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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: vmxken on February 25, 2013, 07:41:21 am
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The date has at last been set for CD10 and it will be held on the 27th to the 29th of September. The venue is as per last year, Wallerawang, NSW. It was the ONLY date available that fitted in with multiple stakeholders. It's also the AFL (but not the NRL) grand final weekend but keen Victorians can always watch it at one of the two pubs that are five minutes away and we'll also try to set up a viewing option at the track. Further details will be in Issue 53, due out mid-March.
Any enquiries in the meantime, or afterwards, can be directed to myself on 02 9452 1444 or [email protected]
Thanks
Ken
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Whats AFL? why would you want to watch that when there is muddaboiks about :o
i am confused....
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Will be good to get away from the bloody AFL crap so I’ll be there, whether there are pegs in the ground or not.
Hope the tracks will be the same, but maybe with a few more off cambers ;D :D
Also looking for someone else to be Dangerous Dave's mate for the weekend, if he crashes again I'm going to pretend I don't know him.
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Here's a thought Geoff. Why dont you get all those clowns who want stuff made in the last minutes before CD10 to put there strange needy pathetic requests for the impossible in now! J
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And then it will give you time to prepare the mighty KDX for 3 days of fun. Also maybe dont let Dave ride untill the Sunday and then you can dedicate the rest of Sunday to sitting in the waiting room of the nearest hospital. Feel free to contact me for any other advice. J
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For a subject that caused so much concern regarding its likely date I can't believe hardly any ones commented. J
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For a subject that caused so much concern regarding its likely date I can't believe hardly any ones commented. J
They're all trying to talk Jeff from hitting the delete button...........We've booked Klub Kevlar HQ into the Black and Gold Motel in 'Wang. Can't wait......It'll be a perfect opportunity to sort out the bikes for the Temora Classic Dirt Track Nats the following weekend and Classic VMX Nats in early November. We're debuting some very intertesting bikes at Kamp Kevlar this year, there'll be the planned shrine to DT1 Yamahas and their offspring, Yamaico Pete's 2013 edition el Cheapo masterpiece (if he ever comes home from working in Vietnam), Franks re engined Mojo Matchless, Jonesy's C&J CCM, a couple of surprise Maicos, a new blender and the return of the restored original blender that started it all back in the early 90's. Let's hope hurricanes, cyclones, snow, rain and sleet take this year off.
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[quote Black and Gold Motel Wang.
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A few weeks before CD7.Steven & i suggest to Ajvmx to meet at the Malany Pub Qld for a beer and a game of pool.
Thus the pool comp was created.
Since it has grown into a large gathering and since we wont be attending this year as we will be overseas.
You Firko are in walking distance. I here by leave you and Slakewell my support crew to up hold the position for the west side. ;D
The Rules: none,well one -you must play as doubles.total of four per game.
Last years Champions where Victoria.
Best wishs and enjoy Black and Golds great hospitality 8)
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will be there for 10 in a row, accomodation booked just work out flights back week early from Canada
Yee ha.
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Alison you and steve coming?
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Well thats booked in then.
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For a subject that caused so much concern regarding its likely date I can't believe hardly any ones commented. J
They're all trying to talk Jeff from hitting the delete button...........We've booked Klub Kevlar HQ into the Black and Gold Motel in 'Wang. Can't wait......It'll be a perfect opportunity to sort out the bikes for the Temora Classic Dirt Track Nats the following weekend and Classic VMX Nats in early November. We're debuting some very intertesting bikes at Kamp Kevlar this year, there'll be the planned shrine to DT1 Yamahas and their offspring, Yamaico Pete's 2013 edition el Cheapo masterpiece (if he ever comes home from working in Vietnam), Franks re engined Mojo Matchless, Jonesy's C&J CCM, a couple of surprise Maicos, a new blender and the return of the restored original blender that started it all back in the early 90's. Let's hope hurricanes, cyclones, snow, rain and sleet take this year off.
And Kiama tornado's
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Jeez, it would be nice to have a job where I started after 7.41 am when the date and venue was posted of CD10. As soon as I got home and saw this post I jumped on the phone and tried to book the Hawkins cabin that we had last year at the black and gold cabins but to no avail as some smartie had temporary booked a number of the Black and Gold Cabins some time ago (go figure if no one knew the site of CD10 :D) Thanks to the ones in the know for stuffing up our trip.
Regards Stan.
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Hi Stan - I'm sorry for your predicament but I was the only one who knew (besides the sponsor) prior to releasing the date this morning. No-one, period.
Regards
Ken
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Can you camp at the venue ? and are there facilitys showers etc
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So its now on the event calendar in the cupboard! :)
StanS - its better to stay on-track anyway! Camp. hire a van......etcetcetc
I really enjoyed the riding last year and can't wait to roost some interstate buddies again!
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Can you camp at the venue ? and are there facilitys showers etc
Yes
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Thanks Ted :)
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Stan, I also remember that when I booked one room for somebody today that they asked me if I was with the Classic Bike Club (I said no, not exactly)? The woman said a classic bike club had booked several rooms 'some time ago' so I think that's why there's a bit of confusion. Apparently a classic ROAD bike club has booked a few rooms the same weekend for some run they're having up that way. But we definitely did not know the date last week, let alone some time ago.
Regards
Ken
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Yes, they told me that there are TWO bike events on that weekend and the other mob booked all the cabins...
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By the way, I've made this topic 'sticky' so it can now be the official CD10 thread.
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bill bring a bag for another Rm to go in
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! This can't be :o.
That's the middle of the QLD School holidays >:(
That’s me out, I will either be on a holidays my family or the guys I work with will, either way I won’t be at CD10 :( :'(
I keep reading it hoping I read it wrong :(
Oh well, have fun.
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bill bring a bag for another Rm to go in
;) They will have a (special ) customs exit area for bills return home ;D
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"That’s me out, I will either be on a holidays my family or the guys I work with will, either way I won’t be at CD10 "
NSR
You could always sell the benefits of a holiday in the Blue Mountains with a slight detour to the Wang?
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Here's a thought Geoff. Why dont you get all those clowns who want stuff made in the last minutes before CD10 to put there strange needy pathetic requests for the impossible in now! J
Yes but it will probably be the orders that I take now that I will be rushing to finish at the last minute before CD. ;D :D
I work like the car industry, ‘Just in time’ delivery is the go :D ;D
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Thanks to the ones in the know for stuffing up our trip.
Stan..I hope that by my announcing that we'd booked at the Black and Gold you're not suggesting that I'm in the know....a part of some secret elite that got a head start on everyone else. Here's how it went down at Casa del Firko this morning............
While scanning the forum at around 8.30 this morning I saw Kens 7.41 post announcing the dates. I Immediately cut and pasted Kens post into an email and sent it to my KK mates. Jonesy then rang me at aproximately 9.30 and we discussed whether we would book into the Rydal pub again. After some discussion we decided not to book the pub and inspired by good reports from friends that had stayed at the Black and Gold last year we decided to give it a try. Jonesy's wife Sonia then got onto the blower and booked us a 5 bed villa and a family suite in the motel section. That was all confirmed by an email to me at 11.25. We then realised that we'd overlooked booking a room for Chippy and his wife so Sonia got back on the phone and managed to book another suite...confirmed to me by email at 12.15.
I thought I'd go into this precise detail to try and quash any suggestion that because I am a contributor to VMX magazine I may have had some prior knowledge of the date. That is far from the case and it has never happened in the past. There is no "those in the know" in my party and that's the truth. A check with the motel will verify the time of our bookings.
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Ken and Mark, "the ones in the know" I was eluding to were the classic bike club members that I was told by the lass at Black and Gold Cabins had temporaily booked multiple rooms some time ago.
It sounds like I have jumped the gun and assumed these people were associated with CD10. I apologise if it looked like I was pointing the finger at anyone in particular but will be very interested to find out who this group is.
When my group stayed for the four nights at Black and Gold cabins last year we had a great time and the facility was fantastic and that is why we are so dissapointed to miss out on accomodation there this time.
Stan.
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I hoped the explanation was something like that Stan, we've always got along well so I'd have hated this to cause trouble. After the kerfuffle with VMX42 resigning from the forum this morning I guess we get a little anxious when even a hint of VMX favouritism creeps in. The only mystery now is why you couldn't get accommodation yet we did, a long time after 7.41 am. Maybe Jonesy's wife gives better phone than you do mate ;D.
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NEWS FLASH - I rang the guy from the Classic Club and had a chat and they haven't even made public their event as yet. He has kindly agreed to change the date of his event and so all his tentative bookings will vanish in a few days. So Stan and others......you should still be in luck for cabins, just try again. Also, they are having ten more motel rooms built at present which will be completed by September, and they can be booked now as well.
Regards
Ken
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Whats wrong with camping at the track , Last year they even had free piss.
Yeah also -5 120km winds but free piss I tells yeah
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Whats wrong with camping at the track , Last year they even had free piss.
Yeah also -5 120km winds but free piss I tells yeah
Free piss you say ;) these cabins blokes need to harden up a bit ;D start camping slakewell
after a few beers you wont feel the cold ;) ;D I hope its not VB but :P
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! This can't be :o.
That's the middle of the QLD School holidays >:(
That’s me out, I will either be on a holidays my family or the guys I work with will, either way I won’t be at CD10 :( :'(
I keep reading it hoping I read it wrong :(
Oh well, have fun.
Hmmmm, hate to tell you this Noel, but over dinner last night my missus asked me when CD was.. (Well.. what she really said was "when's that old bike thing this year that you always want to go to?" ::))
When I told her where and when (and that it was in the middle of the QLD School Holidays), she actually came straight out and suggested -
1: we take a leasurely family road trip down there together..
2: drop me, bike, camping gear and trailer off at CD..
3: she and the 5 year old son would then take the car in to Sydney
4: I would spend an enjoyable weekend riding old bikes
5: she and said son would spend an enjoyable weekend of shopping in Sydney
6: pick me up again Monday for leasurely family road trip back to Brisbane..
I nearly choked on my dinner after falling off my chair!
I knew there was a reason I married her... ;D
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Whose bikes are you going to ride big fella?.....you've been MIA for a while.
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hahaha - should be able to get one bike running by then... ::)
Tried to ring you twice yesterday you old slapper... ;D
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be afraid Tony :D that shopping trip is gonna cost ya
cheers
tony
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be afraid Tony :D that shopping trip is gonna cost ya
cheers
tony
I know.......................................... :'(
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I nearly choked on my dinner after falling off my chair!
Sounds like she was trying to do you in :D
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I nearly choked on my dinner after falling off my chair!
Sounds like she was trying to do you in :D
Hmmmm... Obviously the 'choking on dinner' plan didn't work..
She'll probably switch to the 'heart attack when he gets the credit card bill' plan.....
;D
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Promo in Issue 53 FYI
There's lots more exciting news still to come for CD10, in conjunction with our primary sponsor, Suzuki Australia. So stay tuned.
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg216/vmxken/SuzukiClassicDirt10-September27-292013_2_zpsca79295f.jpg)
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Has the date clash with the Nats been discussed? IMO both events will lose being so close together and I dont want to see another Nats fail so I may have to miss CD this year. Dont ask me why MA chose that date.
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We consulted, looked at every calendar we could, worked with our sponsors, the landowner, the Council......and on it goes and we honestly thought five to six weeks before the Nationals was a very positive outcome. It's a bloody full calendar, let's not start a negative vibe about the November Nationals. It's all good, let's talk up the events, all of them!!!!
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Ken I think he may have been referring to the Classic Dirt Track Nats on the following weekend 5-6 October.
Cheers
Shaun
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Thanks Shaun, that wasn't obvious in the post. Answer is still the same, it was the only weekend available and cleared as many clashes as possible!
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Welcome to the reality of picking dates, as Ken says, you can pull your hair out trying to fit in with everyone....September/October is stuffed as there is all the footy code finals, Bathhurst, Moto GP.....the list goes on....do what Ken says and talk up the events, theres enough bullshit negativity on here already.
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Can you ride a modern bike at CD 10?
I was thinking about bringing a mate with me but I only have 1 old bike.
Hoping to intruduce a mate to VMX
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No, unless you class a modern bike as a 1984 model
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Paul552,just let him soak up the fun,have a ride on your bike and he could have a ride on a SuzukiRMZ demo bike. He will have a ball
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Paul552,just let him soak up the fun,have a ride on your bike and he could have a ride on a SuzukiRMZ demo bike. He will have a ball
Cool thanks for the tip Bazza.
Sure he will enjoy a few beers Saturday night also :)
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You better get cracking Paul if you ONLY HAVE 1 old bike...hehe
See you at Canberra
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Half the point of Classic Dirt is getting a ride on other people's bikes. :)
If you don't get a ride on at least three or four other bikes, you're not trying (or have really bad breath or something...).
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You better get cracking Paul if you ONLY HAVE 1 old bike...hehe
See you at Canberra
Man I have my brother in laws engagement party.
I am hoping to get there for the Sunday.
If not I got to wait till glenbawn!!!
I am on the hunt for a second bike but I don't know what I want!!!!!!
What do you reckon I should get!!!
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You better get cracking Paul if you ONLY HAVE 1 old bike...hehe
See you at Canberra
Man I have my brother in laws engagement party.
I am hoping to get there for the Sunday.
If not I got to wait till glenbawn!!!
I am on the hunt for a second bike but I don't know what I want!!!!!!
What do you reckon I should get!!!
I think an EVO yz 250 keeping with the yammie feel ;) or a mighty TT500 to get some arm pump ;D
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Yep I was thinking a yz250e?????
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Brother in law engagement party huh, do him a favor and bring him to Canberra....just joking mate
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Yep I was thinking a yz250e?????
D is better as it's Pre 78 but if you really want an E, then I think Les Richter from VMX Unlimited has one for sale around the $2k mark. Might be worth a call?
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Yep I was thinking a yz250e?????
D is better as it's Pre 78 but if you really want an E, then I think Les Richter from VMX Unlimited has one for sale around the $2k mark. Might be worth a call?
I have a 125d so I was thinking a E because it is a different class.
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Im going
Im packing every warm item I own and then some,
Taking all Kawasaki - hope to launch the 74 250 KX there and iron out the bugs.
211
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dave no AJS?
Dont forget to pack the Grapper,or vodka margarootas at the kompound.
see you there with the thermals
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Entry is NOW OPEN! The Manly Warringah Club will be doing all the entries on behalf of VMX Magazine. Please go to the Manly Warringah Club website and you will see the links and entry details there - http://manlywarringahmcc.com.au
It is a bit different this year as you need to do the full entry, rather than just registering to ride, which will of course save you time at the event.
Thanks
Ken
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I know it's a bit late but can anyone suggest the best place to try for accommodation for Jodie (the missus) and I for Fri & Sat? I guess not too far from the track and where other VMX ers are staying.
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I'm pretty sure the motels are all booked out but you could try the Alexander Hotel in Rydal, about 10-15 minutes from the track. We stayed there last year and even though the roof nearly blew off during the storm it was clean, warm and comfy. It's no Hilton Hotel but is a rustic, down to earth typical country pub. We've gone a bit more up market this year and are staying at the Black and Gold Motel but I think it's booked out. Give them a ring but I don't like your chances. You could try the Royal Hotel in 'Wang as well.
http://publocation.com.au/pubs/nsw/rydal/rydal-pub-alexander-hotel (http://publocation.com.au/pubs/nsw/rydal/rydal-pub-alexander-hotel) http://www.blackgoldcabins.com.au/ (http://www.blackgoldcabins.com.au/) http://www.royalhotelwang.com/ (http://www.royalhotelwang.com/)
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Cool, we are booked-in at the Colonial in Marrangaroo for Fri & Sat :-)
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Ken, are you still intending to have online entry, or is the entry form from Manly Waringah the only way to enter?
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Hi Graeme - all entry is via the Manly Warringah Club.
Regards
Ken
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Hi Ken,
which brand will be 'on display' at CD10 this year? Any chance it may be green................?
Adam
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Hi Ken,
which brand will be 'on display' at CD10 this year? Any chance it may be green................?
Adam
Green is nice ;D
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We're still working on that at the moment.
Ken
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I did write a post for this event, though lost it with little service out on the A4DE trails.
I met up with a couple of CD9 attendee's at A4DE and the conversation I had really pulled a heart string for the meaning of Classic Dirt events.
With this mega event bringing in a yearly gathering of like minded people that knew each other from back in the day to the recently acquainted dirt bike enthusiasts.
Really is worth putting some coins away to bucket list this one. 8)
A place of many well known faces.
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i think it will be suzuki on display as its called suzuki classic dirt 10
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Suzuki has been on display already. CD 7 if I recall correctly. Someone else's turn this year I hope.
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Still working on displays but either way Suzuki will be offering some awards this year for bikes and they will be bringing some of the championship bikes they've used over the years for various events/titles. But, more importantly, Suzuki Classic Dirt 10 is NEXT MONTH. Have you entered yet? If not, go to the Manly Warringah MCC website http://manlywarringahmcc.com.au then scroll down, see the CD10 entry, print out the form and please send it in.
Thanks
Ken
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Here's hoping they both get to Classic Dirt this year 8) 8)(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/vaughanandjeffleiskagain84_zps70343ff1.jpg) (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/vmx247/media/vaughanandjeffleiskagain84_zps70343ff1.jpg.html)
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Legends for Suzuki Classic Dirt 10 - so far we have acceptances from
Anthony Gunter, Stephen Gall, Geoff Ballard, Laurie Alderton, Vaughan Style, Per Klitland, Phil Eldridge, Peter Ploen, John Behrens and even '70s Aussie Trials Peter Paice.
So a few new faces and lots more to come. Get your entry in now - via the Manly Warringah MCC website here: http://manlywarringahmcc.com.au/
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Looking good. the Legends laps and interviews should be a highlight as usual.
Now just 5 weeks to go, time to haul the bikes out of the shed and do some necessary maintenance. I've only been doing modern dirt track this year so the oldies are in the back shed. The poor old IT hasn't even been started since Christmas time...
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On the gas at CD9 - moving some dirt on a CR500. Look forward to seeing more of this in a bit over 4 weeks time!
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There is a new thread about CD10 that all should read. ::)
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Well that's worrying news but I do hope everyone who is thinking of going but has not entered will do so asap. Now, Classic Dirt is a celebration of the good times, so please let's get behind this event. You all know what it is, where it is and when it is. All that's needed now is to support it. Let's get into it. All I gotta do is get the new clutch into the RM and I'm good to go.
Bring it on. :)
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Ok I have herded the cats and they have made promises to get it done this week. ::)
Looking forward to it hope they get a little bit of rain in the coming weeks.
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Actually it would be important for people to register by email or fax now. By mail may not be fast enough. ;)
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Get your entrys in and support this great event. It must be hard in a down turn to keep a neche magazine going let alone take a risk on a big event. Support it or loose it
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Get your entrys in and support this great event. It must be hard in a down turn to keep a neche magazine going let alone take a risk on a big event. Support it or loose it
Exactly Bazza...there's a lot on the line if the event is cancelled. Classic Dirt needs your support guys so please enter as soon as possible....by email or fax as Alistair has indicated.
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Get your entrys in and support this great event. It must be hard in a down turn to keep a neche magazine going let alone take a risk on a big event. Support it or loose it
Exactly Bazza...there's a lot on the line if the event is cancelled. Classic Dirt needs your support guys so please enter as soon as possible....by email or fax as Alistair has indicated.
Jesus is it really that bad Firko? If so then I'll just send you a cheque for the entry money and not show up .. that way you can resell my spot and get double. It's not a lot of money to enter.
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Well, we're not desperate, but if it is cancelled, we will lose money spent already which we really can't afford to lose! ::)
And of course, we'd really like to see it go ahead. ;D
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:) :)
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Ajay,
Myself and I'm sure many others on this forum will understand if you have to cancel.
Also if it is cancelled I won't be asking or wanting my money back, as I don't want Ken, yourself or VMX mag worse off because some/lot of people couldn't pull their finger out and enter.
Curly
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Thanks Curly! Hopefully it won't be cancelled, so the issue won't have to be addressed!
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Does anybody know the total of entries received at this point.
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No, I don't. :o
And I won't be worrying about it until Monday. ;)
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Well, all I can say is that anyone planning to enter who hasn't yet done it, do get to work today and enter.
You can find out more and download the entry form here:
http://manlywarringahmcc.com.au/suzuki-classic-dirt-10/
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Yes Graeme, and the deadline for the GO/NO GO decision is Monday, probably about lunchtime.
So if you are planning to ride at CD10 and you haven't registered to ride yet, do it electronically NOW! ;)
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Yes, good point. If you are going to enter, do it now. Print off the form, fill it in and then scan/email/fax it in. Let's make it happen.
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Submitted my entry in early June .
Have, in the past couple of weeks, hassled a few mates to get their CD 10 entries in .
Hope this event is a goer.
Regards ,
Steve
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come on guys support those who support you or be sorry when its gone
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I emailed my entry late last week, should I expect a confirmation email ?
Mike
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My is in the snail mail but it differently on its way,
Looking forward to catching up with the Kiwi's over a beer.
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Hope it arrives in Monday's mail.... or it could be too late! 8)
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So what's the verdict Ajay, Is CD10 on or not?
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I know quite a few Victorians that are going, myself & GF too, need to plan things, need an answer.
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Well it's Monday and I'm eating lunch so.... ;D
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Yeah but you know those swanky magazine types. Always having late lunches at some classy restaurant somewhere.
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Just been put on VMX Facebook page that the event will not be going ahead. I'm sure official notice will be given here soon.
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Yes, just saw that myself. Looks like it is not going ahead this year :(
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Fluck it. :'(
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This is a major disappointment but I know that the event wouldn't have been canned if there had been any way of saving it. This has been one hell of a shit year for our sport.
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Indeed it has Firko. Sorry to everyone who has made plans.
Just so as you know, we were not remotely close to even a break even financial situation and we cannot afford to put our business in jeopardy. :(
Of course, plans will now commence for CD10 to be held sometime in 2014. Hopefully the economy will be better then also. 8)
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Hopefully the economy will be better then also. 8)
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Let's hope so guys. Word was last week from prominant sooth-sayer on ABC radio that whichever party won on the weekend was about to inherit a very healthy economy. Like I said ''let's hope so''
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There goes the $570 airline tickets, hopefully folk will get accomodation deposits back.Have been to all 9 events but me thinks this will be the last.
May be local business who benefit and MA if they charge need to look at what they can do.
2 nationals and a C/dirt cancelled,interesting
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Looks like CD10 in QLD next year?
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Well, I took time off to go >:(, well that is a shame, :( was looking forward to it :-\, thats it for me, Victoria needs to get their act together.
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Sorry Bazza, we know it's probably had more effect on our cousins across the Tasman than here in OZ. All I can say is that if you are able to defer your tickets to 2014, then do so. ;)
As for speculation about locations for 2014... I wouldn't suggest anyone waste their time on that one! ::)
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A refund will be appreciated from the host club thank you
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There goes the $570 airline tickets, hopefully folk will get accomodation deposits back.Have been to all 9 events but me thinks this will be the last.
May be local business who benefit and MA if they charge need to look at what they can do.
2 nationals and a C/dirt cancelled,interesting
Hey Bazza, See if your air tickets are transferable . The wife and I may be coming to NZ at Xmas time. I will take them off your hands if we go
Cheers Ted
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Thanks guys but im thinking of the Anzac spirit and will probably come over for a few beers with fellow vmxers.
A/J after running australasian Mr motocross for Vince and other mx /supercross meets in the day i totally understand your decission.
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Thats a bit of bad news, as me and bro had entered a while ago, and have to been to most of them. But I'm pretty sure Ray Ryan didn't hold his C.D.'s annually so.........wait till the next one and go for it!
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No, Classic Dirt hasn't always been held annually, but obviously we intended to this time. Not to be.
Yes, all rider registrations will be refunded of course. :)
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All is not lost Bazza....next year in sunny QLD we have the Post Classic Nats at Echo Valley, Toowoomba around Easter time (well know the date soon when our governing body gets off it's fat arse and gives us the date ::)).....the Conondale Classic in August (which has a sort of CD type atmosphere to it along with the fastest guy's in the southern hemisphere going hammer and tongs for it) and I'm sure CD will be back bigger and better than ever somewhere. I feel for Ken and AJ having to cancel CD as I am a small business owner myself and the last few years haven't been very kind to many of us. Also being part of a VMX club committee you get to see a whole different side to running an event...the hundreds of hours and the cost factor would blow many peoples minds....not to mention the stress levels that come with the territory. I'm sure the boys and there families haven't slept much in the last week or two so lets make sure that we fully support what ever they decide to do in the future and not take it out on them over some petty little shit....it will sort itself out. Thanks to all the people that believed in CD....sponsors, Manly club etc.....they'ill be back....it's the Aussie way.
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Looks like CD10 in QLD next year?
All is not lost Bazza....next year in sunny QLD we have the Post Classic Nats at Echo Valley, Toowoomba around Easter time (well know the date soon when our governing body gets off it's fat arse and gives us the date ::)).....the Conondale Classic in August (which has a sort of CD type atmosphere to it along with the fastest guy's in the southern hemisphere going hammer and tongs for it) and I'm sure CD will be back bigger and better than ever somewhere.
As much as I admire the enthusiasm you guys have for all things Queensland, I feel that Classic Dirt and as many big meetings as we can get need to stay in NSW to help rejuvenate the apathy that's crept in down here over the last few years. We all know that the sport's healthy in Queensland but if more effort isn't put into NSW and the even worse Victorian situation the sport as a whole will start going even further backwards than it is now. There are some good people working their arses off down here to try and get things moving again but without our support and enthusiasm they're bashing their heads against the wall. As a self funder retiree I don't need to be reminded that times are tough but why can the big events be so successful in Queensland despite the economic slump yet fail down here? There seems to be a positive attitude up there that we south of the Tweed should be feeding off. Let's look towards the future with optimism and enthusiasm.
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'but why can the big events be so successful in Queensland despite the economic slump yet fail down here? There seems to be a positive attitude up there that we south of the Tweed should be feeding off'
They have:
* Iconic venues,
* A better understanding of what a vinatge motorcycle is.
Just answering a question, nothing else, with my opinion of course. :)
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I know this is my pet hobby-horse and in no way am I trying to find fault with anyone, but I still reckon it's all about promotion. And I point to the success of the Troy Bayliss Classic. So many people to a dirt track event.
I think today we have so many events to choose from there has to be something that makes people sit up and take notice and what to be a part of it.
With Classic Dirt it's not just the riding, it's the whole scene. The vibe. The sheer joy of being part of it. And to be honest, I think that seems to have been missing this year. Look at this forum, hardly any of the usual razzle-dazzle and talking it up. People seem to want to play things down more than talk them up.
So while it's a shame that CD10 isn't going ahead (and I am pretty disappointed too, my only vintage outing for the year!), next year let's see if we can't really talk it up and get that buzz going.
That's my two bobs worth!
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A better understanding of what a vinatge motorcycle is.
I'll probably live to regret asking but.......What is this understanding we down south don't seem to possess?
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Bazza you have mail.
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Can i suggest a meeting to take place in NSW between all interested parties?
A resolution needs to be found, to suite the next gen and the existing passionate members. If we all act like adults, then I can see an outcome, work together and present a "United Front" from the start and not when it's too late.
I think its time all cards were laid down, ideas given consideration, opinions respected! Keep an open mind. We have some brilliant business brains within the sport, why not use them?
I realise, I am at fault here, but, I am keep to help, i'm keen to see VMX survive and become a revolution again.
Maybe we can get Supersenior involved, Col's success in QLD has been unquestionable. Just a thought?
Anyone else care to add?
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A better understanding of what a vinatge motorcycle is.
I'll probably live to regret asking but.......What is this understanding we down south don't seem to possess?
I'm with you Mark Maybe old mate can echo one of Qld's finest and please explain this lack of understanding
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Can i suggest a meeting to take place in NSW between all interested parties?
A resolution needs to be found, to suite the next gen and the existing passionate members. If we all act like adults, then I can see an outcome, work together and present a "United Front" from the start and not when it's too late.
I think its time all cards were laid down, ideas given consideration, opinions respected! Keep an open mind. We have some brilliant business brains within the sport, why not use them?
I realise, I am at fault here, but, I am keep to help, i'm keen to see VMX survive and become a revolution again.
Maybe we can get Supersenior involved, Col's success in QLD has been unquestionable. Just a thought?
Anyone else care to add?
No problems in NSW If something is attractive it will be patronised
Been to a Heaven meet? Always a huge success
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Can i suggest a meeting to take place in NSW between all interested parties?
A resolution needs to be found, to suite the next gen and the existing passionate members. If we all act like adults, then I can see an outcome, work together and present a "United Front" from the start and not when it's too late.
I think its time all cards were laid down, ideas given consideration, opinions respected! Keep an open mind. We have some brilliant business brains within the sport, why not use them?
I realise, I am at fault here, but, I am keep to help, i'm keen to see VMX survive and become a revolution again.
Maybe we can get Supersenior involved, Col's success in QLD has been unquestionable. Just a thought?
Anyone else care to add?
No problems in NSW If something is attractive it will be patronised
Been to a Heaven meet? Always a huge success
Not yet unfortunately, I have been working on every event this year:( But i am a paid up member of Heaven and am looking forward to attending a meeting, I will be renewing my membership, and hopefully the stars align, and i can attend. I have been told they are great.
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You have been told right See ya in the future
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Queenslanders are obviously far more enthusiastic, we had another hugely successful race day yesterday at Echo Valley. The way I see it a lot of southerners are always looking for reasons why not to attend...
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Ok NSW, there's been some disappointments with Post Classic Nats, Classic Nats, and now CD falling over. Two Queenslanders supported the Pre65s at Crawford River and reported it a good meeting.
We hope the NSW riders support the Classic Nats and help us end the year on a high.
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NSW has two active VMX clubs, both in good health (if not "gangbusters").
The failure of the Classic Nats was not related to the riders.
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NSW has two active VMX clubs, both in good health (if not "gangbusters").
Not quite. Penrith now only run one full classic meeting a year and this year even it was piss poor compared to recent years.
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the first post classic championship race meeting to be held was last year nsw post classic championships went off without a hitch.full grids for all classes.YES IT WAS DIRTTRACK AND AT NEPEAN.
jim
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Maybe we've reached saturation point?
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That is so disappointing I'm gutted. But I understand the business point of view.
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I don't know about any one else but I have to cough up a grand in entry fees for my next 3 events, not including accom, fuel, beer and tucker.
Just cost $500 in parts etc to get everything running.
I am going to take a guess that a lot of folks just dont have the funds to go to all of these big events.
And then there is the time thing.
Maybe Slides is on the money. :(
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Victoria needs to get their act together
WTF has Victoria got to do with the cancellation of an event in Regional NSW?
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Victoria needs to get their act together
WTF has Victoria got to do with the cancellation of an event in Regional NSW?
Miss quoted im presuming, nothing to do with NSW!
I think he means Vic needs to get their act together on everything.
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I'm still lost, what "everything" does Victoria have to get together?
There was nothing miss-quoted, it's in plain black and white text.
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Victoria needs to get their act together and starting running these events in the future as we use too.
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I'm still up for a road trip. What about a get together in a Sydney location for a day and night just to catch up (same date). Especially if blokes like Bazza are still going to come over. Have it at a vintage friendly venue. No riding, just bench racing and bullshit!
Cd9.5 if you will.
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Victoria needs to get their act together and starting running these events in the future as we use too.
And the Broadford Bonanza is?
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Brad, you could always hold off for a couple of weeks and come to the Canowindra Cup on 19/20 October. It's a neat event held in the local showgrounds.
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Victoria needs to get their act together and starting running these events in the future as we use too.
And the Broadford Bonanza is?
And broadford Bonanza is done so well, the Vintage Titles in victoria where also done so well, thats what I am saying the clubs here in Victoria need to stand and deliver, the Australia Titles where held in each state each years.
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Victoria needs to get their act together and starting running these events in the future as we use too.
And the Broadford Bonanza is?
And broadford Bonanza is done so well, the Vintage Titles in victoria where also done so well, thats what I am saying the clubs here in Victoria need to stand and deliver, the Australia Titles where held in each state each years.
Yep, Give up Dave, your drowning.
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The HBBB have the formula right in 2013.
No matter what your motorcycling preference is you can get your fix and check out the alternatives.
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My own personal opinion is that if an event is forced to cancel due to low numbers, attempting holding that same event within the twelve months following is probably not the way.. Re structure, re think, re invent and grow interest from far and wide before the event is held again. All the location argument is a load of garbage, people will travel anywhere for something that they really wanna get to!! Pre 90 inclusion could be an option? Maybe not too but I guess it's worth considering along with lots of other things to ensure that when this event is held once again it's so attractive a proposal to all punters that almost can't refuse being there. Commiserations to staff and directors at VMX mag, this could only make an already tough business environment even tougher, keep up the great work, keep the faith and good luck. :)
Cheers, Brendan
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My own personal opinion is that if an event is forced to cancel due to low numbers, attempting holding that same event within the twelve months following is probably not the way.. Re structure, re think, re invent and grow interest from far and wide before the event is held again. All the location argument is a load of garbage, people will travel anywhere for something that they really wanna get to!! Pre 90 inclusion could be an option? Maybe not too but I guess it's worth considering along with lots of other things to ensure that when this event is held once again it's so attractive a proposal to all punters that almost can't refuse being there. Commiserations to staff and directors at VMX mag, this could only make an already tough business environment even tougher, keep up the great work, keep the faith and good luck. :)
Cheers, Brendan
AMEN!
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Can someone state how bad the numbers were, like are we talking 20 percent down on last year? I think this year has been harder financially for a lot more people. I also think the weather from last year did play a bit of a negative part on the event this year. I am in NSW and have a property 30k's from Lithgow so i am not judging the area. But that was pretty shitty. Did the previous years in Qld or mid north coast have better weather? Maybe leaving a better taste of the event...
Brett
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AMEN, Listen to us, feel the force Luke :) the force will be with you.
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Can someone state how bad the numbers were, like are we talking 20 percent down on last year? I think this year has been harder financially for a lot more people. I also think the weather from last year did play a bit of a negative part on the event this year. I am in NSW and have a property 30k's from Lithgow so i am not judging the area. But that was pretty shitty. Did the previous years in Qld or mid north coast have better weather? Maybe leaving a better taste of the event...
Brett
Yeah fair call, would, info be good to know! but, as all QLD'ers will say, the weather is better up there all the time ;D ;D ;D I should know, i just moved from Yeppoon to NSW:)
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Can someone state how bad the numbers were, like are we talking 20 percent down on last year? I think this year has been harder financially for a lot more people. I also think the weather from last year did play a bit of a negative part on the event this year. I am in NSW and have a property 30k's from Lithgow so i am not judging the area. But that was pretty shitty. Did the previous years in Qld or mid north coast have better weather? Maybe leaving a better taste of the event...
Brett
If you call freezing nights the first year and pissing rain with foot deep mud the next year good weather then so be it.( QLD)
FFS....You cannot blame last years weather for not showing up
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Can someone state how bad the numbers were, like are we talking 20 percent down on last year? I think this year has been harder financially for a lot more people. I also think the weather from last year did play a bit of a negative part on the event this year. I am in NSW and have a property 30k's from Lithgow so i am not judging the area. But that was pretty shitty. Did the previous years in Qld or mid north coast have better weather? Maybe leaving a better taste of the event...
Brett
CD8 was pretty wet .. in fact I recall dragging a few NSWelshmen out of the pits in my 80 series. Top blokes they were too ;D
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Bummer :'(.....was really looking forward to riding there again ,
..... rain , hail , or shine.
Regards ,
Steve
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By the way, I was just asking about the weather in prev years as i have only been lucky enough to go to CD9 so far... Well we can rest assured its not due to the ordinary weather then...
Really sorry to hear that it got canned for all involved. Please keep this in mind gents. For the better of the sport. Its a real sensitive time for the organisers and helpers and we really have to be careful that this does not turn into a crap fight.
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NSW has two active VMX clubs, both in good health (if not "gangbusters").
Not quite. Penrith now only run one full classic meeting a year and this year even it was piss poor compared to recent years.
I was talking about Heaven and Northern Districts...
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My own personal opinion is that if an event is forced to cancel due to low numbers, attempting holding that same event within the twelve months following is probably not the way.. Re structure, re think, re invent and grow interest from far and wide before the event is held again. All the location argument is a load of garbage, people will travel anywhere for something that they really wanna get to!! Pre 90 inclusion could be an option? Maybe not too but I guess it's worth considering along with lots of other things to ensure that when this event is held once again it's so attractive a proposal to all punters that almost can't refuse being there. Commiserations to staff and directors at VMX mag, this could only make an already tough business environment even tougher, keep up the great work, keep the faith and good luck. :)
Cheers, Brendan
At the risk of Queensland bashing, if it was held up here it wouldn't have been cancelled due to lack of numbers so location has to be a factor. It must be frustrating in many ways for the Vmx mag guys, especially all the two bobs worth people want to throw in. Pity the (NSW) fool that complains that Classic Dirt won't come to town in the future. He won't know what hit him.
So is anyone interested in NSW to have some form of get together in their own back yard as per my suggestion? Maybe somewhere further north even to entice a few more Queenslanders with a ride day thrown in? Wouldn't mind doing a heaven meet even. Bulladellah?
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I just can't imagine location being a factor. Wallerawang is relatively central for many east coasters and it's within an hour or two of Sydney and surrounding districts. Yes SE Qld would be popular with Qld riders but not so good for those in NSW, Vic and SA.
Weather? CD has unfortunately had a tough time with weather considering several have been held in very heavy conditions. But that has never stopped people turning up before.
Amenities? Maybe, but unless everyone has suddenly turned into princesses I doubt it. The first two CDs were held in paddocks and went right off.
What's left? Too many events to spread across too few people. I say that in a more 'competitive' environment people have to be sold on the idea of why they'd spend their dollars on an event. Which brings us right back to promotion. People gotta know it's on, they gotta know it'll be great fun, they gotta know it's worth their while and their money. And I think promotion has to start a loooong way out from when an event is on.
VMX mag had Buckleys of rounding up the required extra entries when they only asked a few days out from their Go/No Go date. That's not criticism of them, I'm just making the point that it's unlikely there were a lot of undecided riders just needing to be prodded into action. The riders that were needed either didn't know, or hadn't been sold on the idea.
Again, just my two bobs worth.
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Graham you have a point, but costs (land, MA?fees?) if overheads are a factor dont hold in that state or town.Having been to all 9 events it was obvious we were spoilt by connondale as a venue,facilities etc
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Why not consider combining CD10 and the Australian vintage Titles together each years as one large event, it would lift the load of funds for the competitors, and something to look forward
too. Plus the work load in running one large event would easier than organizing two events.
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The whole group we were with last year loved wallerawang as a venue - had a ball ! weather was a bit cool (good for a fire/beer) wind was a one off and a piss-off ! IMO the main reason i think people werent queing up this year would be financial , it was for me and id bet many more are feeling the pinch !
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Dido B40 "financial"
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My girlfriend & I paid the entry fee early, booked a hire van, booked the days off work, booked accommodation, I won't be entering anything interstate again unless I get a guarantee it is running 'no matter what'.
I bet others will feel the same way, as I said previously THE CD10 EVENT HAD TO RUN NO MATTER WHAT, for future events, especially after the Post Classic & Classic Title debarkles.
I feel for the organizers but there is no else left to take the blame, either .....
* They didn't do enough promotion.
* They didn't charge enough to cover costs.
* They couldn't keep overheads to an acceptable level.
* They didn't drum up enough sponsors
I guess if numbers are needed to bring in the income then open it to 'Pre 90', if they want to keep the restriction on classes then keep the overheads down or bump up the entry fee?
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You make an interesting point John. Again I offer no criticism of anyone in making this observation, but if numbers were the problem, and by that I mean paid up entrants, there WAS an option for continuing by simply asking riders to stump up the extra. For example, if numbers are capped at 600 but only 300 pre-entered, that means that those 300 only needed to pay double the entry cost to make it happen. Given that would have been what, $30 a head, it's not a big ask when you consider the weekend costs most of us maybe $1000 or more per head to attend. Hells Bells, I'd have paid $250 just to keep it all happening, I like it THAT much.
Anyways, the organisers made their call and all of our thoughts won't help that. But I hope that our discussion offers up food for thought around how to make it happen next year. I for one am happy to do more to promote it via this forum and the ausvmx.ning.com website.
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Why not consider combining CD10 and the Australian vintage Titles together each years as one large event, it would lift the load of funds for the competitors, and something to look forward
too. Plus the work load in running one large event would easier than organizing two events.
I think this idea has some merit. It could even address the issue that some have raised that there are simply too many events on in one calender year
Ok, I grant that not everybody who rides an old bike wants to race but lets just say, for the sake of it, the Nats are usually a 3 day event and CD for 2 days. Now, if somehow it could be organised that the actual race for titles was to be had for half a day Saturday and half a day Sunday, this would allow plenty of time for the punter to have a ride on the track, no matter what class of bike it is.
To my way of thinking, there would be a great enthusiastic crowd for the races already in place. The usual social aspect of the CD could continue as it always had without interfering with the races.
A separate "pit area for race bikes only" could easily be bunted out near the start for those racing. Race bikes could be scrutinered on the day prior and kept in the pits, much like parc ferme' at enduro's. In other words, once a race bike has been scrutinered, it can not leave the pit area until either the end of the meet or retiring from racing.
The event could be classified as a genuine "festival of vintage motocross" with commercial stall holders, a swap meet and anything else the promoters might conjure up.
Keep the usual processes in place for interested clubs applying to host the " Classic Nationals Championship" and once announced, the CD organisers jump on board with that club to do what they do. I see no reason why the 2 entities could not work together. The added benefit would be that whole show would travel from state to state each and every year. The host club would have a better than even chance of actually making a few coins with the envisioned larger crowd and being able to share some of the costs with the CD organisers. I can't see why social riders could not fly under the same "MA race permit" for the sake of keeping costs down.
Sure, the racers will need to pay more to cover transponders and the like, but I think that is totally understandable and workable. It could be as simple as the host club collecting the entries for the racers and the CD mob collecting entries for the social punters.
These are just ideas of course. Nothing more. But, I do believe it could be the thing the movement needs to keep "moving forward".
All that's needed is some co-operation and dedication to get the show back on the road to recovery!
What do you lot think? Please, try and keep it all positive. By that I mean keep all the interstate rivalry out it, we get enough of that with our footy codes etc....
Food for thought,
Mark
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John probably makes a fair criticism about the relatively late decision to cancel, but equally we were trying to give everyone the freedom to enter without badgering them. It's a fine line.
At the end of the day, the numbers we had pre-registered were appalling in comparison to previous CD events at this late stage. The gee up to get people motivated only resulted in a trickle of extra entries during the last week, so the writing was truly on the wall.
Please remember also that the riding fee is not the only component of income in the event, the event entry and camping fees are actually more money and those are never paid until the day. We had to estimate (guess) what they would be, based on past events and rider attendance. So running the event at a higher fee would just not have been feasible, let alone reasonable to those that had already entered.
By far the most common reason stated for not attending has been financial. No doubt other factors apply for various people, but they appear to be in the minority. The financial squeeze has notably had it's effect on other Vintage events this year also, so hopefully this is just a speedbump, not a brick wall.
At the end of the day, we shall try to learn from this experience to ensure that CD10, when it happens will once again be "same old bikes, same old dirt, same old fun"
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I feel for Ken and AJ as this is a decision they wouldn't have made lightly . I have been to 5 of the 9 CD events and they have all been fantastic :) I wouldn't have made it this year as i will only just be home from my UK trip.
One common thing i have found at all CD events is how cheap they are to enter and ride at . They would have to be the best value for money motorcycle events on the planet and maybe too cheap.
I dont think people pushing their own barrow for later era bikes or discussion on venues or marketing will help the event to go forward ,the guys know what they are doing and have a proven succsessfull formula.
The VMX guys have been let down by us the great VMX public for whatever reason :-[
As with all events people have to get behind them and show support as soon as entries are available, i dont think a big increase in the registration and riding levy would deter many as for most of us its the smallest cost anyway all things considered.
Hopefully CD10 can go ahead next year and we can all get behind it and support this great event .
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Hey Guys,
My personal view on Classic Dirt is that maybe, just maybe, it has strayed from its original intention.
The first 2 events in Kyneton were primarily SOCIAL... with a bit of riding thrown in for FUN.
Over time the event seems to have drifted away from the original focus on the social side of VMX to more of a riding [almost racing style] event with some added bench racing. The upshot of this is that the event has to supply [or access] bigger and better facilities to accommodate the riding. This of course significantly limits potential venues and vastly increases the promoters upfront costs.
So my question is... how many punters would attend if the event was promoted in the style of the original 2 Kyneton events? A VMX Classic Dirt event that is NOTHING like a race meeting and instead a simple event primarily focussed on everybody getting together for a huge social weekend with a bit of riding thrown in.
I am not trying to limit the event [and maybe I am just wearing my Rose Tinted glasses], just to refine its purpose and place in the VMX calendar. In my mind it has become a serious riding event when its original intent was more as an inclusive social event designed to bring everybody together for one weekend a year. There are plenty of other events for serious riding/racing.
Classic Dirt needs to be seen as a completely different type of event to differentiate it from the pack - it should be OUR ONE SOCIAL EVENT of the year - not another pseudo race meeting.
My perfect event would have the FEEL of a mate simply inviting his friends to his farm for the weekend. Setting up a simple track in the paddock, and everybody getting together - have a ride, have a beer, have a laugh, take the piss, a big BBQ and some more beer. Go to sleep and get up and do it again... and come back next year...
That's my 2 cents spent...
VMX42
...and yes, they are MY 2 cents. Nobody has loaned them to me. Nor have they asked that I spend their 2 cents on their behalf. My 2 cents... no reading between the lines please...
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I have to say that I am bitterly disappointed with this outcome. I had to organise time off from work for myself and the missus, book and pay for Hunter Valley accommodation (needed to talk the missus into coming to CD with me) in the week before the event, paid my entry fee well in advance and planned a heap of stuff to drop off and pick up at the event. To cancel the accommodation now is going to cost me half of what I paid plus a $50 cancellation fee. To say that the state of the economy and lack of funds to pay a $40 entry fee for an event that is within a few hours of Sydney, has got to be a joke. We must really be dealing with the lower end of the socio-economic spectrum (or "bottom feeders", as I think Walter has described) if that is the case. I would happily paid two or three times the entry fee. Also to blame last years weather or not liking the track , has got to be piss poor excuses as well. It was going to cost me over $800 in fuel to drive the 5000km plus return trip from North Queensland, but I was more than happy to do that, as I did last year. I feel sorry from the NZers who have paid for flights. To read all the pissing and moaning on this forum when the CD events were held in Queensland, from southerners wanting to have it closer to their home, really leaves a sour taste in my mouth. When they get their wish, (and that goes for the nationals events as well) they don't support the events.
I am no way critical of the organisers or the good people from south of the border that I have met at the 8 Classic Dirt events that I have been to. But I feel that I am swimming against the tide and it is now highly unlikely that I will enter another event south of the Queensland border, except for maybe the Bike Bonanza. Maybe it is time for me to look another hobby, so I might dust off my old stand up Jet Skis and just go trail riding to get my motorcycling fix.
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I'm going to have a really selfish whinge now..............For the last three years I've suffered from some pretty restrictive and annoying health problems that had kept me largely away from my bikes and anything to do with the sport with the exception of Classic Dirt and this forum. This year sees me in the best health I've been in yonks and pumped up with a new enthusiasm for the sport. I've built two new bikes and revamped a couple more and bought new riding gear.....all enthusiastic about returning to the sport that I genuinely love. Then shit started to happen..........
*HBBB...Ready to leave when my travel partner became very ill himself right at the last minute so we had no choice but to abandon the journey south.
*Post Classic Nats...Looking very much forward to acting as a spannerman for a mate's debut of a really trick and interesting pre 85 bike.......meeting canned.
*Dirt Track Nats . Unable to enter because I couldn't arrange respite care for my elderly mother. It was either CD10 or the Dirt Track and I took the CD10 option.
*Crawford River Classic . I was excited about experiencing my first VMX ride in 10 years, the Cheney and DT1 are ready but my old mum unexpectedly suffered an injury preventing her going into the respite facility so I had to forgo plans of attending for two days, leave the bikes at home and travel up for a 4 hour drop in social visit.
*Classic Dirt 10...My Klub Kevlar chums and I have attended every Classic Dirt and have hosted some of the best parties, presented some genuinely interesting bikes and really hooked into the camaraderie that CD is famous for. This year we'd hired a 6mx6m marquee, industrial sized BBQ and a bunch of rooms at the Black and Gold and were debuting three, possibly four new bikes. I was excited about riding for the first time since CD2 at Kyneton. Unfortunately.. canned.
*HEAVEN final round, Canowindra. I had mum booked in to respite for Classic Dirt so this morning I cancelled it and attempted to book her in the following weekend so that I can ride the Canowindra round. Unfortunately I haven't given them enough warning so it's booked out. I'm now playing phone bingo trying to find a facility that can take a 94 year old with medical needs. I don't like my chances on such short notice but I'm not giving up without giving it a good try.
*Classic Nats I had accommodation and Mums respite booked for Canberra so with the venue change being on the same date I only had to cancel the motel and the original respite still stands. I'm entering three bikes with three different riders and I've also volunteered to do some eligibility consultation and announcing. Edna is booked into respite, the bikes look like they'll be competitive and I have the Jeep booked in for a service three days before leaving. I really have my fingers crossed.
I guess I'm being a sook but the Classic Dirt cancellation has really put me into a dose of the miserables. I really thought that this year was going to be a personal ripper and a big one for the sport but in the end it's been a shitter both ways. There have been good reasons for the cancellations and my mums welfare comes above any bloody race meeting but I still can't feel anything but sad and depressed when I should have been jumping with joy.
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VMX42 you are on to it and sum up what Ray started with.Not saying thats better than we have now but K.I.S.S. principal and for costs,getting old and forgetfull but i dont remember MA having there nose in the trough in the early days (another cost) Kynton was car club paddock ,swap meet,huge social event and a ride
May be find land thats reasonable for price,cut out legends ride and frills, Keep It Simple Stupid philosophy,MA out of picture ,just good times.
Can a land owner invite 800 mates to his place for a ride with out MA bull shit?
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I'm going to have a really selfish whinge now..............For the last three years I've suffered from some me pretty restrictive and annoying health problems that had kept me largely away from my bikes and anything to do with the sport with the exception of Classic Dirt and this forum. This year sees me in the best health I've been in yonks and pumped up with a new enthusiasm for the sport. I've built two new bikes and revamped a couple more and bought new riding gear.....all enthusiastic about returning to the sport that I genuinely love. Then shit started to happen..........
*HBBB...Ready to leave when my travel partner got very ill himself so we abandoned the journey south.
*Post Classic Nats...Looking very much forward to acting as a spannerman for a mate's debut of a really trick and interesting pre 85 bike.......meeting canned.
*Dirt Track Nats . Unable to enter because I couldn't arrange respite care for my elderly mother. It was either CD10 or the Dirt Track and I took the CD10 option.
*Crawford River Classic . I was excited about experiencing my first VMX ride in 10 years, the Cheney and DT1 are ready but my old mum unexpectedly suffered an injury preventing her going into the respite facility so I had to forgo plans of attending for two days, leave the bikes at home and travel up for a 4 hour drop in visit.
*Classic Dirt 10...My Klub Kevlar chums and I have attended every Classic Dirt and have hosted the best parties, presented some genuinely interesting bikes and really hooked into the camaraderie
that CD is famous for. We's hired a 6mx6m marquee, industrial sized BBQ and a bunch of rooms at the Black and Gold and were debuting three, possibly four new bikes. I was excited about riding for the first time since CD2 at Kyneton. Unfortunately.. canned.
*HEAVEN final round, Canowindra. I had mum booked in to respite for Classic Dirt so this morning I cancelled it and attempted to book her in the following weekend so that I can ride the Canowindra round. Unfortunately I haven't given them enough warning so it's booked out. I'm now playing phone bingo trying to find a facility that can take a 94 year old with medical needs. I don't like my chances on such short notice but I'm not giving up without giving it a good try.
*Classic Nats I had accomidation and Mums respite booked for Canberra so luckily I only had to cancel the motel and the respite still stands. I'm entering three bikes with three different riders and I've also volunteered to do some eligibility consultation and announcing. Edna is booked into respite, the bikes look like they'll be competitive and I have the Jeep booked in for a service three days before leaving. I really have my fingers crossed.
I guess I'm being a sook but the Classic Dirt cancellation has really put me into a dose of the miserables. I really thought that this year was going to be a personal ripper and a big one for the sport but in the end it's been a shitter both ways. There have been good reasons for the cancellations and my mums welfare comes above any bloody race meeting but I still can't feel anything but sad and depressed when I should have been jumping with joy.
Certainly makes my predicament look pretty minuscule, I hope it works out for you Firko!
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Can a land owner invite 800 mates to his place for a ride with out MA bull shit?
Of course you can, but as a land owner I wouldn’t invite that many people over without some decent insurance cover and that is what MA provide.
Love them or hate them it’s the insurance that we need.
I’m not prepared to lose my house because some dickhead trips over his own tent peg while pissed.
CD at the Nats, clutching at straws again.
The 2 events cannot work together and they would distract from each other.
CD is about bringing out all the uncompetitive bikes to ride for fun.
Nats is about bringing out all the uncompetitive riders to ride for sheep stations.
There would not be enough time for everyone to ride let alone time to reorganize CD
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CD at the Nats, clutching at straws again.
The 2 events cannot work together and they would distract from each other.
CD is about bringing out all the uncompetitive bikes to ride for fun.
Nats is about bringing out all the uncompetitive riders to ride for sheep stations.
There would not be enough time for everyone to ride let alone time to reorganize CD
LOL .. as usual Geoff has a humourous side to inject ;)
But jokes aside, whilst it's probably too late to do anything for this year (Asie from a trail ride and there is some good riding around that area I believe), I thought there might have been some merit in the idea of a combined event. Maybe more along (what I think is) the Goodwood festival of speed concept .... racing, shows, trade exhibits, swap meet and social stuff ... all mixed in together?
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Keep your chin up Mark. Life gets in the way of what we want out of it sometimes and it's easy to get depressed about it. I feel your pain mate, having gone through a bit of a rough patch myself the last couple of years. And this year I made the postive decision to get back to what I love doing and out of the shed. Again. life throws it's shitty hospital passes at me and I miss out on what I had planned. It isn't going to stop me doing what I can though. Things will turn around if we all make it turn around. At least you have the Nats to look forward to now, even if you won't be contesting. The guys, and girl, will have one of the best pit bosses in their corner and I'm sure you will enjoy yourself. I know Tony C will give it his all for you, as no doubt will the others.
I'm still working on finding someone to share the trip to Wryalong with. I simply can not justify going by myself. Let alone the cost involved and I'm pretty sure that someone will look after my bikes and gear for me IF the worse scenario happens (you know, that thing we don't talk about!) but I just don't want to end up in an awkward situation and having to worry about all my toys.
This is why alot of us don't pre enter events and organisers need to realise this. We simply don't know what might come up to prevent us from entering/attending. I know it's hard on organisers not knowing if they will have a viable event or not, but every business has to take that chance. All the speculation in the world doesn't mean a profit other than on paper! There is no such thing as a sure thing. If all our farmers pulled the pin every time they had a bad year, all our food would be coming from OS by now.
The last big do (other than hbbb) that I attended was WA's 15th anniversary in 2010. Even then, it was only a month before the date that I had commited to being able to go. I rang the President, asked if it was too late to enter, he said no, I sent off the paperwork and away I (we) went. Even then, 1 of the guys pulled out so 2 of us had to effectively cover his missing fuel money. It's a big land we live in and travel isn't cheap. Trying to do all the events on the calender year in, year out is nigh on impossible for us mere "bottom dwellers" (as has been stated) who have to budget our lives.
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CD at the Nats, clutching at straws again.
The 2 events cannot work together and they would distract from each other.
CD is about bringing out all the uncompetitive bikes to ride for fun.
Nats is about bringing out all the uncompetitive riders to ride for sheep stations.
There would not be enough time for everyone to ride let alone time to reorganize CD
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I don't believe that to be the case Geoff. I think the 2 combined would only enhance the "vibe" of all things VMX related. Maybe if we think big, big things will happen....
Must admit though, "Nats is about bringing out all the uncompetitve riders to ride for sheep stations" did induce a good chuckle. Thanks!
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Another way It could be looked at is that the event has always been a promotion primarily for VMX magazine, bearing in mind how profitable the event has been in recent years based on record breaking attendances, you have to wonder why the event should be cancelled at such late notice specially when there were overseas visitors committed to attending, the carry over profits from the previous few years in particular you think should have been able to off set a year that was not as profitable and certainly would have been valuable goodwill to the VMX community and all that had committed themselves and there money to go this year as John O said this event should not have been cancelled, to run it would have been giving back to the market place that the business of the magazine thrives off ? this will impact future CD's so the downward spiral could begin until it is a memory,just sayin
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CD at the Nats, clutching at straws again.
The 2 events cannot work together and they would distract from each other.
CD is about bringing out all the uncompetitive bikes to ride for fun.
Nats is about bringing out all the uncompetitive riders to ride for sheep stations.
There would not be enough time for everyone to ride let alone time to reorganize CD
LOL .. as usual Geoff has a humourous side to inject ;)
But jokes aside, whilst it's probably too late to do anything for this year (Asie from a trail ride and there is some good riding around that area I believe), I thought there might have been some merit in the idea of a combined event. Maybe more along (what I think is) the Goodwood festival of speed concept .... racing, shows, trade exhibits, swap meet and social stuff ... all mixed in together?
Hi Simo63,
The Festival of Speed has the hill climb and rally sections as demonstrations, not races. The Legends Laps at CD are a similar concept.
The Festival has enormous manufacturer support and has actually precipitated the death nell of traditional Motor Shows around the world. It is a fantastic event, but it is more of a celebration of motor racing and not really promoted as a social event. Our tiny [by comparison] VMX passtime hasn't got the commerical reach of the Festival and I can't see it ever achieving it.
My 'Farm' concept was my simple attempt to position CD in a completely different sphere from the plethora of VMX competition events available. IMHO its primary focus should be on the social side of VMX with riding as a sideline. CD seem to be getting lost in the long list racing events. It should have a clear differentiation from them.
And yes, Geoff is correct about the liability and the necessity of MA involvement.
Cheers,
VMX42
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If small clubs in Unzud can get Millions of dollars of cover for under a $1K why cant auzie??????
Have people tried or do you all believe the MA spin on insurance?
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I was just talking to a mate who brought up something I hadn't considered. He reminded me that Classic Dirt had, in the main been held on Easter and later, Queens Birthday long weekends which enabled interstaters to take less time away from work. Perhaps the event being held on a normal two day weekend had some impact on interstaters travel options. (Just thinking out aloud)
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Number8 Very valid point!!!
Firko Very valid point re long weekend
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Of course Geoff is right about liability. We don't need any lessons there. Perhaps there is another means of public liability insurance. Shite, I got "bonus" $3 million liability cover with my business insurance when I was doing the bike transport.
Ok, take the Goodwood example out of the picture and start thinking along the lines of the "Summer Nats" held in ACT each and every year with huge numbers that grow with every meeting. I believe they had 30.000 people through the gates this last year.
I'm not suggesting that VMX will ever get that sort of number, just using it as model as to what could be done.
It has "competitive" events. Otherwise unregisterable vehicles can cruise the streets. Vast amounts of alcohol are consumed by the punters. The general public watch the cruise through the streets of Canberra in the tens of thousands. They obviously get insurance from somewhere and I would suggest that the Summer Nats would be a hell of a lot more risk than lets say, 200 people riding dirt bikes on an enclosed course that spectators can not enter. Then there's the fact that the "pits" are for competitors (and assistants) only. We all know alcohol and smoking is a no go in the pit area also.
I don't know the answers. I'm just throwing some ideas around and sharing them with you lot, people who share my interest.
Maybe, just maybe, it's time for some new strategies to be put in place. As Paul Kelly sings, from little things, big things grow......
If we keep on being negative and saying it can't ever happen, that's exactly what will happen. Nothing
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Goodwood, Summer Nats .. whatever but the idea was to have a broader event with broader appeal. I think we are talking about the same thing here with a combined event that appeals to a wider audience but these are only ideas being discussed by a few ... everyone is welcome to join in .. it is our sport and we want it to prosper don't we ;)
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I shake my head with disbelief with some of the replies on here.
Cd and the nationals being combined would be the worst.
The demise once again has to fall on the shoulders of the state its run in. They always make up the majority. It's obvious to me there is a genuine lack of interest being shown in NSW. If its a 2 hour drive you'd burn a $100 in fuel, a lousy $50 to enter and if you camped and bought drink and food another $100. You guys must have some really cool tv shows to watch instead.
Also I think it's ridiculous to try and reinvent the wheel or even say to go back to the way it was. The beauty of classic dirt is that you can take out of it want you want. If you want to flog your bike all weekend you can, or if you just want to talk shit you can do that too. Not tooemtion everything in between.
Not enough advertising? Hello! Every year it's been on. Have you got the memory of a gold fish?
I am also happy to pay a lot more to enter this event.
I have to say that I am bitterly disappointed with this outcome. I had to organise time off from work for myself and the missus, book and pay for Hunter Valley accommodation (needed to talk the missus into coming to CD with me) in the week before the event, paid my entry fee well in advance and planned a heap of stuff to drop off and pick up at the event. To cancel the accommodation now is going to cost me half of what I paid plus a $50 cancellation fee. To say that the state of the economy and lack of funds to pay a $40 entry fee for an event that is within a few hours of Sydney, has got to be a joke. We must really be dealing with the lower end of the socio-economic spectrum (or "bottom feeders", as I think Walter has described) if that is the case. I would happily paid two or three times the entry fee. Also to blame last years weather or not liking the track , has got to be piss poor excuses as well. It was going to cost me over $800 in fuel to drive the 5000km plus return trip from North Queensland, but I was more than happy to do that, as I did last year. I feel sorry from the NZers who have paid for flights. To read all the pissing and moaning on this forum when the CD events were held in Queensland, from southerners wanting to have it closer to their home, really leaves a sour taste in my mouth. When they get their wish, (and that goes for the nationals events as well) they don't support the events.
I am no way critical of the organisers or the good people from south of the border that I have met at the 8 Classic Dirt events that I have been to. But I feel that I am swimming against the tide and it is now highly unlikely that I will enter another event south of the Queensland border, except for maybe the Bike Bonanza. Maybe it is time for me to look another hobby, so I might dust off my old stand up Jet Skis and just go trail riding to get my motorcycling fix.
He'll yeah. What you said!
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Suzuki Classic dirt started out to be in Victoria, why not combine CD10 with Broadford banaza next years, which would work out much better for everyone,than having a competion event combined with a non competion event. and have the Australia Vintage titles every two years. not every years. just a thought.
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Suzuki Classic dirt started out to be in Victoria, why not combine CD10 with Broadford banaza next years, which would work out much better for everyone,than having a competion event combined with a non competion event. and have the Australia Vintage titles every two years. not every years. just a thought.
I can see David White and Ken sitting at the table planning that little exercise...not. Surely you're taking the piss Dave? The same for combining the Nats with Classic Dirt. As Brad has already stated, both events would be tripping over each other.....a monumentally dumb idea.
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Another way It could be looked at is that the event has always been a promotion primarily for VMX magazine, bearing in mind how profitable the event has been in recent years based on record breaking attendances, you have to wonder why the event should be cancelled at such late notice specially when there were overseas visitors committed to attending, the carry over profits from the previous few years in particular you think should have been able to off set a year that was not as profitable and certainly would have been valuable goodwill to the VMX community and all that had committed themselves and there money to go this year as John O said this event should not have been cancelled, to run it would have been giving back to the market place that the business of the magazine thrives off ? this will impact future CD's so the downward spiral could begin until it is a memory,just sayin
#8
Number 8, you truly have a chip on your shoulder don't you? ::)
Here is the reality.
No Classic Dirt has been nearly as profitable as you seem to think and continue to post on OzVMX. There is a perception that you continue to try to perpetuate is that we are fat cats ripping off the Classic Dirt punters. Nothing could be further from the truth in fact. Carry over profits? Don't make me laugh. Yes, we made small GROSS profits on the last few CDs, but when the time and effort that is expended in organising them is taken into account, I doubt our hourly rate would be any better than 16 year olds working at McDonalds. :o
The reality also is that running VMX magazine is not in any way lucrative and what small profits we have made in the past years have effectively subsidised the VMX Magazine business. If you are offended that we are trying to make a living, good luck to you. Just bear in mind that no other Vintage Dirt Bike magazine which isn't part of a big publishing group has survived in the last 3 years... then you may realise where we are coming from.
You really need to try and be a little more positive, not continually try to shoot anyone who is supporting the VMX scene down. It's people like you who are killing this sport. >:(
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Suzuki Classic dirt started out to be in Victoria, why not combine CD10 with Broadford banaza next years, which would work out much better for everyone,than having a competion event combined with a non competion event. and have the Australia Vintage titles every two years. not every years. just a thought.
I can see David White and Ken sitting at the table planning that little exercise...not. Surely you're taking the piss Dave? The same for combining the Nats with Classic Dirt. As Brad has already stated, both events would be tripping over each other.....a monumentally dumb idea.
I am not taking the piss out of anyone, I think both parties do need to sit down and discuss these issues, if something is done, vmx will die, and people need to get their heads out of the clouds and do what is right for the future.
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Suzuki Classic dirt started out to be in Victoria, why not combine CD10 with Broadford banaza next years, which would work out much better for everyone,than having a competion event combined with a non competion event. and have the Australia Vintage titles every two years. not every years. just a thought.
I can see David White and Ken sitting at the table planning that little exercise...not. Surely you're taking the piss Dave? The same for combining the Nats with Classic Dirt. As Brad has already stated, both events would be tripping over each other.....a monumentally dumb idea.
I am not taking the piss out of anyone, I think both parties do need to sit down and discuss these issues, if something is done, vmx will die, and people need to get their heads out of the clouds and do what is right for the future.
Dave, all I can say is that is NOT going to happen. HBBB is a completely different event, with significantly, a completely different sponsor.
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I shake my head with disbelief with some of the replies on here.
Cd and the nationals being combined would be the worst.
The demise once again has to fall on the shoulders of the state its run in. They always make up the majority. It's obvious to me there is a genuine lack of interest being shown in NSW. If its a 2 hour drive you'd burn a $100 in fuel, a lousy $50 to enter and if you camped and bought drink and food another $100. You guys must have some really cool tv shows to watch instead.
Also I think it's ridiculous to try and reinvent the wheel or even say to go back to the way it was. The beauty of classic dirt is that you can take out of it want you want. If you want to flog your bike all weekend you can, or if you just want to talk shit you can do that too. Not tooemtion everything in between.
Not enough advertising? Hello! Every year it's been on. Have you got the memory of a gold fish?
I am also happy to pay a lot more to enter this event.
Exactly what Brad said!
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What is different, fun riding weekend for all disciplines , well organized, lots of vulonteers to help, same people with the same interest, sponsors are honda and suzuki over the years. VMX Mag could also be part of it. very good promotion for the magzine. whats the problem. I think your problem is that you want it (CD10) for yourself, keep it as your own package, (VMX Mags little baby), thats all good, But combining with another organization would help the sport and help you guy`s, (VMX MAG to grow more), would be less work for you all.
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Im spewing too but thats not gonna change anything so get to the Viper grasstrack meet ,will be a good weekend details are in the competition . Nice flat grasstrack will suit all bikes and everyone is invited . hilly .
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The demise once again has to fall on the shoulders of the state its run in. They always make up the majority. It's obvious to me there is a genuine lack of interest being shown in NSW. If its a 2 hour drive you'd burn a $100 in fuel, a lousy $50 to enter and if you camped and bought drink and food another $100. You guys must have some really cool tv shows to watch instead.
Interesting point you make Brad particularly when combined with what Alistair has said on Facebook:
Alistair Johnson: The percentage of QLDers at CD9 was basically the same as the VICs, with NSW providing nearly 75% of the entry at that event
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we will be their, I have not entered yet, I have the pass to go since CD10 has cancelled.
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Dave one event sponsored by Suzuki /1 event sponsored by honda......see any problem there?
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Another way It could be looked at is that the event has always been a promotion primarily for VMX magazine, bearing in mind how profitable the event has been in recent years based on record breaking attendances, you have to wonder why the event should be cancelled at such late notice specially when there were overseas visitors committed to attending, the carry over profits from the previous few years in particular you think should have been able to off set a year that was not as profitable and certainly would have been valuable goodwill to the VMX community and all that had committed themselves and there money to go this year as John O said this event should not have been cancelled, to run it would have been giving back to the market place that the business of the magazine thrives off ? this will impact future CD's so the downward spiral could begin until it is a memory,just sayin
#8
Number 8, you truly have a chip on your shoulder don't you? ::)
Here is the reality.
No Classic Dirt has been nearly as profitable as you seem to think and continue to post on OzVMX. There is a perception that you continue to try to perpetuate is that we are fat cats ripping off the Classic Dirt punters. Nothing could be further from the truth in fact. Carry over profits? Don't make me laugh. Yes, we made small GROSS profits on the last few CDs, but when the time and effort that is expended in organising them is taken into account, I doubt our hourly rate would be any better than 16 year olds working at McDonalds. :o
The reality also is that running VMX magazine is not in any way lucrative and what small profits we have made in the past years have effectively subsidised the VMX Magazine business. If you are offended that we are trying to make a living, good luck to you. Just bear in mind that no other Vintage Dirt Bike magazine which isn't part of a big publishing group has survived in the last 3 years... then you may realise where we are coming from.
You really need to try and be a little more positive, not continually try to shoot anyone who is supporting the VMX scene down. It's people like you who are killing this sport. >:(
No "Chip", No "perpetuating" or insinuating that you are "ripping off the Classic Dirt punters", No I'm not offended that you and your partners are making a living, The work expended is like all businesses and part of the big picture, the "goodwill from that event helps you sell your product through out the year I would imagine, and it has worked very well for you and the VMX community, The impact of cancelling will be determined by your paying customers in the future, No being "negative "you are completely on the wrong track there that wont fly, and No I don't think I am single handily "killing" this sport or the VMX scene, what could be interpreted here is your support has a price ,I may be wrong?
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Another way It could be looked at is that the event has always been a promotion primarily for VMX magazine, bearing in mind how profitable the event has been in recent years based on record breaking attendances, you have to wonder why the event should be cancelled at such late notice specially when there were overseas visitors committed to attending, the carry over profits from the previous few years in particular you think should have been able to off set a year that was not as profitable and certainly would have been valuable goodwill to the VMX community and all that had committed themselves and there money to go this year as John O said this event should not have been cancelled, to run it would have been giving back to the market place that the business of the magazine thrives off ? this will impact future CD's so the downward spiral could begin until it is a memory,just sayin
#8
Number 8, you truly have a chip on your shoulder don't you? ::)
Here is the reality.
No Classic Dirt has been nearly as profitable as you seem to think and continue to post on OzVMX. There is a perception that you continue to try to perpetuate is that we are fat cats ripping off the Classic Dirt punters. Nothing could be further from the truth in fact. Carry over profits? Don't make me laugh. Yes, we made small GROSS profits on the last few CDs, but when the time and effort that is expended in organising them is taken into account, I doubt our hourly rate would be any better than 16 year olds working at McDonalds. :o
The reality also is that running VMX magazine is not in any way lucrative and what small profits we have made in the past years have effectively subsidised the VMX Magazine business. If you are offended that we are trying to make a living, good luck to you. Just bear in mind that no other Vintage Dirt Bike magazine which isn't part of a big publishing group has survived in the last 3 years... then you may realise where we are coming from.
You really need to try and be a little more positive, not continually try to shoot anyone who is supporting the VMX scene down. It's people like you who are killing this sport. >:(
No "Chip", No "perpetuating" or insinuating that you are "ripping off the Classic Dirt punters", No I'm not offended that you and your partners are making a living, The work expended is like all businesses and part of the big picture, the "goodwill from that event helps you sell your product through out the year I would imagine, and it has worked very well for you and the VMX community, The impact of cancelling will be determined by your paying customers in the future, No being "negative "you are completely on the wrong track there that wont fly, and No I don't think I am single handily "killing" this sport or the VMX scene, what could be interpreted here is your support has a price ,I may be wrong?
#8
I am happy to stand by my post. You have repeated insinuated or stated that you think CD has been very profitable, and yet you have no basis for your assertions. As I stated, CD has made some money, but in fact the last 2 years were the least of all.
And I didn't say you were single handedly killing the sport, merely that you are one of those who is not helping.
As I said before, your perceptions about the viability of the magazine business are fanciful as best.
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Please let's keep this thread on track or we risk it going so far off course that it'll be closed. I think discussing what might have affected things this year and how to improve the situation next time is all well and good, but making accusations about motives and so on is unhelpful. The organisers have a business to run and their decisions are their decisions.
Let's keep it constructive.
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When we only had " no disc , no watercooling , no linkage " people in VMX , there no discussions like this . :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
Yeah, keeping the status quo seems to be working great in all areas of vmx doesn't it ::)
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Dave one event sponsored by Suzuki /1 event sponsored by honda......see any problem there?
Has any of you ever been to the Air show at Avalon Victoria , their are more than 100 business promoting the Airshow, and its so successful.
I am sure Honda and Suzuki would not care if there was more than one company promoting the week end, its in there best interest and its also in there best interest to have vmx magazine on board to addvertise there name in the lead up to the event.
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Who wouldn't be shattered.
I long ago bribed my out of town brother to take over my duties with mum for TWO WEEKS.
To be a holiday that I need. She is a great old chook, but I am burning out.
I really feel for would be patrons that have shuffled their lives and committed so much more than me to attend ???
My entry fee is so miniscule in comparison to their losses and I am happy to for-go my entry fees.
Maybe the organisers could perhaps put it aside with any others to help promote next years event?
I do not agree with everything that has happened.
My personal opinion is different to that of the organisers, but it is their cat and thier hard work.
I am so glad that some one had the balls and commitment to restart Ray Ryan's magazine vision.
And I thank the publishers for delivering a Magazine that still meets the high quality that Ray once did.
I know for a fact that I couldn't do it, even if my life depended on it.
For better or for worse, only one VMX family.
Long live old bikes doing it in dirt.
CD 2014
"To be bigger than the state of Texas"
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Dave one event sponsored by Suzuki /1 event sponsored by honda......see any problem there?
Has any of you ever been to the Air show at Avalon Victoria , their are more than 100 business promoting the Airshow, and its so successful.
I am sure Honda and Suzuki would not care if there was more than one company promoting the week end, its in there best interest and its also in there best interest to have vmx magazine on board to addvertise there name in the lead up to the event.
Last time. Not going to happen. ::)
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Errrrrrrrrrr my head hurts, I think I might retire from politics now! :'( :'(
Between the elections and VMX, my head is exploding! :'( :'(
All the best lads, I do hope it's all sorted for next year ;D ;D
Lots of love
Me
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Ajay ,Ken and the rest of the VMX Mag Time to get back to producing your top quality world leading magazine. Later on time to ponder the CD situation. Cheers tim
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, I am not taking the piss out of anyone, I think both parties do need to sit down and discuss these issues, if something is done, vmx will die
dave do you mean if nothing is done?
Think there has been down turn since not on long weekend
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Errrrrrrrrrr my head hurts, I think I might retire from politics now! :'( :'(
Between the elections and VMX, my head is exploding! :'( :'(
All the best lads, I do hope it's all sorted for next year ;D ;D
Lots of love
Me
My head hurts too, goodbye, to the blind leading the blind.
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as a small sponsor of CD over the past few years, "and I mean small", also a business owner, I have nothing but respect for anyone, who's able to stand up and say, we just cant make it happen on current forecast of riders. Tough call I say. No solution required, lets try for next year.
and anybody who's not happy with that, I sell concrete, so you can have a free sample to harden the F--K-up.
Cheers Worms
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Another way It could be looked at is that the event has always been a promotion primarily for VMX magazine, bearing in mind how profitable the event has been in recent years based on record breaking attendances, you have to wonder why the event should be cancelled at such late notice specially when there were overseas visitors committed to attending, the carry over profits from the previous few years in particular you think should have been able to off set a year that was not as profitable and certainly would have been valuable goodwill to the VMX community and all that had committed themselves and there money to go this year as John O said this event should not have been cancelled, to run it would have been giving back to the market place that the business of the magazine thrives off ? this will impact future CD's so the downward spiral could begin until it is a memory,just sayin
#8
Number 8, you truly have a chip on your shoulder don't you? ::)
Here is the reality.
No Classic Dirt has been nearly as profitable as you seem to think and continue to post on OzVMX. There is a perception that you continue to try to perpetuate is that we are fat cats ripping off the Classic Dirt punters. Nothing could be further from the truth in fact. Carry over profits? Don't make me laugh. Yes, we made small GROSS profits on the last few CDs, but when the time and effort that is expended in organising them is taken into account, I doubt our hourly rate would be any better than 16 year olds working at McDonalds. :o
The reality also is that running VMX magazine is not in any way lucrative and what small profits we have made in the past years have effectively subsidised the VMX Magazine business. If you are offended that we are trying to make a living, good luck to you. Just bear in mind that no other Vintage Dirt Bike magazine which isn't part of a big publishing group has survived in the last 3 years... then you may realise where we are coming from.
You really need to try and be a little more positive, not continually try to shoot anyone who is supporting the VMX scene down. It's people like you who are killing this sport. >:(
No "Chip", No "perpetuating" or insinuating that you are "ripping off the Classic Dirt punters", No I'm not offended that you and your partners are making a living, The work expended is like all businesses and part of the big picture, the "goodwill from that event helps you sell your product through out the year I would imagine, and it has worked very well for you and the VMX community, The impact of cancelling will be determined by your paying customers in the future, No being "negative "you are completely on the wrong track there that wont fly, and No I don't think I am single handily "killing" this sport or the VMX scene, what could be interpreted here is your support has a price ,I may be wrong?
#8
I am happy to stand by my post. You have repeated insinuated or stated that you think CD has been very profitable, and yet you have no basis for your assertions. As I stated, CD has made some money, but in fact the last 2 years were the least of all.
And I didn't say you were single handedly killing the sport, merely that you are one of those who is not helping.
As I said before, your perceptions about the viability of the magazine business are fanciful as best.
The words you are putting in this thread appear to be contradictory and designed to justify a bad decision for the supporters of CD, you attacking me further supports that, my thread ended with a "just sayin", You claim that the event has not been "that" profitable but the reason it is being cancelled this year is it wont be "profitable" as you are aware I do have a bit of insight it to what has been generated income wise in the past in particularly from the Conondale CD's so Yes there is a basis to the assertion,
What you have written is "You really need to try and be a little more positive, not continually try to shoot anyone who is supporting the VMX scene down" & "It's people like you who are killing this sport", an outrageous statement like that can only be attributed to your lack of knowledge/history and your sensitivity and the dilemma that the CD patrons have been left in by cancelling the event,
Furthermore attacking me on the perceptions about the viability of the magazine business, does not change anything I have no "fanciful" perceptions at all of your business,
The real point hear is that there are lot of VMX people that committed to this event financially, they have been effected by this 11th hour decision,
What would have been really impressive and shown a level of goodwill towards CD patrons that could not be doubted is that the numbers are down but the show will go on, and make that show fit a revised budget especially when your so late in announcing the cancelation,
I truly hope that the event is not irreparably damaged due to this cancellation.
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anybody who's not happy with that, I sell concrete, so you can have a free sample to harden the F--K-up
Says it all really You're so wise Wormy .....;D ;D ;D.
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I go away to the docs for a couple of hours and this thread goes-off LOL
Dare I bring up my suggestion of Winton (Vic) Raceway and AASA again, although I don't see a 'private promoter' getting out of it any easier but Winton MX Club could, Winton has a perfect venue, AASA has the cheap insurance cover, northern Victoria weather aint always bad.
I feel in the interest & future of the sport these type of events should be 'up to 2000' models. There are many enthusiast in the later year categories that deserve to join us.
I'm not interested in events in Qld, vmx riders have many great days-out up there, you don't need a Classic Dirt or Bonanza, every event you guys run up there seems virtually as good already.
It makes sense to run something in NSW, Vic has the Bonanza, another event down here may detract from it. But I'd be happier going to an event that is just MX up to 2000, yes I still like checking-out the other deciplines at the Bonanza but I think it getting too big & disorganized.
Maybe a couple of tracks could be marked-out at Wakefield Park with AASA insurance? If anyone wants me to make inquiries I'm happy to.
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Another way It could be looked at is that the event has always been a promotion primarily for VMX magazine, bearing in mind how profitable the event has been in recent years based on record breaking attendances, you have to wonder why the event should be cancelled at such late notice specially when there were overseas visitors committed to attending, the carry over profits from the previous few years in particular you think should have been able to off set a year that was not as profitable and certainly would have been valuable goodwill to the VMX community and all that had committed themselves and there money to go this year as John O said this event should not have been cancelled, to run it would have been giving back to the market place that the business of the magazine thrives off ? this will impact future CD's so the downward spiral could begin until it is a memory,just sayin
#8
Number 8, you truly have a chip on your shoulder don't you? ::)
Here is the reality.
No Classic Dirt has been nearly as profitable as you seem to think and continue to post on OzVMX. There is a perception that you continue to try to perpetuate is that we are fat cats ripping off the Classic Dirt punters. Nothing could be further from the truth in fact. Carry over profits? Don't make me laugh. Yes, we made small GROSS profits on the last few CDs, but when the time and effort that is expended in organising them is taken into account, I doubt our hourly rate would be any better than 16 year olds working at McDonalds. :o
The reality also is that running VMX magazine is not in any way lucrative and what small profits we have made in the past years have effectively subsidised the VMX Magazine business. If you are offended that we are trying to make a living, good luck to you. Just bear in mind that no other Vintage Dirt Bike magazine which isn't part of a big publishing group has survived in the last 3 years... then you may realise where we are coming from.
You really need to try and be a little more positive, not continually try to shoot anyone who is supporting the VMX scene down. It's people like you who are killing this sport. >:(
No "Chip", No "perpetuating" or insinuating that you are "ripping off the Classic Dirt punters", No I'm not offended that you and your partners are making a living, The work expended is like all businesses and part of the big picture, the "goodwill from that event helps you sell your product through out the year I would imagine, and it has worked very well for you and the VMX community, The impact of cancelling will be determined by your paying customers in the future, No being "negative "you are completely on the wrong track there that wont fly, and No I don't think I am single handily "killing" this sport or the VMX scene, what could be interpreted here is your support has a price ,I may be wrong?
#8
I am happy to stand by my post. You have repeated insinuated or stated that you think CD has been very profitable, and yet you have no basis for your assertions. As I stated, CD has made some money, but in fact the last 2 years were the least of all.
And I didn't say you were single handedly killing the sport, merely that you are one of those who is not helping.
As I said before, your perceptions about the viability of the magazine business are fanciful as best.
The words you are putting in this thread appear to be contradictory and designed to justify a bad decision for the supporters of CD, you attacking me further supports that, my thread ended with a "just sayin", You claim that the event has not been "that" profitable but the reason it is being cancelled this year is it wont be "profitable" as you are aware I do have a bit of insight it to what has been generated income wise in the past in particularly from the Conondale CD's so Yes there is a basis to the assertion,
What you have written is "You really need to try and be a little more positive, not continually try to shoot anyone who is supporting the VMX scene down" & "It's people like you who are killing this sport", an outrageous statement like that can only be attributed to your lack of knowledge/history and your sensitivity and the dilemma that the CD patrons have been left in by cancelling the event,
Furthermore attacking me on the perceptions about the viability of the magazine business, does not change anything I have no "fanciful" perceptions at all of your business,
The real point hear is that there are lot of VMX people that committed to this event financially, they have been effected by this 11th hour decision,
What would have been really impressive and shown a level of goodwill towards CD patrons that could not be doubted is that the numbers are down but the show will go on, and make that show fit a revised budget especially when your so late in announcing the cancelation,
I truly hope that the event is not irreparably damaged due to this cancellation.
#8
Mate, you had insight into the income of one of the Conondale events, but that insight does not take into account all costs incurred by a long shot. Your repeatedly implied view that we made huge profits at Conondale is just plain BS and VERY offensive. Sure, I wish we HAD made the sort of money that people in QLD were claiming that we made, sadly it was just heresay.
And of course, you have no idea whatsoever what it costs to run the event at Wallerawang. So you have no idea whether we can or cant afford to run it now.
Our decision to cancel was not taken lightly, as we had stated and we also have incurred losses already related to CD10. It a bad deal for sure, but you piping in claiming that we have some magic pudding to finance a loss making event just demonstrates how selfish you are.
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I have to say that I am bitterly disappointed with this outcome. I had to organise time off from work for myself and the missus, book and pay for Hunter Valley accommodation (needed to talk the missus into coming to CD with me) in the week before the event, paid my entry fee well in advance and planned a heap of stuff to drop off and pick up at the event. To cancel the accommodation now is going to cost me half of what I paid plus a $50 cancellation fee. To say that the state of the economy and lack of funds to pay a $40 entry fee for an event that is within a few hours of Sydney, has got to be a joke. We must really be dealing with the lower end of the socio-economic spectrum (or "bottom feeders", as I think Walter has described) if that is the case. I would happily paid two or three times the entry fee. Also to blame last years weather or not liking the track , has got to be piss poor excuses as well. It was going to cost me over $800 in fuel to drive the 5000km plus return trip from North Queensland, but I was more than happy to do that, as I did last year. I feel sorry from the NZers who have paid for flights. To read all the pissing and moaning on this forum when the CD events were held in Queensland, from southerners wanting to have it closer to their home, really leaves a sour taste in my mouth. When they get their wish, (and that goes for the nationals events as well) they don't support the events.
I am no way critical of the organisers or the good people from south of the border that I have met at the 8 Classic Dirt events that I have been to. But I feel that I am swimming against the tide and it is now highly unlikely that I will enter another event south of the Queensland border, except for maybe the Bike Bonanza. Maybe it is time for me to look another hobby, so I might dust off my old stand up Jet Skis and just go trail riding to get my motorcycling fix.
So Mr North Queenslander who thinks us lot from Sydney are bottom feeders. Obviously you know nothing about real estate. You are complaining about losing a couple of bucks in accommodation and a $50 cancellation fee. Mow some more lawns.
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Another way It could be looked at is that the event has always been a promotion primarily for VMX magazine, bearing in mind how profitable the event has been in recent years based on record breaking attendances, you have to wonder why the event should be cancelled at such late notice specially when there were overseas visitors committed to attending, the carry over profits from the previous few years in particular you think should have been able to off set a year that was not as profitable and certainly would have been valuable goodwill to the VMX community and all that had committed themselves and there money to go this year as John O said this event should not have been cancelled, to run it would have been giving back to the market place that the business of the magazine thrives off ? this will impact future CD's so the downward spiral could begin until it is a memory,just sayin
#8
Number 8, you truly have a chip on your shoulder don't you? ::)
Here is the reality.
No Classic Dirt has been nearly as profitable as you seem to think and continue to post on OzVMX. There is a perception that you continue to try to perpetuate is that we are fat cats ripping off the Classic Dirt punters. Nothing could be further from the truth in fact. Carry over profits? Don't make me laugh. Yes, we made small GROSS profits on the last few CDs, but when the time and effort that is expended in organising them is taken into account, I doubt our hourly rate would be any better than 16 year olds working at McDonalds. :o
The reality also is that running VMX magazine is not in any way lucrative and what small profits we have made in the past years have effectively subsidised the VMX Magazine business. If you are offended that we are trying to make a living, good luck to you. Just bear in mind that no other Vintage Dirt Bike magazine which isn't part of a big publishing group has survived in the last 3 years... then you may realise where we are coming from.
You really need to try and be a little more positive, not continually try to shoot anyone who is supporting the VMX scene down. It's people like you who are killing this sport. >:(
No "Chip", No "perpetuating" or insinuating that you are "ripping off the Classic Dirt punters", No I'm not offended that you and your partners are making a living, The work expended is like all businesses and part of the big picture, the "goodwill from that event helps you sell your product through out the year I would imagine, and it has worked very well for you and the VMX community, The impact of cancelling will be determined by your paying customers in the future, No being "negative "you are completely on the wrong track there that wont fly, and No I don't think I am single handily "killing" this sport or the VMX scene, what could be interpreted here is your support has a price ,I may be wrong?
#8
I am happy to stand by my post. You have repeated insinuated or stated that you think CD has been very profitable, and yet you have no basis for your assertions. As I stated, CD has made some money, but in fact the last 2 years were the least of all.
And I didn't say you were single handedly killing the sport, merely that you are one of those who is not helping.
As I said before, your perceptions about the viability of the magazine business are fanciful as best.
The words you are putting in this thread appear to be contradictory and designed to justify a bad decision for the supporters of CD, you attacking me further supports that, my thread ended with a "just sayin", You claim that the event has not been "that" profitable but the reason it is being cancelled this year is it wont be "profitable" as you are aware I do have a bit of insight it to what has been generated income wise in the past in particularly from the Conondale CD's so Yes there is a basis to the assertion,
What you have written is "You really need to try and be a little more positive, not continually try to shoot anyone who is supporting the VMX scene down" & "It's people like you who are killing this sport", an outrageous statement like that can only be attributed to your lack of knowledge/history and your sensitivity and the dilemma that the CD patrons have been left in by cancelling the event,
Furthermore attacking me on the perceptions about the viability of the magazine business, does not change anything I have no "fanciful" perceptions at all of your business,
The real point hear is that there are lot of VMX people that committed to this event financially, they have been effected by this 11th hour decision,
What would have been really impressive and shown a level of goodwill towards CD patrons that could not be doubted is that the numbers are down but the show will go on, and make that show fit a revised budget especially when your so late in announcing the cancelation,
I truly hope that the event is not irreparably damaged due to this cancellation.
#8
Mate, you had insight into the income of one of the Conondale events, but that insight does not take into account all costs incurred by a long shot. Your repeatedly implied view that we made huge profits at Conondale is just plain BS and VERY offensive. Sure, I wish we HAD made the sort of money that people in QLD were claiming that we made, sadly it was just heresay.
And of course, you have no idea whatsoever what it costs to run the event at Wallerawang. So you have no idea whether we can or cant afford to run it now.
Our decision to cancel was not taken lightly, as we had stated and we also have incurred losses already related to CD10. It a bad deal for sure, but you piping in claiming that we have some magic pudding to finance a loss making event just demonstrates how selfish you are.
This is nothing more than a desperate rant now once again personal attacks on myself kind of reveal the situation more than anything else you have offered up as justification,
Lets see the definition of selfish,
Selfishness is placing concern with oneself or one's own interests above the well-being or interests of others.
Any how ,Good luck that's all from me
#8
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Another way It could be looked at is that the event has always been a promotion primarily for VMX magazine, bearing in mind how profitable the event has been in recent years based on record breaking attendances, you have to wonder why the event should be cancelled at such late notice specially when there were overseas visitors committed to attending, the carry over profits from the previous few years in particular you think should have been able to off set a year that was not as profitable and certainly would have been valuable goodwill to the VMX community and all that had committed themselves and there money to go this year as John O said this event should not have been cancelled, to run it would have been giving back to the market place that the business of the magazine thrives off ? this will impact future CD's so the downward spiral could begin until it is a memory,just sayin
#8
Number 8, you truly have a chip on your shoulder don't you? ::)
Here is the reality.
No Classic Dirt has been nearly as profitable as you seem to think and continue to post on OzVMX. There is a perception that you continue to try to perpetuate is that we are fat cats ripping off the Classic Dirt punters. Nothing could be further from the truth in fact. Carry over profits? Don't make me laugh. Yes, we made small GROSS profits on the last few CDs, but when the time and effort that is expended in organising them is taken into account, I doubt our hourly rate would be any better than 16 year olds working at McDonalds. :o
The reality also is that running VMX magazine is not in any way lucrative and what small profits we have made in the past years have effectively subsidised the VMX Magazine business. If you are offended that we are trying to make a living, good luck to you. Just bear in mind that no other Vintage Dirt Bike magazine which isn't part of a big publishing group has survived in the last 3 years... then you may realise where we are coming from.
You really need to try and be a little more positive, not continually try to shoot anyone who is supporting the VMX scene down. It's people like you who are killing this sport. >:(
No "Chip", No "perpetuating" or insinuating that you are "ripping off the Classic Dirt punters", No I'm not offended that you and your partners are making a living, The work expended is like all businesses and part of the big picture, the "goodwill from that event helps you sell your product through out the year I would imagine, and it has worked very well for you and the VMX community, The impact of cancelling will be determined by your paying customers in the future, No being "negative "you are completely on the wrong track there that wont fly, and No I don't think I am single handily "killing" this sport or the VMX scene, what could be interpreted here is your support has a price ,I may be wrong?
#8
I am happy to stand by my post. You have repeated insinuated or stated that you think CD has been very profitable, and yet you have no basis for your assertions. As I stated, CD has made some money, but in fact the last 2 years were the least of all.
And I didn't say you were single handedly killing the sport, merely that you are one of those who is not helping.
As I said before, your perceptions about the viability of the magazine business are fanciful as best.
The words you are putting in this thread appear to be contradictory and designed to justify a bad decision for the supporters of CD, you attacking me further supports that, my thread ended with a "just sayin", You claim that the event has not been "that" profitable but the reason it is being cancelled this year is it wont be "profitable" as you are aware I do have a bit of insight it to what has been generated income wise in the past in particularly from the Conondale CD's so Yes there is a basis to the assertion,
What you have written is "You really need to try and be a little more positive, not continually try to shoot anyone who is supporting the VMX scene down" & "It's people like you who are killing this sport", an outrageous statement like that can only be attributed to your lack of knowledge/history and your sensitivity and the dilemma that the CD patrons have been left in by cancelling the event,
Furthermore attacking me on the perceptions about the viability of the magazine business, does not change anything I have no "fanciful" perceptions at all of your business,
The real point hear is that there are lot of VMX people that committed to this event financially, they have been effected by this 11th hour decision,
What would have been really impressive and shown a level of goodwill towards CD patrons that could not be doubted is that the numbers are down but the show will go on, and make that show fit a revised budget especially when your so late in announcing the cancelation,
I truly hope that the event is not irreparably damaged due to this cancellation.
#8
Mate, you had insight into the income of one of the Conondale events, but that insight does not take into account all costs incurred by a long shot. Your repeatedly implied view that we made huge profits at Conondale is just plain BS and VERY offensive. Sure, I wish we HAD made the sort of money that people in QLD were claiming that we made, sadly it was just heresay.
And of course, you have no idea whatsoever what it costs to run the event at Wallerawang. So you have no idea whether we can or cant afford to run it now.
Our decision to cancel was not taken lightly, as we had stated and we also have incurred losses already related to CD10. It a bad deal for sure, but you piping in claiming that we have some magic pudding to finance a loss making event just demonstrates how selfish you are.
This is nothing more than a desperate rant now once again personal attacks on myself kind of reveal the situation more than anything else you have offered up as justification,
Lets see the definition of selfish,
Selfishness is placing concern with oneself or one's own interests above the well-being or interests of others.
Any how ,Good luck that's all from me
#8
Anything you say. ::)
Good definition by the way. Exactly what I thought it meant. ;)
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So Mr North Queenslander who thinks us lot from Sydney are bottom feeders. Obviously you know nothing about real estate. You are complaining about losing a couple of bucks in accommodation and a $50 cancellation fee. Mow some more lawns.
Ted, I was actually including you in the list of good people from the south, that I have met at a Classic Dirt event. I thought that your bikes were of a very high standard too, by the way. What has real estate got to do with it ? I have some, so I know a bit about it, but I wouldn't think of myself as being wealthy. Things must be really crook with real estate in NSW though, if people can't afford a couple of hundred bucks for a once a year iconic vintage dirt bike fun weekend. As for mowing lawns (?), I work in a coal mine and if you had read the news lately, the industry is in a downturn. I work extremely long hours away from home on a lot less money than I was on 12 months ago, but I am still prepared to spend money on things that I am passionate about.
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As with most events that are cancelled the blame is always pionted at the organisers, the date, the venue etc when the sole reason for most events, be it VMX, motorcycling in general or most other non mc events the real reason is simply lack of patronage.
As an event organiser, a swap meet, that I ran succesfully on my own for 10 years I can fully comprehend why events get cancelled.
My little baby struck 2 years in a row from rain affected grounds, it went ahead but the mojority of the punters decided to stay away as they thought it would be off.
After taking a hit of a couple of k each time, which I squirrelled away for that rainy day, enough was enough.
The next year everyone calls up whining that the swap isn't on, why, because they failed to support the event and now its over.
Cancellation is the last thing any organiser or club wants to go thru but in the end one has to look after ones best interests.
If you think it sucks then pull out the cash and take a punt, underwrite it, I can guarantee nobody will knock you back.
If you think you can do a better job, get to work, find a venue, buy some insurance, get some advertising happening,get a good phone deal and saddle up for a shit load of dumb enquiries,dumb advise, sleepless nights and who knows you might just pull it off. ???
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So Mr North Queenslander who thinks us lot from Sydney are bottom feeders. Obviously you know nothing about real estate. You are complaining about losing a couple of bucks in accommodation and a $50 cancellation fee. Mow some more lawns.
Ted, I was actually including you in the list of good people from the south, that I have met at a Classic Dirt event. I thought that your bikes were of a very high standard too, by the way. What has real estate got to do with it ? I have some, so I know a bit about it, but I wouldn't think of myself as being wealthy. Things must be really crook with real estate in NSW though, if people can't afford a couple of hundred bucks for a once a year iconic vintage dirt bike fun weekend. As for mowing lawns (?), I work in a coal mine and if you had read the news lately, the industry is in a downturn. I work extremely long hours away from home on a lot less money than I was on 12 months ago, but I am still prepared to spend money on things that I am passionate about.
I am sorry for writing that, I do apologise
This NSW bashing is bullshit and way off the mark. Money and passion have nothing to do with these events falling over. Unlike other states, NSW people will not attend the opening of an envelope. Unfortunately once a NSWelshman has been there and done that they seem to move on to the next thing. It's always been that way. Not good but that is how it is.
Anyways all is not lost. There is plans in motion for a ride over this weekend. Should be announced in a couple of days. Good on ya HEAVEN VMX.
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Ok guys its announced. Who wants to ride MX, grass track and Vinduro on the CD weekend at Buladelah. Three hours north of Sydney. Check out the Vinduro section on this forum
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Anyways all is not lost. There is plans in motion for a ride over this weekend. Should be announced in a couple of days. Good on ya HEAVEN VMX.
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Good news!
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If i was in the position that i had to to pick a group of men that i would like to stand with i would be proud to have Ken and Alistair in that group.
If was going to invest my hard earned in a VMX event it would their event.
You must applaud people who take the commercial business risks ,who make sound commercial decisions and dont go ahead and do things half assed. You want half a VMX mag. , you want to climb half a mountain , swim half the channel , good men dont do things in half measures , and good men dont shout men down who make sound judgements based on good data.
Kid yourself not #8 , these men may have a commercial interest in the magazine , but they have a passion second to not many men i have met for the VMX scene.
So pull your head in.
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I am sorry for writing that, I do apologise
This NSW bashing is bullshit and way off the mark. Money and passion have nothing to do with these events falling over. Unlike other states, NSW people will not attend the opening of an envelope. Unfortunately once a NSWelshman has been there and done that they seem to move on to the next thing. It's always been that way. Not good but that is how it is.
Anyways all is not lost. There is plans in motion for a ride over this weekend. Should be announced in a couple of days. Good on ya HEAVEN VMX.
Apology accepted Ted. I think it was you that I had a chat to about an immaculate '83 KX500 at a Conondale CD, which I was interested in because I had one of those brand new back in the day (and I thought that you were a good bloke). Anyway , I am all ears about a vintage bike ride on that weekend , because seeing that the holiday is booked, I was thinking of still going down to the Hunter Valley anyway.
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If i was in the position that i had to to pick a group of men that i would like to stand with i would be proud to have Ken and Alistair in that group.
If was going to invest my hard earned in a VMX event it would their event.
You must applaud people who take the commercial business risks ,who make sound commercial decisions and dont go ahead and do things half assed. You want half a VMX mag. , you want to climb half a mountain , swim half the channel , good men dont do things in half measures , and good men dont shout men down who make sound judgements based on good data.
Kid yourself not #8 , these men may have a commercial interest in the magazine , but they have a passion second to not many men i have met for the VMX scene.
So pull your head in.
HVA,
Your entitled to your opinion, with out question as I am mine ,having been in the middle of a previous CD negotiation with the VMX people I have had some insight into what transpired so what I have based my opinion on has some substance, so unless your there accountant maybe you should "pull your head in"
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I am sorry for writing that, I do apologise
This NSW bashing is bullshit and way off the mark. Money and passion have nothing to do with these events falling over. Unlike other states, NSW people will not attend the opening of an envelope. Unfortunately once a NSWelshman has been there and done that they seem to move on to the next thing. It's always been that way. Not good but that is how it is.
Anyways all is not lost. There is plans in motion for a ride over this weekend. Should be announced in a couple of days. Good on ya HEAVEN VMX.
Apology accepted Ted. I think it was you that I had a chat to about an immaculate '83 KX500 at a Conondale CD, which I was interested in because I had one of those brand new back in the day (and I thought that you were a good bloke). Anyway , I am all ears about a vintage bike ride on that weekend , because seeing that the holiday is booked, I was thinking of still going down to the Hunter Valley anyway.
Buladelah is one hour from the Hunter Valley. See ya there
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Ok guys its announced. Who wants to ride MX, grass track and Vinduro on the CD weekend at Buladelah. Three hours north of Sydney. Check out the Vinduro section on this forum
How good is that! A silver lining! What a club!
I have two weeks off! Was going to do the round CD trip hang with friends in the Blue mountains, then CD, then a mate's sheep station at Wellington. I guess they will be getting cancellation phone calls now. Whoo Hoo!
Hey Bazza, can't put you up, but I can pick you up in luxury from Sydney airport and get you back there!
Hell I will even let ya drive if ya promise not to crash into anything ::)
And I have heaps of spare new helmets, riding gear etc, what size are you. you can have my XR500, MC125 74.5gp or 81 mega 250 or an ER185 ;D May have some others screaming by then as well!
And I am sure you will have some other Kiwis to sing Kumbaya with!
No point wasting them plane tickets mate!
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Actually #8
As a significant corporate sponsor of the CD format for the time the team have had the mag. and running their Classic Dirt events we have a very good understanding of the set up and running costs , but most most importantly the logistics involved . so kid yourself fella . "You no nothing"
So again , pull your head in
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OK everyone, this thread went seriously to the pack. So, we're disappointed but it's what it is. Looks like there is an alternative and of course CD10 will be back next year. As always, the facts get slanted depending on who's telling the story and it doesn't really help to go any further over-analysing and casting blame.
So, it's now locked and will be dropped as a sticky. Bring on the rest of the year and hopefully a better 2014.
And for anyone who's up for some Vinduro fun on the ex-CS10 weekend, HEAVEN will host an event at Buladelah. How cool is that? Find out more here;
http://forum.ozvmx.com/index.php?topic=30951