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Marque Remarks => Suzuki => Topic started by: SON on November 04, 2013, 12:06:23 am
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Suspense is killing me???
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He got 1st place so what do you think. ;D ;)
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So after all the cyber bull shit on here it was legal?
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The undisputed obvious...
The swingarm IS the optional "B" arm
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So after all the cyber bull shit on here it was legal?
Yes.. In the real world it is legal. All the know all's who doubted it on here don't know shit from clay but we already knew that
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I bought that arm and put it on Ted's RM, I knew it was legal all the time.
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And aside from this issue finally being put to bed, one of the benefits of Ted bringing this arm forward was that it is now possible to tell the optional b and standard c arms apart as there is a difference in the manufacturing process that you can't replicate.
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And aside from this issue finally being put to bed, one of the benefits of Ted bringing this arm forward was that it is now possible to tell the optional b and standard c arms apart as there is a difference in the manufacturing process that you can't replicate.
Exactly Simo..
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Just got home. WOW WOW WOW what a super fun weekend
Many thanks to Col, Vandy and Davey for putting on the best weekend I have ever experienced in VMX. To say them guys put in a huge effort is a massive understatement. We are already planning the Post Classics next year. Thanks guys. My apologies go out to all the other helpers that I don't know but a big thank you. Oh and what about the track. What a fantastic layout!!!!!!!
Now to the not so serious stuff. We turned up with steel arm fitted fully expecting to run with it. We sought approval to use the alloy arm through the right channels and procedures and were given the green light to proceed. Which we did.
In impoundment after the race a place getter asked the Steward if the arm was legal? The Steward asked me if I would show the guy why it is legal. I refused to divulge the information unless the guy stumped up and formally protested. Which he didn't. All good.
A huge thanks to JohnnyO and TMBill for their encouragement and assistance to make me follow this alloy bullshit through. Many times over this last year I thought WTF why bother but these two remained solid and helped me get this thing over the line. They both know their stuff. Also thank you to Davey and Vandy for giving me the time of day to explain the difference between this arm and any other and then taking it to Col so as he could get clarification from Dave Tanner. Thanks Dave.
I will not be revealing the difference between arms. So if anybody wants to cheat , believe me, you will be found out. You have been warned. However, one thing I will disclose is that the alloy arm weighs exactly the same as the steel arm.
Lindsay, if you learn to hop better there may have been more tipped into the motor neurone appeal tin.....haha
Thanks to everyone that attended, you guys are great
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Well done Ted good to see you had a win on and of the track,what to do with the black paint now,paint my E model arm and put it on my D ;D,will you be lining up at lakes with us or just spectating, catch ya there
Cheers Scotty
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good on you Ted!!
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Ted the only problem with not revealing the difference is that some poor bugger is going to stump up good money for an alloy arm they are told is a 'B' arm only to find out when they go to use it that they have been taken by some thief who has ripped them off. It would be much better to clearly show what is an optional 'B' arm and what is a modified 'C' arm surely.
Well done on doing the homework and presenting it at the titles. As most people said they believed it was legal but it needed someone to do exactly what you did.
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Well done Ted good to see you had a win on and of the track,what to do with the black paint now,paint my E model arm and put it on my D ;D,will you be lining up at lakes with us or just spectating, catch ya there
Cheers Scotty
Thanks Scott
If you thought Liam was quick at Bula, you should have seen him up there.
I won't be riding Lakes. My wrist is gone. Can barely hold a stubby left handed these days. How bad is that. I will bring Hayden. He has a new bike since he can't ride his XR anymore. It's a 84 YZee 80. You can nurture him in Yammy world...hehe
See ya at Lakes big fella.
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well done ted
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Ted the only problem with not revealing the difference is that some poor bugger is going to stump up good money for an alloy arm they are told is a 'B' arm only to find out when they go to use it that they have been taken by some thief who has ripped them off. It would be much better to clearly show what is an optional 'B' arm and what is a modified 'C' arm surely.
Well done on doing the homework and presenting it at the titles. As most people said they believed it was legal but it needed someone to do exactly what you did.
Greg I have several of each,
you can take as many photos as you like and post them also the Rahier arm
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Exellent result :) well done Ted for seeing it through . Does this mean it will be universely accepted now or will it still be a meeting by meeting official by official deal ?
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Good onya Ted ... and that's not just for persevering and resolving the RM B model optional alloy arm debate but for:
1. Being the best free unofficial VMX bike and parts freighter, in and out of Shitney, the Oz VMX world has seen;
2. For being the one of the good blokes that helps the young'uns into the VMX world; and finally
3. For being good hearted enough to donate $200 to the Motor Neuron Disease cause.
An all round top bloke Mr Bracks, I dips me hat to ya 8) ;D
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Exellent result :) well done Ted for seeing it through . Does this mean it will be universely accepted now or will it still be a meeting by meeting official by official deal ?
That remains to be seen I guess, however, when a pretty emphatic precedent ( none higher i would think ) has been set and the differinces well noted by MA I reckon it is here to stay. Finally Bill it may go to sleep now.
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Exellent result :) well done Ted for seeing it through . Does this mean it will be universely accepted now or will it still be a meeting by meeting official by official deal ?
I believe there will be an adjustment made to the rules so no one has to go through this shite again in the future...
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Ted the only problem with not revealing the difference is that some poor bugger is going to stump up good money for an alloy arm they are told is a 'B' arm only to find out when they go to use it that they have been taken by some thief who has ripped them off. It would be much better to clearly show what is an optional 'B' arm and what is a modified 'C' arm surely.
Well done on doing the homework and presenting it at the titles. As most people said they believed it was legal but it needed someone to do exactly what you did.
MOST PEOPLE said it was NOT legal. MOST PEOPLE wouldnt know an optional arm if they tripped over it.This didnt stop MOST PEOPLE from commenting on it. I was even accused of cheating by SOME PEOPLE
I put endless Emails, letters, phone calls and leg work into this matter and copped abuse, sarcasm and all manner of shit over a piece of alloy. I could not give a fat rats arse if SOME PEOPLE get burnt acquiring an alloy arm. Let them do the research I did. Sorry buddy but that's how it is.
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Ted the only problem with not revealing the difference is that some poor bugger is going to stump up good money for an alloy arm they are told is a 'B' arm only to find out when they go to use it that they have been taken by some thief who has ripped them off. It would be much better to clearly show what is an optional 'B' arm and what is a modified 'C' arm surely.
Well done on doing the homework and presenting it at the titles. As most people said they believed it was legal but it needed someone to do exactly what you did.
MOST PEOPLE said it was NOT legal. MOST PEOPLE wouldnt know an optional arm if they tripped over it.This didnt stop MOST PEOPLE from commenting on it. I was even accused of cheating by SOME PEOPLE
I put endless Emails, letters, phone calls and leg work into this matter and copped abuse, sarcasm and all manner of shit over a piece of alloy. I could not give a fat rats arse if SOME PEOPLE get burnt acquiring an alloy arm. Let them do the research I did. Sorry buddy but that's how it is.
Thats right Ted MOST people said there was no such thing including Montynut, that's why this shit went on so long..!
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Yeah Sir Ted is great for VMX, he helps everybody and we really appreciate the time and effort he has put in for Liam. He transported three bikes upto QLD and had everything sorted.
Many many thanks Ted.
(http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad318/rtb1042/image_zpsba6064c7.jpg)[/URL]
Photo of the title winning bike and it is a pleasure to ride a bike that goes and handles. This bike also won the CRC Trophy for Pre 78 all powers at Bulahdelah this year.
Also a big thanks must go out to Nick at Teknik, he can sort a bike and it is one sweet handling RM.
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Ted the only problem with not revealing the difference is that some poor bugger is going to stump up good money for an alloy arm they are told is a 'B' arm only to find out when they go to use it that they have been taken by some thief who has ripped them off. It would be much better to clearly show what is an optional 'B' arm and what is a modified 'C' arm surely.
Well done on doing the homework and presenting it at the titles. As most people said they believed it was legal but it needed someone to do exactly what you did.
MOST PEOPLE said it was NOT legal. MOST PEOPLE wouldnt know an optional arm if they tripped over it.This didnt stop MOST PEOPLE from commenting on it. I was even accused of cheating by SOME PEOPLE
I put endless Emails, letters, phone calls and leg work into this matter and copped abuse, sarcasm and all manner of shit over a piece of alloy. I could not give a fat rats arse if SOME PEOPLE get burnt acquiring an alloy arm. Let them do the research I did. Sorry buddy but that's how it is.
Thats right Ted MOST people said there was no such thing including Montynut, that's why this shit went on so long. You don't owe anyone anything..!
That is totally untrue I said in an earlier thread that I believed it was legal but needed to be proven and the manual was not sufficent. I spoke to Ted several times and emailed him how I believed he should go about it but don't let the truth get in the way of a good story.
What I have said is that just saying it is legal was never going to get him anywhere. The pictures of Gunter etc etc was never going to carry the day as you and almost everyone said.
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Unfortunately wrong on every point you made I'm afraid. John and I were there and know what went down. It's done, let it rest FFS
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id like to know i have one that has the lug on it, it came of a very early c model did they use the b left overs on the early c models
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Unfortunately wrong on every point you made I'm afraid. John and I were there and know what went down. It's done, let it rest FFS
Fair enough Ted you tell as you see it
Anyway well done and congratulations on supporting Liam to a great result.
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Does this jolt your memory Monty?
(http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc374/JohnnyO31/image_zps325c5f4d.jpg) (http://s1208.photobucket.com/user/JohnnyO31/media/image_zps325c5f4d.jpg.html)
(http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc374/JohnnyO31/image_zps4e62f53f.jpg) (http://s1208.photobucket.com/user/JohnnyO31/media/image_zps4e62f53f.jpg.html)
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id like to know i have one that has the lug on it, it came of a very early c model did they use the b left overs on the early c models
This will be my final post on this saga.
I and two others have achieved what we set out to do
I subjected a very nice young man from my own club to the possibility of having a Australian Title stripped from him if it was protested successfully, because of the belief that we had in its eligibility.
I will not be divulging any information to its eligibility origins
The answer is out there if one is prepared to put the effort in
The performance difference in the two arms is 2/5 ths of f..kall
Would I recommend somebody to waste their time to find the info.......definitely not
Lastly, if you want the truth, avoid what most say on here
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ok keep it to your self i have one that i know was welded on when made by suzuki and i have one that has no lug on it i know son has a few of each so we dont need your help enjoy your moment
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Don't go too hard on Montynut Greg is most certainly one of the good guys,
Like JohnnyO we knew the arms were legal because we saw them,
Unfortunately proving was a little harder,
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I am normally not one to comment, but after putting up with all the drivel about this arm for what seems like forever, I have to say to now hold the cards close to your chest, really is poor darts. Really pleased for the three of you, but what have you achieved to help vintage motocross and it's participants by your current stance on not sharing the information?
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Congrats on a great result to all involved! I wonder how much slower he would of went with the original steel swing arm? 2/5th's of f..k all! My beliefs are... "It's not the bike, it's the person in the saddle" ;)
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I am normally not one to comment, but after putting up with all the drivel about this arm for what seems like forever, I have to say to now hold the cards close to your chest, really is poor darts. Really pleased for the three of you, but what have you achieved to help vintage motocross and it's participants by your current stance on not sharing the information?
Sorry you had to put up with all the drivel on here forever ( do you live in a clockwork orange situation , forced to read all on the forum , you poor Sod ::) ) generally if theres a topic im not interested in i DONT read it ;) its actually not that hard .
Ted went to great lengths to get his arm passed at the nats , if he chooses to share the info with who he chooses that's his prerogative :)
Ted had to fight the system all the way over this shit where egos over ruled reality . Ted has shown the event officials what he needed to , now surely its up to the officials to relay that info to the masses via the Moms .
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I am normally not one to comment, but after putting up with all the drivel about this arm for what seems like forever, I have to say to now hold the cards close to your chest, really is poor darts. Really pleased for the three of you, but what have you achieved to help vintage motocross and it's participants by your current stance on not sharing the information?
Sorry you had to put up with all the drivel on here forever ( do you live in a clockwork orange situation , forced to read all on the forum , you poor Sod ::) ) generally if theres a topic im not interested in i DONT read it ;) its actually not that hard .
Ted went to great lengths to get his arm passed at the nats , if he chooses to share the info with who he chooses that's his prerogative :)
Ted had to fight the system all the way over this shit where egos over ruled reality . Ted has shown the event officials what he needed to , now surely its up to the officials to relay that info to the masses via the Moms .
Sod - meaning Unpleasant Person...... Sorry didn't realise you knew me ;)
Unfortunately the said subject kept popping up in seemingly unrelated topics.
What I would like to know is what changed from the posts in the "works bikes topic", where on October 29th in reply to Tim754's post about sharing the info after the weekend. Ted replied that was no problem. So why the change of heart?
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Good work on the Championship result Ted, interesting to see that the bike I built-up from the old gem I found at Discount Motorcycle Wreckers in Coburg (Vic) turns into a title winner in 1 year.
Did you change much in the engine since I built it?
I bought that swingarm on ebay from the States for $90 delivered, it's made for some funny reading in the last 6 months ;-)
Ted you don't need to tell anyone your details about the arm, it's not 'rocket science' if anyone wants to race with one I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to work-out, hell if someone has an 'option B arm' and a 'stock C arm' I would think it would be a piece of piss?
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Not meaning to do the wrong thing by Ted but the cat should be out of the bag,
I have a real optional B arm and an identical arm from an early C as previously shown they have the brake stay lug welded to the arm, the later C does not have the lug.
The noticeable difference should someone weld a brake stay mount one will be the weld
As the optional B arm has its main weld continous over the stay mount and down the arm
A modified C the weld will be obvious
Unless the arm is painted Black