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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: NR555 on June 18, 2013, 12:07:56 pm
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This has gone ballistic on the VitalMX forums. This kid has managed to qualify for the Lorettas amateur nationals on the old CR. Rear drum brake & all!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GE5dQwAgyI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GE5dQwAgyI)
And we need these modern fangled four strokes for what reason again?
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Pfft .... I think he should be disqualified for having such an advantage ;D ;D
In fact the modern bike sellers had better give him a free new bike to slow him down and stop him from showing up their current product range ;D
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Cool.
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Goes to show what we allready know about old bikes,more than capable in the right hands ;)
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How freakin cool is that. Hopefully someone sponsors him and gives him an 87 model for the next race.
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Thats Classic!
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Hopefully someone sponsors him and gives him an 87 model for the next race.
I know the kid deserves a modern ride but it'd spoil the whole novelty/ vintage feel for what he's achieving. He'll get way more press and sponsor potential riding his old Elsinore than he would being just another racer on a four stroke. It just goes to show that there hasn't been that much chassis development in the 25 years after that Honda was made as there was in the 10 years leading up to its release.
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That's really cool, and he seems like just a nice kid with loads talent, good on him, some guys win no matter what there on..... 8)
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I guess 87 is modern in some people's books ;D. That is hard core VMX for sure!
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reckon he would get more sponsors and air time by staying on the retro ..... i know id put my hand in my pocket too if he did
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Here's the original thread if anyone's interested:
http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/1985-strikes-back-at-LL-quali,1256343?page=1 (http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/1985-strikes-back-at-LL-quali,1256343?page=1)
There are guys throwing money at him to keep riding it. Even guys offering to rebuild the bike & tune his motor.
Personally, I reckon if JT don't sponsor him they must have rocks in their heads.
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The boy can ride and that bike has had some nice suspension work I love it!
http://www.hardlinemx.com/hardline/2013/4/30/jerry-robin-little-falls-14-24-b-moto-1-gopro-hardlinemx.html (http://www.hardlinemx.com/hardline/2013/4/30/jerry-robin-little-falls-14-24-b-moto-1-gopro-hardlinemx.html)
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Hopefully someone sponsors him and gives him an 87 model for the next race.
I know the kid deserves a modern ride but it'd spoil the whole novelty/ vintage feel for what he's achieving. He'll get way more press and sponsor potential riding his old Elsinore than he would being just another racer on a four stroke. It just goes to show that there hasn't been that much chassis development in the 25 years after that Honda was made as there was in the 10 years leading up to its release.
My post was tongue in cheek, I hope he stays on the old Honda if he can. I don't think an 87 model would be considered modern?
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Pure gold ;D ;D
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I'm not surprised. I once put a local hotshot on my 81 YZ 465 H at a Heaven meet at Clarence to ride in practice. When he came back in I asked what he thought. He said " How good is that thing. The only thing is the rear brake fades too quick ( he tells me that they are taught to ride the rear brake non stop to control wheel spin and to stabilize the rear of the bike ) He says he would easily win his own club round against the moderns on it. His lap times , according to my watch were the same as his current ride, a KTM factory supported 350 4T
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love it.
now i may be able to unload that 1986 CR250RG that is excess to my needs. they are a great handling bike in that era.
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His name is Jerry Robin
He has some serious talent!
http://www.hardlinemx.com/hardline/2013/6/16/rider-highlight-jerry-robin.html
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Kid is a legend.
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That's friggin awesum
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The 1985cr250 is a bit underrated, i own one with 87 forks it is the easiest bike i have been ridin. Easy=fast
Also technical a very easy bike
Maybe this kid can open the mx world the eyes ;D
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It's so true that in MX it is a lot to do with the rider. Especially at clubman level. I have often wondered how an average guy would go at say Amcross on a softer bike than the current model 450 he's riding. I recall an article in DA where the rider turned better laptimes on a DRZ400 than on his usual mount.
Regardless, this is a cool thing. Now, if he gets lots of coverage and someone picks him up and gets him on a modern, what's the odds next year half the field tries to qualify on a vintage bike? Imagine a whole bunch of kids on old school Huskies, KTMs and YZs? :D :D
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Imagine a whole bunch of kids on old school Huskies, KTMs and YZs? :D :D
;D .. and imagine how valuable our VMX bikes could become if there was such a demand ;D
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Hope he doesnt go modern ! I reckon they should stick him on a factory 85' RC and really let the cat amongst the pidgeons :D
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Now that WOULD be cool!
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Your 15 y/o and its 1985. you had an 76 dt and you came third in the local races and the Honda man came and said "how would like to ride a new for us?"
im sure you would have said "Nah... ill stick with the DT...."
he will be on a new ride by next week. he is fast and smooth and sellable.
he will be the next ricky carmichael
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I hope some factory realises now that there is a market to produce simple strong reliable easy twostroke mx bikes with steal frames 8)
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I hope some factory realises now that there is a market to produce simple strong reliable easy twostroke mx bikes with steal frames 8)
They do but they make a shit load more money selling those shitbox modern 4 strokes and the huge amount of parts required to maintain them. Their dealers sell more workshop time because people wont maintain them themselves and aftermarket 4 stroke heads , cams , pipes and carbs etc are a shit load dearer than 2T ones especially when there are 2 mufflers to replace .
Bike manufacturers are run by accountants NOT enthusiast and common sense and passion is irrelevant to those pricks .
Good luck to the kid , he is fast , humble and a credit to his generation :)
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I hope some factory realises now that there is a market to produce simple strong reliable easy twostroke mx bikes with steal frames 8)
They do but they make a shit load more money selling those shitbox modern 4 strokes and the huge amount of parts required to maintain them. Their dealers sell more workshop time because people wont maintain them themselves and aftermarket 4 stroke heads , cams , pipes and carbs etc are a shit load dearer than 2T ones especially when there are 2 mufflers to replace .
Bike manufacturers are run by accountants NOT enthusiast and common sense and passion is irrelevant to those pricks .
Good luck to the kid , he is fast , humble and a credit to his generation :)
But do these accountants not realise they starving a slow 4stroke death
By the way i see over here in the netherlands a complete rebirth of 2strokes in amature classes most ktm sx
Maybe ktm and other european brands (mostly 2stroke) gona servive the big4............
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The Japs gave KTM the biggest free kick ever when they all decided to stop making/developing two-strokes. They are selling them by the boatload. KTM produced 56,000 offroad motorcycles in 2012. That's a big number in itself, and 14,000 of them were two-strokes.
Still money in it...
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Good luck to the kid , he is fast , humble and a credit to his generation :)
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But do these accountants not realise they starving a slow 4stroke death
By the way i see over here in the netherlands a complete rebirth of 2strokes in amature classes most ktm sx
Maybe ktm and other european brands (mostly 2stroke) gona servive the big4............
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As above common sense has no place in an accountants thinking ;)
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I hope some factory realises now that there is a market to produce simple strong reliable easy twostroke mx bikes with steal frames 8)
They do, KTM and Husqvarna
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I hope some factory realises now that there is a market to produce simple strong reliable easy twostroke mx bikes with steal frames 8)
They do but they make a shit load more money selling those shitbox modern 4 strokes and the huge amount of parts required to maintain them. Their dealers sell more workshop time because people wont maintain them themselves and aftermarket 4 stroke heads , cams , pipes and carbs etc are a shit load dearer than 2T ones especially when there are 2 mufflers to replace .
Bike manufacturers are run by accountants NOT enthusiast and common sense and passion is irrelevant to those pricks .
Good luck to the kid , he is fast , humble and a credit to his generation :)
While I get your point Bill I think that the modern 4 stroke bike is a great bike and Honda (can't speak for the other brands) has always been 4 stroke aligned. Can't see anyone on a 2 stroke doing the jumps they do in supercross on a 250 two stroke? I hear a lot of storey's about the cost of 4 stroke bikes but having just done a top end rebuild on my 2010 CRF 450 it was all at very reasonable prices. give them good oil and they will run for ages.
I do agree he is a great kid and wish him all the luck in the future. what an ad for a well bought up kid and not a Red bull in sight!
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Just imagine how good he would be on a decent bike aka a 1985 Suzuki RM 250???? ;D ;D
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Now for the bad news ........................we are completely devoid of excuses from this point on. There would have been some funny looks at scruineering, but a awesome effort.
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It's not the bike, it's the rider! ;)
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Can't see anyone on a 2 stroke doing the jumps they do in supercross on a 250 two stroke?
I reckon a 350 or 400 two stroke would fix that. I keep thinking if they make a medium big bore with four stroke characteristics it would be a big seller. Like a longer stroke and smaller bore or taming the hit with a bigger flywheel etc. my yz/ wr is smooth and pulls from low revs which I assume is due to the flywheel weight.
Back to the young dude, I love what he did and his attitude. What a champ!
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Can't see anyone on a 2 stroke doing the jumps they do in supercross on a 250 two stroke?
That could be because they are a 250 2t up against 450 4t...how would it end up if a ktm 150sx vs'd a crf 150 or a ktm 250sx vs'd a ktm 250sxf
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Somebody better tell Chad ,Ricky and James that you cant jump 2-Ts', seem's that what they preferred on their practice tracks !!! or Travis and most of the freestyle blokes ,or maybe they could just bring out a 450 2-T with modern technology to 'even' the field ;D
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I remember back in 2004 when I was riding Saturday Gippsland Series in the vets at Outrim, my current bike was broken down and I had to ride my RM400C 1978. I pushed it through scrutineering and the laughs that we had when the boys looked it over - I told them "this is a trick works bike, it has 2 back shockers, not one, air-cooled, no radiators and special drum brakes for railing berms".
I got third that day out of 17, and 16 of them were on moderns.
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as usual you blokes miss the point on the 2 stroke thing. if they are so good why are they not racing them in any open class race? free style is all about explosive power and that the 250 does have also a lot lighter than a 450.
anyway my point was taken from what RC was saying as a commentator during the supercross.
I love 2 strokes myself but the 4 stroke is now just a better race bike.
sorry to have got off thread.
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And still a little off-track, Having owned modern 2-strokes and 4-strokes, the main benefit I see with the 4-stroke is how wide the powerband is, when the 2-stroke goes off the pipe it's all over but the 4-stroke just keeps making power.
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And still a little off-track, Having owned modern 2-strokes and 4-strokes, the main benefit I see with the 4-stroke is how wide the powerband is, when the 2-stroke goes off the pipe it's all over but the 4-stroke just keeps making power.
John that merely the tuning of engine , also no development work has been input from Japanese manufacturers from the mid 90's on 2 strokes. CC for CC the 4T's have a traction advantage which over comes the HP defict.
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And still a little off-track, Having owned modern 2-strokes and 4-strokes, the main benefit I see with the 4-stroke is how wide the powerband is, when the 2-stroke goes off the pipe it's all over but the 4-stroke just keeps making power.
John that merely the tuning of engine , also no development work has been input from Japanese manufacturers from the mid 90's on 2 strokes. CC for CC the 4T's have a traction advantage which over comes the HP defict.
Yeh a similar thing in Superbikes back in the 90's when the 1000cc V twins had a firing interval that allowed the power to be put to the ground compared to the 750 inline fours.
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Recently Motocross Action ran the 2012 KTM 250SXF & 250SX on a dyno, at 8,000 the SX had the horsepower lead, at 10,000 the SXF had double (!) the horsepower of the SX.
http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/TWOSTROKE-VERSUS-FOURSTROKE-2012-KTM-250SXF-VS-201-8417.aspx
But then at 6,000 the SX is double the power of the SXF, so as you say, tuning can 'rob peter to pay paul'.
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All this talk of horsepower , how many people actually racing either modern 2 or 4 strokes make use of most of the power available.
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This thead has turned it the age old 2t vs 4t, what it should be about is that the development in bikes since the mid 80s has not made them much faster. I just compair my 92 YZ/WR with my moden YZ the moden, is a better bike but not by much. I just ride in the bush not MX, if I know its not going to be a flat out serious ride, I take the WR, all the young guys on there 450s hang shite on me for the old beat up looking thing but there never waiting for me.
I have been trying to find out the race time from Finke in the mid 80s on the 500 2t compaired to the 2013 race time, my guess would be that there wouldn't be a huge differance.
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I think most people just like to see that 50 odd HP of the KTM 2 banger tuned/mapped to make even power from zero to 10'000 rpm -no powerband ,electic power doing everything the fourstroke does(plus more) with a lot less fuss ! EG running a valvetrain at between 11-13'000 rpm
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Does anyone know how the kid finished?
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Google....rider spotlight Jerry Robin 2013 Loretta Lynn for results and a good interview
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Jerry is off to South Carolina for two months training - hope he stays on the CR Honda :P
June 24, 2013 ? Interview
If you spend any time trolling the forums or watching motocross videos, you've probably heard of Jerry Robin and his 1985 CR250R. He accomplished a feat unheard of. In a sport dominated by high dollar race bikes and half-million dollar haulers, Jerry came in and proved that it's not the equipment - it's the rider that wins races. Jerry took home 2 moto wins, one in 250B and one in Two Stroke, where he earned a 2nd overall and scored a coveted spot on the gate to Loretta Lynn's. We caught up with Jerry to find out just how he did it, and what his plan is for the weeks leading up to his trip to Tennessee. If you haven't seen the video, be sure to check the embed at the bottom of the interview.
Ok, so first things first, you are probably the only kid in this millennium to qualify for Loretta's aboard a mid-80's bike. How did that deal come together?
Well, it all started 6 years ago when we bought that bike. My dad actually bought it for himself and I always wanted to ride it. I started riding it and this year I really enjoyed riding it, so I started racing it. On my 125 the whole transmission went out of it so it was kind of like we have to race the CR. So that's basically why I'm riding it.
So you didn't really have a plan to race it before the season started then, huh?
No not at all, it's just how it played out I guess.
The local race scene is a pretty tight knit community so I'm sure a lot of your friends knew what was up, but did you get some weird looks when you showed up to qualifiers with it?
Oh yea definitely! People are pointing and laughing, stuff like that. All my friends have seen me ride it and kind of know what to expect. I went out there anyway and I had the fastest lap time of the day for a while, then Cody Williams and Benny Bloss turned faster lap times so I had the 3rd fastest lap time over practice day. So, that's cool.
What was going through your head when you were sitting on the line, especially when you knew you were in contention to make it in?
Well uh, I don't know I actually feel less pressure when I'm riding that bike for some reason. I just feel like I can go out there and ride. People can judge you I guess, but you feel better about yourself, or that's how it is for me.
So what's your story, how'd you get into racing?
Well I started racing and riding about the same time, about 10 years ago. My uncle got me into it, he was diagnosed with Esophagus Cancer and he rode, same as my Dad. My dad didn't really want his kids to ride, but my uncle Mark kept riding and he said that the only way he'd get to spend time with me is if I started riding dirt bikes. So that's how that started, he passed away 8 months later but he told me that I could go pro if that's what I wanted to do and I've kind of based my life off of that and am just going for it, you know?
Did you expect things to blow up like they did after making the cut at the Millville qualifier?
Oh no, not at all. Me and my dad were talking and he thought people would really like it but it blew up way more than expected. We've been getting emails, calls, all day and all night, just off the hook. It's wild for sure!
Have you gotten some calls from some potential new sponsors?
Oh yea, a lot of people for sure.
Any plans for the bike before Loretta's?
We are definitely going to do some work to it, we are trying to find new plastic and stuff like that, we're going to take it all apart and make it look really good for Loretta's.
What's your hopes for Loretta Lynn's? Are you hoping to follow up your regional performance at Loretta's?
I sure hope so man! I feel like I kind of have something to prove and hopefully I can make it happen and make 3 consistent motos.
Thanks for taking the time to catch up with us this morning bud, good luck and we'll see you next month at the Ranch!
Oh thank you man, thanks for wanting to do the interview!
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Great interview, and sounds like he might keep riding the CR. That would be cool alright.
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he's got sponsorship 8)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/JerryRobins_zpsb6c18930.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/vmx247/media/JerryRobins_zpsb6c18930.jpg.html)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/jerryjumpin_zps12c13cae.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/vmx247/media/jerryjumpin_zps12c13cae.jpg.html)
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I have been trying to find out the race time from Finke in the mid 80s on the 500 2t compaired to the 2013 race time, my guess would be that there wouldn't be a huge difference.
John, unfortunately it will be comparing apples with oranges. Track differs in distance/terrain & preparation, refuelling is completely different, etc. Obviously the big bore 2 strokes are now outpaced by the 4 strokes.
The 2st is disadvantaged against a 4st at speed in the sand as the torque of the 4st is superior. If the 500 2st had such an advantage over the 450/500 4st every pro level non factory rider would be on a hybrid late model mx'r fitted with 500cc 2 stroke engine.
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When did 4 stroke take the outright for the first time? anyone know?
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http://www.finkedesertrace.com.au/results/hall-of-fame
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Thread hijack...
ktm 540 in 2003 so that's about when Honda stopped the cr 500?
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Great to see this kid sticking to them--something about riding an old bike against 'newer models' that drives you harder--good on him.
Changing tact slightly--down the RH side of this video where it shows [more videos] there's one of "the fastest" one arm mx'r in the world. Now while i totally respect that guy there's a guy over here [nz] who was a regular mx'r with one arm [other sitting across his waist by memory] this guy's a legend in my eyes [as is the video guy], the video guy has a super trick mechanical arm to attach to the bar [throttle side i think, that's got me thinking!!], Kiwi guy has road races on boxing day at wanganui a lot over the years plus psyched me right out at woodville mx by jumping the doubles one armed & i bloused out--don't think i rode there after that haha. Total respect to both those guys. Cheers.