting shoulder to shoulder exchanging rubber and paint and hold that thought for 4 laps, lack of oxygen from holding your breath far too long and very tight sphincter 's (ie throat , anus and sometimes the whole body including the eyes , all forms of sphincters)
A sphincter is an anatomical structure, a circular muscle that normally maintains constriction of a natural body passage or orifice and which relaxes as required by normal physiological functioning. Sphincters are found in many animals; there are over 50 types in the human body, some microscopically small, in particular the millions of precapillary sphincters.[1]
if there is any one thing i miss about the 70's is full leathers, a steel shoe, great wide tracks and at the end of the day the presentations usually at a bowling club or the like , thinking how th ffaaaaaa.... k did i survive that whilst stuffing a cold beer into your face
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04854XqcfCY&feature=kp
rm125 S rm370B pursang 370 hagon suzuki elstar jawa yz400 E avon mudpluggers, barums drums of Shell A and M pit tootsies what more could a boy want ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 8)
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now the 70's short circut was anything but monotomous big grids great tracks massive days sliders and chookies in the mix jawa's japs weslakes big bore chookies on methanol take the first corner of a good mx meeting shoulder to shoulder exchanging rubber and paint and hold that thought for 4 laps, lack of oxygen from holding your breath far too long and very tight sphincter 's (ie throat , anus and sometimes the whole body including the eyes , all forms of sphincters)
A sphincter is an anatomical structure, a circular muscle that normally maintains constriction of a natural body passage or orifice and which relaxes as required by normal physiological functioning. Sphincters are found in many animals; there are over 50 types in the human body, some microscopically small, in particular the millions of precapillary sphincters.[1]
if there is any one thing i miss about the 70's is full leathers, a steel shoe, great wide tracks and at the end of the day the presentations usually at a bowling club or the like , thinking how th ffaaaaaa.... k did i survive that whilst stuffing a cold beer into your face
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04854XqcfCY&feature=kp
rm125 S rm370B pursang 370 hagon suzuki elstar jawa yz400 E avon mudpluggers, barums drums of Shell A and M pit tootsies what more could a boy want ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 8)
[/there you go thats a bit of karma as i was posting this passion i mean post i looked up and next to my avatar was the number 97th post that i have made funny that as this was my acu number through the 70's spooky aye i think will go back to the shed now and sit on the godden and listen to the radio , cheers quote]
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My dog is a cheeky bugger, would do anything I ask of him as long as I have his attention. Spaniels are like that.
He does have a bad habit of Dumping on the bloody footpath.
if I let him he would have canine land mines all over the bloody thing and you couldn't walk anywhere and someone would go arse up and knowing my luck id get a law suit out of it.. he knows to go in the garden but keeps at it till I get grumpy at him and don't let him sleep on the end of the bed.
Still love my dog and maybe he will understand there is a place for everything and not just when Im looking.
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Faaark, Branchy, I was reading your post and I could smell the methanol, Nitro and burnt rubber from the concrete starting grid, battling the Maico boys at, say, Griffith, WAS a sphincter tightening experience !! Pulling up to the start with a grid full of other JAPs and Jawas, add a few big smokers, knowing ya had only 90 seconds or so to do the business, YEAH, Way to go !!
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With all due respect William Doe, DT also has EVO classes.
My momotonuous comment was aimed at the general discussion ( argueing ) going round and round and nothing to do with my dislike of MX, which doesn't exist by the way.
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Ok fair enough , for what its worth I like dirt track and find it anything but monotonous , im a motorcycle racing fan ;D
I was making a point that seemed to be missed by my comments preceding yours that if you don't like the content of a thread stay out of it ( even if you are trying to divert atten to an up coming event .
Good luck at the DT im sure it will be a great event :)
This thread has probably run its course as its drifting further off track ,and the Poll is pretty much showing a 50/50 split of opinion .
I will lock it now and thank you to everyone who participated in the poll .
Bill