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Title: 1984 250's
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on February 28, 2013, 11:28:34 am
Guys - I know it is all open to conjecture, opinion, arguing etc - but in 84 which 250 was generally marked/rated as the best please?

Craigy - if anyone has a coloured view it's you so don't bother offering an opinion  ;D
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: Simo63 on February 28, 2013, 11:32:56 am
Geez you don't half like to start a brawl then step back and watch do you  ;D

For my money the CR250RE was the best 84 250.  Why?  Because I've owned and raced more than one over the years and they are still a superb race bike (aside from the waterpump corrosion issue).
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: Slakewell on February 28, 2013, 11:34:57 am
Honda CR with a aftermarket shock pro circuit pipe/porting was the hot ticket in the day. 
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: John Orchard on February 28, 2013, 11:36:57 am
Yeh I'd say a CR with a rear Ohlins.
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: JohnnyO on February 28, 2013, 11:40:39 am
The CR but the YZ was a very good bike also, not much between them.
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: Slakewell on February 28, 2013, 11:47:17 am
The Kato if you can find one and want something different

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j262/dst270/bikepics/1985_KTM250.jpg)
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: TM BILL on February 28, 2013, 12:16:03 pm
Cr for me , i have a one previous owner one  :)
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: maico police on February 28, 2013, 01:23:12 pm
They may have been the ticket in the day but you couldn't give one to me now with their cancerous magnesium water covers/pumps/whatever they are...... :-[

Bog stock 250 L will eat one
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on February 28, 2013, 01:34:36 pm
Simo  :D

RM250E - no mention?

thanks
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: 09.0 on February 28, 2013, 02:06:35 pm
After riding a kx250 '83 model a few times, it's on my list or even better an '84. I don't want a cr even though I had one back in the day simply because they are like arseholes, everyone has got one and the mag water pump shits me to tears as well.
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: Stevo17 on February 28, 2013, 02:09:34 pm
I have a few mag shootouts on the 84 250's. Most seem to think that the CR was the go apart from the rear shock being crap.  In Trail and Track, the KX actually won by the fact that it was the cheapest to buy, and not far behind the power valved YZ and CR in performance. Most mags agree that the RM had a slow motor.  I ride an 84 KX and its a good bike, easy to live with. It just needs a good rider !
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: bishboy on February 28, 2013, 02:23:58 pm
I also have to give a vote to the might KX as I have one, although I haven't ridden it yet ::) 
I may even have to sell it before I can get to ride it :'(
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: JohnnyO on February 28, 2013, 02:28:43 pm
Simo  :D

RM250E - no mention?

thanks
The RM is actually a very good bike once setup. I had one recently with a DG pipe, White Power shock and stiffer fork springs and it was an awesome bike!
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: suzuki59 on February 28, 2013, 02:49:31 pm
Simo  :D

RM250E - no mention?

thanks
The RM is actually a very good bike once setup. I had one recently with a DG pipe, White Power shock and stiffer fork springs and it was an awesome bike!
I have a 85 RM 250F and it is an overall way better package than the 82 and 83 RM250's I have previously owned.The 82 RM250Z is as you experts will know, renown to be one of the most powerful 250's of the 1980's.
I reckon for overall handling, reliability (no rotting magnesium water pump cover issues on these machines) the Suzuki is hard to beat-not to mention the excellent availability of genuine parts from Suzuki versus Hondas and Kawasakis (I dont know much about Yamahas).

I seriously doubt that the slightly lower amount  of power that this model produces versus vs the other brands would make one iota of difference to 99.9% of any VMX racers on this forum,let alone those Asian dwelling cyber racers ;)
But I do recall that if you place a 82 head and 38mm carb on the 84-it really comes alive.

Ross (Campbell)  you idiot -you should have known!! :o
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: zorroz on February 28, 2013, 03:02:47 pm
Here's the yank 84 250 shoot out. RM250 won - "The RM250 is the best all round bike. It's not the fastest, lightest, or the best turning machine. But it has the best suspension by far and can be made ultra fast with little money"

http://davestestsandarticles.weebly.com/uploads/4/8/4/5/4845046/______dbikesep84250mxsoot.pdf (http://davestestsandarticles.weebly.com/uploads/4/8/4/5/4845046/______dbikesep84250mxsoot.pdf)
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: Marc.com on February 28, 2013, 03:13:45 pm

I reckon for overall handling, reliability (no rotting magnesium water pump cover issues on these machines) the Suzuki is hard to beat-not to mention the excellent availability of genuine parts from Suzuki versus Hondas and Kawasakis (I dont know much about Yamahas).

Very well put, old magazine tests have to be taken in the context of who was paying for the most advertising at the time and how everyone felt on the day, it has less than scientific rigour.

I would say, CR = pump rot, KX= expensive rebore, YZ= weird suspension that never quite worked that good, KTM = yummy  but not born under a reliable star, hmmm all that you really have left is the RM250





Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: Nathan S on February 28, 2013, 03:14:47 pm
KXs crack frames.

YZs are too cramped for non-hobbits. A bitch to get non-DC plastics for.

CRs eat clutch covers. Crappy rear shock. Can't get non-DC radiator shrouds.

Husqvarna just wasn't in the hunt - too slow, too peaky, substandard brakes.

KTM seems like an OK bike, but they say clutch covers too, and stuff like pistons and rods are scary expensive.
(Earlier KTM pic is of an 85 model, BTW).

Dunno about the RMs - this was the era where Suzuki had obviously sacked all of the engine guys and spent their wages of suspension/handling guys.


I've got a CR, but only because it was cheap. Reckon I'd prefer a YZ with a high seat and a CR front disc - but am too lazy to bother...
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: Scunge on February 28, 2013, 03:18:38 pm
I had a 1984 RM250 E as my first VMX bike.

I brought from a Viper fast guy who had blueprinted it, stuck the Z head on it, bigger carb, etc...

It handled really well, motor was a midrange and top end screamer (a bit like Suzuki59, I have heard..), Full Floater was good. The 84 Hondas I came up against seemed to have more low end but the old Pro-link issues....

I now have a 1983 Honda CR250 and it shxts all over my old 84 RM. Broad power-band, low centre of gravity, turns like a dream, & now with an Ohlins on it, hopefully good suspension. Just needs a decent rider and it would be a great!

Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: Scunge on February 28, 2013, 03:19:58 pm
Oh yeah, I have an alloy Clutch cover from an 81 on it, and I have a few spare NOS radiator covers....
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: suzuki59 on February 28, 2013, 03:23:52 pm

I reckon for overall handling, reliability (no rotting magnesium water pump cover issues on these machines) the Suzuki is hard to beat-not to mention the excellent availability of genuine parts from Suzuki versus Hondas and Kawasakis (I dont know much about Yamahas).

Very well put, old magazine tests have to be taken in the context of who was paying for the most advertising at the time and how everyone felt on the day, it has less than scientific rigour.

I would say, CR = pump rot, KX= expensive rebore, YZ= weird suspension that never quite worked that good, KTM = yummy  but not born under a reliable star, hmmm all that you really have left is the RM250






Shit marc you really got around back in the day - did you work for US bike magazines as well?
I think you will find at that stage Honda had most of the magazines on the payroll,but good old Super Hunky at US Dirt Bike was still trying to remain unbiased.
The RM is the clear winner.

PS I rode the KX Brad refers to and it was a horrible beast-really abrupt bottom end power, light switch rear brake and a terrible clutch.Yuck!
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: suzuki59 on February 28, 2013, 03:25:53 pm
I had a 1984 RM250 E as my first VMX bike.

I brought from a Viper fast guy who had blueprinted it, stuck the Z head on it, bigger carb, etc...

It handled really well, motor was a midrange and top end screamer (a bit like Suzuki59, I have heard..), Full Floater was good. The 84 Hondas I came up against seemed to have more low end but the old Pro-link issues....

I now have a 1983 Honda CR250 and it shxts all over my old 84 RM. Broad power-band, low centre of gravity, turns like a dream, & now with an Ohlins on it, hopefully good suspension. Just needs a decent rider and it would be a great!


Tell the truth Scunge-that 84 RM you owned was getting pretty flogged out in the engine department when you owned it.PS you are now expelled from the Suzuki brotherhood.
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: Scunge on February 28, 2013, 03:31:25 pm
My 88 RM keeps me in the hood... just....

True about the KX.... Clearly I am not Kermit (Green) and yes the RM was getting a bit tried at the end but it was no rocket ship when I first got it and stuck a new piston and rings in it. ;)
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: suzuki59 on February 28, 2013, 03:33:55 pm
My 88 RM keeps me in the hood... just....

True about the KX.... Clearly I am not Kermit (Green) and yes the RM was getting a bit tried at the end but it was no rocket ship when I first got it and stuck a new piston and rings in it. ;)
Crap, you got me.
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: firko on February 28, 2013, 03:36:29 pm

Am I going to have to seperate you two..again??? ;D
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: suzuki59 on February 28, 2013, 03:39:24 pm

Am I going to have to seperate you two..again??? ;D
All good Uncle-I have conceded defeat to the Mexican  ;D
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: Scunge on February 28, 2013, 04:13:25 pm
Brotherly love...

Again little Bro, I win... I thought all those hidings I used to give you would have got through?  :D

Hi Unc Firks - hope you are well!
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on February 28, 2013, 04:33:22 pm
I thought I excluded you from this conversation Craigy?  :o
Title: Re: 1984 250s
Post by: suzuki59 on February 28, 2013, 05:00:03 pm
Rosco no one listens to you.
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: John Orchard on February 28, 2013, 05:07:59 pm
(http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i423/JohnnyRacer89/Feb84.jpg)

RM250E handled well, good for jumping photographers.
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: maico police on February 28, 2013, 05:09:39 pm

 YZ= weird suspension that never quite worked that good,


The suspension on the 250 L is basically the same as on every rising rate, linkage type rear available today.
I think you're a little confused with the J (two models previous and miles apart in design).
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: Slakewell on February 28, 2013, 05:27:00 pm


KTM seems like an OK bike, but they say clutch covers too, and stuff like pistons and rods are scary expensive.
(Earlier KTM pic is of an 85 model, BTW).

USA KTM were always different from ours and they changed during the year. The first disk brake upsidedown fork 84 model were shit and the drum was better. Pistons are normally more expensive because there forged not cast so last for years but you can buy Wisco for $70.00 on ebay rod kits are about $250.00 and are normally available.
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: floberts on February 28, 2013, 06:07:59 pm
If anyone is interested here is the list of every winner of every shootout since 1980 according to Motocross Action magazine.

http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/beaa25ac-c32f-4977-9a53-6afcc49f37eb.aspx (http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/beaa25ac-c32f-4977-9a53-6afcc49f37eb.aspx)
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: Nathan S on March 01, 2013, 11:45:17 am


KTM seems like an OK bike, but they say clutch covers too, and stuff like pistons and rods are scary expensive.
(Earlier KTM pic is of an 85 model, BTW).

USA KTM were always different from ours and they changed during the year. The first disk brake upsidedown fork 84 model were shit and the drum was better. Pistons are normally more expensive because there forged not cast so last for years but you can buy Wisco for $70.00 on ebay rod kits are about $250.00 and are normally available.

Still an '85 model bike.
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: Zakk on March 01, 2013, 05:19:20 pm
those magazine reviews are not much to go on these days, with the usual of todays mods all of the 1984 Japanese 250's would make about the same power and handle about the same too. like regardless how bad a the CR's rear shock was/is, any number of rebuild or replacment options are an easy fix, the waterpump housing is a different story though. same goes for the YZ L's Zspokes and front forks that didn't work (if you believe the 1985 magazines), once again a simple re-valve and some later rims will solve any issues. a 1984 RM may have been slow in 1984, but who's going to run a stock engine-pipe-carb option these days anyway?

also i'm sure all are aware of the 'Wiesel' factor whenever a bike is being tested  :D
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: Zakk on March 01, 2013, 05:28:21 pm

 YZ= weird suspension that never quite worked that good,


The suspension on the 250 L is basically the same as on every rising rate, linkage type rear available today.
I think you're a little confused with the J (two models previous and miles apart in design).

Yamaha played with the shock length and suspension link lengths with the K, L and N models, each one was altered slighty to try improvements but each one ended up no better than the one before. it wasn't until the YZ S model that they finally moved the shock down behind the engine and this is basically what they've been using ever since.
but of course the YZ250S is 1986..
Title: Re: 1984 250's
Post by: Stevo17 on March 01, 2013, 06:08:49 pm
I am just reading the Trail & Track test and it was written by our own Johnny Orchard. In the mag he also rides a CR with an ohlins shock and reckons it is the way to go. Great memory after 29 years J.O. !