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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: RED ALERT on July 04, 2013, 11:09:51 am
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http://jalopnik.com/arizona-fire-destroys-9-000-motorcycles-in-one-night-633898744
This sounded like a real tragedy, then I read the comments about the owner. :-\
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Gee, That is a Shame. :(
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Can you say Karma? The owner of that junkyard is the biggest a-hole in the state of Arizona. The comments below the article are all true.
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OMG the works bikes. ;D
Really he had some tasty stuff maybe he should have sold some of it. Wonder if he had insurance.
Sounds like this guy knew him well.
The owner isn't actually running a business - he's a disturbed individual with a hoarding disorder and possibly OCD. He seems unstable, so I wouldn't recommend visiting as a "tourist" either. He wont hesitate to put his hands on you if you touch anything in his yard, wont sell 99% of what you see (including -anything- you show interest in), and the rare item he says he -will- sell is going to be quoted at a ridiculous and non-negotiable price (500$ and up for parts worth vastly less). I get the feeling that he only sells a few parts every month to the truly desperate or stupid, and lives off the proceeds while continuing to grow his pile toward the sky. Of course, this is also one of the most amazing treasure piles you'll ever see rusting away into dirt - ever seen a Messerschmitt 3 wheeler outside of a museum? He's got 3 of them, rotting in the sun, NOT FOR SALE of course. Words can't describe the breadth and insanity of this "collection" of bicycles, motorcycles, scooters, etc etc etc. There are some of the rarest pieces of 2-wheeled history just sitting there stacked in a pile and forgotten. If it ever rode on 2-3 wheels, he's got it, and he's going to keep it until the sun and rain finally drive it back into the earth from whence it came
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At least no more lives were lost in attempts to extinguish the blaze, sounds like the guy was barely worth saving too. I often think about this scenario when I see or hear of large "collections" of bikes belonging to those who only keep them for conversation or ego's sake, some folks refuse to allow anyone else the privilege of becoming the custodian of a lovely machine yet something like this happens and all is lost for enterity!! Maybe we should lobby for a law to be implemented :D make it illegal to own any more than 10 motorcycles over 20 years old if you don't have adequate, under cover storage for them!! Sorry....that's my pipe calling....time to go in for another dream :D ;)
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Seems a tragedy and luckily no loss of life , as for his hoarding ??? I imagine he bought and paid for the bikes HIMSELF, probably many of them when nobody else wanted them . at this stage in his life he's probably that eccentric bloke ( or more likely the lunatic or idiot down the road who waste all his money on that old shit ) .
Time passes and things cycle (no pun intended ) and this thing called VMX is created and takes off. Suddenly he becomes that miserable prick down the road who's got all those cool old bikes that he paid nothing for ( the fact that he bought them with HIS money and has stored then on HIS property for 20 yrs and put up with the snides of the clever bastards who said he was a Lunatic) is lost on them .
He wont sell anything , WTF should he its his to do with as he chooses ( see above ) the reality is probably that the clever bastards who were laughing for 20 yrs wanted to get bikes from him but wanted to pay what he paid for them not current market value .
It irrelevant now as there all gone ::) but I have seen this scenario a few times both here and in the UK ( fortunately not the firey end ) but the bullshit small minded attitude of those who feel entitled ::)
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Although the loss of life is always the biggest tragedy in bush fires, there's always collateral damage like those bikes in Arizona. In the Victorian bushfires a few years ago a genuine factory lightweight E type Jag and a rare Cooper F2 were lost in one shed and another bloke lost the 40 Ford coupe hot rod he'd owned for 30 years which was nearing the end of a 5 year rebuild. Who knows what other gems have been lost in bushfires....sad but those 19 fire fighters is the real tragedy in Arizona.
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One should be able to do what they like with their stuff
It is extremely frustrating thou when people like Mike here are clearly suffering from mental illness and they do themselves little favour by flaunting their stuff in front of people. I have learnt over the years that you must stay away from these types as they do your head in. They don’t really want to sell anything just flaunt and they need that ego thing when they have something you desire it’s what feeds there illness.
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sad but those 19 fire fighters is the real tragedy in Arizona.
Hear hear Mark , nobody should lose their life at work , its just wrong >:(
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Maybe we should lobby for a law to be implemented :D make it illegal to own any more than 10 motorcycles over 20 years old if you don't have adequate, under cover storage for them!! Sorry....that's my pipe calling....time to go in for another dream :D ;)
I'll have to vote against you Rookie. I'm one of those people. It's called hoarding, and I love it ;D
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Maybe we should lobby for a law to be implemented :D make it illegal to own any more than 10 motorcycles over 20 years old if you don't have adequate, under cover storage for them!! Sorry....that's my pipe calling....time to go in for another dream :D ;)
I'll have to vote against you Rookie. I'm one of those people. It's called hoarding, and I love it ;D
Bet no more than 10 of them are out in the elements, if any!! ;)
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are out in the elements, if any!! ;)
One up on other countries......we all like our sheds ;D ;)
(http://i16.tinypic.com/62i4juh.jpg)
from the shed pics thread 8)
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That's just heart breaking, all those potential people who could of ridin for our VMX cause :'( :'(
Every time i read where a VMX event that has been called off because of Lack of Entries
I think of people like this .
Sure they can do what they like with there Money ..
But some people are not thinking that perhaps some one else may like to enjoy owning a
30 + year old bike and and competing in events as well.
Its not real good for the Future of the Sport
The Stig
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Cappra ... have you ever dealt with this person or just jumping on the band wagon ::)
So what he had a fire and lost a few treasures, he owned them ( not you ) and if he had the rarest of rare it's his loss..... not your loss.
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That's just heart breaking, all those potential people who could of ridin for our VMX cause :'( :'(
Every time i read where a VMX event that has been called off because of Lack of Entries
I think of people like this .
Sure they can do what they like with there Money ..
But some people are not thinking that perhaps some one else may like to enjoy owning a
30 + year old bike and and competing in events as well.
Its not real good for the Future of the Sport
This morning, I had that same discussion with a friend over the same issue, and he is a horder
The Stig
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Its kind of ironic,
He started a sale on 1st July 2013
http://azmikesvmxbikes.com/id75.html
Brett
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Its kind of ironic,
He started a sale on 1st July 2013
http://azmikesvmxbikes.com/id75.html
Brett
Now doesn't this inspire confidence! :D :D :D
11: I ENCOURAGE YOU to get a big trailer and a huge wad of cash and DRIVE HERE IN PERSON to visually inspect each bike first. PLEASE NOTE!! NO TEST RIDES and NO STARTING OF BIKES. You may visually inspect each bike's compression, spark, appearance, mechanical control functions, etc. to your hearts content but there will POSITIVELY ABSOLUTELY be NO STARTING or RUNNING of these bikes.
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Although this fire was in Arizona, I'm sure it's not Arizona Mike's as some seem to be thinking.
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Although this fire was in Arizona, I'm sure it's not Arizona Mike's as some seem to be thinking.
Geez Red~~You saying there is more than one of these places in Arizona ;) ;D ;D
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From the pic link above.... Please don't let what looks like a KSI have burned.... :o :o :o
(http://m8.i.pbase.com/u27/orangecones/upload/16574358.Mvc011s.jpg)
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sorry guys - have to agree with those that say leave him to himself. I don't get to ride because of work committments and have 2 bikes - am I a hoarder? Am I the death of VMX racing, does it matter whether I have 2 or 10. If I can't ride and want to restore bikes is that such a wrong thing. I always thought VMX was the broader aspect - including restoring and riding.
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To restore and not ride defeats the purpose of restoring they may as well have stayed a pile of shite in the corner.
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The percentage of bikes that are truly NOT for sale is very ,very small . It is far more likely ,that some people are NOT prepared to part with their money and offer the seller a fair price . ;) There are plenty of VMX bikes on the market right now and the interest is very little ( unless you give them away or let people ride them for free ) . I have more than 10 looking for a good home .If the new owner wants to race them every weekend , he can :D
Absolutley agree 100% :) there are more VMX bikes available than there will ever be riders , the attitude that people owning and storing as many bikes as they choose is keeping others from the sport is deluded at best ::)
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The percentage of bikes that are truly NOT for sale is very ,very small . It is far more likely ,that some people are NOT prepared to part with their money and offer the seller a fair price . ;) There are plenty of VMX bikes on the market right now and the interest is very little ( unless you give them away or let people ride them for free ) . I have more than 10 looking for a good home .If the new owner wants to race them every weekend , he can :D
Absolutley agree 100% :) there are more VMX bikes available than there will ever be riders , the attitude that people owning and storing as many bikes as they choose is keeping others from the sport is deluded at best ::)
I couldn't agree more with these posts (and it's not very often that I totally agree with Wasp ;)). It seems that a large proportion of this forum always expect a champagne quality product for a beer budget price. I have to admit that I am probably a hoarder, but if I hadn't rescued the 40 or so bikes that I own, they would mostly have ended up as landfill or thrashed to death on a saltpan by some bogan. It annoys me to see that whenever someone advertises a tidy or desirable bike for sale at a reasonable price, the armchair experts of this forum emerge to criticise and pick it to bits. This is why I usually advertise bikes that I have for sale in the Just Bikes magazine, as it seems to avoid most of the aggravation.
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I have to admit that I am probably a hoarder, but if I hadn't rescued the 40 or so bikes that I own, they would mostly have ended up as landfill or thrashed to death on a saltpan by some bogan.
One of those you saved is in my care Mark. I love it. 8)
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Mavman - you have to be kidding right! Let something stay a pile of shite and disappear for ever because it won't be ridden? Even the purests who advocate riding would say that is wrong - even in your opinion it should be the "lesser of two evils"!!
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sorry guys - have to agree with those that say leave him to himself. I don't get to ride because of work committments and have 2 bikes - am I a hoarder? Am I the death of VMX racing, does it matter whether I have 2 or 10. If I can't ride and want to restore bikes is that such a wrong thing. I always thought VMX was the broader aspect - including restoring and riding.
I am a proud restorer , all projects are paid for , I have done my riding with the bikes when they where brand new in the respective era . Therefore if I need my fix to have a ride on them ( which is not often ;D) I go to a property with family or friends and camp, ride, shoot or what ever and NO politics . All this ride at all cost is only benefiting MA and nobody else . If I want to ride every weekend , I would get a new KTM and line up in the open class . Then I can see how good (or bad ;D) I really am . The scores of the past are on the board and can not be changed . We can only celebrate the era but cannot turn the clock back and rewrite history . So , hoard , restore , treasure or run them into the ground , do what you have to , as long as EVERYBODY is allowed to do what they love doing . :-*
Don't forget the buying and selling, if a person enjoys doing that, then there is no harm done.
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sorry guys - have to agree with those that say leave him to himself. I don't get to ride because of work committments and have 2 bikes - am I a hoarder? Am I the death of VMX racing, does it matter whether I have 2 or 10. If I can't ride and want to restore bikes is that such a wrong thing. I always thought VMX was the broader aspect - including restoring and riding.
I am a proud restorer , all projects are paid for , I have done my riding with the bikes when they where brand new in the respective era . Therefore if I need my fix to have a ride on them ( which is not often ;D) I go to a property with family or friends and camp, ride, shoot or what ever and NO politics . All this ride at all cost is only benefiting MA and nobody else . If I want to ride every weekend , I would get a new KTM and line up in the open class . Then I can see how good (or bad ;D) I really am . The scores of the past are on the board and can not be changed . We can only celebrate the era but cannot turn the clock back and rewrite history . So , hoard , restore , treasure or run them into the ground , do what you have to , as long as EVERYBODY is allowed to do what they love doing . :-*
Don't forget the buying and selling, if a person enjoys doing that, then there is no harm done.
Dead right , if that's what butters your cracker go for it :) However it becomes a standing joke when someone continually publicly states "this ones a Keeper " then promptly sells it on ;)
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So it is Arizona Mike or another collector of all things 2 wheeled?
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(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/arizona_zpsd90294b1.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/firko2/media/arizona_zpsd90294b1.jpg.html)
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It was not Arizona Mike. All Bikes Sales had all kinds of motorcycles. Lot's of street stuff as well as some vintage. Arizona Mike might be high on his prices, but he is not a mental case! (I don't think)
The owner of All Bikes was a rude, unpredictable fellow. He would sooner let bikes turn to dust then to sell it to you. I suppose that is his right, and I only tried to buy one bike from him. It was a Montesa
360 GP that was in really bad shape. I told him I would have to think about it and he got all pissed off and escorted me off the property! Unkind words were exchanged and I never went back. I was not alone
in this mistreatment and many of us motorcycle enthusiast's in Arizona are celebrating his demise.
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Dingo Dong the witch is dead ;D
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Dingo Dong the witch is dead ;D
That provocative line is gonna haunt this forum for years now!! :D
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That provocative line is gonna haunt this forum for years now!!
Yeah, I thought she died a few months ago. ;)
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Just got word from Arizona Mike about 5 minutes ago, he is safe and cool, the fires were 80 miles away from him.
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Dingo Dong the witch is dead ;D
That provocative line is gonna haunt this forum for years now!! :D
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Can't imagine the Munchkins singing that!