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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: albrid-3 on April 22, 2013, 04:53:05 pm
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I was sitting around home today feeling sorry for myself,as I am sick with the flu, and was looking at photos of HBBB, 2013, looking at all the bikes, and wondering if this event will cater for pr90 bikes in the future.
and some of the bikes I saw where close to pre 90, well I think they were, would it improved HBBB or would it be a backward step to add pre 90. ???
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For sure it will have to cater for more modern bikes in the future just to keep a wide audience. This year the roadrace track had a special on Honda RC30's, which were '88 thru '91, so there you go?
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Dave where did you come across photos of HBBB 2013 ?
Cheers Terry .
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Drakie is a pretty staunch advocate of pre85, I think you could sneak pre87 stuff in this year but I can't see it moving on from that anytime soon. Especially with Drakie steering the ship. I kinda agree with it too, once you've got a helluva lot of usd fork, water cooled, disk brake bike's it would kinda end up a lot less "in the spirit of what he's trying to achieve. Just my 2c :)
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I heard on the grapevine that the RC30's were a SPECIAL REQUEST by Honda. Drakie is still set on pre 85 though.
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I don't know who he is though .(http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m612/Iain_Cameron/042_zps6c3b5f93.jpg)
[URL=http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/Iain_Cameron/media/040_zpsaa3d6945.jpg.html](http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m612/Iain_Cameron/040_zpsaa3d6945.jpg) (http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/Iain_Cameron/media/042_zps6c3b5f93.jpg.html)
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Thats me on my little tm125. Had a ball. :). Terry.
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Dave where to you come across photos of HBBB 2013 ?
Cheers Terry .
I have a few here...
http://www.geoffmorrisconcepts.com/11/capturing-the-moment/?filter=17
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I was sitting around home today feeling sorry for myself,as I am sick with the flu, and was looking at photos of HBBB, 2013, looking at all the bikes, and wondering if this event will cater for pr90 bikes in the future.
and some of the bikes I saw where close to pre 90, well I think they were, would it improved HBBB or would it be a backward step to add pre 90. ???
I don't think there is much more room left to accomadate more Classes or People (1) It would cut down on track time in all classes.in all events. (2) Camping is pretty well maxed out now with over 900 entry's in all classes plus the swap meet...
The Stig..
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if you fellows were a bit quicker getting round the track, track time would move faster.
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Leave it pr85 why wreck a good thing.
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Leave it pr85 why wreck a good thing.
Totally agree..
when were class's first implemented into Australian Classic MX ??
when it all began back in 91 Dargle ??
who were the 160 entries ??
;D
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Ali I came over to watch the 91 dargle meeting,just looked up the programme.
under 30
over 30
over 40 over 50 (we were younger then)
14 races saturday
14 races Sunday
Oh the memorys
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Ali I came over to watch the 91 dargle meeting,just looked up the programme.
under 30
over 30
over 40 over 50 (we were younger then)
14 races saturday
14 races Sunday
Oh the memorys
cheers where riders on pre85 bikes ??
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Your happy to have Post classic titles but your not happy if HBBB, I call that sitting on the fence.
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Your happy to have Post classic titles but your not happy if HBBB, I call that sitting on the fence.
Ones full on comp the others a social non trophy day :)
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;) ;)
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Ali I came over to watch the 91 dargle meeting,just looked up the programme.
under 30
over 30
over 40 over 50 (we were younger then)
14 races saturday
14 races Sunday
Oh the memorys
cheers where riders on pre85 bikes ??
VMX was all pre 75 and earlier back then.. Evo came in the late 90's then pre 78 followed some time later.
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ali no just to 75
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I thought I heard that HBBB was going witha rolling 25-year cut-off?
I did also hear that there was an outcry over this, which IMHO is insane.
For as long as I live, I will never understand how someone else riding a slightly newer old bike can possibly detract from your enjoyment, particularly at a non-competitive event.
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I thought I heard that HBBB was going witha rolling 25-year cut-off?
I did also hear that there was an outcry over this, which IMHO is insane.
For as long as I live, I will never understand how someone else riding a slightly newer old bike can possibly detract from your enjoyment, particularly at a non-competitive event.
Totally Agree with this. i heard about the 25 rolling cutoff too but did not know of the backlash?
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I thought I heard that HBBB was going witha rolling 25-year cut-off?
I did also hear that there was an outcry over this, which IMHO is insane
i heard about the 25 rolling cutoff too but did not know of the backlash?
It's true. As far as I know, the rolling cut off was put forward for this year, but was met with an overwhelming negative response. Not just one or two die-hards, but a lot of emails, letters and phone calls as I understand it.
I believe that the format will remain as pre 85 with 'special interest' bikes from later years included by prior arrangement, for the foreseeable future.
Tex
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I thought I heard that HBBB was going witha rolling 25-year cut-off?
I did also hear that there was an outcry over this, which IMHO is insane
i heard about the 25 rolling cutoff too but did not know of the backlash?
It's true. As far as I know, the rolling cut off was put forward for this year, but was met with an overwhelming negative response. Not just one or two die-hards, but a lot of emails, letters and phone calls as I understand it.
I believe that the format will remain as pre 85 with 'special interest' bikes from later years included by prior arrangement, for the foreseeable future.
Tex
Well put Tex as its said in another post on this Forum by Firco
the main thing with Pre 85 or Vintage events is Air cooled motors
Drum Brakes and Short travel Suspension .
Especial at event's where there is no separate classes like MX or
Road Racing .
The stig.
The Stig
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I thought I heard that HBBB was going witha rolling 25-year cut-off?
I did also hear that there was an outcry over this, which IMHO is insane
i heard about the 25 rolling cutoff too but did not know of the backlash?
It's true. As far as I know, the rolling cut off was put forward for this year, but was met with an overwhelming negative response. Not just one or two die-hards, but a lot of emails, letters and phone calls as I understand it.
I believe that the format will remain as pre 85 with 'special interest' bikes from later years included by prior arrangement, for the foreseeable future.
Tex
Well put Tex as its said in another post on this Forum by Firco
the main thing with Pre 85 or Vintage events is Air cooled motors
Drum Brakes and Short travel Suspension .
Especial at event's where there is no separate classes like MX or
Road Racing .
The stig.
The Stig
So pre-75 only?
Those bikes will always have a special place in the VMX/Vinduro world - their place in the dirt bike boom of the early-70s, and as the first building blocks of VMX.
They do not need to be jealously guarded, at the expense of later eras.
When HBBB already freely accepts bikes up to pre-85, objecting to pre-87 because of their supposed effect on pre-75 bikes makes no sense to me.
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Tex, what was the outcry?
"Don't let other people ride their old bikes, or I'll have a tantrum"?!
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Tex, what was the outcry?
"Don't let other people ride their old bikes, or I'll have a tantrum"?!
Well that's one way of looking at it I suppose. Another is that quite a few people expressed their preference that it stay as a pre 85 event.
In fairness to Drakie, he thought he was responding to the will of the people by adopting a rolling cut off, but it became clear that the majority of punters preferred otherwise.
Tex
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Yeah, but what were they objecting to? Other people having fun?! The bastards!
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Drakie's going to hate me when I eventually roll out my 86 200 ;D
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Geoff - sorry - was that roll out or roll off ;D
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Not bastards get a pre85 bike and ride it.Why do people want to change things the event is for pr85.
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I believe that the format will remain as pre 85 with 'special interest' bikes from later years included by prior arrangement, for the foreseeable future.
Of course, I could always be wrong... ::)
Tex
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I don't think so, pre 90 is here to stay.
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I like the HBBB the way it is. I have a Suzuki RM250 1989 and I think it is not much different to most modern bikes out there on the track. The beauty of pre85 is that it gives us an excuse to ride and look at other pre85 bikes that are interesting to look at from an era and from technologies so much different to today
Perhaps in another 10 years there will be stronger support for pre90 as they become a part of nostalgia
Keep up the good work Drakie!
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Not bastards get a pre85 bike and ride it.Why do people want to change things the event is for pr85.
The rest of the VMX world has moved on, and will continue to move on. Why the non-competitive events listen to the whingers, is beyond me.
If allowing pre-90 actually had a negative impact on anyone (ie: if there was actually a rational argument against allowing pre-90), then I'd be much less vocal...
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Don't worry Nath, it's just the old alloy arm syndrome associated with Pre 90 ::)
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Don't worry Nath, it's just the old alloy arm syndrome associated with Pre 90 ::)
Yeah, righto - point taken! :D
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Why the non-competitive events listen to the whingers, is beyond me
Beyond me too. You mean the whingers who keep trying to change an existing format to suit the bikes they have in their shed, right? ;)
Tex
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At the risk of alienating some of my friends in the Pre '90 movement I believe HBBB and Classic Dirt should not include Pre '90 at his point in time. In fact I think Evo and Pre '85 are too young as well.
Vintage MX needs marquee events like these to showcase the roots of the sport and anything that encourages the older bikes to participate should be the goal. There are plenty of race meetings all over the country for you to ride your later bikes and if your looking for non-competitive events there are plenty of Vinduro's to attend.
Even though I have only a slight interest in the older bikes I enjoy going to Classic Dirt each year not for the riding but more for spectating and socialising.
Cheers
Shaun
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....if your looking for non-competitive events there are plenty of Vinduro's to attend.
Not for pre-90, there isn't... ;)
Based on the numbers we see, both CD and HBBB would be dead in the water if they limited themselves to pre-78 and older.
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Having younger bikes does not take anything away from the older machines, Man if my little brother took his '92 CR250 he would still love to check-out a pre 75 machine!
If the years do not roll-on we lose new enthusiasts. How is the post-classic champs ever going to succeed if we don't start planting the seeds for them?
Or do you force the newer generation to start their own events (as per Viper) and let the older generation fade away.
I don't know about you guys but I love to be around MX enthusiasts, whether they be owners of a CCM500, RM370 or 300EXC.
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HBBB isn't just for VMX . The dirt track and speedway was well attended BUT.,,,, I was blown away with the road race turn out.
It is up to the organisers to determine what the cut off date is but going by the turn up this year I don't think the older
generation will ''fade away''. As for pre '90, to young IMO. at the moment. sorry blokes.
Regards Mark
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HBBB isn't just for VMX . The dirt track and speedway was well attended BUT.,,,, I was blown away with the road race turn out.
It is up to the organisers to determine what the cut off date is but going by the turn up this year I don't think the older
generation will ''fade away''. As for pre '90, to young IMO. at the moment. sorry blokes.
Regards Mark
There are people that think both ways. But there is never a real (good) argument as to why they can't be ( as Nathan had said).
You say too young. Well for the affirmative (in general) vmx was created in 1988 in Oz. Pre 75 was the only class. So a '74 bike was 14 years old. An '89 model bike is now 24 years old. That's plenty old enough.
Also I'm an 80's guy. I had an '85 cr500 when I was 18. Why can't I ride and reminisce about the good old days. Why do the good old days stop in 1984? Again this is in general but includes HBBB in my 'argument'.
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yeah what he said ;D
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+2
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pre 90 bikes are here to stay either you like it or not, next year pre 90 bikes will be catered for at HBBB, and it want make a crap of difference to the easter weekend, so suck it up and be part of it and enjoy the atmosphere.
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090 Ur statement is spot on mate !!!
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yeah what he said ;D
Correct statement & answer
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Whether i agree or disagree with HBBB is pretty irrelevant, and so is all of this opinion sharing here. Its been proven most recently that not amount of "ground swell" on here amounts to much when push comes to shove and it comes time for people actually do something, if there are so many who want and feel HBBB should be a Pre90 catered event why don't you all get together and write a submission to the organisers of the event, MA and possibly even directly to Drakie. Thats the only thing that may see you getting your way, i do understand that its most relevant to MX and Vinduro as from what i've seen the road circuits and speedway are pretty loose on what goes and ive seen plenty of post 85 stuff out and around those loops without any heads rolling. So maybe for a bit of credibility a joint submission with the signed backing of Viper, Heaven, QVMX etc etc is what you all need to make it happen., i'm only guessing but i'd be pretty confident that if you state your case clearly and fairly, with reasonable justification as to why it should be pre 90 you just might get the answer your looking for.
As for me personally, i'm not gonna be having any less fun if i'm looking at a 89mdl CR or YZ whilst i toodle around on whatever 84mdl steed i choose to ride ;)
Cheers, Brendan
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OK. I give up already 090. I'm on your side.
regards Mark
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pre 90 bikes are here to stay either you like it or not, next year pre 90 bikes will be catered for at HBBB, and it want make a crap of difference to the easter weekend, so suck it up and be part of it and enjoy the atmosphere.
I can't hold back a chuckle at your all of a sudden leaping onto the pre 90 bandwagon Dave. It seems like a fortnight a go you were crying out for us to build pre 65 bikes to maintain the traditions of our sport, even decrying that pre 90 bikes weren't really vintage. Why the sudden change Dave? While my main interest lies in pre linkage or twin shock era bikes and pre 70/65 in particular I can't see why HBBB should shun pre 90 bikes. As long as all if the eras get an equal grab at track time I don't see a problem.
A bigger concern to me is the seeming disinterest in the dirt side of things at HBBB by MA. Jonesy, Frank Stanborough and I attended the Saturday night banquet a couple of years ago and were a extremely pissed off at the self praising attitude shown by the evenings host (some burned out commercial radio hack), co-host Jim Scaysbrook and other officials, just about everyone given a go on stage or thanked for their contribution were involved in the road race side of the event, the dirttrack, speedway and motocross side of things only mentioned in passing. Amid all of the gratuitous back slapping on stage, the bloke who'd organised the whole shebang and had kept it all running so smoothly, Peter Drakeford wasn't given any recognition whatsoever. After two hours of cold, bland food, overpriced bargain bin quality wine and boring Alan Cathcart interviews with so called celebrities that most of us wouldn't have heard of, we left vowing never to attend that part of HBBB ever again. Whatever your thoughts on Drakie, it's bloody hard to ignore his love of the vintage dirt biking and his hard yakka in keeping the Bonanza running smoothly. It was offensive to all involved in the dirt side of the Bonanza to see how little it figured in MA's big picture and equally offensive to see Drakie's contribution ignored.
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pre 90 bikes are here to stay either you like it or not, next year pre 90 bikes will be catered for at HBBB, and it want make a crap of difference to the easter weekend, so suck it up and be part of it and enjoy the atmosphere.
I can't hold back a chuckle at your all of a sudden leaping onto the pre 90 bandwagon Dave. It seems like a fortnight a go you were crying out for us to build pre 65 bikes to maintain the traditions of our sport, even decrying that pre 90 bikes weren't really vintage. Why the sudden change Dave? While my main interest lies in pre linkage or twin shock era bikes and pre 70/65 in particular I can't see why HBBB should shun pre 90 bikes. As long as all if the eras get an equal grab at track time I don't see a problem.
A bigger concern to me is the seeming disinterest in the dirt side of things at HBBB by MA. Jonesy, Frank Stanborough and I attended the Saturday night banquet a couple of years ago and were a extremely pissed off at the self praising attitude shown by the evenings host (some burned out commercial radio hack), co-host Jim Scaysbrook and other officials, just about everyone given a go on stage or thanked for their contribution were involved in the road race side of the event, the dirttrack, speedway and motocross side of things only mentioned in passing. Amid all of the gratuitous back slapping on stage, the bloke who'd organised the whole shebang and had kept it all running so smoothly, Peter Drakeford wasn't given any recognition whatsoever. After two hours of cold, bland food, overpriced bargain bin quality wine and boring Alan Cathcart interviews with so called celebrities that most of us wouldn't have heard of, we left vowing never to attend that part of HBBB ever again. Whatever your thoughts on Drakie, it's bloody hard to ignore his love of the vintage dirt biking and his hard yakka in keeping the Bonanza running smoothly. It was offensive to all involved in the dirt side of the Bonanza to see how little it figured in MA's big picture and equally offensive to see Drakie's contribution ignored.
I think that's one of Drakies best qualities Mark, the fact the he'll keep keeping on regardless of opinions, negativity, gratiutide and appreciation or lack there of. He is one of the true "soldiers" in this scene and seems to be able to continue all of his hard work no matter what the knockers say or do. I have had the pleasure of recently working quite closely with Peter on a few happenings in the scene and his enthusiasm, positivity and work ethic towards what he loves is quite contageous. This sport/scene certainy would be much worse off without him and his constant "beating of the drum" for it. :)
Cheers, Brendan
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The Drake will always give a 110 %, even if he is outvoted on this issue with pre 90, he will soldier on, and the sheep will follow.