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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: mainline on March 08, 2013, 06:34:17 pm
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What's the best next step for a youngster after a pw80? I'd prefer a two stroke but an xr80/100 was one option I was considering. Are there any models with centrifugal clutches?
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My daughter had a 07 TTR 125 yamaha great bike they come in small wheel version and large wheel version.
and have disc front or drum version aswell.
I liked riding it aswell it never missed a beat ;)
and some models come with elec start to.
But do have a clutch sorry , it wasnt that hard to teach her to use the clutch, I started her just staying in first gear and taking off with the clutch , then moved on later to change gears.
( they are a fourstroke )
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From my own experience I would say gt/mx80 or dt mx100 something alike very learner friendly bikes cheap as chips to buy and parts are easy to get with the gt and mx80's you have 4 gears with neutral at the bottom easy for a learner to find neutral and get use to learning to use a clutch.
Plenty of others too that are very tame crf100 xr 100 a mate of mine has a ko xr75 that was a good fun easy bike to ride not restored or anything but still got along at a decent pace.
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Also my first bike was a st70 in a z50 frame no clutch great bike would even carry my dad around easily and he would have been over 100kgs back then. ;D I had so much fun on that bike I would still ride it around if it wasn't melted in the fires. :)
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It's not Paul's young one that has a problem with the clutch, it's Paul :P
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CRF/XR100 , Yamaha TTR100 DR100 . The quality not quite full size set. These are "real world" motorcycles that are easy, quiet and forgiving to youngsters. They enjoyably build confidence leading to practical, respectful and safer skill set.
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hey Mainy, how old / tall is your lad? Just got my 9yo a KX65, he was frustrated with the clutch at first and it took a few goes 9and tears) but then it all clicked for him.
hey Teddles, can you use a clutch yet or are you still riding that postie bike? :D
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Ktm65
Rekluse if you need auto clutch.
30 min and they work the clutch out!
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It's not Paul's young one that has a problem with the clutch, it's Paul :P
True, more than once I've watched the field disappear into the distance while I tried to get things started again.
I should have mentioned the noise aspect. We have a few acres but i'd rather not go the ktm route, purely because of the noise
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I got a kx60 from a mate, stumbled across a page on the internet that described 'casey stoners' kx60 that had a berg clutch. Googled berg and boom had one in the mail the next day. Mentioned I picked up a kx60 to my local mechanic and out came a box full of spares including tyres, down pipes, swing arms and stuff.
Whilst he was sceptical of even getting on it due to the ring-a-ding-ding, once on it he loves it. Took a long time to convince him to give it a go :)
If you go the crf100 you can ride it as your back yard practice bike :)
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If you want to go vintage mini I've got a GT80 basket case I could part with Paul. I don't particularly want to sell it but you were good to me when I was sick and I've had the blinding flash of reality that I've got too much shite. You could turn it into a mini GYT DT1 like I was going to....and it can double as your pitbike when junior isn't looking.
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TFR Is on the money, if you are happy to part with the coin for a recluse Clutch then you have a whole field of correct sized bikes at your choice. I wouldn't push him into learning anything he's not comfortable with, if he still wants no clutch, give the boy no clutch!! A TTR125 or CRF150 will last him quite a while if you consider that he'll prob ride it with the auto clutch for the next twelve months and then manually for possibly another year or two after that when he's ready.
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If you don't want a clutch and doesn't have to be vintage you could look at some of the small ktm's some have no clutch and are pretty quick little bikes.
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CRF80/100 or JR80. Both very user friendly to learn the clutch.
Adam
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Paul my daughter had in order as i remember PW 50 , PW 80 , DS 80 , KX 60, RM 80 , KX 100 ,KX 125 , KX 250 , RM 125 , KX 125
The DS 80 ( Now rebadged as a JR 80 ) was a good transition from the PW 80, easy to get to grips with the clutch and more gears than the PW 80 . Ultra reliable and i won more than my fair share of parents races on that thing :)
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Thanks for the info guys. I like the sound of the jr80, 2 inches taller seat than the pw80
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Hey Paul, I've got a pearler XR 100. These things are bombproof. My nephew who is 11 yrs of age is gonna ride it this year at Heaven juniors and then we will move it on. For a very good mate it would go pretty cheap....... Hang on a minute I'm not sure if you are in that category ;D
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Hey Paul, I've got a pearler XR 100. These things are bombproof. My nephew who is 11 yrs of age is gonna ride it this year at Heaven juniors and then we will move it on. For a very good mate it would go pretty cheap....... Hang on a minute I'm not sure if you are in that category ;D
So it'll have a 20% premium added?
Thanks for the offer, I'll see how he goes height-wise over the course of the next 6 mths
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Hey Mainline
My son rides a KTM 65 with scalvini pipe and silencer.
You would be surprised it is not crazy loud.
Suspension is just great! You really see the difference between a race bike and a farm bike.
I have bush behind my place and never had a complaint. Ad a recluse clutch and you also have less noise.
Much quiter than the KTM 50sx.
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my 16yo learnt to use clutch on 88 xr 100 when she was about 13 it was geared like a trials bike so I just put 1 tooth bigger front sprocket on it made a shite load of difference.Now she's out jumping and sliding and having a ball on her 89 rm 80 ;D.
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The KLX 110's look like a good step up from the PW and they do a small/large wheel option, same gearbox set up as the PW as well (gears, no clutch)
You could always just increase the seat height on the PW with some bolt on accessories.
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o82/evo550/pw80_zpsf626fb75.jpg)
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What about a Yamaha RT100?
(http://www.bike-exchange.com/images/Yamaha%20RT100.jpg)
Tex
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This has been great for my kids to learn on. Light weight, easy clutch, neutral at the bottom, quiet and the rear pegs allowed me to sit on behind while they learnt the control.
(http://i1305.photobucket.com/albums/s558/Firekwaka1/GT80002_zpsb65aacc1.jpg)
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YZ60 forks, YSS rear shocks.
12yr old boy changed the rings, engine was perfect condition.
(http://i1305.photobucket.com/albums/s558/Firekwaka1/P1010392_zpsda7436bf.jpg)
Boy progressed to a KLX140 now but doesn't like the weight.
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(http://i1305.photobucket.com/albums/s558/Firekwaka1/Chappys003_zpsdeab2398.jpg)
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Hey Paul,
I'm going through the same questions for first bikes for my Son (5) and my Nephew (9).. Left it too long to go the PW50 and PW80 route as I had originally planned - they're just too tall for them now..
My Son is the perfect size for TTR50-CRF50 etc., but I know that his favourite of all the bikes he sat on was the DR-Z70. So I'll probably get him that.
For the 9 year old Nephew's first bike, I had wondered about the TTR110 (but I didn't want an auto clutch for him) or the TTR125 (I think too tall, but nice to have with electric start)..
Currently I'm leaning towards the JR80 also..
Another option is the Kawasaki KLX110 - 680mm seat height and auto clutch. It also comes in a big wheel version (730mm seat height and manual clutch). I have heard that you can buy a kit from Kawasaki to convert the KLX110 from auto clutch to manual clutch when they're ready to step up. And it's a nice looking bike!
But I am still leaning towards the JR80 - it's got the right seat height, manual clutch that I want for my nephew, it's a two stroke (need I say more?), and it's also about $1000 cheaper than the KLX110 and and $2000 cheaper than the TTR125!!
;D
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From my extensive research on the subject (last night!) ::)
seat height auto/manual clutch 4T/2T starting
PW80 635mm auto 2T kick
TTR110E 670mm auto 4T electric leg
KLX110 680mm auto 4T electric
JR80 685mm manual 2T kick
KLX110L 730mm manual 4T electric
TTR125E 775mm manual 4T electric
DRZ125 775mm manual 4T kick
KLX140 780mm manual 4T electric
KLX140L 800mm manual 4T electric
TTR125LWE 805mm manual 4T electric
DRZ125L 805mm manual 4T manual
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HI Tony,
The JR80 is a great little bike. My 11yr old daughter had one for her first ever bike and she picked up the clutch no worries. She was a touch too tall for it when we first got it, but not knowing how she would go we took the risk. Have since upgraded her to a CRF100 and she is much more comfortable on the bigger bike.
Take 'em around and sit on all the different models and compare. They are all good for learning the clutch/ easy to start off etc. Comes down to price and colour I guess. And big savings to be had buying second hand. I learned that the hard way with a CRF50 we basically gave away 12mths later :-[.
Adam
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What's the best next step for a youngster after a pw80?
Your advice on the JR50 for the young bloke as a first bike was bang on 8)
How would you rate the pw80 ? Would you reccommend it as the next step ?
My daughter took great pride in showing she is big enough to ride the YZ50 now but ....
It's not technically a thread hijack is it ::)
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I'm definitely sold on the jr80 idea, although the pw80 is such a good little bike i might look into those suspension raisers to get a bit more time out of it. I think it might be a bit too heavy for your boy Tony as a next step after a jr50. Unless he's taken after his old man since I saw him last.
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Tony's boy will be sweet as cuz. He can up shift ::)
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Hardy har har ;D ;D
The young fella is still pretty short so maybe something in between :-\ I'll have to start feeding him the same thing as you feed your young bloke - Jeez he must be growing fast :o :o He's going through a lot of boots and bikes ;D
Thanks for the advice, I will stop hijacking your thread now ::)