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Marque Remarks => Suzuki => Topic started by: jimg1au on May 17, 2008, 06:40:09 pm
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hi
i have been offered a 95% complete ts185 points ignitoin.thats all i know about it.all i have to do is drive for 3 hours and pick it up.
will a 125 cylinder fit on so i can convert it to a pre 75 125 ride.speed is not important just an other ride
as i have 250 360 plus open slider class
cheers
jim
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Nope . different engine all together. some of the gearbox and clutch interchange.
Hmm points on a 185? I thought they were all PEI
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they were all CDI Pokey, the 125 on the otherhand didn't get CDI till about '78. An engine number would clear things up ;)
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yeah thought so Doc. the 185 was the first to have them.
well I wonder what jimg1au has got himself?
what about the TC185 Doc I know they had an alternator but thats about it
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Looks like the TC has an alternator and points according to the ALPHA sport parts diagrams.
I was checking to see if I needed a CDI to suit my "new" TC motor. :)
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Thanks Brent. looks like thats what jim may have .. Bit heavy for a MX bike i think but not impossible .
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I'm putting a TC185 motor into my second TM125 roller to build a pre75, 250 class vinduro bike.
Pretty much a copy of the bike I built in about 76 but it had a TS motor. This was a popular conversion in NZ at that time. Then the PE's came along..................................
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sounds like a plan mate. wouldnt the side casing get hung up on a few things being a TC? I know it sticks out about 4 or so inches
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have to wait for a couple of weeks before i go and get it so i will post the engine no then.the bike definatly has points as it is at my brothers house and he had a look at it
cheers
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Pokey I really can't remember how big the casing is it's been so long since I've seen one. From what I've found it looks like some TC185's were elecric start! That would be interesting.
This motor will get all the fitting work and mods (minimal) done and get me going. I'm really looking forward to this one
Brent
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Brent, the TC motor is really really heavy :o about 25kgs heavier than the TS185 and I don't think all this extra weight was in the chrome carrier. The big generator/starter motor on this model are 12 volt and the windings are huge..not so dis-similar to my 'leccy start GTS185 which I 'MUST' finish ;D
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OK, so the bike in question has a silver tank, with a blue and an orange stripe.
Chrome rear guard, plastic front guard (was painted orange, now mostly back to the original semi-opaque plastic colour.
Frame number is: 90823
Engine number is: 90856
Odo shows under 945kms, and yes it works! 8)
And in case you haven't guessed, the bike doesn't belong to Jim anymore...
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Congrats nathan and welcome to the dark side ;)
what you have there be a 74 L model TS185.... without points.
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Thanks Pokey.
And yes, I found the CDI box this arvo....
I was planning on doing the patina thing with it, but I think I'm going to give the ol' girl a big freshen up. The crank is full of gunk, so it's locked up. And things like the battery holder need some love if they are to remain usable in the longer term.
So if I'm at the point where I'm splitting the cases and tarting up a lot of parts, then I may as well make it a nice bike...
I'm in search of:
seat cover,
front guard,
chain guard,
exhaust heat shield,
sticker set,
whatever is supposed to go on the frame below the exhaust (some sort of side cover?),
rear spoke set,
and nice rims (F & R),
Alternatively, a nice complete rear wheel will do the job too.
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No cover below the pipe Nathan. that bolt hole on the frame is for the hop up kit pipes .
is a bloke just south of brisbane that has a box full of seat covers for them if i can dig out his contact details will PM them to you.
stickers for that model cost a bomb but are available in england
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The TF185 Agibikes still to this day new have the same rear wheel..............I am certain, got one in 73 TS125 from a TF185. Nathan another tip think about getting the "Zedder" cross reference program for Suzuki . I have had for some time and found it very useful. cheers Tim
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Tim the Zedder software is good but it has it's limitationss and homework is still needed to get better search results. For example it does not show substitute numbers only the model the actual part number fits. Say you are hunting a rear chain adjuster for the TS. You go to yee ol' parts book and get the number and feed it into zedder and it comes up with 90 models, wow! but even better is then go to Alphasports and see if that number superceeds or if maybe they shown aanother number. If it does sup. or if a different number is given then feed that into zedder and you may well come up with another 90 models that used the new number. A little homework helps but it's the best we've ever had it in relation to parts and listings and the software available to the public. Parts books or microfiche were once sacred and only for the shop owners eyes unless he could not find the bit you needed and had to point it out ::)
I also found out something interesting today..a factory kitted TS185 is actually not a 185 but sleeved back to 175. Onto a little more indepth info on these kits hopefully. I've just stumbled upon a US Suzuki factory test rider from the late 60's to early '70's by the name of William (Bill, Willie) Harden.
Firko, you may have have heard of Willie, he was sort or finishing off as I was getting into things in the early 70's? There was another high profile rider of the time named Bill Harding not Hardin who was not the same person. Anyway we struck up a little conversation via emails. He successfully raced road circuits on early zooks but he also successfully raced the kitted 185's 250's and converted A100's for the 100 class, bikes he built at California Suzuki for AMA events of the era. Some great pictures of these bikes I've seen already and I'll post em' as soon as the forum linking prob is sorted. He was also the guy riding the TS125/185 and others in the official sales brochure pictures. I was/am mainly hunting after any '69 TS250 DT info but any info for any of the late 60's early 70's zook singles is worth knowing and archiving for future vintage enthusiasts I'd reckon. Bill may not have much info onhand but worth a try as he had the factory backup and expertise. The kitted TS185 ran in the 200cc class over in the US and by all accounts were the QUOTE "Bultaco Killers" UNQUOTE of the day ;)
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1968 A100
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the TS185
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and the kitted TS125 from 1972
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the Zedder software is good but it has it's limitationss and homework is still needed to get better search results.
Too true. Zedder insists that AT1 and CT1 have the same piston, when in reality it's the main difference between the two bikes.
A good tool, but definitely one with limitations. And like the saying goes: A man's gotta know his tools' limitations (and now wait for Twistandshout to turn that into something smutty).
Anyhow, thanks to halo, there's a seat cover on its way. :)
And thank to Tim, I now know that the TC100 is a 73 model. :)
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Doc how different is my TS125K frame from a TM125 same era? Can I source TM parts and bits eg. tank seat for easy fit up ? Cheers Tim
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Ironically Tim you have just mentioned 2 parts that do require some frame modding to fit and 2 items I wished to retain for the TS appearances. (I personally think the early R model TS125 styling looks nicer than the TM125) The TM engine, exhaust, ignition, wheels, forks, triples etc etc are direct bolt in items. The TS frame is different to TM but only in minor areas like fuel tank , seat , frame sidecovers and footpeg mountings. The TS frame is infact lighter than the TM frame and I have never seen a TS frame break so there is no compromise with strength. you did see my TS125MX I'm building?? It need the bore cleaned up and new piston kit fitted and she's ready to rock and roll. ;)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3134/2550900562_dc5830b1a9_o.jpg)
this TS should prove more than a match for a regular TM125 on a smoother vintage track. The suspension upgrade is next on my plan of attack ;)
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Ahh that is the way to go! The pipe Suzuki or not? Cheers Tim
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yup Tim sure is, TS125 kit pipe I purchased from Cyclegod over in the west ;)