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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: albrid-3 on May 25, 2014, 02:07:21 pm
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I just purchase this Maico, I have been studying this machine on the net. I would like to know the year of manufacturing. Maico ID sites only go as far as 1968. I do remember the early blue frame models back in the sixties, this bike is a 250, frame number is 280935. Engine Number I 273607, I am steering to forwards 1966-67 to be on the safe side. does anybody else can clarify its year date.
1965, 1966 are the same too.
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The duplex frame is wider than the later models., I feel this frame colour should be blue.
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(http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad275/albrid3/1966Maico.jpg) (http://s943.photobucket.com/user/albrid3/media/1966Maico.jpg.html)
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Now this a great example of the sixties Maico MC 360.
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(http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad275/albrid3/maico6667002.jpg) (http://s943.photobucket.com/user/albrid3/media/maico6667002.jpg.html)
Subframe is narrow, the airbox is a good fabrication, but the original airbox should be like the one on the blue frames in the other photos.
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I believe those numbers are about right for a 67 model.
It is an X3 frame, first of the Maico dual cradles that were commercially on offer from early 1964, although your frame has quite few 1967 touches to it.
I believe your bike is the 1967 first appearance of the Squarie engines.
The frame #935 is higher than its engine #607 Squarie engine, because the Oval barrel engines were still available as an engine choice, and still consumed a lot of the frame numbers.
How much do you want for it?
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Mick what about the engine, would an early round barrel fit my engine.
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Mick what about the engine, would an early round barrel fit my engine.
I think you may mean would it fit your frame?
Yes, an early oval barel would fit the frame, but the swinging arm is not pre 65, nor are the wheels, tripples, forks, etc, etc etc.
The only thing that resembles pre-65 is the bare frame, and that's only if it had a bit of doctoring.
And it would still have the wrong number Dave.
Just sell it to me, how much?
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What I was saying Mick, would a early round barrel fit straight onto my engine, if I found one that is.
Well I feel the frame is a early model, its not a 68 model. so would be happy to say my bike is a 67 model, and being a early numbered engine I think a round barrel would fit.
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Mick D might be a keeper, watch ebay in 2-3 weeks
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Mick D might be a keeper, watch ebay in 2-3 weeks
Well if your got deep pocket, start talking, its amazing I put a clean thread up, to create some info and interest, and the bullshit starts, all I am looking for is some rock solid info about a model
bike.
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What I was saying Mick, would a early round barrel fit straight onto my engine, if I found one that is.
Well I feel the frame is a early model, its not a 68 model. so would be happy to say my bike is a 67 model, and being a early numbered engine I think a round barrel would fit.
Whoops, I didn't get that at the time.
Anything is possible with the right budget or skills and machinery, but I am thinking it is far from a straight bolt on swap.
I am busy at the moment, I will see if I can get some cases etc out later, picture, measure and show the difference.
You would never get it through at National level as a pre65 though, very easy to tell the difference from the outside of a Squarie bottom end to the Oval barrel bottom end.
And as well there is the very visible outside date and model number in the crank case casting(and I am not talking about the stamped ones)
I have the tenth one made of one of these 360s with the correct pre-65 numbers etc.
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I have stripped it down to use as a dirt bike, now with the addition of a correct and complete 64 MC360 engine.
I want another of those X3 frames to put all the road gear on and the Oval road engine in.
I will be gob smacked if you find an alloy oval engine or top end.
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sofa in the garage. How cool is that?!
Mine is so stuffed full of stuff right now just getting in the door is a challenge!
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cos u always have to work on maico's u need a sofa to pull all nighters.... ;D
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Mick, I am not trying or thinking pre 65 racing for this bike, pre 70 is the go for me with this maico, I just wanted to know if I was right thinking it was a 1967 model maico.
I already have a pre65 bike.
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No worries, yes it is a 67.
The squarie engine is far superior in every way to the Oval engine.
And so is the next model maico Squarie frame far superior in handling to the X3 frame.
If you put everything of that bike on to a next model bare frame, you would have one of the best handling and best performing politically correct pre-70 bikes around.
This doesn't concern you Dave, I am going to a lot of trouble and expense to comply with the rules,
and I am waiting in vigilance with a keen eye to see if anyone turns up with an oval top end grafted on to a later squarie bottom end, in an effort to past it off as a kosher pre-65
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This doesn't concern you Dave, I am going to a lot of trouble and expense to comply with the rules,
and I am waiting in vigilance with a keen eye to see if anyone turns up with an oval top end grafted on to a later squarie bottom end, in an effort to past it off as a kosher pre-65
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I wonder who that could be ;)
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this is 1963 Maico GS 175. same frame as mine.
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this is 1963 Maico GS 175. same frame as mine.
That is one hell of a nice bike, but I think a case of a miss-informed owner. 1963 Gs Maico's were single down tube frames
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Over the years I have purchased every bit of available proof listed on German Ebay.
I invite anyone to show me contrary.
In 1963 only Single down tube was commercially available, and the only alloy Oval Barrels were still the 175 and the new 250.
Although the same 250 cylinder casting was used to produce the 360 capacity as well, but only for the factory racers toyed with those 360 alloy ovals during 1963.
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These pics and so on are only snippets of the collection of proof I have in my possession.
I have quite a few German magazines that show the dual cradle X3 frame being commercially available from the beginning of 1964, but they only seem to talk about the twin cradle GS version. I cannot find anything that supports the GS being commercially available till 1965?
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But from February 1964 dual cradle MC(motocross) and SS(roadies)
Were commercially available to any Maico dealer willing to commit.
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A skilled tradie will easily turn your 67 frame into a 64 frame, if he has a 64 frame to copy from.
(http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad275/albrid3/maico6667001.jpg)
except for the serial number of course.
Even after all that Dave the frame would be the only 1964 component that you would then have.
Not being smart, just saying and sharing some of the info I have.
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If one reads the feelings and sentiments stated from those in the day, like those of say Jim McCabe.
They will read that the single down tube 1962 &1963 X2's were indeed handlers and the X3 dual cradles were a major disappointment. Jim McCabe went back to his single down tube X2.
All over the web, and in every Magazine that tested, it is stated that is wasn't until the later Squarie frame arrived in 1968 fitted with their new leading axle forks that made the world realise what a sweet handling bike that Maico now had on offer.
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I like the pipe on that 250. Neat, who made it.
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I like the pipe on that 250. Neat, who made it.
Yes I reckon it is a neat looking pipe too Dave. Real neat actually.
But I have no idea who made it, just a pic i found on the web :)
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Actually a bloke in our NSW club called Turtle has one of these 250s.
I watched him hole shot everyone in the CRC open capacity pre-70
And he held em out until fitness or more to the point, lack of it, finally let a couple past ::)
But what ever you do, don't tell him I told you that bit ;D
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