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Clubroom => Vintage Track => Topic started by: Graeme M on January 22, 2014, 09:38:39 pm
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Guys I've been approached by Grant O'Brien who is doing a feature for Transmoto about the Troy Bayliss Classic. He's chasing some background info for a sidebar to the article about the track surface.
The sort of thing he's after is
"the origins of oiled tracks, how they came about, what's the purpose, benefits, when did they stop using oil, how many oiled tracks left in Oz etc".
I've offered up a little info but I thought the collective historical knowledge from this forum could help substantially. So, let's have it. Why DO we have oiled dirt tracks, do we know how they came about and what's the story these days?
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Graeme, Could you give me a call, re your post, on 48 345 291 Please ?
Foss
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Now? or tomorrow sometime, what suits you?
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Now would be fine , if that's ok with you, mate
Foss
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Hi Graeme, basically as I've heard it Short Circuit originally came about because of the lack of suitable road circuits, oil was used originally to keep the dust down then over time they found that when it became hard packed it was similar to a bitumen surface.
Foss would know better than me and I can put you onto Les Burdus who was a leading rider throughout that era.
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Hi Graeme, basically as I've heard it Short Circuit originally came about because of the lack of suitable road circuits, oil was used originally to keep the dust down then over time they found that when it became hard packed it was similar to a bitumen surface.
That's pretty much how I believe the oiled surface evolved. Back in the dark old days road racing was the king so dirt track oiled tracks became, in a way, road racings surrogate little brother...hence the name short circuit. The oiled surface is sadly becoming a thing of the past in these environmentally sensitive times.
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Yeah, thanks guys. Just talked to Foss who gave me the potted version. Gotta say I never knew it had arisen as 'Miniature TT'.
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Dust suppression. They used to use it on dirt roads in most regional areas due to the lack of available water and it's far superior as a dust suppressant. MA tried to delete all the oil tracks about 3 years ago and I think there are about 6 in NSW and 1 in Queensland. The Western NSW tracks don't have access to water hence they continue to use oil. Turns out it helps out with surface consistency as well, wether it be a hard packed surface or loose. IMO the best scenario is a hard packed base with 50mm loose oiled dirt on the surface.
Action Park Raceway was established in 1969 and oil has been used since it's beginnings. From my experience with the track and talking to the guys that work and maintain it the oil is generally no more than 1-2 inches deep despite ripping and tilling and pumping vast quantities of oil into the ground at much greater depths. When the oiled dirt is turned over i.e. the crust is broken it stinks like shit, this is likely due to the microbe activity gobbling up the petrochemicals. Having spent my working life building roads I would love to study the Action Park pavement (which would require many laps) to get the low down on what is really happening. The entire track outlets into the neighbours dam and there has never been any complaints as far as I am aware regarding contamination.
Long live loose oiled dirt tracks! :)
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Give me oil tracks anytime..............I hate WATER TRUCKS !! >:(
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Peter Baker / Wil Hagon
I have their numbers
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Thanks Steve, some interesting insights re Action Park. I've walked and ridden countless laps around there and similarly have never heard of any problems with contamination - it sure does make for a solid surface. The Three Hour used to break it up pretty bad with big patches wearing through the thin oil crust and waves building up in corners/braking areas.
Thanks too Graeme but at this stage I think we have enough info - Grant just needed some background for a short sidebar to the main feature article.
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Give me oil tracks anytime..............I hate WATER TRUCKS !! >:(
I'm with you on that, Alvin !!
Foss
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Hard packed tracks def have a place in the natural development of riders from DT to Road Racing.
But in my opinion loose oiled tracks like Griffith have the formula spot on, I never really enjoyed the hard packed surface.
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I didn't really like the surface at Griffith when I rode there in the titles 2? yrs ago but my bike didn't keep going long enough to do any more than one race. However if I had a bit more laps under my belt and a bit more pressure in the back tyre possibly I would have liked it!
cheers
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Graeme, how'd ya go with the Epistle according to St. Foss ? was it what ya wanted ?
Foss
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I hear what both Slidz and Pancho are saying, but really, set your gearing/tyres/head for whatever surface ya ridin' on and Bob's ya Uncle, I didn't mind riding on whatever track, Griffith was the all-time favourite, but the Wyalong was like tar in places, loved it, Yass was loose deco, loved it. Wabanumba, Young was something else,bloody fast !! a top track.
Foss
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I loved Griffith and the OLD Temora track, which was longer and faster...........My favourite track was Amaroo Park........ 8)
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My favourite track was Amaroo Park
Me too....and Broadford.
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My favourite track was Amaroo Park
Me too....and Broadford.
Interesting... ::)......I'm entering for Broadford tomorrow..... ::) 8)
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See you gents there.
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On the matter of history, can someone give me a potted version of who John Langfield is and his expertise? I mean, I know who he is and that he was a top rider back in the day, but I don't really know that much about him. I'm after just a few paragraphs that sum up who he is and his authority/expertise in dirt track.
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Give John a call he will put it in his own words
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One of his old solos is in the Nabiac Museum.
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On the matter of history, can someone give me a potted version of who John Langfield is and his expertise? I mean, I know who he is and that he was a top rider back in the day, but I don't really know that much about him. I'm after just a few paragraphs that sum up who he is and his authority/expertise in dirt track.
If you are looking for 'anecdotes' there is no shortage!! Especially from those blokes who rode through the '60s short circuit!
cheers pancho.
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On the matter of history, can someone give me a potted version of who John Langfield is and his expertise? I mean, I know who he is and that he was a top rider back in the day, but I don't really know that much about him. I'm after just a few paragraphs that sum up who he is and his authority/expertise in dirt track.
Langy ?? A few paragraphs ??? Bloody hell, you'd need a Library !!! Brilliant coaching kids, a hard man on the track, I've seen a side of Langy that few see, a VERY complex man and a proud Aussie, he always gets up me for being a Pom, one of the Old Enemy !!
Foss
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Langy ?? A few paragraphs ??? Bloody hell, you'd need a Library !!! Brilliant coaching kids, a hard man on the track, I've seen a side of Langy that few see, a VERY complex man and a proud Aussie, he always gets up me for being a Pom, one of the Old Enemy !!
Foss
I know it's got bugger all to do with the thread subject but I just had a giggle to myself recalling Langy's dummy spit at the Griffith dirt track Nats which led to him sulking in his car, watching old Mr Bean episodes on his laptop. Fluck that was funny Foss ;D ;D
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Langy ?? A few paragraphs ??? Bloody hell, you'd need a Library !!! Brilliant coaching kids, a hard man on the track, I've seen a side of Langy that few see, a VERY complex man and a proud Aussie, he always gets up me for being a Pom, one of the Old Enemy !!
Foss
I know it's got bugger all to do with the thread subject but I just had a giggle to myself recalling Langy's dummy spit at the Griffith dirt track Nats which led to him sulking in his car, watching old Mr Bean episodes on his laptop. Fluck that was funny Foss ;D ;D
I remember that episode ;D ;D
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Yeah, well I guess that incident is part of Dirt Track history, eh? Firko, there was a bit more unseen goin' on there, too.
Foss