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Marque Remarks => Husqvarna => Topic started by: TooFastTim on September 30, 2013, 07:47:38 pm
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2014
KTM Husky..
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If they are selling them for the same price as the 2013 wr 300's I'll take 2...
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2013 WR300 = $8k, Next year 2013 WR300 = $3k 8)
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2013 WR300 = $8k, Next year 2013 WR300 = $3k 8)
Huskies have been the poor cousin, technology lacking bike of the mx and enduro world for a long time now. If it takes painting a ktm in traditional husky colours and calling it a "new" husky to have them return to the fold in the off road world then so be it. This was always gonna happen as soon as the deal was done on the husky purchase and the closely following closure of Husaberg. I reckon they look awesome, might even trade my 2012 Husaktmberg for one ;D
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They look better in white than in orange or blue. Lose the Redbull signage and replace it with a big blue "H", and it might even become a good looking bike.
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They look better in white than in orange or blue. Lose the Redbull signage and replace it with a big blue "H", and it might even become a good looking bike.
ditto ;)
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If it takes painting a ktm in traditional husky colours and calling it a "new" husky to have them return to the fold in the off road world then so be it.
I agree, but I'm hoping that Peier (sp?) will give the Swedes free reign and eventually let them design their own.
They look better in white than in orange or blue. Lose the Redbull signage and replace it with a big blue "H", and it might even become a good looking bike.
Yup, that would look way cool.
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I prefer a white KTM over orange BUT what I think is the good news is that World Motocross is having a 300cc twostroke class !!!! Maybe one of the Jap companies might make a 300?
Seriously, if Japan made either a 300 twostroke and/or a 350 fourstroke, they would outsell the KTM/Husky counterpart.
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would look a LOT better in Orange. Its like rebadging a Commodore as a Toyota etc, marketing ploy only for the suckers.....us! Buy Orange! Or if you really need the extra buy the Six Days.
Huskys biggest problem is Paul Feeney but Leisky is trying hard, we shall see, i am betting Feeney. Whilst on Feeney, he is a TOP bloke from personal experience, BUT i have seen some VERY ordinary warranty backup from his company......enough to stopy me every having a "white Kato" if he is distributing them.
Kt.
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would look a LOT better in Orange. Its like rebadging a Commodore as a Toyota etc, marketing ploy only for the suckers.....us! Buy Orange! Or if you really need the extra buy the Six Days.
Huskys biggest problem is Paul Feeney but Leisky is trying hard, we shall see, i am betting Feeney. Whilst on Feeney, he is a TOP bloke from personal experience, BUT i have seen some VERY ordinary warranty backup from his company......enough to stopy me every having a "white Kato" if he is distributing them.
Kt.
I've previously heard that Feeny has a contract to be the Ausse Husky importer/distributor that lasts for another few years.
Don't know how true it is, but seems plausible.
I agree with you about badge engineering, but I think the bikes look better in white. IMHO, the KTM Six Days are bloody awful, cosmetically speaking.
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More pics: http://moto.mpora.com/features/products/first-look-the-brand-new-husqvarna-tc300-unveiled.html
(http://moto.mpora.com/features/products/first-look-the-brand-new-husqvarna-tc300-unveiled.html)
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Its a shame its called a TC & not CR
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It's basically the Husaberg with different decals..
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Its a shame its called a TC & not CR
Yep strange one that.
TCs have always been a fourstroke.
CRs have been a 2 stroke.
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They look better in white than in orange or blue. Lose the Redbull signage and replace it with a big blue "H", and it might even become a good looking bike.
Your wish came true Nathan
http://motocross.transworld.net/1000153468/features/husqvarna-is-back-in-2014/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=husqvarna-is-back-in-2014
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not sure if i am seeing right, but the enduro ones have a LINKAGE.....no pds on the Husky?
Kt
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the latest sx kato's have a linkage don't tney?
The last few huskys have been awesome but no "button"....the 250's will frighten a300 kato easily and are very light (125) feeling.
the 300 husky's are rip snorting engines that put a few people off.
They need the "competition" cyl head to run great.
BMW really had them going in the right direction.....but no button....
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not sure if i am seeing right, but the enduro ones have a LINKAGE.....no pds on the Husky?
Kt
Well spotted KTM181!
Mmmmm I have a 501 Berg, not a major fan of the PDS! The rest of the bike I like.
Might have to have a closer look at a Husky ;-)
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BMW really had them going in the right direction.....
I can't agree with that at all.. I worked for Feeney in the Husky race team for several years and the bikes built by BMW are a step backwards, so much so that Husqvarna no longer have a motocross team and the only enduro bike they race are the TE250 & 310 which were built by the Italians, along with the 250 and 300 2 strokes which are still competitive. The BMW built 449 & 511 are not competitive and poor sellers.
The purchase by the KTM boss is the best thing to happen to Husqvarna in a long time and the bikes will finally be competitive again..
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Nothing wrong with a properly set up PDS & great in the bush with nothing hanging down to get snagged on stuff. Maybe different on an MX track, but I ride my "Berg TE250 in both and have no issues at all. I had a Husky WR250 before the 'Berg and the Husky engine is way stronger than the "Berg/KTM, it's an awesome motor. The complete package of the 'Berg is better though. The new Husky's (aka KTM/Husaberg) look trick.
K
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Nothing wrong with a properly set up PDS & great in the bush with nothing hanging down to get snagged on stuff. Maybe different on an MX track, but I ride my "Berg TE250 in both and have no issues at all. I had a Husky WR250 before the 'Berg and the Husky engine is way stronger than the "Berg/KTM, it's an awesome motor. The complete package of the 'Berg is better though. The new Husky's (aka KTM/Husaberg) look trick.
K
Very rare to get a snag on a linkage in my view
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Im with Big K, the PDS is fine and simple. I hate fiddling with bloody linkages cos some Mook could not be bothered greasing them. too many fiddly bits!
they are usually "special" bearings so you are forced to buy dealer bits at great cost
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The picture you are looking at is the motocross 300. The Enduro bikes will still be PDS as are the KTM's.
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It looks like the new Enduro models do get the linkage rear end..
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So KTM bring a linkage to the table. WOW. Hardly innovative and ground breaking cutting edge technology that KTM fans will spew out to all that listen.
At least BMW tried to introduce some new technology..... one day it'll be back maybe reinvented by KTM spin doctors like they did with PDS or should I say the Ohlins/Husqvarna ITC system.
I look forward to the new auto with countershaft/pivot drive.
Signed
still bitter!
PS like the colour scheme, they just need to get rid of the poxy angular guards and lines.
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If they where smart they would have kept Husaberg.....they would have 3 brands so 3 sets of dealerships and more marketshare....the Berg owners would have kept buying them, same as the devoted Husky people and there premier (not premium) brand KTM would have ticked over as well.....bad marketing mistake if you ask me.....the cost of manufacture would have come right down with the 3 similar models and then they could sell them cheaper....everybody would win.....but hey, I'm just a dumb mechanic....what would I know compared to an over paid marketing guru?
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So KTM bring a linkage to the table. WOW. Hardly innovative and ground breaking cutting edge technology that KTM fans will spew out to all that listen.
Could it be a way for KTM to revert to linkage whilst saving face?
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So KTM bring a linkage to the table. WOW. Hardly innovative and ground breaking cutting edge technology that KTM fans will spew out to all that listen.
Could it be a way for KTM to revert to linkage whilst saving face?
KTM has had linkage on their motocrossers for 2 years.
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It looks like the new Enduro models do get the linkage rear end..
(http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc374/JohnnyO31/2014-husqvarna-te3001_zps58e84ae5.jpg) (http://s1208.photobucket.com/user/JohnnyO31/media/2014-husqvarna-te3001_zps58e84ae5.jpg.html)
And this linkage system looks a lot like the old Yamaha WR200 2 stroke linkage system
where the bottom of the shock mount use to hang down past the linkages looking for a tree branch
or stump to rip it out.
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Hmm
Berg 4 strokes
Husky 2 strokes and
Orange ones.
If essentially they're badge engineering and only changing colours, stickers and badges. Then why wouldn't you keep all three, unless of course Europe has the equivalent of our ACCC.
You know it makes sense!
I'm not sure I like the idea of riding a KTM with different stickers. But I've only got one eye.
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KTM has had linkage on their motocrossers for 2 years.
Oh, yeah. Forgot about that. Funny that they have been so reluctant to go back to linkage on the enduro bikes.
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The 85 had a radial mount caliper, first on a dirt bike?
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I'm not sure I like the idea of riding a KTM with different stickers. But I've only got one eye.
You'll eventually get used to it just like everyone got used to riding rebadged Cagivas 25 years ago..
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Can't believe we are still talking about a new colour scheme on an existing bike. Hardly ground breaking. KTM have destroyed all Euro opposition. Well done.
Grahame
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The local Husky dealer is hoping they will come out with a "Husky" Freeride. He loves mine but won't buy from the "opposition"
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The "linkage "on KTM's was part of when Stefan Everts came over to run/design the next generation KTM MX bikes.....that's also why the rear guard is so long....Yamaha wouldn't let Stefan design anything....how stupid was Yamaha?
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The local Husky dealer is hoping they will come out with a "Husky" Freeride. He loves mine but won't buy from the "opposition"
It is really great how there is nothing really new in marketing.
The Freeride is a great bike and concept just like the Bully Alpine, Monty Cota T and what was the Ossa equivalent? from the early 70s through to early '80s. Built off trials bike basics with larger fuel capacity, slightly larger seat, slightly wider ratio gears etc giving a great trail bike with a trials bike slant.
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That "Linkage" looks EXACTLY the same as the one fitted to the 87/88 WR 400 Husky in my shed.
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and what was the Ossa equivalent?
Explorer
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This is just my opinion, but in the bush when the going gets tough, you want to be on a European bike although it may well be different in MX. European enduro bikes are built for wet, shitty snot with power delivery to suit, coz that's what they ride in most of the time. Jap enduro bikes are built for the Americans who ride in totally different conditions. With KTM being the bench mark in enduro bikes, the "new" Huskies can only be a good thing. I'd have one in a pinch.
K
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The "linkage "on KTM's was part of when Stefan Everts came over to run/design the next generation KTM MX bikes.....that's also why the rear guard is so long....Yamaha wouldn't let Stefan design anything....how stupid was Yamaha?
Actually Warren Willing design the linkage for KTM when the moto GP team folded and he had little on but still contracted to KTM for the year. Stefan merely turn up when testing had started and confirmed what Warren had told them.
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Jap enduro bikes are built for the Americans who ride in totally different conditions.
US east coast enduros are pretty tough. And snotty and muddy....
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Linkage rears are far more tolerant of poor setup than PDS. A properly sorted PDS is as good as a properly sorted linkage rear - but the performance of the PDS falls away more dramatically when the set-up is compromised.
Where a well set up linkage rear will still work very well with a rider 5kg heavier or lighter than the optimum, PDS starts getting uncooperative.
The other thing is that once you've got the telescopic needle, bladder, etc etc, a lot of the PDS' benefits (simplicity/ease of manufacture/etc) are minimised.
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Hmmm, the more I look at them, the more I want one!!!!!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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That "Linkage" looks EXACTLY the same as the one fitted to the 87/88 WR 400 Husky in my shed.
my 87 has a central horizontal link with the shock mounted up and out of the way. ? 85 or 86 maybe looks the same? I know thet have more links.
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KTM have destroyed all Euro opposition. Well done.
There's still the boutique brands: Gasser, Beta, TM. I admire KTM for the way they recovered from their bankruptcy in 92'ish and since gone from strength to strength and, as somebody else mentioned, Husky were probably going to go tits up in the next few years anyway. I just hope that Pierer lets Husky return to its Swedish roots. The launch of the '14's in Sweden was a nice touch.
Linkage rears are far more tolerant of poor setup than PDS. A properly sorted PDS is as good as a properly sorted linkage rear - but the performance of the PDS falls away more dramatically when the set-up is compromised.
Where a well set up linkage rear will still work very well with a rider 5kg heavier or lighter than the optimum, PDS starts getting uncooperative.
The other thing is that once you've got the telescopic needle, bladder, etc etc, a lot of the PDS' benefits (simplicity/ease of manufacture/etc) are minimised.
Good points Nathan. I'd never thought about it that way.
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I luv the pds system, so easy to work on and nothing to go wrong, Nathans right about set up, although more so in an MX setting than in the bush.