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Marketplace => eBay Finds => Topic started by: mainline on February 22, 2013, 06:45:12 am
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http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/moore-creek/motorcycles/honda-cr125-1987/1014296687
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Thats really nice! Dunno bout the price though. Good luck to him if he gets what hes asking.
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i think the price is excellent considering how much it would cost to restore one of these. i challenge anyone to build one of same quality for less.
its just a shitty market
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What a project cost to build, and what $ it will sell for are almost always two very different figures. Most nice 125's are being offered for much less than $3k at the moment. I wish the bloke good luck with the sale, but the bike is overpriced.
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What a project cost to build, and what $ it will sell for are almost always two very different figures. Most nice 125's are being offered for much less than $3k at the moment. I wish the bloke good luck with the sale, but the bike is overpriced.
Yep.
I'd pay $3k for that bike if it was as good as it looks on first glance.
But when you look closer, you see the frame isn't the right colour, the engine bolts are all painted over, the pipe's dented, its got cheap steel handlebars and a number of other little things wrong (rear brake return spring, crappy front tyre, etc). For $3k, you'd put up with a few of those things, but not all of them.
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I believe the one im doing at the moment will surpass this one & I wont be asking 3K for it....Maybe I should?
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i think the price is excellent considering how much it would cost to restore one of these. i challenge anyone to build one of same quality for less.
its just a shitty market
Agreed. You know Alan, there are restorations and then there are ozvmx forum ground up restorations for 2K total
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i think the price is excellent considering how much it would cost to restore one of these. i challenge anyone to build one of same quality for less.
its just a shitty market
Agreed. You know Alan, there are restorations and then there are ozvmx forum ground up restorations for 2K total
One mans ready to race bike is another mans junk...
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i think the price is excellent considering how much it would cost to restore one of these. i challenge anyone to build one of same quality for less.
its just a shitty market
Agreed. You know Alan, there are restorations and then there are ozvmx forum ground up restorations for 2K total
i think the price is excellent considering how much it would cost to restore one of these. i challenge anyone to build one of same quality for less.
its just a shitty market
Agreed. You know Alan, there are restorations and then there are ozvmx forum ground up restorations for 2K total
One mans ready to race bike is another mans junk...
Easily under $3000 inc purchase price. Absolutely everything rebuilt from top to bottom
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/mainline_bucket/Imgp1563sm.jpg)
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How much did you get for it the second time round? ;D
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How much did you get for it the second time round? ;D
different bike, you need to pay attention
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/mainline_bucket/IMGP1282.jpg)
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i think the price is excellent considering how much it would cost to restore one of these. i challenge anyone to build one of same quality for less.
its just a shitty market
Agreed. You know Alan, there are restorations and then there are ozvmx forum ground up restorations for 2K total
i think the price is excellent considering how much it would cost to restore one of these. i challenge anyone to build one of same quality for less.
its just a shitty market
Agreed. You know Alan, there are restorations and then there are ozvmx forum ground up restorations for 2K total
One mans ready to race bike is another mans junk...
Easily under $3000 inc purchase price. Absolutely everything rebuilt from top to bottom
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/mainline_bucket/Imgp1563sm.jpg)
Any chance of breaking that down, including purchase price? * I'm genuinely interested.*
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Of course, silly me. The milk crate is different :o
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Any chance of breaking that down, including purchase price?
it's a couple of years now, but..
$400 bike purchase
$300 machine work
$300 bearings and seals
$200 tyres/tubes
$140 rebuild shock
$100 plastics
$200 bars/levers/throttle/grips
$200 chain sprockets
$70 rod kit
$100 piston kit
$100 cables
$40 paint
$100 decals
$100 spokes
$100 kickstart assembly
$100 airbox boot
I painted everything myself, relaced the wheels myself after polishing the rims, rebuilt the engine with guidance from Vandy, and made a muffler from scratch.
I realise YZ125's are relatively cheap to restore, but I reckon you could more than double this figure if you just went and ordered everything from the one place without shopping around and then had someone else do all the rebuild work for you.
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Some of those prices are cheap. Are the spokes from China? I have to pay $350 for a set of stainless spokes. A lot more for a full set of plastics. Number boards cost me $100-120. Did you do the number boards yourself? Did you also paint the tank yourself? I couldn't paint a tank and make it look good. It would look more like it was painted with a mop! Seat foam and base? Forks? Original carby? Brake shoes? Swingarm bushes, air filter? I'm helping a friend do his kx250a5 and he will have to spend lots more than that. It will be the first bike I will keep tabs on what has to be spent. Mind you this is where I get the "one mans race ready, another man's junk" call from. This was a rider but everything is stuffed. From broken frame in multiple places to welded sprocket and gear lever.
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I'll take 4 sets of plastics for a 465 . I'll send you 400 tomorrow Paul
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I realise YZ125's are relatively cheap to restore, but I reckon you could more than double this figure if you just went and ordered everything from the one place without shopping around and then had someone else do all the rebuild work for you.
That's the part that makes a huge difference IMHO. As soon as you have to get someone else to do something labour starts killing you. If you spend the time you can find cheaper parts. And you have to not get carried away with buying NOS parts ::)
Both those bikes are very nice restos and a credit to you. They look as good or better in the flesh - and they both go very well (after you fix the kill switch ;D ;D)
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Some of those prices are cheap. Are the spokes from China? I have to pay $350 for a set of stainless spokes. A lot more for a full set of plastics. Number boards cost me $100-120. Did you do the number boards yourself? Did you also paint the tank yourself? I couldn't paint a tank and make it look good. It would look more like it was painted with a mop! Seat foam and base? Forks? Original carby? Brake shoes? Swingarm bushes, air filter? I'm helping a friend do his kx250a5 and he will have to spend lots more than that. It will be the first bike I will keep tabs on what has to be spent. Mind you this is where I get the "one mans race ready, another man's junk" call from. This was a rider but everything is stuffed. From broken frame in multiple places to welded sprocket and gear lever.
As i mentioned earlier I painted everything myself. The spokes are DID from Japan and zinc not stainless, I can live with that. Seat was mentioned in my list, original carby was swapped with vandy for another that was cleaned up and ready to go. Swingarm bushes for these things are fibre and cheap as chips. Fork chrome was fine, rebuilt them myself.
At the end of the day you could probably add $200 onto the list for small parts I've forgotton, but I also sold a heap of extra bits for about $150 after it was finished.
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I'll take 4 sets of plastics for a 465 . I'll send you 400 tomorrow Paul
if you read my previous post Ted, you would see I acknowledged that this bike is one that is relatively cheaper than other models to rebuild. The front guard is a $30 repo from the UK, the rear is a $30 MCS universal. The side plates are S/H yellow 'X' items that I painted. $50 for the front plate.
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I realise YZ125's are relatively cheap to restore, but I reckon you could more than double this figure if you just went and ordered everything from the one place without shopping around and then had someone else do all the rebuild work for you.
That's the part that makes a huge difference IMHO. As soon as you have to get someone else to do something labour starts killing you. If you spend the time you can find cheaper parts. And you have to not get carried away with buying NOS parts ::)
Both those bikes are very nice restos and a credit to you. They look as good or better in the flesh - and they both go very well (after you fix the kill switch ;D ;D)
Very true on the NOS thing. I could have paid $50 each for NOS exhaust mount brackets only to have the 30 yr old rubber break as it has done to me in the past. I made alu brackets myself and shimmed them with rubber.
luckily the shop gave me a new killswitch to replace the dodge one
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Pays to shop locally for that kind of stuff...
Was good of them to replace it. Did they shout you a beer for the mental angst it caused ;D ;D
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I'm glad to know how it can be done. It seems the condition of the bike, what you are prepared to utilise and bike make all play a part. Things like being able to rebuild the shock you have is a big saving as opposed to buying a new set, same as what you did to your wheels. I personally have to go the stainless route with spokes. It would shit me to tears watching the spokes go dull over time. I still can't see the bloody seat in there. Am I blind or are you delusional? :D
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I still can't see the bloody seat in there. Am I blind or are you delusional? :D
it would appear that I am blind/delusional :D I had a trimmer I use at Chapel Hill redo the seat using the existing base for $120. He does/did good work really cheap, but was a pain to deal with. True, I 'settled' for re-using/refurbishing a lot of the old parts where I could. I knew the bike would be raced, so shiny new rims for example, were a cost I just couldn't justify. The tank now looks very S/H, modern boots and knee braces did a good job on it.
and yes, the condition of the bike you start with plays a big part in the end cost, but it wasn't very pretty to begin with
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/mainline_bucket/X2.jpg)
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Did you sand the forks?
Patience also works when you are wanting to save money. I used the original rims on my Ossa but paid someone to polish them for $140 rather than spend the majority of a day doing it myself (lazy=money). Then got stainless spokes.
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Did you sand the forks?
Patience also works when you are wanting to save money. I used the original rims on my Ossa but paid someone to polish them for $140 rather than spend the majority of a day doing it myself (lazy=money). Then got stainless spokes.
The forks that are in the 'before' picture got swapped for some 125x forks with conventional springs instead of the air cap setup. Apparently the original lowers are quite popular so I had a couple of people chasing them.
I did sand and polish the 'X' lowers myself. It only took about 4 or so beers
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Did you sand the forks?
Patience also works when you are wanting to save money. I used the original rims on my Ossa but paid someone to polish them for $140 rather than spend the majority of a day doing it myself (lazy=money). Then got stainless spokes.
I reckon you farm out what you cannot do due to lack of workshop/tools etc and go to work and do what you do best.
i am sure you earn more than $140 a day brad so i reckon that was money well spent and you still didn't eat into your free time
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Did you sand the forks?
Patience also works when you are wanting to save money. I used the original rims on my Ossa but paid someone to polish them for $140 rather than spend the majority of a day doing it myself (lazy=money). Then got stainless spokes.
I reckon you farm out what you cannot do due to lack of workshop/tools etc and go to work and do what you do best.
i am sure you earn more than $140 a day brad so i reckon that was money well spent and you still didn't eat into your free time
Don't discount the satisfaction you get from resurrecting some tired old part, nor the mental health aspect of some time alone in the shed
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i think the price is excellent considering how much it would cost to restore one of these. i challenge anyone to build one of same quality for less.
its just a shitty market
Shitty market or not, anyone who can't build one better for $3000, needs to take up knitting.
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i think the price is excellent considering how much it would cost to restore one of these. i challenge anyone to build one of same quality for less.
its just a shitty market
Shitty market or not, anyone who can't build one better for $3000, needs to take up knitting.
I'm helping a friend do up a kx250a5 but it's no budget bike. He wants it all done and she's pretty sad now it's been stripped and inspected. Yet it looked ridable and was ridden the way it was. To restore a bike for that sort of money there still has to be a few compromises,but I will say that what Paul has done for the money and obviously more time to offset the money spent has been a bit of an eye opener. Saying that, there are quite a number of bikes that will cost you more (I'm talking mainstream bikes, not exotica ) than others.
I'd say Yamaha's are cheap 'cause no body want's them! :D :D
So, how about that cr125... ::)
This has got to be the worst thread highjack EVER!
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The costs only really blow out when you get caught with a maxed-out barrel (etc) or you start paying other people for big stuff.
Most motors can be fully rebuilt for under $1k - that's a new bore, rod kit, bearings and seals, and any other little bits and pieces they might need.
Plastics kits with seat cover are typically $500ish, for everything but the tank (which can usually be restored).
Wheels end up around $500 for spoke kits, bearings, and new tyres (assuming you've got/can find decent rims).
Shock and fork rebuild is about $300 total if you can avoid rechroming.
$200 for decent chain and sprockets.
$150 for new alloy bars, levers, grips.
$400 for a new pipe and muffler.
$500 for the other bits and pieces, like linkage kits, bolts, maybe some Chinese radiators.
$200 for paint (assuming DIY).
What's missing from the list? The total is closer to $4k than 3, but will also give you a considerably better bike than the CR125 in question... The converse point is that old mate's CR doesn't have new tyres, good bars, a new pipe, etc.
It's easy to spend more (and I don't begrudge anyone who chooses to), but a lot of it comes down to choosing the right bike for your goals.
I sometimes wonder why people spend good money on clean original bikes, just to rip it apart and replace three quarters of it with NOS bits...
Similarly, a lot of it comes down to knowing what is still servicable. Replacing everything gives a warm fuzzy feeling inside, but (compared to making a proper judgement on the condition of the bits you have) can be a bloody expensive exercise for no real gain.
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Sorry for the thread hijack as well....
I am just rebuilding a 1988 RM 250J and heres the running $ total -lucky to have friends in the trades etc but I have also added a lot of unnecessary NOS parts -
Initial bike purchase and shipping from USA- NZD$2200
Full Engine rebuild (top end/bottom end, including three new gears and painting)- NZD$700.
Frame blasting and painting -NZD$150.
New tyres -NZD$200.
New cosmetics (all new plastics, graphics)- NZD$250.
New old stock pro circuit pipe and Answer silencer -NZD$300
Various NOS parts etc ie new brake hoses,brake pedal,master cylinder,swingarm chain buffers,new airbox,fork legs -NZD$700
New O ring Chain -NZD$120
Shock and forks serviced NZD$250.
Grand total NZD$4900 =AUD$3920 @0.81 FX.
I havent rebuilt wheels or had the swingarm polished which would be another NZD$1000.
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I love the '88 models! I reckon you might need a Boyesen Rad Valve LOL! ;)
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I love the '88 models! I reckon you might need a Boyesen Rad Valve LOL! ;)
Thanks me too!
I have my eye on one those ;)-I also put a flywheel weight on it because she will also become my trail bike.
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would be more your pace then Craigy ;D