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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: CraigBa on October 13, 2013, 08:52:03 pm
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Picked up a 81 RM125X that will be my first resto project. New to this mechanical stuff, work on computers, networks, etc but not very mechanically gifted.
Looking for tips, links to information, that kind of thing to guide me, along with the people here :)
Cheers
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Buy yourself a clymer workshop manual ..... Use alpha sport as a parts reference ..... And if you get stuck ask here, and someone will help you out
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lm looking to start a restoration on a 1978 ke175.
l think for cleaning up old parts of paint and corrosion a sand blaster like this would be really handy.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/290887315840?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
Lots of bikes look good from a distance, its when you get close you notice the owners attention to detail.
Geoff
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81 RM125X .
Looking for tips, links to information, that kind of thing to guide me, along with the people here :)
Cheers
Yep as oldfart says
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you could start a topic on Suzuki section or Tech Talk section. :)
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Photograph everything before you pull it apart. from all angles and after you pull it apart as its ideal for reassembly when there is too many washers left over. get some heat shrink tube for the wiring and as above a parts and workshop manual so you can figure out what the right length bolts are for what bits. go buy a bag full of nylock 6, 8 and 10mm nuts and washers.
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as john cahill above said,good advice
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A couple of personal disassembly/reassembly habits I stick to wherever practical
- When disassembling, after removing a component I wind each bolt, nut etcetera back into its "home" wherever possible. That way, for example, when I go to reassemble the gear shift lever onto its shaft, the correct bolt is sitting there in the gear lever.
- When disassembling cases, clutch covers, I prepare a template to hold each screw while it is out of the motor. For one off motors, I draw a diagram of the case / cover on a piece of cardboard and punch holes in it for each bolt. For engines I work on regularly, I use one of those plastic chopping board with 6mm holes drilled in it (cheap & reusable), with diagrams for each of the major covers / cases.
Hope that helps,
Geoff
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All of the above and read any topic on here that has anything remotely technical or with practical tips etc and bookmark it or put it in a word document and print it out. It helps for all those first time jobs that you have to do ;)
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The bolt trick works great...until you want to replate all your bolts for that new look. the platers like them all in a bucket as they charge by the job lot. that's where the parts manual comes into its own as you figure out where each bolt belongs.
if your not plating them then a template as suggested above is a great trick as I have spent a lot of my time testing which bolts go where in clutch covers etc
if you decide to powder coat anything, make sure it is spotlessly clean from all grease and oil as it will run when the heat is applied.
also put dummy bolts into all threaded holes as the powder coat will fill it to the extent that you may need to retap them. its tough stuff.
enjoy
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I'm like you, a real novice just finishing my first. I photo everything as suggested, but I also use my I phone and film it and give myself a dialogue over the filming on how it came off and then place it back on loosely explaining how to get it back together. Its often easier to understand what you are doing when talking to your self. Or is it ? I then download this onto a stick as a back up as well.
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The home movie is a great idea, I must set the go pro up for strip downs... such a simple idea....I only use them in the be... no more on that :o
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All of the above.....
I used a heap of zip lock bags (used for the kids lunch) grouped like parts together with a note reminding me how if came off and lost of photos
With gear boxes etc I saw a trick using egg cartons - you number each cup in the carton and as you pull something off you place it it the cup so you know the order it came apart
Cheers
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I use all of the above tips which are all chapters in "restoration 101". No matter what you do though, make sure you've got a decent set of tools. By decent I don't mean the most expensive Snap-On, just good forged spanners which can now be picked up at Supercheap, Repco, Bunnings and even Aldi from time to time. The following is a good starter kit.
* A full set of Metric open end spanners.
* A full set of metric ring spanners.
* A set of cheap (Aldi etc) ratchet ring/open end metric spanners. (not 100% necessary but very handy)
* A decent set of metric sockets in 1/4 and 3/8 and 1/2 inch drive.
* A large shifting spanner...(but use it sparingly)
* A decent set of screw drivers inc. 3 or 4 different sized Phillips head and 3 or 4 straight head.
* An impact screw driver.
* A couple of different sized hammers ranging from 5 oz to a 12oz ball peen. A rubber hammer, a copper and cowhide Thor hammer.
*A set of chisels and punches.
* A 4" grinder with a variety of grinding, cutting and sanding discs.......buy the best quality cut off discs as possible as cheap ones can explode without warning.
* A decent cordless drill with either 14.4v or 18v battery.....don't go for 9v or 12 v as they often run out of puff very quickly
*A decent mid priced set of imperial drills preferably the new style cold tiitanium coated variety.
*A couple of crowbar/pinch bars about a foot long. Cheap at $2 shops.
It's handy but not essential to have
*A good 1.5hp compressor and accessories including a rattle gun and spray equipment.
*A set of metric T wrenches
*An Oxy-Acetylene welding set.
*A cordless or corded jig saw
*A power saw.
A parts washer....http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Parts-Washer-75-Litre-/121152884033 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Parts-Washer-75-Litre-/121152884033)
*A TIG welder.......only if you know how to use it.
*A hydraulic bike work stand http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Motorcycle-Motorbike-Hydraulic-bike-Lift-Table-450kg-stand-jack-hoist-/281059048257?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item41706cbb41 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Motorcycle-Motorbike-Hydraulic-bike-Lift-Table-450kg-stand-jack-hoist-/281059048257?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item41706cbb41)
http://www.bunnings.com.au/our-range/tools/hand-tools/sockets-spanners-tool-kits/tool-kits?gclid=CMWX9ZeDqboCFUtFpQodTFAA7w (http://www.bunnings.com.au/our-range/tools/hand-tools/sockets-spanners-tool-kits/tool-kits?gclid=CMWX9ZeDqboCFUtFpQodTFAA7w)
http://84.17.188.19/au/html/offers/2827_27269.htm (http://84.17.188.19/au/html/offers/2827_27269.htm)
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Allen keys and star keys can be added to that list
along with ...
cable oilers, crc, inox and contact cleaner as well as degreaser in a can (for little jobs like controls and throttle tubes)
tape in black electrical and grey duct
fuel line, hose clamps, black silicon and grey gasket goo
Loctite (and a heat gun for loctited bits)
water proof grease, normal grease and a good parts cleaning set up...
rags, lots of rags (cant have enough rags)
don't forget a bike to restore... all these tools are useless unless you have a bike to work on ;D :D
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The list is long & its not worth cutting corners !
Can I add a good clean area to work, good lighting & don't rush ;)
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Don't forget, a bloody big Hammer!! For when all else fails.
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Plus a credit card and a paypal account! ;)
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A nice little bar fridge, thirsty work resto'ing.
Cheers,Mark.
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are the black art resto's welcome here :o
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Have a look at 'soda' blasting rather than sand. It washes off much easier and wont hurt too much if some does get in somewhere.
Also, an old engine builder I know always used paper instead of rags to plug up holes and wipe stuff down....paper will dissolve and disappear where a rag can leave swarf threads behind and they can wind around things....not what you want and can block oil galleries.
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Just bought a bead blaster working with glass beads.
This is the front brake off the parts kdx175, not a lot of preparation before l started just wanted to see how it went.
Took the paint off the alloy really well and left a nice surface for painting with no pitting or damage l could see. My little compressor is really too small to run it, but its going to be a great thing for preparation after l update the compressor.
(http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag23/kdxGeoff/IMAG1081_1_zps8d1842cd.jpg) (http://s1297.photobucket.com/user/kdxGeoff/media/IMAG1081_1_zps8d1842cd.jpg.html)
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Good investment ;)
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Don't forget, a bloody big Hammer!! For when all else fails.
if a hammer didnt fix it, it must be electrical ???
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Don't forget, a bloody big Hammer!! For when all else fails.
if a hammer didnt fix it, it must be electrical ???
Ahh the old Suzuki tool, it fixes most things....
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Don't forget, a bloody big Hammer!! For when all else fails.
if a hammer didnt fix it, it must be electrical ???
Ahh the old Suzuki tool, it fixes most things....
yep even works on most riders ;) you nod your head and Ill hit it ;D
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Don't forget, a bloody big Hammer!! For when all else fails.
if a hammer didnt fix it, it must be electrical ???
Ahh the old Suzuki tool, it fixes most things....
yep even works on most riders ;) you nod your head and Ill hit it ;D
Won't hurt me.... I'm not most riders and I sure as mustard ain't a Suzuki 8)
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Don't forget, a bloody big Hammer!! For when all else fails.
if a hammer didnt fix it, it must be electrical ???
Ahh the old Suzuki tool, it fixes most things....
yep even works on most riders ;) you nod your head and Ill hit it ;D
Won't hurt me.... I'm not most riders and I sure as mustard ain't a Suzuki 8)
hee hee he ;)
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Have a look in the current issue of VMX Magazine. There are a few ideas there for restoration processes. I helped out with the article by bringing the TY175 back to life. Ken Smith reckoned it would be a challenge and it certainly was. Proved that anything is possible.
Dave
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I use all of the above tips which are all chapters in "restoration 101". No matter what you do though, make sure you've got a decent set of tools. By decent I don't mean the most expensive Snap-On, just good forged spanners which can now be picked up at Supercheap, Repco, Bunnings and even Aldi from time to time. The following is a good starter kit.
* A full set of Metric open end spanners.
* A full set of metric ring spanners.
* A set of cheap (Aldi etc) ratchet ring/open end metric spanners. (not 100% necessary but very handy)
* A decent set of metric sockets in 1/4 and 3/8 and 1/2 inch drive.
* A large shifting spanner...(but use it sparingly)
* A decent set of screw drivers inc. 3 or 4 different sized Phillips head and 3 or 4 straight head.
* An impact screw driver.
* A couple of different sized hammers ranging from 5 oz to a 12oz ball peen. A rubber hammer, a copper and cowhide Thor hammer.
*A set of chisels and punches.
* A 4" grinder with a variety of grinding, cutting and sanding discs.......buy the best quality cut off discs as possible as cheap ones can explode without warning.
* A decent cordless drill with either 14.4v or 18v battery.....don't go for 9v or 12 v as they often run out of puff very quickly
*A decent mid priced set of imperial drills preferably the new style cold tiitanium coated variety.
*A couple of crowbar/pinch bars about a foot long. Cheap at $2 shops.
It's handy but not essential to have
*A good 1.5hp compressor and accessories including a rattle gun and spray equipment.
*A set of metric T wrenches
*An Oxy-Acetylene welding set.
*A cordless or corded jig saw
*A power saw.
A parts washer....http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Parts-Washer-75-Litre-/121152884033 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Parts-Washer-75-Litre-/121152884033)
*A TIG welder.......only if you know how to use it.
*A hydraulic bike work stand http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Motorcycle-Motorbike-Hydraulic-bike-Lift-Table-450kg-stand-jack-hoist-/281059048257?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item41706cbb41 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Motorcycle-Motorbike-Hydraulic-bike-Lift-Table-450kg-stand-jack-hoist-/281059048257?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item41706cbb41)
http://www.bunnings.com.au/our-range/tools/hand-tools/sockets-spanners-tool-kits/tool-kits?gclid=CMWX9ZeDqboCFUtFpQodTFAA7w (http://www.bunnings.com.au/our-range/tools/hand-tools/sockets-spanners-tool-kits/tool-kits?gclid=CMWX9ZeDqboCFUtFpQodTFAA7w)
http://84.17.188.19/au/html/offers/2827_27269.htm (http://84.17.188.19/au/html/offers/2827_27269.htm)
I've done minimal bike restos 4 to be exact but when it comes to tools don't buy shit like firko said buy decent tools and if you can afford it do yourself a favour buy snap on gear the main things you will need like sockets and spanners. I work on cars in the smash industry everyday and put some of my gear to the test everything I have bought over the years of mediocre quality has at some stage been replace with snap on or blue point gear ( snap ons Asian made gear) which will last a hell of a long time ( Rachet screwdriver I've had for 8 yrs is still like new well not looking like new but works like new) and it gets used just about everyday if your in a trade where u get a snap on rep turn up and you always check out there gear but don't get anything do urself a favour start up an account and start buying like I do just don't tell the missus when you paid 400 dollars for a die grinder when she says super cheap sell them for 30 bucks ::)
AL.