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Title: TS 250 1984
Post by: hoppy on May 26, 2014, 04:44:45 pm
What do people think of this?
Am thinking parts might be an issue.
Be a nice Vinduro bike.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/121345975103?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Title: Re: TS 250 1984
Post by: mainline on May 26, 2014, 05:05:03 pm
I'm assuming it comes with jousting sticks?

I reckon more like $800.
Title: Re: TS 250 1984
Post by: pokey on May 26, 2014, 05:07:03 pm
sold a white one a few years back. a bit cleaner with indicators and no duct tape on the seat. mine was running for $1600.
Title: Re: TS 250 1984
Post by: oldyzman on May 26, 2014, 05:38:26 pm
Not in love with the 250X....
Title: Re: TS 250 1984
Post by: asasin on May 26, 2014, 07:21:36 pm
I had one a few year ago now ,  it was a really good easy to ride trail / enduro bike smoother motor ( flywheel) than a rm/ pe etc so really fast in tight , trees etc . Im sure if you breathed on the suspension with modern tech it would be even better.
Title: Re: TS 250 1984
Post by: EML on May 26, 2014, 07:31:11 pm
not a bad thing from most accounts.
Nephew has a TS125X which is a bit of fun to ride just a bit porky.
As mentioned 1500 is a bit much IMO.
Title: Re: TS 250 1984
Post by: 80-85 husky on May 26, 2014, 07:45:21 pm
get a PE, much better geometry and potential for improvement if u want a suzi. I found the TS 250 overweight, underpowered, poor geometry and basically a good looking disappointment... :P
Title: Re: TS 250 1984
Post by: EML on May 26, 2014, 08:00:59 pm
I know of a CRM250 if you're keen
Title: Re: TS 250 1984
Post by: oldyzman on May 26, 2014, 08:24:13 pm
CRM250 Good unit, They had "Activated Radical" sticker on the shroud - So Japanese!
Title: Re: TS 250 1984
Post by: Doc on May 26, 2014, 08:55:33 pm
I concur with asasin. I have an '84 TSX250 it's been a nice ride the few times I've taken it out. Same weight as a PE250 (111kgs). A claimed 38hp for the PE and 35hp for the '84 TSX (later models were detuned to 31hp). Suspension seemed fine, power was smooth and I never really noticed any bad traits. I do agree however the price of the advertised bike is a kinda steep. Not uncommon to see similar condition examples sell for around $1000.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7020/6821881791_09f5667ced_z.jpg)
Title: Re: TS 250 1984
Post by: hoppy on May 26, 2014, 09:08:19 pm
I like the fact it is not too common, your one looks great Doc.
Does look a bit dear, I think he is a dealer I saw the bike discussed on another forum must have sold it to him.

Title: Re: TS 250 1984
Post by: oldyzman on May 26, 2014, 09:25:33 pm
Well that's a nice example in any case....
Title: Re: TS 250 1984
Post by: Tim754 on May 26, 2014, 10:19:56 pm
Crikey    can't believe I was selling them new    20 years     ago now ::) Agree with Doc stock 84 model had a noticeable power advantage on the following  TS250X trailies. Tim754
Title: Re: TS 250 1984
Post by: SON on May 27, 2014, 06:41:04 am
I was at the Suzuki launch of the TS in 1983
It was a metal and timber prototype
So impressive
Peter Woods from WMW fame turned up in Honda jackets
Not so impressive,
I was also at the 1984 LA Coluseum Supercross when Suzuki launched the TS engined Quadracer.
I started hitting up The TS with a reshaped combustion chamber and increased compression,
Also gutting the stock pipe with an aftermarket silencer I think we used Richter Privateer
I gave one to Beetle Bailey to set an Australian Wheelie record on but that was almost stock
Then our American friends started moding the hell out of Quadracers and unlocked their secrets
Radical port mods like dropping the inlet port 7mm and taking 4 off the piston skirt
Removing counter balancers, new cranks, cone pipes, we tried it all.
Title: Re: TS 250 1984
Post by: Tex on May 27, 2014, 09:38:57 am
I know someone who picked up a completely original TS250X, even with blinkers etc intact,  about a year ago for around the same money as the one being discussed here, so I'd agree with mainline's price estimate.

As a piece of trivia, Andy Haydon won the 1984 SA 24 hr Reliability Trial on a TS250X.

Tex
Title: Re: TS 250 1984
Post by: EML on May 27, 2014, 11:43:21 am
As a piece of trivia, Andy Haydon won the 1984 SA 24 hr Reliability
Trial on a TS250X.
He prob could have won on a 2 speed Vespa......without lights ;D
Title: Re: TS 250 1984
Post by: 80-85 husky on May 27, 2014, 02:18:48 pm
I owned a boltons special for a while when I gave up racing in 86. it was a disappointment after the race bikes and that was why I didn't like it. as a trail bike it was good. but I found it flat in the power despite all the extras done to it, the gear ratios were funny and the suspension soft despite all the mods done to it.
I bounced and banged and revved my way round a blue light on it once and was lucky not to kill my self trying to keep up with the "real bikes".

it was nice on the road that's for sure.

I found that anything you ran over flicked up and hit your shins (like trail bikes used to) so that didn't impress me much.

so after all the hype about an rm with lights I figured it wasn't.....

but looking at that bike there, nice clean example, hope the powervalve is still functioning (electric one I think). bushes are not flogged out to bad and the main bearings and seals are ok....then its close to the $$ I suppose. just not my cuppa
Title: Re: TS 250 1984
Post by: Bondi Rabbit on May 29, 2014, 11:20:44 pm
I have this model but it needs tlc , motor and gears back shocks all good but its rough, but I have ridden it, handles well I think. going to strip it down, paid $500 for mine but maybe looking at this one I might end up spending more. I like that its not a popular model makes for more interest in the project. Anyway good luck as I know I need it
Title: Re: TS 250 1984
Post by: SON on May 30, 2014, 04:29:23 am
I have this model but it needs tlc , motor and gears back shocks all good but its rough, but I have ridden it, handles well I think. going to strip it down, paid $500 for mine but maybe looking at this one I might end up spending more. I like that its not a popular model makes for more interest in the project. Anyway good luck as I know I need it
NOT A POPULAR MODEL,
As a DUAL PURPOSE Bike they were very popular,
Probably the best 2smoke trail bike, I can't think of a better one
Title: Re: TS 250 1984
Post by: 80-85 husky on May 30, 2014, 08:10:45 am
dt 200 ran rings around them....imho
Title: Re: TS 250 1984
Post by: mustanggrahame on May 30, 2014, 09:22:43 am
Agreed John. The DT200 was a great bike.
Cheers, Grahame
Title: Re: TS 250 1984
Post by: SON on May 30, 2014, 02:08:46 pm
dt 200 ran rings around them....imho
Single track and tight stuff yes
Fire trails and on road No
Our TSs were over 40hp
Title: Re: TS 250 1984
Post by: Andrew L on May 30, 2014, 02:19:50 pm
DT200 is not vinduro legal either as far as I know could be wrong though.
Title: Re: TS 250 1984
Post by: 80-85 husky on May 30, 2014, 04:00:26 pm
how did you get 40 hp out of a ts 250??? I know ::) spend so much money you could have bought a husky (husky is pooh on the road... 8))

I would be keen to see what you did as my ts although "boltonised" with an alloy muffler and rejetting wasn't overly powerfull.
Title: Re: TS 250 1984
Post by: mustanggrahame on May 30, 2014, 05:00:28 pm
There was a watercooled DT200L 1984 model.
Title: Re: TS 250 1984
Post by: SON on May 30, 2014, 07:08:25 pm
how did you get 40 hp out of a ts 250??? I know ::) spend so much money you could have bought a husky (husky is pooh on the road... 8))

I would be keen to see what you did as my ts although "boltonised" with an alloy muffler and rejetting wasn't overly powerfull.
TS250XE
Porting inlet and exhaust
Inlet piston skirt shortened
COMPRESSION and Combustion shaping
LT250 Quadracer carb (leftover)
Gutting of Expansion Chamber
RM or Aftermarket Silencer
.
TS250 Reed / Powervalved
Porting raise and widened Exhaust
Dual Reeds ( No noticeable difference )
COMPRESSION and Combustion shaping
YZ 250 Expansion chamber slight reshaping
Aftermarket Silencer
Title: Re: TS 250 1984
Post by: 80-85 husky on May 30, 2014, 09:15:52 pm
I see, just what the husky125 guys had to do to keep up with the RM's etc.

its interesting in that suzuki changed their focus away from hard competition bikes to trail bikes and the reality is the market for softer non racing bikes was huuuugggee c/w weekend racers

on any weekend in Australia, approximately 2000 racers are out flogging around tracks in off road competition.

but Christ knows how many are knocking about in the scrub and on farms and that was the target market for Suzuki... so the PE goes and we get the TS.

weekend riders don't need quality suspension and plastic tanks....but it must look good. so the ts nails it.

but every so often they tease us with a reminder that they can make a good off road bike and they drop out the rmx....

I like suzukis

Title: Re: TS 250 1984
Post by: EML on June 02, 2014, 02:10:40 pm
And KTM are trying it too, with their cross-over bike...1/2 trail-1/2 trial. Ossa, Bully and some others tried it back in the 60s and 70s as well.
Title: Re: TS 250 1984
Post by: Andrew L on June 02, 2014, 03:27:50 pm
There was a watercooled DT200L 1984 model.

I stand corrected thanks to mustanggrahame lucky we dont have to run period correct tyres

(http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t418/mavman4200p/YamahaDT200R841_zps08b3716d.jpg)
Title: Re: TS 250 1984
Post by: DIRTPILOT72 on June 03, 2014, 09:34:15 pm
I had a DT200L, back in the early 90's. Very rare as they only sold them in 84 and 85. great little bikes.