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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rookie#1 on May 12, 2014, 07:45:12 pm
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I'm sure it's been done here before, but who gives a toss, I'm bored and wondering..if you were to pick a couple of mx or enduro bikes manufactured during or after 1995 for an "investment" in the distant future what would they be? And why? I think there's quite a few that are currently obtainable for small sums now that will be the sought after stuff in years to come. As shows in current day collectibility of a bike it seems not to matter if the bike was actually any "good" in it's era or not, just that some one has a connection with it or desire for something seems reason enough for a bike to be deemed "sought after", which is understandable...
Mine??
09 to current CRF150RB, why? Because its a true 1 off, never anything like it before and unlikely to be like it again considering the 1502t classes have now taken over. A four stroke, water cooled, high output 150cc factory built mx'er, can you show me another one??
VOR503, rare as rocking horse poo even now and they were years ahead of their time, over engineered yes, but very cool too.
What's yours??
Cheers, Brendan
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BMW R1200 GS...... any year
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I did think a while back when they said they were going stop making the last of the RM and CR two strokes mx bikes.
buy a couple of them and keep them like new and sell them later on in time , but didn't have the funds at the time ::)
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1st Husaberg
1st Vertemati
1st Vor
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YZF 400. In a similar way to the DTI (but not quite). First of the new generation 4/
Australian début at 1st round 1998 Thumpers, Barrabool. What a sight over 'Skyline' straight - 40 metre roost neck and neck with Kato 620's!
Ando on YZF 400, Kirkman, Caroll and Hogan on the 620 Katos. Awesome!
Local dealer sold 13 the next day!
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YZF 400. In a similar way to the DTI (but not quite). First of the new generation 4/
Yep gotta be top of the list ;)It was a major game changer :)
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The road legal cr500e 2002 I think not many last of the 500's and road legal I have seen a few examples pretty expensive don't know if the af would have affect on them but the road legal is a big thing.
Plenty of road bikes too that would be a solid investment if you could resist riding them.
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YZF 400. In a similar way to the DTI (but not quite). First of the new generation 4/
Australian début at 1st round 1998 Thumpers, Barrabool. What a sight over 'Skyline' straight - 40 metre roost neck and neck with Kato 620's!
Ando on YZF 400, Kirkman, Caroll and Hogan on the 620 Katos. Awesome!
Local dealer sold 13 the next day!
Not rare enough don't you think? Not as an investment.
The road legal cr500e 2002 I think not many last of the 500's and road legal I have seen a few examples pretty expensive don't know if the af would have affect on them but the road legal is a big thing.
Plenty of road bikes too that would be a solid investment if you could resist riding them.
problem is you've missed the boat by now. They are way expensive already.
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Mine??
09 to current CRF150RB, why? Because its a true 1 off, never anything like it before and unlikely to be like it again considering the 1502t classes have now taken over. A four stroke, water cooled, high output 150cc factory built mx'er, can you show me another one??
Cheers, Brendan
Can I show you another one ? No, because they are a pile of dung, no one else wants to touch them with a 40 foot pole.
How are they high output?
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in the same way as the yz400, the first pds 300 kato
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1st Husaberg as Brad says. but good luck finding one. 1989 was the first production run and they were the first of the "new generation" four strokes way back then. It's no coincidence that the '98 YZ400F is virtually identical in bore/stroke & piston style to Husaberg 400.
K
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Mine??
09 to current CRF150RB, why? Because its a true 1 off, never anything like it before and unlikely to be like it again considering the 1502t classes have now taken over. A four stroke, water cooled, high output 150cc factory built mx'er, can you show me another one??
Cheers, Brendan
Can I show you another one ? No, because they are a pile of dung, no one else wants to touch them with a 40 foot pole.
How are they high output?
I never said they were any good, just very different. And nearly 22hp isn't "high output" for a factory 150cc 4t? :-\
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Yamaha MX125A...
rare as in race trim... 8)
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Yamaha MX125A...
rare as in race trim... 8)
They produced these post 1994?? ::) ;D :)
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Yep..
i bought mine in 2006...
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how about the BMW 450 enduro ? {the bike David Knight had trouble with}
this had some interesting features but was not a big seller, and was quietly dropped after a few years.
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Maybe an Aprillia Rx 550, or whatever it was called...
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Mine??
09 to current CRF150RB, why? Because its a true 1 off, never anything like it before and unlikely to be like it again considering the 1502t classes have now taken over. A four stroke, water cooled, high output 150cc factory built mx'er, can you show me another one??
Cheers, Brendan
Can I show you another one ? No, because they are a pile of dung, no one else wants to touch them with a 40 foot pole.
How are they high output?
I never said they were any good, just very different. And nearly 22hp isn't "high output" for a factory 150cc 4t? :-\
Yeah, but usually the good ones are the wise investments, Bultaco Lobito's aren't exactly a hot item, Maico 490's are.. The advantage you have is that in a few years you'll be able to lay your hands on heaps of them for free, then make a killing in 30 yrs.
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how about one of those electric mx bikes....once fossils run out there will be no power!!
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The last of the Honda two strokes or 96 CR 250 as these were one of the best bikes ever made.Yeah not rare but give it a few years Canondale if you can find one.
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Just saw a picture of a Husky WR250 AE twin shock , now that might be worth something.
PEZ ?
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Just saw a picture of a Husky WR250 AE twin shock , now that might be worth something.
PEZ ?
I have never seen a 250 AE I have only seen open class Auto's
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Husaberg for sure, they won a heap of world titles in MX and Enduro against the big factories [I think Berg employed about 25 people], they only made a couple of thousand bikes a year and they set the std for the modern 4 stroke revolution [like it or not]. The FC501 motor has to be the best 4 stroke engine going......pull from any gear at any speed and can scare the shit out of you, even now if you put a top rider on one he will be up there. It's interesting that CCM's have a sort of cult following and pull big dollars but never really won much, on the other hand, the Berg's where always expensive but won shitloads.....the modern CCM maybe in collectability and value?. Any of the euro bikes from the mid 90's on will be sought after...TM, VOR, Vertimati, Husqvarna 410/610, they all came with trick parts std.
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Got a mate with a Canondale, got a few trick bits on it, husky silver bullet, is the Kramit a collectible ?
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I'm with the Husaberg on this one. Fast, light, different and very competitive. They were the leaders in 4t technology at the time and even the old 501's have no problem with roosting more modern big bores. And, the factory doesn't exist anymore.....
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is the Kramit a collectible ?
Nope, never was and never will be 8). When can I come over and pick it up ???
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Love ya work Noel, mate PM me your mobile will you I've got some Q about CD...
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Did they make dirt bikes after 1979 !!!!!!!! ;D
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Did they make dirt bikes after 1979 !!!!!!!! ;D
;D
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Buy GMC products ;D then sit on them for a few years until I die then release them to the public :o
I would also like to point out that if you happen to buy a frame or exhaust that has a defect then instead of complaining to me you just sit on it and watch it's value grow.
Yeah, well, it works for coins & stamps ;D
Seriously though, if you put 5 grand in the bank at 5% interest and added the interest into the kitty each year then I calculate that in 20 years time it will have grown to $13266.00 ($8144.00 after 10 years)
How many of you can buy a bike and sit on it for 10 or 20 years and not spend any money on it?
If you want it to either ride it or sit in the pool room then do it but if you think its the way to get rich slowly then your just kidding yourselves.
Put the money in the bank then you will have enough to buy it in the future after someone else has bought it and restored it.
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Your getting sensible in your old age Geoff......must be all that country living mixed with all those exotic metals you work with. Having said that, in the 1980's you couldn't give away 6 pak Chargers/327, 350 Monaro's /GT, GTHO Falcons, we know the bubble has burst but some people made lots and lots of money that the government didn't get 1 cent of. My $1500 1 owner HT350 is still in the shed......better than bank rates. ;D.....I wonder if my Berger will ever pull 100K plus?....LOL.
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an old rusty Monaro is still pulling 10k even though it needs 50 spent on it!! ive kept mine regardless of some ridiculous offers, id simply rather have the car than the cash but if I need the cash I guess I could flog it I suppose and I will get away relatively unscathed $wise but have had some fun with it. cant ask for more!
mate had his wife buy him a special 1 off falcon xw gt or xy (I cant tell which was which) for his 40th from a local fella who bought it from ford newish. it was built for the yank guy that ran their Bathurst attack.
he spent a few bucks tidying it up then 1 day had this guy show up positively drooling over the car, gave him its full history yada yada yada and then asked if he would sell it as he had been looking for the car for years and years.... ol mate decides hes a bit over it and agrees on a pretty good price.
two weeks later some bloke rings and tells him he has just bought the car for 2.5 times what he sold it for >:(
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Buy anything that 30 -40 year olds either loved or loathed or yearned for in their late teens when they didnt have the money for it . ie 80's mustangs ala tv series 90210 etc. Dirt bikes from then not so much as the craze was prety much over by then but Road bikes seem to be doing quite well.
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Ok so in this thread we now have someone mentioning Beverly Hills 90210 and Geoff Morris making complete sense, I dunno what I did but the world seems to have gone completely flucking insane!!! :o :o :o :o ;D ;D ;)
Cheers, Brendan
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Just saw a picture of a Husky WR250 AE twin shock , now that might be worth something.
PEZ ?
I have never seen a 250 AE I have only seen open class Auto's
Turns out it was a 83/WR roller with a ARMY 250AE engine.
Sure looked factory.
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Buy any registered bike through your business and buy tax deductible parts, servicing etc for it and fit them to your VMX bikes. When registered bike is depreciated down to $0 flog it off for 10% cheque and 90% cash. Thats how you can make money out of bikes.
Now I would never do this, but 8) 8) 8)
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Damn Monaro's, bought one when I was 16 racing green, gold stripe, black vynil roof (what were they smokin?) 186"s" $600.
Trashed it in 2yrs and sold her off for $200 and thought I was rippin. :(
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A Bultaco Metralla and recently an El Bandido for me, with a lot of explaining afterwards about "being special"
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Verodo Green...Niiiice!
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I've got a '74 Ducati 450 single under a cover just sitting there appreciating. Geoff makes a good point about money in the bank however the flaw in that argument, in my case anyway, is that the money in the bank would have been spent whereas I still have the Ducati.
I had a matching '74 Ducati 750 Sport that I sold in a moment of weakness to buy something that I can't even remember and have regretted it ever since. :'( :'(
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Should i keep my KX250A4 for the purpose of investment or sell it as i wanted it for DT, but have now moved onto a pre75 project?
Brett
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Please note the original post "pick a couple of mx or enduro bikes manufactured during or after 1995 for an "investment" in the distant future"
1995
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Ok so in this thread we now have someone mentioning Beverly Hills 90210 and Geoff Morris making complete sense, I dunno what I did but the world seems to have gone completely flucking insane!!! :o :o :o :o ;D ;D ;)
Cheers, Brendan
Not sure if I've been insulted or complimented
I will have to think on it for a few days ;D
Geoff makes a good point about money in the bank however the flaw in that argument, in my case anyway, is that the money in the bank would have been spent whereas I still have the Ducati.
It was a theory, one that I have never been able to put into practice ;D
In early days there were a few iconic cars and bikes that had small production runs that were forgotten about a decade later, 2 decades on people started to appreciate them again making them collectible.
You have to look for the modern versions.
VOR
Vertamati
BMW 450
Husaberg lay down motor
A still running pit bike
I can't foresee anything out there that would make you good money like sitting on a GTHO for 25 years but then I have never been much good at predicting trends.
There was a time when I thought 23" front wheels and 17" rear wheels seemed the way of the future so it probably not wise to take my advice too much.
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A still running pit bike
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Good one Geoff.
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There was a time when I thought 23" front wheels and 17" rear wheels seemed the way of the future so it probably not wise to take my advice too much.
Honda thought the same thing Geoff so don't be too hard on ya self.....they had me believing as well.
Trying to make money out of dirt bike "investments" just isn't feasible if you ask me. But it is much more fun than watching your money make the bank rich......
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I think you have to be totally obsessed or lucky in this regard. I knew a bloke with a purple GTR XU1, immaculate car, was convinced they were going to go thru the roof $$wise. it was his first car and he looked after it intensely... until mid 1990s when he just had to get some cash for a new house or an extension or something so he sold it for 8K......
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Hindsight is bitch if you ask me..... I sold my genuine "lettuce alone" HQ SS for $6500 back in 1996 and thought I got good money for it. I also had a turbo charged orange LJ XU1 way back in "86 that I swapped for a brand new CB900 boldor.....I thought I did well with that deal as well ::)
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Just saw a picture of a Husky WR250 AE twin shock , now that might be worth something.
PEZ ?
I have never seen a 250 AE I have only seen open class Auto's
Turns out it was a 83/WR roller with a ARMY 250AE engine.
Sure looked factory.
Hmmm forgot about those Army auto's there must be a heap of those somewhere? I wonder if there cheap?
(http://kickstart.bikeexif.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/husqvarna-automatic-3.jpg)
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we should have an "unwise" investments page, we could learn a lot from that!!
(I don't think the server could cope with the traffic) ;D
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we should have an "unwise" investments page, we could learn a lot from that!!
(I don't think the server could cope with the traffic) ;D
What photo's of our EX Wifes?
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no ... selection of women to give houses to is "std across the range"
women and cyclones are the same
im thinking more of "I cant go wrong" investments that did....
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no ... selection of women to give houses to is "std across the range"
women and cyclones are the same
im thinking more of "I cant go wrong" investments that did....
Ostrich eggs and "pyramid" spring to mind :'( ;D ;D
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concord was another
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Looks like we can blame Husqvarna for the curse of black rims on VMX bikes. ;D
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Just saw a picture of a Husky WR250 AE twin shock , now that might be worth something.
PEZ ?
I have never seen a 250 AE I have only seen open class Auto's
Turns out it was a 83/WR roller with a ARMY 250AE engine.
Sure looked factory.
Hmmm forgot about those Army auto's there must be a heap of those somewhere? I wonder if there cheap?
(http://kickstart.bikeexif.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/husqvarna-automatic-3.jpg)
Interesting , wonder what they go like ?
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I think a late model ally frame YZ250 2stk.
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Aprilia rxv any model
Canondale any model
First YZ400F
Early Husabergs (with fuel pump in the tank), earlier the better.
YZ125WR 2004 model
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My thoughts are that in years to come an era line will be drawn between steel frame bikes and alloy frame bikes, time will tell tell if I'm correct but I can't see many of the alloy framed bikes being around 30+ years after production let alone hold any much collectable value even if they are. Just my 2c, you are free to disagree.
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Great read Brendan,
I think the last Suzuki RMX 250 ,1998 to 2001 was an awesome bike. Whether that makes it a good investment time will tell. Cheers Terry.
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Don't buy a current F1 car and expect to race in historics in say 20 years time. Apparently some of the exotic marterials used degrade within a comparatively short period making them unsafe to use. I'll stick to water pipe framed Bultacos in the meantime. J
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early electroics ( pre digital) Old AMPS, CD players, and glass tube tvs, All going ,going, gone. even vynal has made a comeback
They wont make 5 figures but will at least triple ( 300 %)in value and are easy to store.
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Don't buy a current F1 car and expect to race in historics in say 20 years time. Apparently some of the exotic marterials used degrade within a comparatively short period making them unsafe to use. I'll stick to water pipe framed Bultacos in the meantime. J
Too right Jerry. As with aircraft, there is only so long the materials used can last before they fall to bits.
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no ... selection of women to give houses to is "std across the range"
women and cyclones are the same
im thinking more of "I cant go wrong" investments that did....
Ostrich eggs and "pyramid" spring to mind :'( ;D ;D
So does old wine.....it never seems to last long before it disappears out of the rack :o
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Cigars are another one... great story about the guy who bought a dozen special cigars and insured them for a fortune.... he then claimed the money as they were destroyed by a series of "small fires" (12 I think ;D) the court upheld his claim and as soon as he got the cheque he was charged with arson and jailed... I love it ;D