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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: smed on June 20, 2014, 08:15:16 pm
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What does your local bike shop charge per hour? My local is $88, Is that about right?
Is there an industry standard or do they just go on what they reckon is a fair thing I wonder :-\
I don't begrudge them charging whatever the price is with all the overheads that most businesses have to contend with ;)
I owned a bike shop 10 years ago & we were charging $44,Which was about what the other shops in town were charging, things have gone up a fair bit in that time so I guess it's on the money :-\
Any bike mechanics on here? What's the current average pay rate? :)
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Only a fortnight ago we put our labour rate up from $88 to $99ph and RWC's from $110-$140, we are Honda/Suzuki dealership and are not dictated to by anyone in regards to what price can be charged for workshop labour. It was actually a long time coming as we were the cheapest in the area and, most had put rates up to $99ph twelve months ago and some are as high as $125ph. Luckily we have a highly experienced (50+y/o) mechanic who has a superb reputation inside the industry and with clients, most have said since the price hike that it would have to be a lot dearer that before they'd consider having anyone else work on their machine/s. I guess we're lucky in that regard. Oh and in answer to your last question a very good mechanic these days will be earning not a whole heap less per hour than the retail rate you were charging back then!! :) And as you'd know a great mechanic is worth his weight in gold, probably even a bit more if he's a lil fella! ;D
Cheers, Brendan
PS. Chris its lucky for employees that we only pay that rate of 10 years ago you mentioned when they're spinning spanners on my own bikes ;D ;)
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its a big jump to get to Thailand.....
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Top equipped workshops in Thailand charge $12.50 per hour for the same work , that is a big gap ....................
So's the quality of life between first and third world countries, Never has a more irrelevant comparison been made ;D Would you suggest everybody starts sending their shock work to Thai shops? Probably still be miles cheaper than post to and from SA plus Aus labour rates....Be careful what you wish for ;)
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Top equipped workshops in Thailand charge $12.50 per hour for the same work , that is a big gap ....................
So's the quality of life between first and third world countries, Never has a more irrelevant comparison been made ;D Would you suggest everybody starts sending their shock work to Thai shops? Probably still be miles cheaper than post to and from SA plus Aus labour rates....Be careful what you wish for ;)
Lets look at your post in 5 years again .
Forever the optimist, keep stocking up the supplies in that bunker mate ;D
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this post is why I do all my own servicing... my car man is 48 bucks and hour and he is good...$100 bucks and hr... :o
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this post is why I do all my own servicing... my car man is 48 bucks and hour and he is good...$100 bucks and hr... :o
That all depends on what someone achieves in an hour i guess, im constantly surprised at the amount of work done to a bike with just 45min, 90min etc allocated to it. All depends on the operator ;)
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all stocked mate,water stored , food growing , ammo plenty, springs and shocks galore. Thinking positive Brendan ;D And the beer is 12 degrees all year , summer and winter. ;)
When taking shelter in a bunker, if the need for ammo arises, one would have to seriously consider if they made the entry point a little too conspicuous :o Unless of course it's simply in case you're down there for long enough to dry up all supplies and the waiting game gets a bit much ;D Anyhow, good luck with all that, when the apocalypse comes i'll be staring at it head on the same way i deal with the rest of life's problems :)
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this post is why I do all my own servicing... my car man is 48 bucks and hour and he is good...$100 bucks and hr... :o
So are car mechanics generally cheaper rates than bikes ya reckon?
It's a way bigger market I guess,supply & demand & competition keeping the rates lower :-\ just about every household has at least 1 car,There ain't a bike in every one though ;)
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base adult wage in the Philippines are manila $13 Cebu 2nd largest mass of people $8 for a 10hr day,1lt of uleaded is $1.30 diesel $1.15, rice $1 per kilo.most ive us have better 10 by 10 garden sheds then most here have houses!me myself will never complain as we are sooo lucky to be born in aussie and have support systems in place for when things arnt going to good in life yet the Filipinos have a rich culture and respect for one other and especially the old which is something that lacks in aussie right now
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good summary...
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yep TT - over in this part of the world - Laos - I am amazed how "happy" the guys are with so little - different attitude to western one.
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Bike shops $100+ per hour, no wonder KTM 2 strokes you and I can work on are every where
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My shop is at $88 an hour, which after overheads & the costs of just "being in business" leaves an average living. First & foremost, I'm damn good at what I do and have no qualms charging accordingly. Sounds high to the guy off the street, but the cost of government compliance is the killer for anyone in small business. It seems you need a license or permit just to have a piss in your own dunny these days. And then we're unpaid tax collectors (god help anyone who get's that wrong) & the keepers of the general community. Don't forget that shop owner is paying someone's, super annuation, holidays, sick leave & whatever else. Chuck in the stress of being "politically correct" & under scrutiny all the time or else! You only have to look at an employee the wrong way & you can be in for a torrid ride with the authority's. You can 'fix" engine in your back yard & if it forks up, you get to tell your "client to go jump. If I fix an engine & it forks up & don't do the right thing I get do deal with legal aid, lawyers & all sorts of ombudsmen. I think anyone who wants some work done should be thankful that they can find a legitimate shop to do it.
Apparently the guy hanging on to the traffic stick where there are road works is on about $40 an hour or so with no overheads or compliance payment, or ramifications for anything. Maybe I should do that.
K
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Well here in the bowels of inner Sydney it's $105 an hour.
Yes I know most of you have nearly chocked on your cornies or now have your coffee spouting from your nasal cavities.
But alas it's true this is what my neighbours pay to get there bikes serviced.
Oh and of course there's always additional's & unforeseens to add on.
Then workshop miscellaneous & EPA charges. Yes they charge to dispose of the oil even though it cost them nothing.
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Interesting those big gaps . There are people picking fruit for $18 and my IT guy wants $300 per hour tweaking the website from his city office . Something is not right anymore .
And he's probably sitting in his loungeroom, one hand clicking the buttons for your $300 and stroking the old fella with the other!! This indeed is a scale well out of balance with reality.... :-\
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if the IT guy is on 300 per hour he could have a hot call girl doing the stroking for him or better whilst hes tweaking Walters web site and proberly workout a way of claiming her "services" on his tax return! yeah those guys and lawyers sure know how to rip your ears off when you need them ;) ;D
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if the IT guy is on 300 per hour he could have a hot call girl doing the stroking for him or better whilst hes tweaking Walters web site and proberly workout a way of claiming her "services" on his tax return! yeah those guys and lawyers sure know how to rip your ears off when you need them ;) ;D
Speaking of claiming hookers, how did that knob Craig Thompson get on. Is he in jail yet?
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Just found it. He gets 12 months with 9 months suspended. Appeals the 3 months and is on bail awaiting appeal. He'll get off. Arsehole.
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well that's coz those good old boys piss in the same pot ;D
Walter ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Having been on both sides of the workshop anything around $100 per hour is reasonable.
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lets see you do that with a gsx 1100 ;D
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we charge 105 per hour, in most bike shops the workshop is the money making part of the shop. floorplan takes most of the money that you would make when selling new bikes, some times we lose money selling them , buying things on line has realy hurt bike shops parts , clothes ect are so much cheaper in the usa than here so that part of the shops income is down as well , how to make one millon dollars in bike shops ? start with two millon
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apologies I was trying to indicate the latest greatest roadbikes being either r1's, gsxr ducati's etc. they are pretty complex and I can see $$ required to train up mr mcHanics to deal with them.
as Big K says its the oncosts that kill you.....
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My shop is at $88 an hour, which after overheads & the costs of just "being in business" leaves an average living. First & foremost, I'm damn good at what I do and have no qualms charging accordingly. Sounds high to the guy off the street, but the cost of government compliance is the killer for anyone in small business. It seems you need a license or permit just to have a piss in your own dunny these days. And then we're unpaid tax collectors (god help anyone who get's that wrong) & the keepers of the general community. Don't forget that shop owner is paying someone's, super annuation, holidays, sick leave & whatever else. Chuck in the stress of being "politically correct" & under scrutiny all the time or else! You only have to look at an employee the wrong way & you can be in for a torrid ride with the authority's. You can 'fix" engine in your back yard & if it forks up, you get to tell your "client to go jump. If I fix an engine & it forks up & don't do the right thing I get do deal with legal aid, lawyers & all sorts of ombudsmen. I think anyone who wants some work done should be thankful that they can find a legitimate shop to do it.
Apparently the guy hanging on to the traffic stick where there are road works is on about $40 an hour or so with no overheads or compliance payment, or ramifications for anything. Maybe I should do that.
K
Living the Australian dream :)
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yep TT - over in this part of the world - Laos - I am amazed how "happy" the guys are with so little - different attitude to western one.
Refer Mazlo, "Hierachy of needs".
Shelter, food, sex, When its a major battle to get these, nothing else is desired.
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The last time I was involved in the ratrace, overheads for tradesmen was 120% then there's provisional tax, then there's this fee, that fee then some bloody thing else and f all left!
pancho.
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buying things on line has realy hurt bike shops
Yep, It is a double edged sword that one,we can source rare parts from anywhere in the world now with just the click of a button,in times gone by it was high priced phone calls in the middle of the night,the language barrier,messy bank transfers etc,I try to buy my bread & butter parts from my local shops & only go out of town when they cannot supply what I need,I don't think the average consumer understands this though :-\,they will get it when the local is not there any more ;)
It's started allready,I recently tried to buy muffler packing wool & 5wt fork oil, I consider them to be basic consumables, both shops in town had neither in stock,I'm not blaming the shops,they are both doing it tough & probably not selling many accessory's so why would they bother :-\
The bike industry is a pretty tough gig,so please support your local if you can :)
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I like to buy locally and we are lucky to have a couple of good bike shops here that sell some of the things that owners of old bikes want.
Yesterday when I wanted a new front sprocket for my TY250, I got a JT sprocket over the counter for $10 which was list price. I challenge any retail customer to get one of those into their hot little hand for less $$ than that
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A mate is touring India (why???) about ten weeks ago* had the the complete top end (ie barrel. piston rings gaskets,and head and valves etc.. Tata brand knock offs) replaced on the Honda horror Hero he's riding . Also had a new rear tyre and front brake master cylinder fitted. The work was done in a not so classy ::) area of Mumbai. Total Cost approx converted to AUD $84.50.... But because he offered to pay with US or Aussie dollars instead of Rupee. $75.... yep that's new parts and the labour. We got no hope.
* Last contact two days ago the Honda Hero pus box had not missed a beat since, even on the sub continents shit fuel.
Oh and the owner of the bike shop let him sleep and eat in a back room of the workshop/shanty till the work was completed for nothing.
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I am not to worried what there hourly rate is, what I don't like is when they tell you it took 4.5 hours to do the job and then I speak to 2 different interstate bike mechanic friends who tell me the work I had on my road bike would take 2 hours tops >:(
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I am not to worried what there hourly rate is, what I don't like is when they tell you it took 4.5 hours to do the job and then I speak to 2 different interstate bike mechanic friends who tell me the work I had on my road bike would take 2 hours tops >:(
I'm with you on this.Here in Bendigo there are two bike shops I won't do business with. Over priced and crap work. I buy a lot of stuff from the USA and get any repairs done over there. Parts for my brand of bike are readily available over there and the labour costs are far cheaper. Seems a lot of shops only want to work on newer bikes.
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I am not to worried what there hourly rate is, what I don't like is when they tell you it took 4.5 hours to do the job and then I speak to 2 different interstate bike mechanic friends who tell me the work I had on my road bike would take 2 hours tops >:(
Most bike shops always bill you for more Hrs than the Job actualy took had a mate with a repair buisiness he recond his mechanic's
worked 10 to 12 hrs a day on paper..
Going by the Prices that People tell me they paid for a top end rebuild :o :o
The Stig
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I'll weigh into this a little as well. I work for a dealership, car not bike, labour rate is $137.50 and all techs are earning at least 50k a year PLUS super and plus a monthly bonus if we get through enough work, a sort of production commission I guess. Local bikes shops are pretty much all charging $105 and hour for last year or so. Local bike shop tech earns $45k and is a mate of mine, he reckons he is worth more, I regularly offer him a job but he says no, loves bikes, thinks car dealership mechanics are dipshits and continues to whinge at his employer for more money! I am more than happy to pay the bike shop to do stuff for me if I "have no time, am too lazy, have too much to do etc etc". Me, I ran and owned several car repair shops for 20 plus years and am a qualified mechanic for last 35 years, thankfully I am no longer on the tools, I do understand the costs involved, they are big....our current workshop electricity bill is EIGHT THOUSAND A QUARTER, phone bill is the same, rent is just under $2k a WEEK and is cheap for where we are, workers comp is roughly 10k A MONTH !!!! its not hard to see why the hourly rate is so high, wages are the biggy, another example...our foreman/workshop controller 70k a year plus super, plus a free car changed over every six months/10000kilos plus commission plus plus plus! (AND the foreman/controller gets rental assistance, tax discounts from govt.!!!) All on a standard 38 hour paid week where we are all doing about 45 hours! Again, I don't own the place, but I DO help run it!
I figure if 2 hours is quoted and we can do it in an hour and a half because a particular tech is good enough, provided the work is done correctly, its our good fortune, it would not be too smart to simply just charge less, we live in a capitalist system no? An example on a clutch replacement, 6.4hrs is standard quoted book time, our fastest guy can do it in around the 4 hour mark with no mistakes, we still charge the 6.4hrs. Price is ALWAYS quoted up front and we stand by our estimates and workmanship, its good business and this particular place has been going strong for 40 years now.
As far are regularly buying and spending over seas, I generally try and buy it here, after all HOW MUCH DO EACH OF US EARN? If we spend enough over the water eventually the guys we are not spending with will not be spending with us and of course the end result is we all go to the wall? For example, in process of rebuilding an RM 99% I have bought local and dollar for dollar it more or less the same price, the Suzuki bloke loves me, his boss has bought a car from us, everybody happy!
What a great country!
Kt.
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I am a qualified mechanic and worked as one on and off for 20 yrs. A lot of comments in this thread are the reason i will never pick up a spanner for payment again ::)
The difference between charge out rates and what mechanics are paid is probably about right when you consider all overheads , but obviously the charge out rate is far to low as $45/60 K a year as has been quoted on here is bullshit for a qualifed technician ( no wonder so many get out of the trade disolusioned ) .
The only place i got a fair go ( wages wise ) was in the UK where in dealerships we were paid the Hrs we sold ( book time) rather than the hrs we worked, and we could have worked 24/7 if we wanted due to the workload . If you had a come back that was on you so quality wasn't compromised.
If you were any good and could work fast you made good money.
No matter how good or how honest you are everybodys got a mate who is a technician ( usually a tyre fitter or exhaust fitter ::) ) who will tell them they would do the job in half the time at a quarter of the price ::) and the punter will alway believe what they want to hear ;)
Every kid i hear say they want to get into the motor trade i do all i can to talk them out of it , great hobby , shit profession as the general public will always treat you as a crook or a kunt .
Get into IT where you can charge what you want and enjoy working on your own cars / bikes at home or pay one of those kunts in overalls to do it for you while you think of ways to spend all that extra money you have made from working in IT .
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I wonder what the mechanics actually get paid per hour by there employer. J
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IT..??? my brother in law is in IT and they are shifting to the USA, IT programmers and techs...12 - 15 bucks and hour!!! no reason to stay here
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I wonder what the mechanics actually get paid per hour by there employer. J
most get $24 per hr.
Like the man said do the trade, use the knowledge for fun and do something else for more money and no stress.
Trouble is most blokes in my experience start the trade 'cos they're petrol heads and they don't care what pay they get until there about twenty eight and then its to late to winge because the customers don't respect the trade as being as complex as it is.
Computers, hydraulics, basic electrics, engineering concepts, legal design requirements, wheel align technollegy more computers than aeroplanes, pollution control maintenance the list goes on. Then there is standard times requirements to deal with.
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I ditched the "HOURLY RATE" 5 YEARS AGO . everything is now fixed price or as quoted. hourly rate for costing jobs is a outdated last century thing., the price is what the job is worth.
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If you are worried about what a mechanic charges you'd be mortified to know what a surgeon gets.
But I suppose you could always buy a cheap heart or liver off EBay and you and your mate could fit it in your shed one Saturday arvo just like a car part to save a few bucks.
Are mechanical services expensive. I don't think so.
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Be a few bloke's lookin' for cheap liver transplants after CD ! could be an opening for anyone wanting to diversify - plenty of info on google to kick the practice off ;D
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I ditched the "HOURLY RATE" 5 YEARS AGO . everything is now fixed price or as quoted. hourly rate for costing jobs is a outdated last century thing., the price is what the job is worth.
From a customer's perspective, this is what I prefer. I hate surprises.
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I ditched the "HOURLY RATE" 5 YEARS AGO . everything is now fixed price or as quoted. hourly rate for costing jobs is a outdated last century thing., the price is what the job is worth.
Intersting, So how do you work out what a job is worth? What happens if something out of you or the customer's control goes wrong like a stubborn fastener snaps or something like that & the job goes to shit & takes heaps longer than Quoted or fixed price? I'm not having a crack at you,Your system obviously works for you & your customers, just curios what happens in that scenario :)
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Most bike shops always bill you for more Hrs than the Job actualy took
The Stig
I must have been too bloody honest Stiggy when I had my bike shop,never done that,maybe that's why I ain't rich ;D ;D
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We don't charge an hourly rate never have in the last 37 years some jobs can and do take longer but it all works out in the long run.
We repair truck diffs and gearboxes so there isn't allot of difference between all the American makes different story with the euro crap.
we have a fixed price for R&R and a fixed price for the labor depending on what it is diff or a gearbox and the size of them .
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I ditched the "HOURLY RATE" 5 YEARS AGO . everything is now fixed price or as quoted. hourly rate for costing jobs is a outdated last century thing., the price is what the job is worth.
Intersting, So how do you work out what a job is worth? What happens if something out of you or the customer's control goes wrong like a stubborn fastener snaps or something like that & the job goes to shit & takes heaps longer than Quoted or fixed price? I'm not having a crack at you,Your system obviously works for you & your customers, just curios what happens in that scenario :)
I use an hourly rate as a 'guideline' for pricing a job. As Smed points out any work on old bikes (i.e; neglected and handled with years of intercourse fingers) WILL run into issues that aren't necessarily a part of the original job but still have to be sorted before you can actually start. Like having to remove a seized rear axle to get a wheel out for a puncture repair. It can be hard to explain to a customer that it took 2hrs to get the wheel out let alone the puncture repair! In these situations I have to wing it on any additional labour charge and just go for what would be reasonable. Generally most people understand, particularly if you show them any shrapnel, mangled tools and bloody knuckles. This is another reason that many shops won't work on old bikes - they don't want the aggravation and angst with the customer claiming that they are being ripped a new one. Funnily enough the people who bleat the loudest are the ones who deny having been the last one to have attempted what they are asking you to save for them.
So, no quotes are given on labour (yes on expected parts required) so its an estimate only. I've found that if a prospective customer is adamant about a quote then they probably know something about their bike that I don't which will only lead to tears later - so I generally will just say that unfortunately I'm too busy for their job but thank you for the opportunity!
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Workshop rule #1 If the customer starts the conversation with , I normaly do this job myself BUT double the quote stright away ;)
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through my job I probably spend between $1 and $2M per year on contract labour - for me the fixed price option is always better. If the job goes over we work to fix that, if the job goes under we discuss that but usually do not begrudge the contractor - however the rates charged for even "basic" labour are quite high so I expect return on my money.
I think my local engineering shop (in Perth) is expensive, I rationalise what I take to him because of that - don't argue his prices with him - but more than once he has found one of "those" problems on my bike which he has fixed but cannot justify the hours taken and charges me for the job rather than the hours - that is why I keep going back?
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Fixed price repairs are o k on new or near new bikes where every thing
is good condition and nothing should be seized or rusted in .
I think Canam 's idear is the better approach to fair trade look at the
job then factor in Ifs and buts before commencement that way there is
room for give and take on the Final charge..
The Stig
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Working on old bikes isn't the smartest buisness model.
There are so many little extra things that go wrong. I can see why some bigger shop refuse to work on old models. Plus most people who love old bikes also love a bargin and we think everything is too expensive.
How many times have you gone out to the shed to do a 10 min job and been there 2 hours later still on the same job? Try telling a customer yeah we just replaced the spark plug But the the thread was buggerd so we had put in a insert and take the head off to do it correctly then the coil wire broke and we had to rejoin that etc and then charge him $100 for changing a plug. ;D
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Having the benefit of 30 yrs of face to face customer service if you strike problems you stop work and inform the customer straight away. Do not continue until you get the go ahead from the customer. Nobody likes being stung with a big bill for a simple job no matter how pear shaped the job goes. Had that happen many times where the customer is paying an hourly rate, taken the time to show and explain what's going on and never had any issues.
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Having the benefit of 30 yrs of face to face customer service if you strike problems you stop work and inform the customer straight away. Do not continue until you get the go ahead from the customer. Nobody likes being stung with a big bill for a simple job no matter how pear shaped the job goes. Had that happen many times where the customer is paying an hourly rate, taken the time to show and explain what's going on and never had any issues.
As a customer it works for me :)
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I ditched the "HOURLY RATE" 5 YEARS AGO . everything is now fixed price or as quoted. hourly rate for costing jobs is a outdated last century thing., the price is what the job is worth.
Intersting, So how do you work out what a job is worth? What happens if something out of you or the customer's control goes wrong like a stubborn fastener snaps or something like that & the job goes to shit & takes heaps longer than Quoted or fixed price? I'm not having a crack at you,Your system obviously works for you & your customers, just curios what happens in that scenario :)
if you know your business well enough you will know that there will be a time ,and it should be very very seldom, you will have to go over. there are two options here , either suck it up as you should have worked out by now that every other job has paid for it many times over. or stop and ring the client and explain it is outside of the work quoted . depends on what it is and how good the customer is to you!!. I repair automotive electronics and if you put a hourly rate on most items I fix it would work out around 300-500 per hour. so the meat is already cut for me. You dont have to have this large a margin to realize alot more money from your client than by having a hourly rate.
The price of a job is what is the value of what you do . ie if a new replacement is $1000 then most people would happily pay 500 - 700 for the same thing so if I spend 10 minutes and charge $250 Im still the good guy.
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I often get called out to unlock vehicles for people, I charge a minimum of $150.00 (depending on vehicle type , mood im in and if I like the look of the people ) up front in cash , AND I ALWAYS ADVISE MINIMUM COST AND CONDITIONS ON THE PHONE BEFORE LEAVING TO DO THE JOB
I can generally access a vehicle in under a minute and then the whining starts ::) it only took you XYZ seconds and its $150 + blah blah blah ::)
My std response is " if its so easy WTF did you call me then " You lost or locked the keys in there NOT ME ;)
You just cant help some people ::)
Another favourite is people who crash their vehicles and are uninsured ::) They always want a discount , I point out to them that they are already getting a discount as they are only being charged what I would charge the insurance companies , therefore they are getting a corporate rate .
It usually ends with them whining and bitching and me explaining that they choose to gamble by not insuring , I neither endorse or condone gambling to me its like smoking, doing narcotics , homosexuality , or voting National , lifestyle choices that I choose not to indulge it but each to their own, but sometimes it will bite you in the arse .
Cash only thanks ;D
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How about 'Diagnosis"
Very interesting sometimes, not necesarilly the actual problem but diagnosing or decyphering the customers complaint.
E.G. The apprentice asked the customer 'whats the problem with your car'
Indian customer says "The self won't work"
My son the apprentice came over to me and whispered 'whats this bloke on about'
I said 'Check the starter motor'
It wouldn't crank.
Of course then the bargaining hassle counter offers on the price for a reco exchange starter.
just one more of those days.
cheers pancho.
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Smed,
Honda shop charges $145ph and the Auto electrician is $176ph over here in big K town.
Cheers
Rob.
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I often get called out to unlock vehicles for people, I charge a minimum of $150.00 (depending on vehicle type , mood im in and if I like the look of the people ) up front in cash , AND I ALWAYS ADVISE MINIMUM COST AND CONDITIONS ON THE PHONE BEFORE LEAVING TO DO THE JOB
I can generally access a vehicle in under a minute and then the whining starts ::) it only took you XYZ seconds and its $150 + blah blah blah ::)
My std response is " if its so easy WTF did you call me then " You lost or locked the keys in there NOT ME ;)
You just cant help some people ::)
Another favourite is people who crash their vehicles and are uninsured ::) They always want a discount , I point out to them that they are already getting a discount as they are only being charged what I would charge the insurance companies , therefore they are getting a corporate rate .
It usually ends with them whining and bitching and me explaining that they choose to gamble by not insuring , I neither endorse or condone gambling to me its like smoking, doing narcotics , homosexuality , or voting National , lifestyle choices that I choose not to indulge it but each to their own, but sometimes it will bite you in the arse .
Cash only thanks ;D
Granted, you work in a very dangerous field. Them Maoris ain't small. However, $150 to chuck a brick thru their window.......borderline price gouging ;D ;D :D ;D ;D
Go back to pylon painting
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Most bike shops always bill you for more Hrs than the Job actualy took
The Stig
I must have been too bloody honest Stiggy when I had my bike shop,never done that,maybe that's why I ain't rich ;D ;D
Me to, different business as I sell firewood, if I had a order for say 5 metres of wood and delivered them 2 metres, would that be the same as someone billing me for 5 hours of work on my bike that only takes 2 hours, I know the buyer of the wood would be totally pissed off, which is how I felt when charged many hours more for a job on my bike than it took...
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Most bike shops always bill you for more Hrs than the Job actualy took
The Stig
I must have been too bloody honest Stiggy when I had my bike shop,never done that,maybe that's why I ain't rich ;D ;D
Me to, different business as I sell firewood, if I had a order for say 5 metres of wood and delivered them 2 metres, would that be the same as someone billing me for 5 hours of work on my bike that only takes 2 hours, I know the buyer of the wood would be totally pissed off, which is how I felt when charged many hours more for a job on my bike than it took...
These days if I need to go to a bike shop there is only one business I deal with.If they say 3 hours then that's how long the job took to do.What's that saying ? "old school service" I'm amazed people own up to over charging.Same folks will look you in the eye and tell you they're honest thru and thru.Yeah right. I've been self employed and it can be tough at times but I've never cheated anybody and still turned a profit.Glad I'm retired now.
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Most bike shops always bill you for more Hrs than the Job actualy took
The Stig
I must have been too bloody honest Stiggy when I had my bike shop,never done that,maybe that's why I ain't rich ;D ;D
Me to, different business as I sell firewood, if I had a order for say 5 metres of wood and delivered them 2 metres, would that be the same as someone billing me for 5 hours of work on my bike that only takes 2 hours, I know the buyer of the wood would be totally pissed off, which is how I felt when charged many hours more for a job on my bike than it took...
So how does me unlocking a car work then under your system :-\ if I charge $150 an hr and the unlock takes me under a minute do I charge the punter $1.25 for 30 seconds or $2.50 for the minute ?
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I often get called out to unlock vehicles for people, I charge a minimum of $150.00 (depending on vehicle type , mood im in and if I like the look of the people ) up front in cash , AND I ALWAYS ADVISE MINIMUM COST AND CONDITIONS ON THE PHONE BEFORE LEAVING TO DO THE JOB
I can generally access a vehicle in under a minute and then the whining starts ::) it only took you XYZ seconds and its $150 + blah blah blah ::)
My std response is " if its so easy WTF did you call me then " You lost or locked the keys in there NOT ME ;)
You just cant help some people ::)
Another favourite is people who crash their vehicles and are uninsured ::) They always want a discount , I point out to them that they are already getting a discount as they are only being charged what I would charge the insurance companies , therefore they are getting a corporate rate .
It usually ends with them whining and bitching and me explaining that they choose to gamble by not insuring , I neither endorse or condone gambling to me its like smoking, doing narcotics , homosexuality , or voting National , lifestyle choices that I choose not to indulge it but each to their own, but sometimes it will bite you in the arse .
Cash only thanks ;D
Granted, you work in a very dangerous field. Them Maoris ain't small. However, $150 to chuck a brick thru their window.......borderline price gouging ;D ;D :D ;D ;D
Go back to pylon painting
Teddy its flagpoles not pylons ;D however seeing as work is in decline recently due to A lack of rain and B apparently flying your national flag these days seems to be considered un PC ::) we may have to branch out .
And I had to send back the bloody voting form again as the Bastards had my occupation down as a flagpole painter not an UNDERWATER flagpole painter :o I sent a filthy letter explaining their mistake and likened it to referring to the surgeon general getting back his forms with occupation listed as district nurse >:(