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Marketplace => eBay Finds => Topic started by: firko on October 06, 2013, 01:29:26 pm
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I know they're not vintage yet but I've always fancied these big Italians since we ran into a bloke riding one in the Watagans at the turn of the century. It made my old TT600 seem positively pre historic*. These ones seem pretty nice (almost new) and well priced.
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2001 VOR 503 Supermotard
Mint condition, all original, maybe two tanks of fuel run through it? $1750
2001 VOR 503 motocross bike
Mint condition, All original, just missing the fuel tank decals. I would quess no more than one tank of fuel run through this bike. $1750 located in southern WI.
call Kirby at (nine two zero) 382-5118 or e-mail [email protected]
October 5
* some would say TT600's were pre-historic immediately after leaving the factory ;D
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Well these things were extinct as soon as they left the factory.
To be avoided at all costs. The P76 of bikes.
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Well these things were extinct as soon as they left the factory.
To be avoided at all costs. The P76 of bikes.
What's wrong with the VOR Ted?.......(just curious 'cause I once drove a P76 and it ran heaps better than it looked ;D)
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Quote from owner 2005 " I'm putting my VOR in the corner of the shed ( read: can't even give it away ) as a collectible and buying a KTM 530. I'm so sick of working on exotics. Tossed up whether to buy a Aprilla but don't want to go through same dramas as VOR's had"
I used to do a lot of 2 day KTM trail tour rides and every VOR unded up in the trailer. These things made early model Husabergs look ultra reliable.
Did you own the P76? If you didn't own it you would of only needed one week of driving it to see what an absolute piece of shit they were. One bonus of owning one is you get plenty of exercise walking home.
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Did you own the P76? If you didn't own it you would of only needed one week of driving it to see what an absolute piece of shit they were. One bonus of owning one is you get plenty of exercise walking home.
Actually I did Ted...sort of. A couple of big Maori riggers I worked with had a 6 cylinder P76 as a runabout while they were here in Oz. When they went back to NZ after their rugby season had ended they left it in the car park at work with the keys in it. We all drove it whenever we felt the need and except for some electrical problem that sent the battery flat if left for more than a couple of days, it was a decent old dunger.....if painfully slow. Eventually it ran out of rego and the boys in the machine shop knocked the windows out, welded it up and drove her in a demolition derby somewhere or other. My neighbour across the road in Maroubra owned a rare as shit P76 Force 7 coupe V8 4 speed and I recall it going like a shower of shit. I also know a bloke who had a V8 4 speed model that I drove and it went and handled really well. P76's weren't as bad as the publicity would tell you, especially the V8. My cousin has a first series Range Rover with a P76 engine in it that has about 400k on the clock mainly towing his Commodore race car, and the engine keeps on keeping on. The big problem with the P76 was it being so flucking ugly..........sorry for the thread deviation.
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The V8's used the all-alloy Rover 3.5 yeh?
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And you could fit a 44 gallon drum in the boot.
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Did you own the P76? If you didn't own it you would of only needed one week of driving it to see what an absolute piece of shit they were. One bonus of owning one is you get plenty of exercise walking home.
Actually I did Ted...sort of. A couple of big Maori riggers I worked with had a 6 cylinder P76 as a runabout while they were here in Oz. When they went back to NZ after their rugby season had ended they left it in the car park at work with the keys in it. We all drove it whenever we felt the need and except for some electrical problem that sent the battery flat if left for more than a couple of days, it was a decent old dunger.....if painfully slow. Eventually it ran out of rego and the boys in the machine shop knocked the windows out, welded it up and drove her in a demolition derby somewhere or other. My neighbour across the road in Maroubra owned a rare as shit P76 Force 7 coupe V8 4 speed and I recall it going like a shower of shit. I also know a bloke who had a V8 4 speed model that I drove and it went and handled really well. P76's weren't as bad as the publicity would tell you, especially the V8. My cousin has a first series Range Rover with a P76 engine in it that has about 400k on the clock mainly towing his Commodore race car, and the engine keeps on keeping on. The big problem with the P76 was it being so flucking ugly..........sorry for the thread deviation.
Ok I'll pick you up the 6 cylinder model and you can fix me up later. No problemo ;D ;D ;D
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The V8's used the all-alloy Rover 3.5 yeh?
Sort of. The P76 and Rover engine was based on the GM Buick/Oldsmobile/Pontiac alloy V8 which was also used as the basis for the Repco F1 engine. The Rover was 3.5 litres and used the Buick style heads while the P76 was stroked to 4.5l and used the better Oldsmobile style heads. It's pretty easy to laugh at the P76 but the engine's a sweet little unit that was used in all sorts of vehicles over a 30 year period. They're still popular with special builders because they're so light.
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GO MANLY
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Ok I'll pick you up the 6 cylinder model and you can fix me up later. No problemo ;D ;D ;D
Why? Did I say I wanted one somewhere?
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P76 V8 was 4.4 litres and was a great motor it also had a different bolt pattern on the bell housing to the rover, fitted one into an early pomy Capri that a mate and I use to auto cross and bitumen sprint had a 4spd and a centura diff the only problem we had was water pumps didn't like 6000rpm for to long and were hard to get back then. Mate had a Vor had no end of dramas with it as well we all got sick of towing him back to the trailer, he now has a ktm530 which he has had about the same amount of dramas as the Vor.
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P76 V8 was 4.4 litres]P76 V8 was 4.4 litres
OOPS that's what I meant. It's a weird coincidence that I was out on the front lawn this morning and an immaculate metallic blue P76 Targa Florio drove past. I must be mellowing as I get older, I thought it looked cool...........So, do I buy a VOR or a Canondale?
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my dad had v8 studbakers and then v8 p78s all great tow cars we went eveywere in them towing all types of trailers.p76s rattled a lot but never let us down always got home.my yonger brother smashed one of dads cars wite off but he was ok
jim
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Canondale and VOR can be fixed buy retro fitting a YZF carb?
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Funny I remember the P76 advertised the huge boot when in fact the older HJ Holden boot had a bigger cubic capacity.
cheers.
The old Water Board bought a few P76s but apart from being ugly they had body problems and the seats fell apart
cheers.
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P76 V8 was 4.4 litres and was a great motor it also had a different bolt pattern on the bell housing to the rover, fitted one into an early pomy Capri that a mate and I use to auto cross and bitumen sprint had a 4spd and a centura diff the only problem we had was water pumps didn't like 6000rpm for to long and were hard to get back then.
Hnmm having built, installed and used these motors in off road racing Range Rovers over the years part of what you have written here is right and part is wrong. Yes the Leyland motor is 4.4 litres and is based on the original Buick 215 ci motor that became Rovers fabled and very reliable 3.5. The 4.4 was a stroked 3.5 and used the same diameter pistons with a longer stroke. Both the 3.5 and the 4.4 motors have the exact same bolt pattern on the rear of the block but the crank bolt pattern is completely different between the two motors. Over the years I've had a number of 3.5 flywheels re-drilled and machined to suit 4.4 cranks.
The 4.4 wasn't a great motor in my humble opinion for a couple of reasons. Firstly the casting process of these motors by Leyland Australia left a shitload to be desired and many of these have pourous and inconsistent alloy around the cylinder liners causing hot spots with some blocks that just cannot be fixed.
Yes back in the day they were a popular choice for engine conversions (stags, hiluxes, boats etc) because of their light weight but you had to get a good one first. An engine rebuild specialist I used to know of in Brisbane will only use these blocks after they have been x-rayed to determine their condition before spending money building a motor. In his words, he disgards 8 out of 10 of these blocks.
The other problem they had was with the re-designed crank that caused the bores to wear oval prematurely (the humble and gutless 3.5 never had these problems).
Their heads were definately better than the Rover heads (although not as good as the Buick 300 versions) as they flowed better so produced better and more power. The local pick was the Leyland Terrier Truck heads as they were the best of the 4.4 motors. I took one of these 4.4 motors out to 5 litres by inserting jag liners and using Holden pistons running a 4 barrel manifold and Holley Projection. That motor was a stump puller but in the end I went with a 350 chev motor and had truckloads more power for a couple of grand. If you wanna rev, get a chev ;)
I know of a local guy here who regularly races a hot street legal P76 and by all accounts it bloody flies so they can be made to perform. But I built, raced and thrashed these motors for a number of years and in my opinion they were never that good ...... particularly without my rose coloured glasses on :)
Actually I've got one last 4.4 crank in my shed if anyone wants it .. free of course :)
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BUMP...........The VOR is down to $1600. I don't care about the shitbox claims, it'd make a great collector bike for the future for $1600.
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Ditto Mark
I have got the VOR 504 and a Cannondale, the perfect trifecta would include the Vertemati . Still need to find a Veryemati.
Four stroke collection
1. 510 Husky 1989
2. Husaberg 550 2004
3. VOR 504
5. Cannondale
6. Suzuki Rm 450 2005
7. Honda CR 450 2005 and 2013
8. Yamamaha 426
9. Bill Bell Honda 410
10.
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I remember looking at the VOR's when they were new. The magazine tests on them were positive as far as handling and power delivery went. How well they hold together I don't know, some one who owns one would be better to advise on that, as well as hunting down parts. But I have always liked the idea of owning one of them as well as a Cannodale. But I own enough rusting metal as it is.