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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: crash n bern on November 22, 2013, 07:02:31 pm
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I came to the conclusion, (Despite my better half telling me for years that I have a problem) that I suffer from OCD when it comes to hoarding and collecting. It seems that a lot on this forum suffer the same by the number of bikes and unfinished projects they have stuffed in sheds. As a mate said when he walked into my shed for the first time. "Oh, your one of those blokes that never sell anything".
It really hit home for me a few years back when the missus was in hospital having our daughter and I raced out and bought a late model dirt bike. It sat in the shed for over a year before I got the time to ride it. Thing is I forgot to sell the bike it replaced. I realised that it had to stop and I needed to focus on what I had and not what I didn't have. The only bike I have bought since was for my son. I'm still struggling to stop buying parts for projects that may never see the light of day.
But it is a hard disorder to totally conquer. My son has become interested in fishing which has rekindled my interest in it. After snapping the handle off a new reel, I started searching for old Dam and Mitchell reels. Now I'm hoarding vintage fishing gear. I'm trying to control it by by setting a price limit and only grabbing bargains for beer money. And it does feel good to have a 40 year old hand made rod with a German or French crafted reel for less than you can buy a Chinese junk combo from K mart.
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This is my problem and Im going to keep it . Ive heard a few members on here saying that blokes like me should sell off our hoards and that we are not community minded by limiting the supply for others . Ive worked hard to find and collect my stash , I don't follow other sports bikes are my life . If you want old bikes or parts dig them out they are out there . Iain . ps crash n bern there is nothing wrong with you would your better half prefer you out at the pub or home playing in the shed .
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Ist post is day-jar-voo for me. Even to the extent that I have been making the Tinnie sea worthy for fishing again(need to teach the grand children how to hunt, gather and provide).
But just like Ian, I love motorcycles. My idea of retirement has always been to tinker, modify, restore and ride motorcycles.
I have no desire to waste my time or money by smoking, gambling, drugging or hanging of the local bar.
I don't consider it to be a waste when I score another missing piece of each bike puzzle :) It gives me highs, I am loving it. Wouldn't be dead for quids :)
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I prefer to call it FORESIGHT Crash ;D
Sounds better ;)
People tell me I'me a hoarder but they come to me when they want something fixed and they always ignore where I get the parts.
Those bits you are buying Crash may never come up again so grab them while you can ;)
Advert on local radio up here "quote " At Yukan**a retirement village all we do is eat , sleep and socialize . ::)
I hope to die in my shed surrounded by my hoardings
Just scored a little Steelite [ made in Sydney] side cast reel which looks just like my Alvey side cast reel ;D
Collect everything because you never know when you will need it.
You probable bought this up on the wrong forum Crash.
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I prefer to call it FORESIGHT Crash ;D
Sounds better ;)
People tell me I'me a hoarder but they come to me when they want something fixed and they always ignore where I get the parts.
Those bits you are buying Crash may never come up again so grab them while you can ;)
Advert on local radio up here "quote " At Yukan**a retirement village all we do is eat , sleep and socialize . ::)
I hope to die in my shed surrounded by my hoardings
Just scored a little Steelite [ made in Sydney] side cast reel which looks just like my Alvey side cast reel ;D
Collect everything because you never know when you will need it.
You probable bought this up on the wrong forum Crash.
Mike52
A man of great vision and foresight,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I bow 8)
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I was coming home from the tip with an empty trailer (Curse those scavenging laws) and came across a load of dumped concrete rubble at the edge of the conservation park. So I stopped and loaded it up. Yes I'm hoarding concrete rubble. As I dig through it I find a big pile of old bricks, nice ones too, so on they go. Had enough bricks to pave around the pool area. (Bricks are around $2,500 per 1000 now) As for the concrete rubble I plan to build a retaining wall out of it and cover it in concrete to make a faux rock wall.
Hoarding does have it's benefits. I can make or fix just about anything without having to go to the hardware. And it's good when everything you used was free. You just had to hang on to it for 30 years waiting for that day.
In the Eric Bana film loving the beast he asked Doctor Phil about his dad who had a Ford Thunderbird in his shed but never drove it and refused to sell it. Dr Phil said that it was just knowing that it was there, that gave his father the comfort. Which is so true. Sometimes if I'm busy, I'll just pop into the shed for a sec and just look at my bikes. Or lately just pick up a fishing rod and give it a flick or crank the reel.
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I'm a hoarder and I really don't like it. My problem is that my passion for obscure aftermarket framed bikes has become so over the top that I've got enough projects to keep me going for the next five or six years, maybe longer. Until I got sick a couple of years ago I could easily restore or builld two or three bikes a year but since the meltdown I can only pump out one a year if I'm lucky. The lack of preparation on my Cheney at the Nats pissed me off big time as I should have been concentrating wholly on getting it going properly over the last year instead of getting side tracked onto the 360 Yamaha flat tracker and the two Hindall Yamahas. What I ended up with in the end was, instead of having one nicely sorted Cheney I had two poorly prepped race Yamahas that both shit themselves, a flat tracker that's yet to see dirt and two still unfinished Hindalls. I've now seen the light and won't allow myself to fall into that trap any more, I'm going to concentrate on one bike at a time from here on in and not allow myself to get side tracked on other projects. I'm putting six half built or unstarted projects...ie, two Triumphs, Maico Metisse, two Yamaha Hindalls , 305 Honda dirt track framer and the Fasttrack framed TM250 short tracker in storage so I concentrate all of my efforts into finishing the OW72 750 Yamaha in time for HBBB next Easter. I'll also keep the Cheney Yamaha and Hindall Ducati pre 65 bikes in the shed as they only need minor sorting for next years race program. The TM400 is in the process of being sold, my restored DT1 looks like it's soon to go to a new home, and my rat bike DT1 is possibly going to the loving home of a mate as a long term loaner. That leaves the IT250 vinduro bike and my beloved 350 Maico and 250 Maico trials bike tucked away in the garden shed. Right now my main shed is an absolute shit fight and it annoys me to the hilt. I love building bikes, it's my hobby for god sake, but I don't want to end up with bike on top of bike and parts scattered everywhere like some guys I know. It's starting to do my head in :o.
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mark, you need to get your priority right, you keep on telling me, you are a hoarder, i am not, l grew up in a family that where big time hoarders, what you see on pickers, thats what it was like for me. you need to sell a few bikes Mark, and just be contented with a couple of shed queens and a couple of full on raced prep bikes. I will look after Tony.C next year.
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I will only add one more comment . " He who dies with the most shxt wins ".
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And there's bikes on the rebound..........Didn't get the one you wanted ; So you end up buying something completely inappropriate . p
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And there's bikes on the rebound..........Didn't get the one you wanted ; So you end up buying something completely inappropriate . p
And what about driving six hours to look at a bike that's an overpriced POS and you buy it anyway to justify the trip.
I have to agree with Firko I'm at the point that I can't walk through either of my two sheds without tripping on stuff or getting jammed in the ribs by handlebars. The other day I knocked over a tin of paint that burst open. I just had to walk away. Yeah, I hoard half tins of paint.
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I wish I hade that problem I look at something I like then talk myself out of it and kick myself latter I got 2 bikes kdx 175 yz 250 my son is riding the yz this year
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I have it bad :( and i want out .
Any offers ?????
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And what about driving six hours to look at a bike that's an overpriced POS and you buy it anyway to justify the trip.
I have to agree with Firko I'm at the point that I can't walk through either of my two sheds without tripping on stuff or getting jammed in the ribs by handlebars. The other day I knocked over a tin of paint that burst open. I just had to walk away. Yeah, I hoard half tins of paint.
I am glad I'm not the only one....and how come a thing is not worth what I paid for it when it comes time to sell.p
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mark, you need to get your priority right, you keep on telling me, you are a hoarder, i am not, l grew up in a family that where big time hoarders, what you see on pickers, thats what it was like for me. you need to sell a few bikes Mark, and just be contented with a couple of shed queens and a couple of full on raced prep bikes. I will look after Tony.C next year.
Absolutely Dave, my ideal is to have two good dirt trackers, two motocross bikes and a couple of Classic Dirt only bikes but for one flaw in the program........While most folks on here's hobby is to actually race their bikes, my hobby is actually building them. If I limit my collection to the numbers I mentioned earlier, a bike would have to go on the market every time I finish a new project. The problem here is in deciding which bikes actually leave the family to keep the numbers under control......I have affection for most of the projects and there's a reason for all of their construction so which one goes?.....I don't race motocross any more so it's logical that the motocross tackle is sold off and I keep the dirt trackers that I potentially ride but, which motocrossers go? As I said earlier, it does my head in ::)
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mark, you need to get your priority right, you keep on telling me, you are a hoarder, i am not, l grew up in a family that where big time hoarders, what you see on pickers, thats what it was like for me. you need to sell a few bikes Mark, and just be contented with a couple of shed queens and a couple of full on raced prep bikes. I will look after Tony.C next year.
Absolutely Dave, my ideal is to have two good dirt trackers, two motocross bikes and a couple of Classic Dirt only bikes but for one flaw in the program........While most folks on here's hobby is to actually race their bikes, my hobby is actually building them. If I limit my collection to the numbers I mentioned earlier, a bike would have to go on the market every time I finish a new project. The problem here is in deciding which bikes actually leave the family to keep the numbers under control......I have affection for most of the projects and there's a reason for all of their construction so which one goes?.....I don't race motocross any more so it's logical that the motocross tackle is sold off and I keep the dirt trackers that I potentially ride but, which motocrossers go? As I said earlier, it does my head in ::)
Yes its just like ,"Sophies choice".p Sorry cant do the coloured thing.
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Yep, I too am a hoarder of anything that might be useful someday. I'm lucky in the sense that I have the room but even with that considered, the stash does get a bit overwhelming at times. I have driven for over 6 hours to collect a bike from evil bay that was nothing like the description of it and I still came home with it, albeit at a cheaper price. It was (still is) a pile of poo sitting in the back of 1 of my Bedford vans that is waiting to get a restoration as well. The other Bedford is full of mini XR and CR parts. I have motors stashed under benches. Frames and pipes hanging from the rafters and wheels of various condition and make stashed in the main shed. More frames and 2 bikes in the garden shed along with heaps of timber, star pickets and various other "goodies".... There's a 1989 HSV Calais sitting under a cover in the shed, 8 complete and running bikes with another 5 waiting restoration lined up along the wall. The B44 is up on the work bench as we speak. Luckily I just sold one of the projects to a forum member a couple of weeks ago. Thanks Kevin :D
I have restored quite a few over the last few years ( IT's, PE's, CR's and XR's) and let them go to new homes. At one stage there I had all the 1984 Honda CR's (restored or good originals) and an XR500.
It all came to head when I realised I just couldn't keep everything AND afford to build the bikes I had in waiting. If I could afford to keep all of them, I wouldn't have the time to do the restorations as I'd always be at work to get me more money so I could buy more "things".....
Now I'm on a mission to build a bike for every era of VMX. I've got my pre70 B44( in progress), Pre75 B50, Pre75 MT/CR250M, Pre78 XL 420 Hybrid, Evo CR250RZ and then a pre85 bike to build. I don't know whether to build a four stroke racer from the XR500 and CR parts or just restore the CR250RE....
Yep, it is a Compulsive Disorder......But I wouldn't have it any other way ::)
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I have it bad also but not just bikes I gather all sorts of things, usually goes something like this ( " i had /or wanted one of those when I was younger") seems to justify it. Lucky her indoors is cool about it ( except the race cars) she wont forget when Id buy $800 in rally tires and give her $50 to run the house!!! and I only earnt $300 per week ;D
So when does being a collector become a hoarder? there must be a point that tips the scales to complete insanity :o
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"Hoarding", "OCD", "Disorder"....don't be so hard on yourselves.
Conservationist's is what you are, all up for a Nobel prize soon. ;)
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"Hoarding", "OCD", "Disorder"....don't be so hard on yourselves.
Conservationist's is what you are, all up for a Nobel prize soon. ;)
Awesome, whats the prize?
I hope its another bike ;D
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I heard a scarecrow won the nobel peace prize.............."He was out standing in his field.p
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An obsession become a real problem when everything needs to be done in a minimum of pairs or a full series.
Let me show you what I mean and how expensive it becomes
1. Collecting pairs like a pair of KX motocross bikes from same year ( still relatively cheap)
2. Collecting every model since 1973 ie Honda's
3. Making sure everything you have collected is restored properly from ground up
4. Running a team of race bikes for yourself and or a mate or two
Please say a prayer for me and my problem
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I have it bad also but not just bikes I gather all sorts of things, usually goes something like this ( " i had /or wanted one of those when I was younger") seems to justify it.
Oh yeah, I started collecting Timpo cowboys for my son because I loved them as a kid. Then realised he doesn't watch westerns so wont get it. Plus they have become that collectible they're to valuable to let him feed them to the lawnmower. I started collecting Meccano to add to my old set for him. Then heard him ask mum why dad's Meccano is so old and crappy. He's still too young for it but he does get me to build cool cars for him to play with. It dawned on me that today's kids aren't all that interested in yesterdays toys anyway. But he is starting to show some construction interest so the Meccano may just get used by him yet.
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my kids show to much interest in my beer in fridge mayed there not kids anymore sh#t when did thay grow up musta missed that
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Hoarding? bad word!!Think of it as projects for the future.Got to have something to do later in life.I have a modest collection of BSA unit singles (and a few other bikes)and I love them.Only becomes an issue if you NEVER do anything with them.As long as you can pay the rent you might as well indulge yourself.How often do you hear"I had one of those once or Gee's I'd like one of them again"but that's all some folks do is "wish".Enjoy while you can.Life is full of unexpected surprises so keep collecting and keep building bigger sheds.
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Hoarding? bad word!!Think of it as projects for the future.Got to have something to do later in life.I have a modest collection of BSA unit singles (and a few other bikes)and I love them.Only becomes an issue if you NEVER do anything with them.As long as you can pay the rent you might as well indulge yourself.How often do you hear"I had one of those once or Gee's I'd like one of them again"but that's all some folks do is "wish".Enjoy while you can.Life is full of unexpected surprises so keep collecting and keep building bigger sheds.
Denial is the early stage of the disorder. When the square footage of your shed space is more than double the size of your family's living space and you can't walk into said shed. Then some re evauluation may be in order.
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To be very boring and serious...
My mother in law is a hoarder. She lives alone (surprise surprise...) in a house that has four bedrooms and a study, but there so much crap there that I feel claustrophobic when I'm there.
PLUS she's got crap in a storage unit that she can't afford... And still tries to bring crap up to our place "because you've got so much room". Those of you who have seen my shed will understand how ridiculous her place must be.
Personally, I've always been limited by space and money, so when we began to earn enough to buy a place with a big shed (7x9m + mezzanine), a 12x5m machinery shed, and a 7x3m converted stable, all on an acre, I went a bit beserk, and overfilled the place... I think my worst was 45 bikes and 42 cars...
After a while, I realised that:
A) Even if I lived to 150 years old, I was never going to finish all o the projects I had;
B) Despite my best efforts, stuff was deteriorating;
C) I was sick and tired of tripping over stuff;
D) The effort of keeping track of it all was really quite draining;
E) There was a hell of a lot of money tied up in all of these unfinished projects;
F) These unfinished projects were draining a lot of my income, which stopped me doing stuff that I wanted to do;
G) There was no way I could use all of them anyhow (I owned seven Pre-75 250s and five Pre-78 125s at once, for example...).
H) I was basically turning into my mother-in-law...
I had all of the excuses, of course: "If I sell this, I'll never find another one", "I bought it to save it", "I always wanted one of these", "The old stuff is cooler", etc etc, but something had to give - so I started selling stuff - some of it was just junk, some of it definitely wasn't...
My wife even objected: "You will never find another one", and stuff like that.
But you know what? Having less "stuff" is a huge relief, and I haven't regretted a single sale.
There's still a long way to go, and the juiciest fruit has already gone, so progress is slower and more difficult, but I can live with that.
We're ahead on the mortgage, I've been able to afford two brand new bikes since 2011, I have more time to spend with the family, the Wife is happier, the kids have more space, I've got a lot more financial flexibility, the neighbours are happier, and because of all of this, I get to ride more often.
I never considered myself mentally ill, but my mental health has definitely improved since I have recognised that my collection was simply cluttering up my life.
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The one thing that you can count on when unloading your "excess stuff" is that once its gone your gunna need it ;)
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Oh, and...
If it really is about "saving" something, then drag it home and advertise it straight away. Most of us will know someone who could actually use it - a quick phone call or an ad on OzVMX will usually find it a deserving home without you needing to drag more shit home.
Alternatively, saving it can mean that you fix it and then fork it off to a new home.
A lot of the time, I found that owning it scratched my itch. Surprisingly often, what I was really buying was just the opportunity to ride a particular bike. The ownership is important, but only in regard to being able to take full responsibility for it - to set it up how you want, to not have to worry about damaging someone else's bike, etc. This doesn't mean that you need to own it forever.
Projects are important for most of us. I can't imagine a time when I don't have a project in the shed - I'm not advocating that sterile shed where every bike is under a sheet, ready to go. But having twenty five unstarted/half finished projects messes with your head. I've one active bike project, two "waiting in the wings" projects and another two or three "could become a project bike if I want to" projects ATM - and if I'm honest, that's too many.
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The one thing that you can count on when unloading your "excess stuff" is that once its gone your gunna need it ;)
How true,I sold off a fair bit of "excess" BSA parts to a fellow that was building up a "Desert Racer" and sure enough when the next project was under way I found that "I should have kept that bit"as it actually would have been of use.Denial-obssesion,call it what you like, each to their own.Recently had the pleasure to go to a elderly gents place in Wangaratta to see his COLLECTION of motorcycles.He would've had no less than 20 road-race bikes(all running)sidecars and a couple of old speedway bikes.His massive shed was full of bikes and parts.He derived a great deal of pleasure from sharing with other people what he had.No ego-no trying to sell anything,just sharing his interest in old bikes.If it causes somebody grief then unload stuff by all means but if it brings you joy, hoard away.Today will be a good day for me as I'm going to fire up a long term project for the first time.
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A) Even if I lived to 150 years old, I was never going to finish all o the projects I had;
B) Despite my best efforts, stuff was deteriorating;
C) I was sick and tired of tripping over stuff;
D) The effort of keeping track of it all was really quite draining;
E) There was a hell of a lot of money tied up in all of these unfinished projects;
F) These unfinished projects were draining a lot of my income, which stopped me doing stuff that I wanted to do;
G) There was no way I could use all of them anyhow (I owned seven Pre-75 250s and five Pre-78 125s at once, for example...).
H) I was basically turning into my mother-in-law...
I can readily identify with all of these except H :). 'B' really came to my attention when I took the cover off my perfectly restored DT1 that had been on the cover of OBA and had done the full show circuit on the Yamaha Australia stand to help celebrate Yamaha's 50th birthday back in 2005. I've never ridden the bike and it was in ship shape nick when I covered it with a proper bike cover a few years ago. When I recently uncovered it I couldn't believe how much it had deteriorated, the chrome has gone dull, alloy had oxidised, paint has lost its lustre and the bike in general looked a bit ordinary. When my beloved 350 Maico was parked under a similar cover in the garden shed after it shit a big end at HBBB a couple of years ago it was in nice 'as raced' shape. However, after two years in hibernation much of the rubber has deteriorated, surface rust has started growing where paint had been chipped/scraped and the engine outer cases had oxidised to the point that my favourite bike now looks like a real piece of shit. The downfall of these bikes has prompted me to reassess just what I want to do with my bike stash. I have a mate wanting the DT1 so he may just get it in the near future and I think its time to get the Maico up and race ready again. I really don't want to have any more Garage Queens that self destruct without even moving. The Boyd and Stellings TM400 has been sold and the Hindall Ducati, which was fast turning to crap as well, its nickel frame is looking pretty dull and the engine is sitting in pieces in a recycle bin will now be prepared for next years Nats and the pre 65 250 class. Engine builder to the stars, Frank Stanborough will get the motor sometime this week.
From here on in a bike has to earn its keep. That doesn't mean I'm having a fire sale to get rid of the unridden, it means that more of them will see race track action than in the past. Even my dear old Jag which hasn't been driven in months will get a new exhaust system and seriously overdue brake overhaul and will be used more regularly.
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After a while, I realised that:
A) Even if I lived to 150 years old, I was never going to finish all o the projects I had;
B) Despite my best efforts, stuff was deteriorating;
C) I was sick and tired of tripping over stuff;
D) The effort of keeping track of it all was really quite draining;
E) There was a hell of a lot of money tied up in all of these unfinished projects;
F) These unfinished projects were draining a lot of my income, which stopped me doing stuff that I wanted to do;
G) There was no way I could use all of them anyhow (I owned seven Pre-75 250s and five Pre-78 125s at once, for example...).
H) I was basically turning into my mother-in-law...
I had all of the excuses, of course: "If I sell this, I'll never find another one", "I bought it to save it", "I always wanted one of these", "The old stuff is cooler", etc etc, but something had to give - so I started selling stuff - some of it was just junk, some of it definitely wasn't...
My wife even objected: "You will never find another one", and stuff like that.
But you know what? Having less "stuff" is a huge relief, and I haven't regretted a single sale.
There's still a long way to go, and the juiciest fruit has already gone, so progress is slower and more difficult, but I can live with that.
We're ahead on the mortgage, I've been able to afford two brand new bikes since 2011, I have more time to spend with the family, the Wife is happier, the kids have more space, I've got a lot more financial flexibility, the neighbours are happier, and because of all of this, I get to ride more often.
I never considered myself mentally ill, but my mental health has definitely improved since I have recognised that my collection was simply cluttering up my life.
Nathan has summed up how i feel ATM :(
A absolutely
B Definetly
C Not an issue ATM (but im always moving stuff around and i have enough plastic stacka bin to build a temporary shelter )
D Yep
E Probably but i dont want to think about it
F Used to but ATM its all on hold
G Multiples of my favorites in different stages of broken
H I am turning into Nathan ;D
Other people visit and although i have way less than i used to they still think its really cool :o they don't know the reality of it ::)
A mate who is currently going through the purging process (albeit on a smaller scale ) said to me " Our problem is we have been collecting for years and so the volume creeps up on you . If someone brought all this around on a couple of trucks in one day , you would say fork off thats way too much"
The same bloke reiterated what Nathan said that as hes reducing the clutter he is enjoying what he has a lot more .
As with most things it comes down to coin , 5 yrs ago i had a lot more expendable income so buying parts and paying for outwork was easy , but now i have to think about what im spending more .
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H I am turning into Nathan ;D
You should start to REALLY worry at this point Bill :o :o :P
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G,day viewers just like to add my 10 cents. I,m a hoarder of everything. I have built my own furniture from scrap wood I also have my eyes out all the time for anything. I put it down to not having a good cash flow most of everything I have is from a situation of someone not wanting it or a tip find. My wages are pathetic and I work three different jobs. But I live in a real nice coastal area so I take the good with the bad. All of my bikes were non runners when I,ve picked them up and some take a longe time to see the light of day. Who cares if I finish them or not before I die my son will deal with it then. Jimson
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I spent a short time living in a trendy inner city suburb. The council collection week nearly drove me out of my mind. I couldn't believe the amount of what looked to be good lawnmowers on the nature strip. Probably nothing wrong with them that a new plug wouldn't fix. Being a well to do area it was probably easier for them to just buy a new mower. I saw three in one street alone, took every bit of control not to go into the used mower hoarding business.
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Yes a few years ago I couldn't believe it when I saw a top end, high capacity "Made in Germany" "Weed Eater" whipper-sipper on the nature strip. Took it home, cleaned the tank and carby out, put a new plug in it. Years later, still hasn't missed a beat, leaves my six previous anti-Christs for dead. Thank fug the world is full of useless Dumb C***s I reckon.
Even found a 84 600 Yammie out there with its engine in a basket once, stuck it straight on ebay, pulled $375.
I have mixed feelings about them cancelling the clean-ups in our area :( ::) :'( ;D :)
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They stopped them to get you off the street Mick ;D
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They stopped them to get you off the street Mick ;D
;D ;D ;D
Hey Ted, got something to keep you of the streets, Pete(Yamaico) could do with some Tenacious help in regards his B40.
You de Man, no doubting that ;D
I heard a whisper once,,,doesn't matter till you on the podium :o
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Oh, and...
If it really is about "saving" something, then drag it home and advertise it straight away. Most of us will know someone who could actually use it - a quick phone call or an ad on OzVMX will usually find it a deserving home without you needing to drag more shit home.
Alternatively, saving it can mean that you fix it and then fork it off to a new home.
A lot of the time, I found that owning it scratched my itch. Surprisingly often, what I was really buying was just the opportunity to ride a particular bike. The ownership is important, but only in regard to being able to take full responsibility for it - to set it up how you want, to not have to worry about damaging someone else's bike, etc. This doesn't mean that you need to own it forever.
Projects are important for most of us. I can't imagine a time when I don't have a project in the shed - I'm not advocating that sterile shed where every bike is under a sheet, ready to go. But having twenty five unstarted/half finished projects messes with your head. I've one active bike project, two "waiting in the wings" projects and another two or three "could become a project bike if I want to" projects ATM - and if I'm honest, that's too many.
And here pretty much exactly sums up Dave Alsop, so why is it that he's persecuted to almost a criminal level when does so?? :-\
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Oh, and...
If it really is about "saving" something, then drag it home and advertise it straight away. Most of us will know someone who could actually use it - a quick phone call or an ad on OzVMX will usually find it a deserving home without you needing to drag more shit home.
Alternatively, saving it can mean that you fix it and then fork it off to a new home.
A lot of the time, I found that owning it scratched my itch. Surprisingly often, what I was really buying was just the opportunity to ride a particular bike. The ownership is important, but only in regard to being able to take full responsibility for it - to set it up how you want, to not have to worry about damaging someone else's bike, etc. This doesn't mean that you need to own it forever.
Projects are important for most of us. I can't imagine a time when I don't have a project in the shed - I'm not advocating that sterile shed where every bike is under a sheet, ready to go. But having twenty five unstarted/half finished projects messes with your head. I've one active bike project, two "waiting in the wings" projects and another two or three "could become a project bike if I want to" projects ATM - and if I'm honest, that's too many.
And here pretty much exactly sums up Dave Alsop, so why is it that he's persecuted to almost a criminal level when does so?? :-\
I don't bloody think so.
I recently sold a project for which I've been collecting parts for about 4yrs. Due to other circumstances it had to go, but I'm not happy about it. Your mate buys and sells stuff on a weekly basis. I've mentioned why his behaviour gives me the shits on another thread. If he hasn't already deleted it you can read it there.
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Oh, and...
If it really is about "saving" something, then drag it home and advertise it straight away. Most of us will know someone who could actually use it - a quick phone call or an ad on OzVMX will usually find it a deserving home without you needing to drag more shit home.
Alternatively, saving it can mean that you fix it and then fork it off to a new home.
A lot of the time, I found that owning it scratched my itch. Surprisingly often, what I was really buying was just the opportunity to ride a particular bike. The ownership is important, but only in regard to being able to take full responsibility for it - to set it up how you want, to not have to worry about damaging someone else's bike, etc. This doesn't mean that you need to own it forever.
Projects are important for most of us. I can't imagine a time when I don't have a project in the shed - I'm not advocating that sterile shed where every bike is under a sheet, ready to go. But having twenty five unstarted/half finished projects messes with your head. I've one active bike project, two "waiting in the wings" projects and another two or three "could become a project bike if I want to" projects ATM - and if I'm honest, that's too many.
And here pretty much exactly sums up Dave Alsop, so why is it that he's persecuted to almost a criminal level when does so?? :-\
Well since you made the mistake of asking,its because he is a liar and a thief to start with. His low intelligence gets him caught out at every corner.
Specifically, in here, he insults our intelligence with his next keeper ( his words). Puts it up here, gets valuable info from other forum members then promptly sells the " keeper" and deletes the thread along with all info.
He uses low tactics to purchase bikes that would not normally have been sold except for his buying techniques. For eg, my dead brother used to race one back in the day, I want to buy it for my poor son who has certain issues or other forms of pulling on a guys heart strings to which the bike is sold to him and promptly sold on for a profit.
Even more specifically I have had a bike he wanted from me that he always wanted, with a big spiel as to why he wanted it and how he was going to race it blah blah. Then promptly sold the bike. Don't care that he on sold it but why the fuc k would he tell me a load of bull shit in the lead up. An insult to my intelligence.
Even more specifically, a rare frame was accidentally sent to him instead of me and rather than telling the sender whom he also did dealings with hence the mix up, he promptly sold the frame on eBay to a friend and fellow queensland vmxer. This had the potential to blow up in all our faces, but luckily the people that were sold the frame gave it back to me and they were reimbursed by Dave... After the fact of being busted. Kinda like robbing a bank and when caught saying ' no harm, no foul'. Doesn't quite wash.
So I hope this answers your question.
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They stopped them to get you off the street Mick ;D
;D ;D ;D
Hey Ted, got something to keep you of the streets, Pete(Yamaico) could do with some Tenacious help in regards his B40.
You de Man, no doubting that ;D
I heard a whisper once,,,doesn't matter till you on the podium :o
If Pete believes he is right, pursue it relentlessly. Read, read and read more about it. In the end he will know more about it than the rule makers and so called experts. Avoid opinions on here at all costs. When he has sufficient knowledge on it use the forum to whip up a frenzy of " not you again "
" not this same shit again " " cheating bastard ". " this has been discussed 1000 times " Present it at a meet and force their hand to act on it.
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They stopped them to get you off the street Mick ;D
;D ;D ;D
Hey Ted, got something to keep you of the streets, Pete(Yamaico) could do with some Tenacious help in regards his B40.
You de Man, no doubting that ;D
I heard a whisper once,,,doesn't matter till you on the podium :o
If Pete believes he is right, pursue it relentlessly. Read, read and read more about it. In the end he will know more about it than the rule makers and so called experts. Avoid opinions on here at all costs. When he has sufficient knowledge on it use the forum to whip up a frenzy of " not you again "
" not this same shit again " " cheating bastard ". " this has been discussed 1000 times " Present it at a meet and force their hand to act on it.
Hey Ted, don't get me wrong about the snipe, "you said you were not going to mention this again Ted" it was a joke ;D
I am proud of you, I will always be chinning glasses and grinning about that historical moment, even if I get oltimmers memory disease. I don't want to rob Liam of his recognition. He delivered the icing to a great lead up ;D :)
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Actually I am loving this hoarding thing(as long as no one calls that hoarders show).
A few months ago I bought a new container.
The fit-out was then delayed by a new job. Then forfeited job, and unable to finish fit-out because of busted shoulder.
Upside, OK enough now, whilst the weather is fine I am back working on the Hoardanizzer.
Hope to have it finished in a few days(week ::)).
With heavy Gal angles inside purlins to stiffen them.
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They will latter support a tropical roof to protect against daily heat and nightly condensation.
Vents sealed, and de-humidifier fitted.
Load rated to support internal 12mm all thread droppers to suspend gal 50mm angle. That will support the front edge of internal upper side shelving.
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The idea is that it will use upper suspended space down each side that would be other wise lost.
My project roller dungers will go underneath. They will have their handlebars and their foot pegs removed. That will allow them to be packed in like sardines under the suspended shelves, with lounge cushions of the council clean up between them, to protect them from each other. A short piece of 22mm pipe through their bar mounts to provide steering maneuverability.
An upper suspended wheel and tyre rack is part of the right hand shelving arrangement.
I have so far purchased $600 worth of these type of nylon fish boxes, more to come.
(http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv132/mc125mick/2013-11-25202129_zpsd58f1f8b.jpg~original)
The fish boxes fit in the upper shelves for project sorting etc.
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They stopped them to get you off the street Mick ;D
;D ;D ;D
Hey Ted, got something to keep you of the streets, Pete(Yamaico) could do with some Tenacious help in regards his B40.
You de Man, no doubting that ;D
I heard a whisper once,,,doesn't matter till you on the podium :o
If Pete believes he is right, pursue it relentlessly. Read, read and read more about it. In the end he will know more about it than the rule makers and so called experts. Avoid opinions on here at all costs. When he has sufficient knowledge on it use the forum to whip up a frenzy of " not you again "
" not this same shit again " " cheating bastard ". " this has been discussed 1000 times " Present it at a meet and force their hand to act on it.
Hey Ted, don't get me wrong about the snipe, "you said you were not going to mention this again Ted" it was a joke ;D
I am proud of you, I will always be chinning glasses and grinning about that historical moment, even if I get oltimmers memory disease. I don't want to rob Liam of his recognition. He delivered the icing to a great lead up ;D :)
I didn't mention it Mick, but I believe there is a world wide hunt for wider gape chain adjusters for a certain model ;D It would be a savvy bloke that decided to hoard them ;)
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I guess that every one thinks that we are all in it for the same reason and there are quite a few that have different motives for having bikes believe it or not I don't understand it but they probably don't understand the guys like me that value bikes more than money.
That and any of the following isn't directed on any member here just a generalisation unless you feel you fall into that category but whatever floats your boat I don't care if some one enjoys buying and selling bikes.
I am just an enthusiast and I don't care if it costs me a lot I don't work on my bikes to sell them I don't get to ride any where near as much as I would like to but I have fun working on my bikes, I probably have a few more than really necessary but the ones I have I enjoy owning I don't have anything just to have it.
I have found that for whatever reason when you go out of your way for someone in any thing there is a good chance it is going to come back and bite you no good deed goes unpunished.
I have helped a lot of people out in my job and even still I get caught now and again feeling sorry for people of course it isn't all the time but it seems more often than not that you'll get shafted but at least I don't have any problems sleeping at night.
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Hey Ted, got something to keep you of the streets, Pete(Yamaico) could do with some Tenacious help in regards his B40.
You de Man, no doubting that ;D
Don't bother Ted, I think I've got it sorted ;D. The 2008 MoM states, in the eligibility table for pre 65 ....BSA: All except B44 and B50. The eligibility table has now been deleted from MoMs and in the 2013 book there is nothing whatsoever relating to B40 BSA's so one would have to assume that seeing there is nothing to tell us otherwise, All BSA B40s would have to be accepted for pre 65.
Sorry for the thread hijack but Mick kinda brought it up. ;)
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Nothing wrong with thread hi-jacks, I reckon, grandpa Simpson is a cool dude.
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Anyhow I got rained of the big blue box today, so I migrated inside and started sorting some hoardings.
Found some unobtainium NOS 4-speed radial lay shafts. How many you got? none I am guessing ::)
Some Unobtainium mega two MT1 lay shafts(those so called new Maicos use Used lay shafts from donor Alphas last time I was Informed).
And some angular lug NOS YZ465 evo twin leaders.
And even a couple of the ultra best Maico folding tip levers for my MC and GS125er'
Yeap, yeap, yeap I am a real Hoarder, Darling calls me a picker 8)
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He, He, He,,,,,and loving the solutions 8)
Oh yeah Brad I see the part I owe you.
I can Touch it, but cant lift it out.
Some friends are coming this weekend to provide engine lifting muscle.
Apologies for the slackness.
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Yes a few years ago I couldn't believe it when I saw a top end, high capacity "Made in Germany" "Weed Eater" whipper-sipper on the nature strip. Took it home, cleaned the tank and carby out, put a new plug in it. Years later, still hasn't missed a beat, leaves my six previous anti-Christs for dead. Thank fug the world is full of useless Dumb C***s I reckon.
Even found a 84 600 Yammie out there with its engine in a basket once, stuck it straight on ebay, pulled $375.
I have mixed feelings about them cancelling the clean-ups in our area :( ::) :'( ;D :)
My council cleanup find was a beauty. I was driving along Castle Hill Road in Sydney's leafy Castle Hill one afternoon and noticed a set of handlebars poking out of a pile on the nature strip. Being the scrounger that I am I had to check it out but being a 'no stopping during peak period' area I had to drive around the block and park up on the footpath behind the pile. As I was digging the crap out of the way to see what the handlebars were connected to, the home owner came out to see what I was doing. When I explained that I'd like to see what the bike was he helped me dig it out and it turned out to be a pretty nice Yamaha MX125b. He then told me he had another couple of bikes that he was also throwing out so I went with him back into his yard to find a rough but complete TM250 Suzuki and spare motor and one of those little electric kids chopper things. It turns out the bloke had recently bought the house for his daughter and the previous residents had left the bikes and a lot of other crap behind. I got the bikes for the grand total of zero! Whyalla Rob now has the MX125 but I've still got the TM and little Chopper tucked away in storage.
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(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2001/freebietm009_zpsb64c7dcd.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2001/freebietm009_zpsb64c7dcd.jpg.html)
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Yes a few years ago I couldn't believe it when I saw a top end, high capacity "Made in Germany" "Weed Eater" whipper-sipper on the nature strip. Took it home, cleaned the tank and carby out, put a new plug in it. Years later, still hasn't missed a beat, leaves my six previous anti-Christs for dead. Thank fug the world is full of useless Dumb C***s I reckon.
Even found a 84 600 Yammie out there with its engine in a basket once, stuck it straight on ebay, pulled $375.
I have mixed feelings about them cancelling the clean-ups in our area :( ::) :'( ;D :)
My council cleanup find was a beauty. I was driving along Castle Hill Road in Sydney's leafy Castle Hill one afternoon and noticed a set of handlebars poking out of a pile on the nature strip. Being the scrounger that I am I had to check it out but being a 'no stopping during peak period' area I had to drive around the block and park up on the footpath behind the pile. As I was digging the crap out of the way to see what the handlebars were connected to, the home owner came out to see what I was doing. When I explained that I'd like to see what the bike was he helped me dig it out and it turned out to be a pretty nice Yamaha MX125b. He then told me he had another couple of bikes that he was also throwing out so I went with him back into his yard to find a rough but complete TM250 Suzuki and spare motor and one of those little electric kids chopper things. It turns out the bloke had recently bought the house for his daughter and the previous residents had left the bikes and a lot of other crap behind. I got the bikes for the grand total of zero! Whyalla Rob now has the MX125 but I've still got the TM and little Chopper tucked away in storage.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/firko2001/freebie011_zps49e896a5.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/firko2001/freebie011_zps49e896a5.jpg.html)
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Far out, That's incredible, absolutely amazing.
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I have helped a lot of people out in my job and even still I get caught now and again feeling sorry for people of course it isn't all the time but it seems more often than not that you'll get shafted but at least I don't have any problems sleeping at night.
You are the old school definition of a real cool genuine Aussie, Crusty.
I deplore those who say what you should do, my journey doesn't belong to them.
But in my journey's hindsight, my best, is to always trust ones intuition, truly your most trustworthy friend.
I will give my shirt to practically anyone, but now I bar users and scammers, and thats another thing I am loving ;D
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I think maybe they should try teach morals etc in school I have a lot of mates that are really good but some of them have suprised me with what they will do.
One of my mates sold a boat in so called good running condition and it had engine problems I asked him why he just didn't say it was because he wouldn't get as much for it. I have tried to stir him about it to maybe kick his conscience into gear but he didn't seem at all bothered.
I like the container idea I have thought of getting one just because bikes take a lot of space especially when they don't have stands and you run out of wall leaning space then throw in some car stuff and there is no room in the shed.
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I think maybe they should try teach morals etc in school I have a lot of mates that are really good but some of them have suprised me with what they will do.
One of my mates sold a boat in so called good running condition and it had engine problems I asked him why he just didn't say it was because he wouldn't get as much for it. I have tried to stir him about it to maybe kick his conscience into gear but he didn't seem at all bothered.
You can't 'teach' morals in school Frosty. It has to come from the parents. Just make sure you remind your mate about his behaviour if he ever cops a bad deal. Although once you start acting like that I reckon it's a bit too late to change.
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I have found that for whatever reason when you go out of your way for someone in any thing there is a good chance it is going to come back and bite you no good deed goes unpunished.
Michael at first i thought thats a bit cynical for a young bloke like you :( but then i realised that as with most things you say on here you show a maturity way beyond your years :)
I got burned by a Prick who i stupidly offered to help out a while ago ::) this Prick as it turns out makes a habit of doing this, as its all about him . My initial reaction was fork it im not gonna help anyone else >:( but that soon passes as you come to realise the worlds Kunts are a minority and 99% of the time people are appreciative and happy to reciprocate :) Karma took care of this prick as it turned out anyway ;D .
Firkos MX and TM council clean up finds show how good Karma pays dividends to the good guys :)
Mick loving that Container storage unit :) the 22mm pipe instead of bars and pegs off is a simple yet great idea to free up more space :)
And as Paul says morals are something you learn at home from your parents :)
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I have found that for whatever reason when you go out of your way for someone in any thing there is a good chance it is going to come back and bite you no good deed goes unpunished.
I have helped a lot of people out in my job and even still I get caught now and again feeling sorry for people of course it isn't all the time but it seems more often than not that you'll get shafted but at least I don't have any problems sleeping at night
I feel like we've watched Michael grow from the grammar shy kid of a few years ago into the great young man he's become. I've seen many a kid come into this sport, usually to see them fade off once the novelty wore off. Michael's never been afraid to get involved on here and his passion for old bikes seems to be growing as we go along. Michaels just done me a favour, supplying me with a part I've been needing for one of my projects. I sure hope your deal with me doesn't "come back to bit you" my friend.
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Micheal, most of us would have been burnt by some rsole at one time or other in our lives. It seems to be a sad fact of life. When we are young and at school, we have more "friends" than we can count. Slowly but surely, most will go by the wayside or move away and never heard from again, some will end up on drugs and will do anything for their fix. Then there are those that remain "friends" as long as they can get something out of you until you learn what they are all about. At the end of the day, you're lucky if you have a handful of "genuine" friends that will stand the test of time. I don't offer help anymore as I have been burnt once too often. If someone asks for my help, I will gladly lend a hand, depending on the person of course ;)
Firko, finding those bikes is an amazing yarn. I thought I got lucky when I lived in Randwick as young bloke and my flat mate and I dragged a huge colour TV home that we found on a council clean up rubbish pile one night. Plugged it in, connected the aerial and bingo.... we had a new tele with a screen big enough to be able to see it sitting on the lounge. The little black and white portable that we used to watch went into Phils room. Mind you, we had heaps of old pushies and billy carts that got built up or fixed that other people threw away. Come to think of it, I think the tinkering and hoarding started because of the council clean ups :o
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Firkos MX and TM council clean up finds show how good Karma pays dividends to the good guys :)
Aw shucks Bill, I love you too :-*
I thought I got lucky when I lived in Randwick as young bloke and my flat mate and I dragged a huge colour TV home that we found on a council clean up rubbish pile one night
When I first moved to the US I had managed to find a small flat but naturally had no furniture except a bed the landlord gave me and a couch the previous tenant had left behind. One evening not long after moving in I was walking to the liquor store when I came across a pile out the front of a house at the end of my street, put there by the landlord after being left behind by 'midnight runner' tenants. I managed to get a recliner couch, a beautiful colour telly and a huge assortment of kitchen pots and pans, a Mix Master and best of all, a Marantz sound system with what I found out later were high end custom speakers. That little trip to the 'bottlo' set me up and turned my little house into a home. I had the TV and stereo for the next seven years and the furniture lasted until my girlfriend moved in with her own stuff...........Just a fortnight ago, neighbours down the street were putting stuff out for the cleanup so, as is my nature I just had to have a look. I found three big boxes full of expensive kids toys, much of it Fisher-Price plus an almost unused kids three wheeler. By lucky coincidence my godsons wife had just that week given birth to their second daughter so last weekend I passed over the stash to a very grateful young couple. It gave me great satisfaction seeing one family's throwaways make another family very happy.
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Always produces a smile, to see or hear kid will have a smile :D :)
Micheal, most of us would have been burnt by some rsole at one time or other in our lives. It seems to be a sad fact of life. When we are young and at school, we have more "friends" than we can count. Slowly but surely, most will go by the wayside or move away and never heard from again, some will end up on drugs and will do anything for their fix. Then there are those that remain "friends" as long as they can get something out of you until you learn what they are all about. At the end of the day, you're lucky if you have a handful of "genuine" friends that will stand the test of time. I don't offer help anymore as I have been burnt once too often. If someone asks for my help, I will gladly lend a hand, depending on the person of course ;)
That is about how it goes. Trust your intuition, the most valuable of all your senses. If some one wants your trust, Stuff em I say, let them go down the long path of earning it first.
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it's called having "SCRUPLES", 8)
cheers Worms
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Ad you seem to be a fine example of that Trev, as do many I have had the pleasure of dealing with in this community :)
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I just saw Mick's use of the word "Hoardaniser". This thread peaked at that moment. :)
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Frosty, one of the things I learnt is if someone is lying in the gutter wanting a hand out, keep walking because they'll just fall straight back in. But if they are trying to pull themselves out, stop and lend a hand.
Another thing is if your mates have a dodgy moral compass it will erode yours over time. It's all too easy to become tolerant of mates who are a bit sketchy because they may seem like a good bloke in other areas, or are fun on the piss. Trouble is they are usually tolerant of other sketchy people and before you know it you have a widening circle of dodgy friends. And as is human nature you eventually get influenced by them. Not to mention that if you have something they want you will end up being a target.
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I highly doubt that Firko, I would probably get a good laugh if you did sell it on ebay though. ;D
Recently I nearly became a Valiant hoarder but I thought better of it. That was only because once people find out you have one then others say I have a mate that wants to sell one and it is very tempting when they are well priced but having two car projects as it was I have decided to get them done before I consider getting another.
Having said that though you can't switch off your liking of cars or bikes just because you don't really need them if I hear of another charger close to me I'd probably have to go look at it I wouldn't be able to help myself.
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If Pete believes he is right, pursue it relentlessly. Read, read and read more about it. In the end he will know more about it than the rule makers and so called experts. Avoid opinions on here at all costs. When he has sufficient knowledge on it use the forum to whip up a frenzy of " not you again "
" not this same shit again " " cheating bastard ". " this has been discussed 1000 times " Present it at a meet and force their hand to act on it.
Apologies for the hijack and a bit late on the response here Ted but there is a bit of a difference between your case and mine. You doggedly pursued what you believed to be correct and with a bucketload of tenacity and determination proved it true beyond doubt, and in doing so, silenced your critics forever and paved the way for others - admirable job. The B40, however is a slightly different case in that all the evidence seems to point towards the side points B40 being a designated 1965 model. My argument would be, in the interests of the ongoing preservation of the pre 65 movement, to let it in as a slightly different, but without advantage, flow on model. I hope what Firko has said rings true and that the omission of the eligibility table means that all B40's are eligible, but I'm not pinning my hopes on that one yet.
It may yet go straight to the pool room.
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it's called having "SCRUPLES", 8)
cheers Worms
Unfortunately, not all people know what SCRUPLES mean...or even that the word exists. It's kinda like "common sense", if it were that common, everybody would have some ::)
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oh shit, is that what it means ;D
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oh shit, is that what it means ;D
Did those triples ever turn up for that yz250g?
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I like that crash n bern, it should be taught in schools.
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Yamaico, i dont think "All the evidence"is in on the sidepoint subject as i said in another thread i have an original uk "Motor Cycle" mag dated october 1 1964 that clearly states by Jeff Smith that he used production case's on his title winning bike in the first 9 rounds of the championship and were changed every round due to wearing out, then had sandcast case's made for final 5 rounds- if we could drum up photo's that show the bike was sidepoint up till then there is no arguement -if they were distributor motor then look at that :)
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Yamaico, i dont think "All the evidence"is in on the sidepoint subject as i said in another thread i have an original uk "Motor Cycle" mag dated october 1 1964 that clearly states by Jeff Smith that he used production case's on his title winning bike in the first 9 rounds of the championship and were changed every round due to wearing out, then had sandcast case's made for final 5 rounds- if we could drum up photo's that show the bike was sidepoint up till then there is no arguement -if they were distributor motor then look at that :)
You're right there Huskibul. I really need to exhaust all avenues before I consign it to the pool room.
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Quick, some one please come around and slap me before I end up hoarding another green basket case
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/131052452771?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
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You'll be right homo, someone in Qld is on to it......well change our name soon to Greenland.....there's lots of green meanies up here racing....oh, that's right, you don't have racing down there do you...just a Veri good time...LOL.
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hey mainline, I need a refresh, I have a set of triples in the shed, did i owe you a set or was I looking for a set for you, either way, their your s if you want them as I have no use for them, Cheers Trev
can simo get them to you?
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I like that crash n bern, it should be taught in schools.
I think it was, once. The irony is that it's in the bible. God helps those that help themselves. And God judges you by the company you keep. And no, I'm not a god botherer, before someone tries to throw that in.
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You'll be right homo, someone in Qld is on to it......well change our name soon to Greenland.....there's lots of green meanies up here racing....oh, that's right, you don't have racing down there do you...just a Veri good time...LOL.
It looked appealing at 100 bucks but then it blew out to $102.50 which put it out of my league ;D
Greenland ay, so you be getting rid of the queens will you? Where are you going to go ;D
VERi; where everyone is a winner
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All the "Queens" are in Sydney, you should know that homo.... ;D