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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: jimg1au on February 26, 2014, 11:51:17 am
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after my adventra was written off in an rear ender last week. i am thinking of buying on of these cars
2006 and up
hilux v6 or 3ltr turbo/disel
mazda bt50 t/d
ford ranger t/d
navara t/d 2.5ltr
d-max is t/d
triton t/d
any own these can give me an owners view on
how they drive
fuel usage
towing
thanks
my cheque is in the mail so I am told
jim
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Bummer Jim, that was a unique Commodore.
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after my adventra was written off in an rear ender last week. i am thinking of buying on of these cars
2006 and up
hilux v6 or 3ltr turbo/disel
mazda bt50 t/d
ford ranger t/d
navara t/d 2.5ltr
d-max is t/d
triton t/d
any own these can give me an owners view on
how they drive
fuel usage
towing
thanks
my cheque is in the mail so I am told
jim
Pick anything off your list. ALL are Thailand built and good quality. Any of the diesels have the potential to cost you big time if you get some sub standard fuel on a regular basis- pumps,lines and injectors, oh, and fuel tanks in some of them, all problems from moisture in the fuel. Do a bit of digging and see what pumps and injectors cost. The Dmax has the lowest warranty rate on your list. Go the V6 petrol or petrol in anything you might get, bit dearer for fuel but easier to fix. I am talking current models off your list assuming you are buying new or near to it. A typical diesel hi lux repair for shit fuel is around 12 grand at a dealer and they are doing them regularly. A Nissan diesel fuel pump for instance,depending on model is 3500-6500 aud, all have alloy bodies and cant really be rebuilt to good standard. PETROL is way to go if you are keeping long term. You could go v6 hilux and lpg? Bit of a ramble but its what i see in my travels in dealer land.
Kt
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I had a diesel Navara (two wheel drive version) with my last job and it was a piece of sh#t. It was brand new and in the first 4 months, both the front shocks and steering rack had to be replaced under warranty. I know its the way they ride, but it was so rough and bouncy and the fuel economy wasn't anything great. Unless you specifically need a ute, get a car (current work car is a commodore - so much better to ride in) or if you don't need a 4WD but still need a ute and are ok with a second hand car, get a crewman.
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Had a Mazda and had no problems just got a hilux 2013 plate $ 26,000 brand new nice vehicle :)
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I have a 2005 Toyota Hilux 4L V6 petrol with auto
They use a bit more fuel than a diesel but in terms of servicing and long like I think they work out better
A lot quieter than the diesel too, at 120km/h you can hold a normal conversation in the cab, no yelling.
It is the smoothest, quietest most un-ute like ute I’ve driven
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I have a 2012 BT50 dual cab 4x4. Awesome car (same car as new ranger except body shape but came in $5K cheaper) it got a 3.2lt turbo deisel, which hauls. You can be sitting on 110 on fwy loaded with two bike and not even think of dropping out of 6th gear to overtake! About 9-10 lt / 100km depending on what's in the back (that's not towing) and that's with weight of winch and bullbar. It rides like a car on the road and is impressive offload, the comfort of ride puts a hilux to shame but in saying that hilux has better resale! It is big though, long and wider than similar rigs and takes a bit of getting used to size wise for parking ect, sit 3 adults in back comfortably though. All up a good car, I'm happy anyway ;D
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I own 4 off BT 50 Mazda Freestyle alloy tray, 3.2 6speed manual, also a V6 diesel Navara duel cab 7 speed auto with a tray as well. The Mazda's are the best , no dramas or faults. They have more bling that the Nissan $59, 000 job in my opinion.
To carry bikes a tray is longer than a tub type body.
The Mazda's are cheaper to buy than the equivalent Ranger with maybe more gear. A service costs about $500 because of the full synthetic engine oil, at our local bloke not the dealer.
If you are intending hanging a really big van or trailer to tow the Mazda, a Ranger and Navara will bend the chassis rails in front of the rear spring hangers. The body gap between the cab and body opens up at the top and becomes greater in distance than the bottom .
Hard to believe but I have been shown two vehicles that were repaired.
A steering rack in a Navara is $5000 to replace . In my opinion all today's utes cannot safely tow the big vans or boats, I don't care what the book says.
For all that work an F 250 is the go, I had one and sold it. Eventually they will come back , we are victims of what our Jap masters think we want.
Rant over, buy the BT50 $33.5 k on the road in Sydney freestyle body and a tray.
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the boat i tow is only 1.5t.
2.5t if i hire a exc/bob cat
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I bought a new hilux sr5 over 12 mths ago first 4wd I ever had love it also capped service @$170.00 for three years and Toyota will extend that for another 2yrs if I service it at the same dealership
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I believe a new Hilux will be released some time next year, they are behind the others in "killer watts" and torque compared to the 5 cyl 3.2 lt, 147 kw and 470 mm. I had one of mine on cruise, 6th gear, 100 kph' and the fuel readout went from 3.6l/100 to 7.8l/100 when a semi overtook me.
Driving on to disturbed air made all the difference, hard to believe, when he had passed the reading went back to 3.6 l/100.Our utes are fitted with alloy boxes both sides,we have weighbridged one at 800 kg of constant load.
The Triton tub is too small, the Amarok is $1000 to service.We had a Rodeo diesel that would shutdown the diesel on the move, so that was the end of that one . Nice thing to happen when you are in the middle of 3 lanes, this was after 4 days at the dealer as well.
I' m telling ya , the 3.2 diesel either make!!!
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I have been looking at dual cabs also this is what I have found
-anything v6 petrol uses a lot of fuel
-new navara and triton diesel are only 2.5 l can be gutless towing heavy loads until you get them up on the turbo
-navara has problems with timing chain and are very expensive to replace and require special tools to do so
-navara some models use different parts some are made in korea some some where else , when you order parts they need vin numbers to work out where it was made
-ford ranger have been told when changing oil don't leave sump empty for more than 10 mins or oil pump will drain and wont reprime some have had transmission problems
these comments have come from mechanics in my area who work on these every day
a guy I work with is looking at a vw amarok says they are nice but not many around here yet to have a look at
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I believe a new Hilux will be released some time next year, they are behind the others in "killer watts" and torque compared to the 5 cyl 3.2 lt, 147 kw and 470 mm. I had one of mine on cruise, 6th gear, 100 kph' and the fuel readout went from 3.6l/100 to 7.8l/100 when a semi overtook me.
Driving on to disturbed air made all the difference, hard to believe, when he had passed the reading went back to 3.6 l/100.Our utes are fitted with alloy boxes both sides,we have weighbridged one at 800 kg of constant load.
The Triton tub is too small, the Amarok is $1000 to service.We had a Rodeo diesel that would shutdown the diesel on the move, so that was the end of that one . Nice thing to happen when you are in the middle of 3 lanes, this was after 4 days at the dealer as well.
I' m telling ya , the 3.2 diesel either make!!!
What are the service intervals on the 3.2 diesel?
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What are the service intervals on the 3.2 diesel?
10000 K on the BT50. Now Mazda has fixed price servicing now too. disclaimer... (My daughter is a senior service adviser for Bendigo Mazda.) :)
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We drive a Nissan STX-550. 8/100 touring and about 10 around town. It has been flawless. Travelled 35K KM and feels like new. We fitted a dual sun roof and use the 550 as a highway cruiser.
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I'll stick with Iveco. 40,000 klms scheduled servicing. 3 ltr intercooled turbo diesel 6 speed manual Weighs 2.6 ton unladen and gets 9/100
Seriously thinking about getting their new 4x4 Dual Cab. Stands 2.8 mtrs high and has two Isringhausen suspension seats up front and four seats in the back. These things make normal dual cabs look like matchbox cars, and not for much more money either.
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That's what I have with a tray, agree with your fuel,mines maxes out at 11 L/100 around the city on a hot day with the air cond.
They are fitted with a RENAULT V6 turbo diesel which is mounted in the vee, the 7 speed auto does not like to get into gear till around 100 kicks, and go like the proverbial off a shovel!!
I've been holding back from saying it but they are like all my Bully's, made in Spain of course, check my list. I know I've heard all the Bultaco jokes thanks.
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If that Iveco motor was in a normal size dual cab the Japs would not sell one vehicle.
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Nissan D40 2.5.
Best ute I have ever had.
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Just traded in my 2011 sr5 hilux twin cab ute. Petrol motor is a little thirsty but was totally reliable, cruised well and reasonably quiet. Generally do 5-6 trips Brisbane/Melbourne trips per year. Only regret I had was standard ute back and hard tonneau cover. Good size esky won't let the lid close . Ensure you get a tray back, preferably steel as weight helps with traction.
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I drove a 210 /11 ranger dual cab diesel for a while towing up to 2.5 ton of dirt in a tandem trailer. really impressive c/w my 97 rodeo.
I bought a BT 50 auto 211 space cab diesel. nice ute, big tray, the space cab is neat for a couple of dogs or the 22 y/o daughter who has suddenly moved back in!
unhappy with the fuel eco, cant get better than 12+ l/100 while most rangers and bt's run around the 8 - 10. seeing 400 - 450 kms per 55 litre fill.
overall I would suggest you find a 210 or 11 ranger as ol mate got one and its a ripper. manual is my suggestion.
avoid v6 petrols as they suck fuel 12 - 18 l/100 depending on conditions although they can be bloody cheap as owners get sick of forking out 100 bucks twice a week!
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ALL are Thailand built and good quality. A typical diesel hi lux repair for shit fuel is around 12 grand at a dealer and they are doing them regularly. A Nissan diesel fuel pump for instance,depending on model is 3500-6500 aud, all have alloy bodies and cant really be rebuilt to good standard.
Not all Navara's are Thai built. Anything with a 3.0lt V6 diesel or 4.0lt V6 petrol is built in Barcelona, Spain and any dual cab that is an STX regardless of engine is built in the same plant, everything else is built in Thailand. Easy to pick, Barcelona VIN's start with VSK and anything built in Thailand has a VIN that starts with MNT.
Regardless of the manufacturer of the vehicle, (Nissan, Toyota, Mitsubishi) pretty much all the 4 cylinders run a Denso common rail fuel system, some of the lower volume manufactures run Bosch so the cost to repair a contaminated fuel system is the same across all brands and will typically cost you a set of injectors (4x$1000) a high pressure fuel pump ($2500) sacrificial components to replace the injectors and pump ($1000) labour to drop out the tank, clean and flush along with the labor for the fuel system parts ($1200) so you'd be looking at $8k to $9k.
My advice.
Never store any qty of diesel to use at a later time.
Only buy diesel from factory owned reputable fuel suppliers. Ie BP, Shell & Caltex. It's not uncommon for private independents to splash blend biodiesel and kerosene on site.
Resist putting volumes of Alpine blend fuels into your tank.
Never, ever use blended or bio diesel.
Fit a secondary quality filter/sedimentor with a clear bowl that you can visually inspect.
Steer well clear of fuel additives (there nothing more than snake oil)
Do your best to never run them out of fuel. If you do follow the manufactures recommendations to the letter on how to prime the system.
If the engine power is not enough for your purpose, upgrade to a vehicle/engine combination that will do the job you want. Do not chip them up, increase the boost, etc you will pay big time later down the track.
If you accidentally fill with a small volume of ULP, say 10lt's before you realise what you've done, do not start the engine. Push it out the way and have it taken somewhere where the tank can be fully drained and refill to the brim with fresh diesel. Whilst the vehicle may start and run with 5-10 lt's of diesel, it "will" fail fuel components some time in the near future due to the dramatically decreased lubriscosity level of the fuel.
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Excellent advice from Bahnzy.
I used to work on quite a few common rail diesels in my time as a mechanic .
They (generally) do not tolerate contaminated / poor quality fuel & can be expensive to repair, in most instances, if bad fuel is ingested .
Regards ,
Steve
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Mobil's (My old brother in law) daughter topped her veedub diesel up wit hULP and headed on her merry way...$1600 bucks later all was well... >:( the petrol eats and swells all the rubber bits apparently
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diesel is out wife wont have one
.now that changes everything
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Some good advice on here from those in the trade.
All I can add after being retired from the trade ten years is with regard to Nissan commercials
panchoand cars is that they are top quality but similar to Honda stuff better not to own after about five years. Parts are expensive and like Honda hard to find.
Typical jap attitude Don't fix it, buy new!
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Don't let this thread deter anybody from buying a diesel.
I once put 75 ltrs of Premium ULP in my 2001 Isuzu NKR. Drove off all was good. After a klm or so it starts running real rough. Putting it down to out of fuel, new fuel will pump through soon. After 5 klms it's still running rough. Pull over on M4 and smell ULP in tank. Ring Isuzu and tell them what I've done. He says " drain it out and put diesel in and to be honest it wouldn't have hurt it a bit." He was right. 230,000 klms later not one motor issue at all. Probably ran it out of fuel half a dozen times.
Once again no problems.
The Iveco I have now has run out of fuel three or four times. No problem.
The money you will save on fuel will far outweigh the initial purchase price. Especially towing.
I've been driving diesel 2 tonne trucks and 4WD since 1982 with not one engine, oil or fuel problem.
You couldn't give me a petrol ute or truck.
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Excellent advice from Bahnzy.
I used to work on quite a few common rail diesels in my time as a mechanic .
They (generally) do not tolerate contaminated / poor quality fuel & can be expensive to repair, in most instances, if bad fuel is ingested .
Regards ,
Steve
Yep, Bahnzy is the man all right, just read his post, its exactly right, the only other thing i would avoid is anything with a particulate filter, expensive as hell from what i've seen. Also, mid 2000s Navara with td 4 cyl, pump is $5600 off Nissan according to a friend who just bought one, he decided to go with a Denso agent reco unit for just on 3g.....petrol pumps are not cheap either but nothing like that.
Ted's right too, if you must have diesel the Iveco or the Isuzu seem ok, the Isuzu would be my pick if i HAD to have one and its a bit of a slug compared to the others. GO PETROL, you'll save on servicing, initial buy price, the dirty wifes shoes at the diesel bowser. Just had a ride in the SPANISH BUILT v6 turbo Nissan, i never would have thought a diesel ute could get along like that! FAST for a diesel!!!
Kt.
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diesel is out wife wont have one
.now that changes everything
Easy solution, change wife's. It always seems to be my job to take my wife's car up to the servo anyway.
All this talk about fuel pumps I think I might be heading for an expensive surprise, been adding up and I think we are up to about ten diesels we have had with no dramas.
As far as the STZ 550 Navaras, I have had mates in mine who v8 are petrol heads comment about the acceleration, geeesus !!! from what I heard them say. Have seen a You Tube clip of one in Germany doing 192 on the Autobahn.
I suppose another alternative ute would be the throw away CHERRY, or FOTON, TATA and last but not least the Indian MAHINDRA, no thanks , not for me though.
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looking at a spanish v6 petrol to start with still might take a td for a spin.and yes i do all the fueling for all our cars
jim
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looking at a spanish v6 petrol to start with still might take a td for a spin.and yes i do all the fueling for all our cars
jim
If it’s got a little red diamond in the number plate turn around & runaway. If it hasn't, check the vehicle out to see if it did have a little red diamond on the number plate at some point in time, then turn around & run even faster. Typical costs to rectify a VQ40 that has suffered particle reversion from a LPG related Cat-Convertor failure is $13K to $15K. Another tell-tale is to see if the pre/post O2 sensors are fitted and operational and not bypassed with a resistance shunt because the honeycomb has been stripped from the Cat-Convertor shell. Remember that the VQ40 hasn’t been on dealer’s showroom floors for better the 24 to 30 months, about the time the V6 diesel went on sale. If you think it’s all scare mongering, ring any reputable LPG installer and ask what it costs to fit LPG to a VQ40 Navara or Pathfinder, you’ll get a pretty short answer!
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Don't let this thread deter anybody from buying a diesel.
Not trying to deter anyone from buying a diesel .
Some great performing new models for sure
A lot of these new common rail diesels do not handle poor quality/ wrong fill/ contaminated fuel .
I have repaired a few fuel contaminated common rail diesels & most were expensive to fix.
Correct ,clean fuel for new gen common rail systems is esp important is all I am saying.
I bet your old 01 Isuzu NKR was not a common rail Ted.
Regards,
Steve
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Is my 08 Iveco?
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You wearing long pants yet Jimbo? ;D ;)
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I bought a FG falcon ute new a few years ago and shortly after was given a new Hilux 4x2 petrol SR model for work. The Falcon ute only has 20,000 km's and isn't used that much, the Hilux just had its 60,000 km service last week. The difference between the Ford and Toyota is really noticeable in that even after doing 3 times the mileage of the Falcon the Hilux still feels new. I think that Hilux's are a wonderful ute, nice to drive and will prove to be reliable, fuel consumption is reasonable as well
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Your Italian Vehicle Engineering Company light truck would be common rail Teddyboy.....it would have been more luck than anything.....Any late model turbo diesel that's done more than a 100k's is a accident waiting to happen....if you buy new, get the extended warranty and when it's close to running out....sell it.
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So I should have sold it 287,000 klms ago 8)
You stick to what you know. Building slow MX bikes.
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Your Italian Vehicle Engineering Company light truck would be common rail Teddyboy
The big difference between the Iveco (as an example) and the current crop of Japanese based utes is that Iveco plan for operators to use crap fuel and put filtrations systems in place to better manage it based on the anticipated usage of the vehicle and the buyer profile, have a look at the filtration system on your Iveco and you'll understand. The other thing to consider is that the Japanese utes are required to meet differing euro emission standards than a full blown commercial vehicle (for the time) and as such the fuel systems aren't as exacting and will tolerate a little more.
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Right there. Even has a pollen filter for the A/C.
It's a filterthon ;D
40,000 klm service intervals.......love it ;D
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Ive had 3 Triton utes over the last 10 years, lease them for work, I do about 50,000 k a year, with about 200kg of gear in the back of a tray back. I also have towed the infamous QVMX trailer about 2,200 kg, and my own van , about 2000 kg , for a lot of klm. I have also put 3 bikes in the back and towed boats up to Fraser is.
Ive had two diesels and a v 6 petrol. The diesels were good and strong but wouldn't like to keep them after the warrenty runs out for the many reasons mentioned above.
The current GLXR V6 hauls ass and is great to drive but a little heavy on the juice.
In summary, it depends on were your gunna drive it, diesels are better than petrol on the beach, apart from that petrol is the go.
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Working in the mining industry you see cars misused every day, there seems to be no doubt the Toyotas are the last ones to survive. Filling up a diesel vehicle can be a bad experience with diesel all over the gun so I can understand why to some people, that's not an option.
Ted 40,000km on the same oil just doesn't make sense, it would be interesting to see the oil when changed. It would be like two seasons on the RM with the same oil.
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That's the reason I bought Iveco.
I got sick and tired taking my Isuzu back to the dealer every 5,000 for a scheduled service at a cost of $650 minimum
The Iveco is $850 approx every 40,000. That's a saving of just under $4,500
They must be doing something right. Over 200,000 klms and no leaks, no oil usage, no problems and not one engine, gearbox, diff issue whatsoever.
It is chalk and cheese between Iveco and all other light trucks on the market. And get this, they are also cheaper to buy and standard body lengths are longer.
Once you've driven one of these you will never drive another cab over.
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To be honest [I don't want Teddyboy the Manly homo supporter] to get to big a head, I was looking at replacing my Transit van last year and after a lot of head scratching I came up with the Iveco, 2 reasons....they are bigger on the inside [van where talking] and for some unheard of reason [they are Italian remember] they seem to be quite reliable. Parts are dear and I don't go along with the 40k service intervals [a Euro thing....they do this because they don't want the old waste oil to get rid of and it is "cheaper" to own as a company vehicle......I would not leave oil in one for more than 20k's long running and short running 15k's]. All the other big vans have issues....some worse than others [and some of those same vehicles have no issues even after 350k's but that's not common]. We service occasionally Morgan and Wackers [Team Moto from 2 years ago] huge VW van....it's done just over 200k's, in that time [all under warranty even after it ran out], 1 x brand new 6 speed gearbox [8k], 2 x twin turbo set up [$9k x 2] 1 x 5 injectors [7.5k], that was just the majors and it has basically had 2 drivers all it's life. They are basically the Mercedes Sprinter with VW running gear. I have heard of similar stories with the Mercedes and Transit jumbo's, the Hiace is just a pig to drive and not that reliable.....most couriers are dumping them before 200k's are up as they start to fail, the Fiat and Renault have lot's of issues as well [Renault parts are cheap though....8k for a complete brand new motor]h. Give me one of those Yankie box vans....V8 turbo diesel [they last]....plenty of room to sleep and put the scooters in.
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40k oil changes are possible with no damage, just depends on how good the filtration is and how good the actual oil is that is put in it and how much wear you are will to accept.
My Dad had a Datsun 720 twin cab in 1980, I inherited it in 1988 with 100k on it and NEVER having had an oil change! He did of course top it up every time the light flickered on and off......I pulled the head off and bore was good, oh and he topped it up with the same oil we put in our Cessna fleet at the time, so good oil.
There are long haul trucks in the U.S. that are running their oil for 100k plus but they have more than one oil filter and those filters are changed a lot during the oils life and the oil (Mobil in the ones I know of) once removed is tested to assess the particles AND it costs about $50 a litre.
The other side of the coin with these "recommended" high oil mileages is that its going to be out of warranty and you will be paying for the repair or the new truck when it finally dies........
I'd be sticking to anything made in Thailand these days and hopefully a petrol. You also have to consider when and where you will want parts and servicing and what sort of back up the importer into Aus will give you. Ring around some lpg fitters and see what sort of problems they see with particular trucks you are looking at, you probably wont have a lot of choice if you want petrol and want lpg for economy, lpg for the latest type kits is $4000 plus to supply and fit.......or a couple problems with your diesel and you have spent 10 grand easily, dirty fuel if NOT covered by any sort of warranty and is very hard to recover from a fuel station, its usually takes a while buying cheap diesel from the little sites before problems start to come up. Petrol might not be as cheap to run kilometer for kilometer but is a safer choice IMO.
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I ran both an Iveco 45C13 cab chassis with a pantech type body on it and a Mercedes sprinter 308CDI Van when I had my bike transport business. I regularly did around 6000K's every run, always towing a trailer. Both were great on fuel and very reliable. The Iveco carried 7 bikes in the back and the trailer 6 bikes. I was full most of the time. The Sprinter van carried 3 bikes easily in the back (sometimes squeezed in 4 when the bikes were MXers) and also towed the trailer easily. Both would sit on the speed limit all day long and where driven hard up hill. Hey, speed equals time, time equaled money! I had to keep an eye on speed in the Iveco as it would get away on me. Great little truck. I did my own services and changed the oil after 10K, oil and filters every second change. Aftermarket filters are available for both makes and a heap cheaper than OEM. The Iveco ate brake pads. Around 40K's was all I could get from a set of pads but it carried serious weight everywhere. The Sprinter let me down once when a glow plug came loose in the middle of the night. Fixed in the morning and away I went. And I did drop a fan belt once as well.
End of the day, I sold both vehicles when I stopped trading. The Sprinter was sold to someone I know, had 450K's and is still going strong to this day. The Iveco had 380K's and was still going as new. It now carries an ultra light air craft around.
Moral to the story....Oil is cheap compared to engine failures so there is no way I would do 40K service intervals, even though the manual says to. I used Aussie made Nulon diesel in both vehicles and it came out reasonably clean after 10K's of hard driving.
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the guy wants a dual cab I think... ;D
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Moral to the story....Oil is cheap compared to engine failures so there is no way I would do 40K service intervals, even though the manual says to. I used Aussie made Nulon diesel in both vehicles and it came out reasonably clean after 10K's of hard driving.
That's the story allright, TBM. Oil IS cheaper than engine bits !!
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They run the same running gear mate [utes/vans].......it's the mechanicals that are the issue.
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OIL. No way would I do 40 k oil changes.I had a F 250 XLT 7.3 SUPERCAB,V8 POWERSTROKE DIESEL it was manufactured in Brazil, the engine was a IVECO NAVISTAR, it had 200k's plus on it when I sold it. I ran it on CALTEX DELO 400 MULTIGRADE 15/w40 oil, it took 15 litres with a filter, I did the oil changes myself at the recommended 7500 k's and bought the oil from a mate at around $110--120 for a 20 litre drum. I know if it went to the dealer it would have cost a fortune.
I changed the water pump once and it took 34 litres of water to fill it, I measured it by using 5 lt containers.The tub tray was 2.5 metres internal measured and carried 5 people.
I had blokes telling me to chip it up but didn't as it had more then enough mumbo. 170 KW AND 680 NM TORQUE from memory, it was nearly undriveable in the wet on hill starts and turning into streets unloaded.The vision out of it was fantastic, much better than run of the mill jap utes.
It was a great thing to have at the time but after 8 years it was time to move it on .My neighbours are happy as at the occasional 5 am start it was a noisy bugger, 14 l/100 on the highway at 110 kph.I know it was a
big toy but I loved it.
Dodge is now about to release what they call 1/2 ton utes V6 turbo diesel Cummins, and now Ford is going to follow. With the demise of Aust manufacturing we may be able to buy the type of utes we really want.
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Dodge is now about to release what they call 1/2 ton utes V6 turbo diesel Cummins, and now Ford is going to follow. With the demise of Aust manufacturing we may be able to buy the type of utes we really want.
Probably, we saw a new GMC with trader plates yesterday. Looked very nice.
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OK it is not a ute, but it is is a largish van with multiple seating that can removed in series. BUT hey it is built right here in Bendigo Victoria Australia!!! ;)
A couple of problems ,(1) the public does not seem to be able to purchase ...(2) Starts at $596878.00 arrr Crap that don't include the weapons either. :o
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The Bushmaster PMV.
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Well i'm glad its sorted then, Jim will drive a cab over full commercial. AND I thought he wanted a 4wd dual cab ute that the missus would drive?
Kt
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thanks guys but after some visits to dealers today all are out ex demo kluger is in 4x4 at least
she did like one d-22 Nissan but only in manual so that was out
jim
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Mate has a Kluger. Good choice
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thanks guys but after some visits to dealers today all are out ex demo kluger is in 4x4 at least
she did like one d-22 Nissan but only in manual so that was out
jim
ha ha, caved in jimbo ::), :P
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The US doesnt have the Ute and I think that most of them are really sharp looking vehicles. 97% of the pick up trucks on the road here never see anything heavier than perhaps some out door furniture once a season. And even less than that ever put them in 4wd. The popularity of trucks being driven by people that use them as cars has raised the prices to a crazy high level. If one of the big manufactures made them available I could see them selling big