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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: Slakewell on March 06, 2013, 06:41:07 pm
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I mean you cant even do it online, No wonder most old blokes just dont bother.
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Yes a bit of a rigmarole. Download form from MA website, get club secretary to sign form that you are a member of an affiliated club, send form with credit card details to MA for your state. They send license and MOMs back. Stamp and envelope is right up old bloke alley ;D ;D Unless all clubs have a membership database MA can access on line it would be hard to do fully online.
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Easy enough to get a one-event licence on the day.
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Can be faxed or emailed.
Once you haven't held a licence for more than 3 months you have to do the first time licence test which is downloaded from MA or state.
This has to be corrected by a licenced coach who also has to sign off whether you can ride or not.
I do it for our club
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Were you hoping to get one on ebay? Everyone i ride with has one, i didn't think it was that hard. Certainly a lot easier than getting your Qride motorcycle licence..
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I mean you cant even do it online, No wonder most old blokes just dont bother.
ROFL - five years ago, we'd hear the opposite.
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The whole process is pretty simple, really. Try getting a CAMS race or rally licence and you'll discover a new appreciating for MA...
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I mean you cant even do it online, No wonder most old blokes just dont bother.
ROFL - five years ago, we'd hear the opposite.
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The whole process is pretty simple, really. Try getting a CAMS race or rally licence and you'll discover a new appreciating for MA...
When I rode in the 70's we had to hold a CAMS License to race in state events in W.A
Kevin
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Has anyone done a CAMS license lately? Last time I did one I just filled in the form online attached a photo and they posted it to me the next day.
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get club secretary to sign form that you are a member of an affiliated club,
Yep and that part has been like that since day one (or ever since I can remember anyway)
Has anyone done a CAMS license lately? Last time I did one I just filled in the form online attached a photo and they posted it to me the next day.
You make it sound easy but how did you get around doing the online test and getting the doctors certificate in one day?
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Has anyone done a CAMS license lately? Last time I did one I just filled in the form online attached a photo and they posted it to me the next day.
Jeez, you must be really old! :D
The Internet didn't exist back when CAMS was that easy to get along with... Unless you're talking about a L2/L2S, which has always been pretty straight forward (despite CAMS' hierarchy's best efforts).
A CAMS race licence requires an OLT which is a full day and several hundred dollars. Then a medical. Then post of to CAMS and wait from them to reject it on some stupid technicality...
CAMS rally licence has the world's stupidest online "lecture"/test, medical declaration ("have you even been to see a doctor?"...), then post it off and wait for it to be rejected on a technicality.
Turn around times are also bloody average - way better than five years ago, but still a lot longer than MA.
CAMS also has this nasty (and I suspect illegal) habit of back dating your renewal to 12 months after your licence expired. They've finally begun to yield if you pressure them, but they will still try it on.
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I did the online test at the same time as I filled in the application, They didn't ask me for a Doctor cert
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What licence did you get?
Was is a new one or a renewal?
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I had to undergo a full medical and get a doctors certificate when i had a CAMS licence 20 yrs ago and then sit in a class room for a written test..
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What licence did you get?
Was is a new one or a renewal?
It was a new one I got for navigation/driver for the Safari
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Lets play a little Devils advocate
1) Completed licence application, Well yes one must fill out a form with details etc.
2) Club membership card. Why must one belong to club to buy a License? What practical use does this have. Must clubs run on multi club or club day license so I will have to join there club any way. And as for needing a club sec to sign my application form again what practical use is this? Its not the 1960’s anymore.How does this complicated stone age BS make me safer or you better off.
3) Ambulance Cover. Again what Nanny came up with this gem. What buiness of MA’s is it how I run my personal affairs. Do they have to pay the Ambo? no they don’t so Fu*k off out of my affairs.
4) Identification. Again what real practical use is this? What is the likely hood of me needing or wanting a false license? I have to send some passport photo’s so it will have to match my head. They could be at least a bit practical and just ask for a scan of your drivers License. To me it is just unnecessary BS.
5)Theory test. Well at least this has a practical use but it could be done online in 15 minutes.
6)Practical test To the best of my knowledge in all my years of racing have I seen anyone enter a race who could not operate a motorcycle.
7)Payment Lets not forget this GEM and it is important whilst it will be sadly misused at least I can understand it.
Even I could steam line this BS and computerize it so the whole thing took 5 days from start to finish.
Rant Over.
I wonder how much more MA could make from entry fee’s etc if more guys raced more often rather than keeping it to a few One day license events.
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Well
Club membership helps develop income for the affiliated clubs and these clubs are as we are all aware are great places for like minded people , but most importantly a place to catch up with and race your buddies
About a 1600 km round trip on the week-end , saw my buddies ,had some good food, listen to rediculous jokes, much laughter , rode a vinduro, sat at the hospital with Dangerous Dave and now i have another bunch of great memories. Thats what club membership means to me.
Ambulance and Medical cover saves some people from themselves
Indentification for one example stops banned riders etc etc etc from gaining licenses under false preteneces
Example : The people at your new club dont know you from a bar of soap and surely are not aware of your resume in respect to riding , same for practical test. If MA are going supply the major insurance their insurer needs some type of confidence that you have some compentency in relation to riding. "Its called risk management"
MA or MSNW might no be the best business model and not ideal in everyone's eyes , but its what we have and we should support it.
Certainly , every year i do my renewal for my license its easy and dealt with very prompty by MNSW.
I go to MNSW courses when required which are well set out and informative so i really dont see a major issue
i deal with MNSW and course inspectors from time to time when setting enduro , vinduro and MX courses and apart from one mix up with timing they are prompt informative and very courteous to those setting up events
Regards
Shoey
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Lets play a little Devils advocate
1) Completed licence application, Well yes one must fill out a form with details etc.
2) Club membership card. Why must one belong to club to buy a License? What practical use does this have. Must clubs run on multi club or club day license so I will have to join there club any way. And as for needing a club sec to sign my application form again what practical use is this? Its not the 1960’s anymore.How does this complicated stone age BS make me safer or you better off.
3) Ambulance Cover. Again what Nanny came up with this gem. What buiness of MA’s is it how I run my personal affairs. Do they have to pay the Ambo? no they don’t so Fu*k off out of my affairs.
4) Identification. Again what real practical use is this? What is the likely hood of me needing or wanting a false license? I have to send some passport photo’s so it will have to match my head. They could be at least a bit practical and just ask for a scan of your drivers License. To me it is just unnecessary BS.
5)Theory test. Well at least this has a practical use but it could be done online in 15 minutes.
6)Practical test To the best of my knowledge in all my years of racing have I seen anyone enter a race who could not operate a motorcycle.
7)Payment Lets not forget this GEM and it is important whilst it will be sadly misused at least I can understand it.
Even I could steam line this BS and computerize it so the whole thing took 5 days from start to finish.
Rant Over.
I wonder how much more MA could make from entry fee’s etc if more guys raced more often rather than keeping it to a few One day license events.
I believe that MA merely 'very strongly recommends' Ambo cover.
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Lets play a little Devils advocate
1) Completed licence application, Well yes one must fill out a form with details etc.
2) Club membership card. Why must one belong to club to buy a License? What practical use does this have. Must clubs run on multi club or club day license so I will have to join there club any way. And as for needing a club sec to sign my application form again what practical use is this? Its not the 1960’s anymore.How does this complicated stone age BS make me safer or you better off.
3) Ambulance Cover. Again what Nanny came up with this gem. What buiness of MA’s is it how I run my personal affairs. Do they have to pay the Ambo? no they don’t so Fu*k off out of my affairs.
4) Identification. Again what real practical use is this? What is the likely hood of me needing or wanting a false license? I have to send some passport photo’s so it will have to match my head. They could be at least a bit practical and just ask for a scan of your drivers License. To me it is just unnecessary BS.
5)Theory test. Well at least this has a practical use but it could be done online in 15 minutes.
6)Practical test To the best of my knowledge in all my years of racing have I seen anyone enter a race who could not operate a motorcycle.
7)Payment Lets not forget this GEM and it is important whilst it will be sadly misused at least I can understand it.
Even I could steam line this BS and computerize it so the whole thing took 5 days from start to finish.
Rant Over.
I wonder how much more MA could make from entry fee’s etc if more guys raced more often rather than keeping it to a few One day license events.
# 2 Clubs are the backbone of racing, if they are not supported they will collapse. If racing was left to business’s to run then there would be a lot more costs involved. People can join as many clubs as they want to nowadays which is great if you are into multiple disciplines as many clubs focus on one discipline but it is not good for the clubs as people don’t tend to be so loyal when it comes to working bee’s etc. many will just co off and ride with a different club rather than go to a working bee.
You are better off because it helps keep clubs alive.
Cams has the same requirement.
# 3 I can just see someone getting lumbered with a huge ambulance fee and then bleating that they thought they were covered and then start blaming club officials for not informing them. Club officials are just ordinary guys that don’t need that sort of grief.
Like really, you would rather pay 5 grand or more for a chopper ride than have your privacy infringed upon?
# 4 Photo ID on your licence is necessary other wise how many ‘mates’ will be riding on the one licence on different weekends.
Back in the days of no photo on your car licence I worked with a bloke who constantly had a band aid on his forearm. After a couple of months he finally confessed that he had lost his licence and was driving with his brother’s licence. He had tattooed his own name on his forearm (I dunno, maybe he couldn’t remember who he was when he was pissed) and so covered it with a band aid everyday.
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I understand that a majority of MANSW are volunteers and deserving of our support I for one have done just about every job there is when it comes to running motorcycling events and I have forgotten how many courses etc I have done over the years. During the early 90's I had the MA office on speed dial and the fax cranking out endless paper work.. I have also seen true believers try and change MA for the better only to be worn down and leave shaking there heads. I just frustrated that there still stuck in the same rut regardless of who is running them.
It's well past time they move into the 90's at least. The reality is I probably wont bother to get a full license again so I will just ride a few selected events and skip most of the local heaven rounds.
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I’ve been around long enough to remember when MA first bought in the one day Licenses this was a great initiative and took a lot effort. The idea being that it would encourage first timers to try the sport without a high set up cost and by pure accident it gave the customer exactly what they wanted. At only $15.00 each they sold like cold beer at a shearers picnic, entries doubled the local yokels turned up in droves. We had to setup separate sign points just to accommodate them. Did MA look at this boom with glee that they taped an unknown market? Know they recoiled in horror and quickly put a limit on how many one rider could buy per year and of course the locals just went back to riding at there mates place or the local disused quarry. After much protest MA then lifted there limit but at the same time put the price up to $50.00. It seems they just really believed that riders should get a full license. If it wasn’t a monopoly it would have died many years ago.
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3) Ambulance Cover. Again what Nanny came up with this gem. What buiness of MA’s is it how I run my personal affairs. Do they have to pay the Ambo? no they don’t so Fu*k off out of my affairs.
The reason that MSA (in my case) wants to know about ambulance cover is because every time a rider signs the Indemnity section of their entry form they are acknowledging the following clause on that indemnity;
"I acknowledge and agree that if required, the Indemnitees (or any of them) may arrange medical or hospital treatment (including ambulance transportation) for me. I authorise such actions being taken by the Indemnitees and agree to meet all costs associated with such action. I understand it is compulsory for me to have ambulance insurance in some form and I accept responsibility for the cost of ambulance transportation, ambulance cover and further agree to maintain ambulance cover during the term of my license / membership."
I have been the Clerk of Course at a few local club Poney Express events and have had to sort out arguments between injured rides (generally locals on One Day Licenses) who have crashed out of the event injuring themself. In all the cases the injured rider had sign the Indemnity form, and had answered YES when asked about Ambulance cover / private health cover by the person taking their entry. In all these cases the rider had plainly lied about having cover, thinking that they wouldn't need it because they are "top gun" riders and won't crash and hurt themself. Then they find themself sitting in the firsts aid tent asking the Ambos for pain relief for the broken collar bone or wrist etc only to be told that if the Ambos administer any pain relief (give them the magic whistle to suck), then that have to be transported to the nearest hospital via ambulance, they end up arguing with the ambos and demanding some thing for the pain, and saying that the girlfreind/mate will drive them to the hospital. This is where the lies told when entering become apparent, they are generally smart enough to realise that a ride in an ambulance is not cheap and want to avoid it at all costs. As CoC, I have alway sided with the Ambos, who are generally volenteers and being paid nothing for their time (local club event, remember).
CJ
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We ride for $30 at our vmx club,pays farmer,ambulance ,and public liability insurance.
Where does a national bodys money go? Not much to the average punter normally.
Could try getting a licence at the print shop next to the chineese Metisse fram maker in down to beijing?
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Bazza ,contrary to believe, MA is a privately owned company with only a handfull of shareholders situated in Melbourne drawing 6 digit wages , driving flash cars and have good dividends . With all the volunteers working for zilch , the fees rolling in every week , not a bad set up I reckon ;)
Same story is used as a criticism by CAMS against AASA.
I greatly prefer the way AASA runs, than the corrupt old boys' club of CAMS...
If AASA can pay its top brass well, while still offering better service at a lower cost, then that just illustrates how f$&ked CAMS are...
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i'm going to renue my MA compititon licence tomorow :-\ my last one expired in around 2009, although i've used several single event licences since then. if i was only doing ride day's i'd just use single event licences but they used to cost $75 per event for a roadrace meeting.
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So can I race all year on day license ?
I thought I could only do that once?
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So can I race all year on day license ?
I thought I could only do that once?
Just the weekend only, would be good if it was for a year will be cheap as ;)
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So can I race all year on day license ?
I thought I could only do that once?
You can buy a one day license every time you race if you wish. I'm not sure but I think there over $100.00 these days so $250 for a full year is more effective.
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One day licence is $50 or $55.00 but post classic champs is $77.00 ???
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but post classic champs is $77.00
That's because it's a championship. The only championship that you can use a one day licence.
One day race licences are only permitted for club & interclub (Regions)
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but post classic champs is $77.00
That's because it's a championship. The only championship that you can use a one day licence.
One day race licences are only permitted for club & interclub (Regions)
ALL single event licences for historic race meetings were $75 per event and a full years MA licence was around the $300, so if you were planning on doing more than 4 meetings a year then it'd be cheaper to get the full licence. i've used single event licences for the WSBK historic supports and the Island Classic, plus used them for the Southern Classic at Broadford and our State Championships.. plus various club and interclub meetings.
you have to weigh up whether you're going to get the full value out of a MA licence per calender year, or just keep getting single event licences, both for circuit and VMX/MX ride days.
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The last license I had was an ACU license in about 1975 does that say something about me.
Regards Rod.
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but post classic champs is $77.00
That's because it's a championship. The only championship that you can use a one day licence.
One day race licences are only permitted for club & interclub (Regions)
ALL single event licences for historic race meetings were $75 per event and a full years MA licence was around the $300, so if you were planning on doing more than 4 meetings a year then it'd be cheaper to get the full licence. i've used single event licences for the WSBK historic supports and the Island Classic, plus used them for the Southern Classic at Broadford and our State Championships.. plus various club and interclub meetings.
you have to weigh up whether you're going to get the full value out of a MA licence per calender year, or just keep getting single event licences, both for circuit and VMX/MX ride days.
A license is good for 12 months after issue..... If you get it in July, it is good till next July
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The last license I had was an ACU license in about 1975 does that say something about me.
Regards Rod.
that says you must be old ;D sorry rod cant help it
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i had a qamba licence in 1975
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I have a full licence currently but due to ever decreasing finances when it expires in a couple of months I will probably go the one-dayers.
Unless Nepean runs a classics "title" event I suppose I will need a full licence again. I don't think I am likely to travel to any "away" meets anymore.
SO I need Nepean to keep going!
cheers pancho.
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This is simple. ::)
If you plan to ride less than 6 times in the year or do any open events just run on day licences.
If you want to ride at more than 6 it is economical to get a full licence.
In NSW if you use a day licence and then apply for a full licence within two weeks of the event the day licence fee you paid is taken out of the cost.
Cheers
Shaun
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Whilst I ranting about MA. Let me raise the topic of the disgrace Of MA NSW and it's lack of riding area.
MA NSW has over 3 millon in the bank and a property portfolio worth around 10 million, they charge a land fund levi everytime you race for over 50 years.
Why is there zero land that MA NSW owns that you can ride on. The fact is now MA NSW dosen't even need riders anylonger to survive they can still pay themselfs just from the rent the property trust brings in and members are nothing but pain in the arse.
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MANSW and Christine Tickner have been hard at work getting the permission and funds for a much needed road race track at Nowra opposite the existing dirt track. Hopefully NSW will have a complex like the far sighted vision that is the Broadford complex.
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She has been there for 20 years and done very little except swill from the trough. They have the funds and have had them for years.
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She has been there for 20 years and done very little except swill from the trough. They have the funds and have had them for years.
The amount of work that Christine has devoted to not only MNSW but the Penrith club and Nepean Raceway as well over many years is phenomenal. I would say that the vast majority of her expenses for doing this have never been reimbursed.
For you to say she has been "swilling from the trough" shows your utter ignorance and to me is disgusting. I would love to see the evidence you have of this. Since you have accused her on a public forum I wouldn't be surprised if you may come to rely on this evidence in the future.
Just having the funds does not mean that a suitable viable long term property to build a complex is easy to find. I know that MNSW have been in discussions with many localities to build such a complex. Even now Nowra is by no means a done deal. There is a heap of work yet to do but it remains the closest proposal to look like succeeding to date.
Cheers
Shaun
P.S. When Jeff decided to leave the forum I asked to him to stay and just ignore the dickheads. Unfortunately in this case I am not able to heed my own advice because a dedicated and hard working woman has been slandered and it just pissed me off.
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I have butted heads with Christine since she started with MA and at the start, like all others she had good intentions. The fact remains that during her tenure at MA that must be 20 years + what has happen to the land fund. Why cant they sell off some of there assets and buy land, Why didn't they take the land the military tried to give them. My info comes from the very top and from with in so I'm comfortable to go with it. The fact is there is still no where to ride and she had 20 years to fix it so I say she has failed.
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went and renewed my MA licence today, mine had been expired for 4 years but was no problems... guess they were just happy to get my $290 :D
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MANSW and Christine Tickner have been hard at work getting the permission and funds for a much needed road race track at Nowra opposite the existing dirt track. Hopefully NSW will have a complex like the far sighted vision that is the Broadford complex.
in SA, MSA own the Acusa pk complex which is similar to Broadford EXCEPT for the lack of a road race circuit on the property and it's closed 6 months a year when the summer fire bans are on ::) Then there is the Gilman MX and Speedway tracks which will close once the land lease expires. MSA bought a property just out of Tailem Bend in around 2006, on which a road circuit was going to be built but nothing has happened there since they bought it and now i think its back on the market for sale.
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The last license I had was an ACU license in about 1975 does that say something about me.
Regards Rod.
that says you must be old ;D sorry rod cant help it
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And feeling older every minuet but it still put's a smile on my face, kicking that pig and cracking that throttle.
Regards Rod, ;D
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Re: Is there a easy way to get an MA license?
No.
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She has been there for 20 years and done very little except swill from the trough. They have the funds and have had them for years.
The amount of work that Christine has devoted to not only MNSW but the Penrith club and Nepean Raceway as well over many years is phenomenal. I would say that the vast majority of her expenses for doing this have never been reimbursed.
For you to say she has been "swilling from the trough" shows your utter ignorance and to me is disgusting. I would love to see the evidence you have of this. Since you have accused her on a public forum I wouldn't be surprised if you may come to rely on this evidence in the future.
Just having the funds does not mean that a suitable viable long term property to build a complex is easy to find. I know that MNSW have been in discussions with many localities to build such a complex. Even now Nowra is by no means a done deal. There is a heap of work yet to do but it remains the closest proposal to look like succeeding to date.
Cheers
Shaun
P.S. When Jeff decided to leave the forum I asked to him to stay and just ignore the dickheads. Unfortunately in this case I am not able to heed my own advice because a dedicated and hard working woman has been slandered and it just pissed me off.
Shaun
By no means is my discuss in MA aimed just at Christine and I will happily send a written apology if you can highlight some of the achievements she has been a part off. Whilst it is easy to point out the many failures like the Eastern Creek GP for example maybe you can balance this out for us as I would actually like to be wrong here. You used the word phenomenal to describe this women so listing her accomplishments seems a easy task.
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Are you serious! It's is a tad hard to rattle off individual achievements for someone who is President of an organisation such as MNSW with its many volunteers who have an input into its direction.
As its President though I feel she has done a good job. Off the top of my head during her tenure we have seen the introduction of the Officials Accreditation Scheme, the opening of the Minikhana Complex at Horsley Park and the most advanced to date plan to develop a multi discipline motorcycle complex. I am sure there are many more.
I also commented on her work for Nepean Motor Sports Club and City of Penrith MCC. I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone willing to right-off the effort she put into these roles as easily as you seem to want to.
How exactly does she or MNSW for that matter have anything to do with the GP at Eastern Creek which you call a failure. The event ran at Eastern Creek for 6 years from 1991 to 1996. If memory serves me correctly the move back to Phillip Island had more to do with a government (Victoria) offering a more enticing deal to the organisers. I would be surprised if Christine's name was even mentioned during the negotiations FFS.
To put the ball back in your court. Please feel free to enlighten us on some of the other "many failures" you claim are "easy to point out".
Cheers Shaun
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Shaun
It would seem neither of us can persuade the other which is a good thing as you would agree life would be dull if we all rode CR Honda’s
In your opinion you feel it is Ok that only a handful turn up to club meetings because there the only ones who do the work anyway. I can see your point of view.
The Eastern Creek reference would be for the time MNSW decided to promote the GP themselves sadly ego’s and promotion savvy got mixed up. I don’t remember the exact amount they lost but it was a lot. I do remember they asked clubs for donations and all fee’s skyrocketed and they came very close to going into liquidation and losing the Parramatta offices.