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Clubroom => Competition => Topic started by: firko on January 24, 2013, 12:48:32 pm
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The City of Penrith Motorcycle Club has announced the following big series for 2013.
2013 Sydney Dirt Track Championship
Series Classes and Machine Eligibility
Senior
1/ Pro Lite - (Up to and including 125cc 2 stroke and up to 250cc 4 stroke, Non Slider Frame)
2/ Pro 450 - (Up to and including 250cc 2 stroke and up to 450cc 4 stroke, Non Slider Frame)
3/ Pro Unlimited (Any capacity, Any Frame solo)
4/ Formula 1 Sidecars (Sidecars up to 1100cc)
5/ Formula 2 Sidecars (Sidecars up to 550cc)
6/ Sliders (Slider Frame only, any capacity)
7/ Evolution 125cc/Pre 1970 (Up to 125cc, Any air cooled, drum brakes, non-link suspension and Pre 1970, Non Slider Frame)
8/ Evolution 250 (Up to 250cc any air cooled, drum brakes, non-link suspension, Non Slider Frame)
9/ Evolution Unlimited (Any capacity, any air cooled, drum brakes, non-link suspension, Non Slider Frame)
10/ Ladies (Any capacity, Any Frame)
11/ 40 Plus (Over 40 years of age at the 1st of January 2013, any capacity, any frame solo)
12/ Pre 1990 Thumpers (Any Capacity, Any Frame, Pre 1990 4 stroke solo)
13/ Pre 1990 Unlimited (Any Capacity, Pre 1990, Non Slider Frame solo)
14/ Stroker Unlimited (Any capacity, Any Frame, 2 Stroke solo)
Junior
15/ Junior 65 (up to 65cc 2 stroke and up to 80cc 4 stroke)
16/ Junior 85 (up to 85cc 2 stroke and up to 150cc 4 stroke)
17/ Junior Slider (Any Slider Frame)
18/ Junior Lite (up to 125cc 2 stroke and up to 250cc 4 stroke)
19/ Nippers (Non Competitive Demonstration)
Series Rules
The 2013 Sydney Dirt Track Championship Series will be held at Nepean Raceway on March 24th, June 16th and
September 15th.
City of Penrith Motorcycle Club is the Series Promoter.
Minimum Licence requirements are a current Motorcycling Australia Senior or Junior Club Licence. One Event
Licences are acceptable and can be purchased by way of pre entry.
Pre entry/nomination is mandatory.
Entry fees are payable at sign-on on Race day.
A minimum of six (6) solo and four (4) sidecar entries to constitute a class (At the discretion of the Promoter).
All classes are subject to confirmation by the Promoter after pre entry closing date.
All competitor entries are accepted at the discretion of the Promoter.
Competitors are permitted to change or substitute machinery after the commencement of racing only after
consultation with, and approval from the Clerk of Course .
Starting positions for all races except Finals and Consolations will be pre-determined.
Limited entries (grid positions) are available in each class at each race meeting.
Available grid positions will be filled on a “first in first served basis”.
Competitors must nominate a minimum of four (4) classes in order of preference to allow the Promoter to satisfy where possible the competitors preferred classes.
Available Grid Positions in each class are as follows:
Pro Lite, Pro 450, Pro Unlimited, Evolution 250,
Evolution Unlimited, Stroker Unlimited, Pre 90 Unlimited, 40 Plus 24 Grid Positions Per Class
Sliders, Pre 1990 Thumpers, Evolution 125/Pre 1970, Ladies, Junior 65, Junior 85, Junior Sliders, Junior Lite 12 Starting Positions Per Class
Formula 1 Sidecar,
Formula 2 Sidecar 6 Starting Positions Per Class
Entry Fees and Conditions
Senior solo competitors receive entry into two (2) classes at the cost of $70 and can utilize the same or two (2)
different machines in these classes. Additional classes will be at the additional cost of $10 per class.
Sidecar competitors receive entry into the applicable class or classes for the cost of $80. Sidecar competitors (rider
and passenger) can enter one (1) solo class on appropriate machinery at an additional cost of $20 with additional
solo classes at the cost of $10 per class.
Junior competitors receive entry into one (1) classes at the cost of $40 and can enter age appropriate additional
classes on appropriate machinery at the additional cost of $10 per class.
Series Points Scoring System
All races in all classes will be scored as per the following point system;
Place Points Place Points
1 25 13 12
2 23 14 11
3 22 15 10
4 21 16 9
5 20 17 8
6 19 18 7
7 18 19 6
8 17 20 5
9 16 21 4
10 15 22 3
11 14 23 2
12 13 24 1
All points scored by each competitor to accumulate over each Series Round to determine overall 2013 Sydney
Dirt Track Championship Series winners.
Qualification for Finals in the applicable classes (Pro Lite, Pro 450, Pro Unlimited, Evolution 250, Stroker, Pre 90 Unlimited, Evolution Unlimited and 40 Plus) as follows; Top point scoring half of the field after all Heats qualify for
the Finals, the remaining half of the field go through to the Consolation Race.
If a tie on points occurs for any position during a Race meeting the tying competitor who has the higher finishing position in the final race of the meeting will be awarded that position.
If a tie on points occurs for any position after the accumulation of points over the Series the tying competitor who
has the greatest number of higher places over the Series will be awarded the position.
Race Day Schedule
Event# - Round 1 Races
1/ Pro 450 Heat 1
2/ Pro 450 Heat 2
3/ Evolution 250 Heat 1
4/ Evolution 250 Heat 2
5/ Junior 65 Race 1
6/ Formula 2 Sidecars Race 1
7/ Stroker Heat 1
8/ Stroker Heat 2
9/ Sliders Race 1
10/ Junior 85 Race 1
11/ Evolution 125/Pre 1970 Race 1
12/ Junior Sliders Race 1
13/ Ladies Race 1
14/ Pre 90 Unlimited Heat 1
15/ Pre 90 Unlimited Heat 2
16/ Formula 1 Sidecar Race 1
17/ Evolution Unlimited Heat 1
18/ Evolution Unlimited Heat 2
19/ Junior Lite Race 1
20/ Pro Unlimited Heat 1
21/ Pro Unlimited Heat 2
22/ Junior 65 Race 2
23/ Formula 2 Sidecars Race 2
24/ Pro Lite Heat 1
25/ Pro Lite Heat 2
26/ Junior 85 Race 2
27/ 40 Plus Heat 1
28/ 40 Plus Heat 2
29/ Formula 1 Sidecar Race 2
30/ Junior Lite Race 2
31/ Pre 90 Thumpers Race 1
32/ Junior Sliders Race 2 Event# - Round 2
33/ Pro 450 Heat 3
34/ Pro 450 Heat 4
35/ Evolution 250 Heat 3
36/ Evolution 250 Heat 4
37/ Junior 65 Race 3
38/ Formula 2 Sidecars Race 3
39/ Stroker Heat 3
40/ Stroker Heat 4
41/ Sliders Race 2
42/ Junior 85 Race 3
43/ Evolution 125/Pre 1970 Race 2
44/ Junior Sliders Race 3
45/ Ladies Race 2
46/ Pre 90 Unlimited Heat 3
47/ Pre 90 Unlimited Heat 4
48/ Formula 1 Sidecar Race 3
49/ Evolution Unlimited Heat 3
50/ Evolution Unlimited Heat 4
51/ Junior Lite Race 3
52/ Pro Unlimited Heat 3
53/ Pro Unlimited Heat 4
54/ Junior 65 Race 4
55/ Formula 2 Sidecars Race 4
56/ Pro Lite Heat 3
57/ Pro Lite Heat 4
58/ Junior 85 Race 4
59/ 40 Plus Heat 3
60/ 40 Plus Heat 4
61/ Formula 1 Sidecar Race 4
62/ Junior Lite Race 4
63/ Pre 90 Thumpers Race 2
64/ Junior Sliders Race 4 Event# Round 3/Consolations/Finals
63/ Pro 450 Consolation
64/ Pro 450 Final
65/ Evolution 250 Consolation
66/ Evolution 250 Final
67/ Junior 65 Race 5
68/ Formula 2 Sidecars Race 5
69/ Stroker Consolation
70/ Stroker Final
71/ Sliders Race 3
72/ Junior 85 Race 5
73/ Evolution 125/Pre 1970 Race 3
74/ Junior Sliders Race 5
75/ Ladies Race 3
76/ Pre 90 Unlimited Consolation
77/ Pre 90 Unlimited Final
78/ Formula 1 Sidecar Race 5
79/ Evolution Unlimited Consolation
80/ Evolution Unlimited Final
81/ Junior Lite Race 5
82/ Pro Unlimited Consolation
83/ Pro Unlimited Final
84/ Junior 65 Race 6
85/ Formula 2 Sidecar Race 6
86/ Pro Lite Consolation
87/ Pro Lite Final
88/ Junior 85 Race 6
89/ 40 Plus Consolation
90/ 40 Plus Final
91/ Formula 1 Sidecar Race 6
92/ Junior Lite Race 6
93/ Pre 90 Thumpers Race 3
94/Junior Sliders Race 6
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This is an exciting development and shows that dirt track is definitely on the comeback trail. I reckon this series should be very successful.
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Thanks to Roy and the rest of the committee looks like a great series coming up!
cheers pancho.
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Maybe a good option to tie in for 2014 or even this year with the Pre65 series ran by Heaven VMX.
A NSW Pre65 Dirt Bike Series - 3 MX/grass track events & 2 or 3 Pre65 Dirt Track events? Would it be a goer?
Maybe let this excellent DT series settle in for 2013 and if the Heaven Pre65s series is successful maybe look at something for 2014? Could be a great thing and doesn't need extra or additional meetings.
Just food for thought :)
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I wish Penrith all the best with it, I reckon it'll be a great event. I'd like to see pre 75/78 chucked into the mix but understand that moderns are the main focus. I'd also be a happier spectator if I didn't have to sit through races for Nippers and Junior 65's. Their inclusion was the one thing that almost spoiled the Troy Bayliss Classic for me. I'd rather see veteran races than demo laps for bloody nippers but I'll probably get boo'd off the stage for even suggesting it. ::)
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Where is the Twins Classes????
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just been going through the new penrith format and i could realy do some damage to myself
2 bikes 1969 montesa 250 and long track 500 slider
8 rides per round x3 = 24 races for the day
its als first in best dressed as the most popular classes eg pro light pro450 pro unlim evo250 evo unlim pre90 unl 40plus only 24 grid positions for these races
ie if you dont pre enter early you wont get a spot.some classes only got 12 grids
24 grids =2 heats 12 grids =1 heat
dont pre enter dont turn up and expect to ride you wont
this should be good as they want to get through 94 races in a day
should be fun
slidie pit bitch were are you. hope you remember how to start a slider as it can enter 4 races per round
jim
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Pit bitch my arse, you're gunna be knackered Jimbo.
At first glance the changes look good to me but I'm sure there'll someone to complain, aint gunna be me cause I ant riding this year.
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I wish Penrith all the best with it, I reckon it'll be a great event. I'd like to see pre 75/78 chucked into the mix but understand that moderns are the main focus. I'd also be a happier spectator if I didn't have to sit through races for Nippers and Junior 65's. Their inclusion was the one thing that almost spoiled the Troy Bayliss Classic for me. I'd rather see veteran races than demo laps for bloody nippers but I'll probably get boo'd off the stage for even suggesting it. ::)
Re the nippers and juniors given they are not so exciting that is for sure but if you want to grow this great sport doesn't it start at grass roots junior level ?
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Hi all, it has been a while since i have had much to say . . . . a rarity some would say.
I hope all in the "old bike community" are well and that 2013 has started better than an old Maico (I just know i'll get a fork leg across the back of the head behind the Nepean shitters for that!!)
I would like to share and expand on the thought and reasoning behind the "New" classes, format and rules for 2013.
First some background.
After floating a truck load of concepts since 2010 to improve both Dirt Track and Nepean Raceway's profile with media coverage, commercial support (sponsorship) and at the same time not forgeting the importance of financial viability for the organising Club or Clubs AND the fact that riders need to enjoy racing and get value for money, I joined the Nepean District Motorsport Club commitee in 2012 in order to attemp to get these concepts "out of the gate and across the line" until about mid 2012 when i got sick and tired of the inaction, in-fighting, very selective communication, shit-canning of ANYTHING different and progressive and somewhat of a totalitarian mentality)
With the support of a few other motivated Penrith members some of these concepts morphed into the 2012 Sydney West Series and whilst certainly not anywhere near perfect certainly a stepping stone. This year we (City of Penrith) are attempting to take further steps to solidify Dirt Track as not only a brilliant branch of motorcycle racing from a the competitors and Club point of view but also one to be taken seriously by the Motorcycle Industry, the Media (both motorcycle and general) and the general public.
Now on to "New" classes, format and rules for 2013.
After substantial (F@#K%&G HOURS and HOURS WORTH) analysis of the class entries in the 2012 series it was evident that only 3 class consistantly had 2 to 3 grids of riders the remainder were generally under subscribed (less than 12) and plenty had less than half a grid. Add to this the fact that it was difficult and rare for the Club to get though the full program this analysis showed the classes needed some consolidation and serious tweaking. Another major issue for the Club has been delays or a slow start to the Race day given the processing of "on the day" entries.
These are the major problems to solve, mandatory pre-entry will go a long way to achieving this as without pre-entry the Race Secretary never or rarely knew what entries he or she had to deal with until after 9.30 on Race day, tweaking the classes will also make a huge difference. My target was to ensure that as a worst case senario an entry with only one motorcycle will get as a minimum, 6 races.
I think we have achieved this. . . following are a few examples.
Example - A Slider frame motorcycle is eligible for - Slider (3 races), Pro Unlimited (3 races) and if the rider is over 40 years old - 40 plus (3 races), as well as the Pre 1990 Thumpers (3 races), if the bike fit the age requirements. Not to mention the Stroker class (3 races) if it has a 2 stroke engine fitted.
Another example and to maybe answer the question from SON at the same timeWhere is the twins class? - There is not a Twins class as by the above mentioned analysis based on historical entries there has never been anywhere near enough entries to make a viable class but you can enter it in the following - Pro Unlimited, Pre 1990 Thumpers if it fits the age requirements and is a 4 stroke, Evolution Unlimited if it is air cooled, has drum brakes, non link suspension and it is NOT in a slider frame, Pre 1990 Unlimited if it is old enough and 40 Plus if you are old enough . . . . . . .
Yet another example regarding Pre 75 and Pre 78 - (By the way Firko I hope you are well and the health demons have pissed right off) Penrith "Club days" in recent years (at least as far back as 2008, my memory doesn't work past this point - too many fork legs to the back of the head!) have run capacity based "Classic" classes based around Evo Rules.
Soooooo in 2013 at the Sydney Dirt Track Championship meetings. . . If a motorcycle is air cooled, has drum brakes and non link suspension and is not a slider type frame it can enter the Evolution Classes irrespective if it was buit in 1980 something, 1977, 1974, 1956 or if Captain Cook wheeled it off the Endovour in 1770!
Just a note on capacities please note that the Class eligibility states "Up to" for all class. So an air cooled, drum braked, non link suspension 125cc bike is eligible for Evolution 125/Per 1970, Evolution 250 and Evolution Unlimited as well as rider age and engine type class if appropriate.
ETC ETC ETC - I hope this is helping explain eligibility . . . . .
There is a page missing from the original document on Firko's original post. This page outlines a race schedule that sheds further light on the Race Day events.
You will also note some changes to the name of some classes ie what used to be call Junior Sidecars will be called Formula 2 Sidecars . . . . . This is for reasons a/ far more marketable to potential sponsors or media and b/ in the case of the old Junior Sidecar class it differentiates from the "kids" classes.
This race series is, at the end of the day 3 "re-badged" club days run by volunteers under interclub permits (saves silly MA licence upgrade costs) and the atmosphere of track will remain laid back, fun and great value but there is absolutley no reason why we can't also have slick, organised, structured and promotable Race meetings that mean a more that 3 club days.
As Dick Mann said "anyone with 50 bucks and a good attitude can race" This ethos will apply!! On the note of cost the entry per race meeting has remained the same as 2012 even though the Nepean Raceway commitee has raised the track hire substantially and no longer preps the track for hiring Clubs. The extra $5 dollars for entry is so that competitors no longer pay at the gate, it is the same $5, its just that Nepean Race way now have the clubs collect the admission cost.
I could go on and on and on but it is late and my Wife and the cats have the shits, I simply wanted to shed light on some of the why's and maybe to alliviate some phone calls and miss-interpretaion, wispers and pisses and moans.
A lot of time has has been invested by the City of Penrith Club commitee to attempt to create a structure that will work for all. So if there are any questions please keep them nice, post away and i will respond.
Cheers all and keep the rubber end down no matter what you race or where you race it.
Number 87
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Number 87
Firstly let me say how much I like the word "IF" !
For it starts one of my favorite sayings " IF he could see the Forest not just the Trees".
Last night I spent a few hours at the MA Dirt Track Commissioners place going through my excitement for the sport following the success of the Troy meeting, I was there for 6 hours following an inspection of the improvements to Barleigh Ranch on the way up, I left at 7pm missing the main action to drive to Kurri to watch a couple of Dirt Track kids I have helped try and win some Australian Speedway Titles.
I did see enough to know that Mick was going to give it to them and that Tom Edwards, the kid that won the 65s and Mick helps out would love his day in the SUN.
Congratulations MAX CROKER Perfect score in the U16 350s at Kurri another Australian Speedway Champion out of Junior Dirttrack !
To me the best thing about the Troy meeting was the number of junior Dirttrackers that returned to the sport to give a little back to where they started and have a s#!t load of fun doing it !
the second best thing was the number of spectators that were there, Troy used his Star Power to get them there, it is now the responsibility of DIRTTRACK PROMOTERS to offer up events to keep them coming back.
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Dirttrack will always be here, it is the cheapest form of racing, where skill will always shine through, but it pi$$es me off that it gets virtually no assistance from the powers that be,
Be that MA, the Chiefs of the Motorcycle Distributors, or the Accessory Distributors.
I know because I have spoken to them about this on a regular basis,
I spent 15 minutes talking to the Marketing Manager of Harley about sponsoring the Big Twins only to be told they have no budget, he really had not listened because I had already told him I did not really want his money but I would take some if he had any,
I wanted his "Clients".
It really stopped him in his tracks,
Any one who has been to an AMA Flattrack Mile will know what I mean, the events are full of Harley, not Metric,
TO FIX DIRTRACK YOU NEED TO PUT SOME MONEY INTO IT !!!
TO DO THAT YOU NEED SPECTATORS !!!!
Paying to get in
Paying at the Canteen.
AND SPONSORS PAYING TO GET ACCESS TO YOUR SPECTATORS.
The MORE Spectators you get the more successful your event will be,
In fact at almost every motorcycle event I go to I count the crowd literally, I usually judge the events success on its ability to get people to it.
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Back to Harley, they are the number one selling Road Motorcycle yet their riders are virtually ignored by the racing promoters, target them and your event will be successful.
What do you know about Harley riders? Generally they like their motorcycles noisy, with some rumble !
Give them what they want ! Noisy Motorcycles with some Rumble ! GIVE THEM THE TWINS and THEY WILL COME !!!!!!!
Think outside the square because more of your customers live there !
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Last time I saw BIG TWINS in SYDNEY was at Bankstown, that was a little while ago.
Include the OLD SCHOOL and BIG TWINS into your SERIES I will get you the SPONSORS !!!
And 500 Extra SPECTATORS !!!
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montynut why not test the water at the charity weekend 1st weekend in august.
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Bayliss IS a legend in my mind, due to his willingness to leverage off his "Star Power" and give back to domestic motorcycle racing (one of the very few) . . . . I dearly hope that he has not been and never will be "touched up" . . . .
#87
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Has anyone ever thought to approach Deus ex Machina regarding sponsorship for dirt track? Their whole schtick revolves around old school dirt track as you can clearly see by a trip to their HQ or a browse of the websites. Like Son's attitude to Harley it's probably not going to get past the first cup of coffee if you're after big wads of cash but if you tell them you want their "brands involvement" by having bikes on display and even setting up a Pop Up Deus ex Machina Coffee and clothing shop in the spectator area. The initial involvement might not be huge but over time I reckon it'd be beneficial to the sport and Deus. http://deuscustoms.com/ (http://deuscustoms.com/)
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Pop up shops are a hard slog! People have to support those they want them to give them money by buying their stuff and spreding the word. So I am taking this opportunity to make a plug for ....
http://throttlegrip.bigcartel.com/
;D
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Yep, know the owner well, does not see racing as being able to provide a viable return on investment these days, no crowds, no media etc etc.
#87
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There is a page missing from the original document on Firko's original post. This page outlines a race schedule that sheds further light on the Race Day events.
I initially left out the race schedule portion of the release because of space issues but I've just added them to the post....(top of page).
Yet another example regarding Pre 75 and Pre 78 - (By the way Firko I hope you are well and the health demons have pissed right off) Penrith "Club days" in recent years (at least as far back as 2008, my memory doesn't work past this point - too many fork legs to the back of the head!) have run capacity based "Classic" classes based around Evo Rules.
I understand and have no problem with the regular pre 75/78 classes not being included. I know how much work goes into getting a concept as new as this off the ground and that something must always be sacrificed for the overall good of the event. The Charity meeting has been the Penrith clubs landmark classic meeting of the year so I'm happy to see that remain. In fact, I'd like to see the club pump up the meeting a bit in 2013. Last years event was a little undersubscribed and a tad dull so I think that perhaps a bit of apathy might be edgeing in. To spark up the meeting I'd like to see the involvement of the Old School Twins and other flat track classers and a concerted effort made to get as many sliders back to the event and the sport in general.
Even though I'm an ex president and secretary of Penrith club I wasn't welcomed by the clubs previous management but with their departure and a new, positive crew at the helm I'm intending to rejoin the club very soon. Once I'm back in the fold I'd love to help the club get the Charity Meeting moving forward once again as one of the sports icon events. (p.s....my health is almost back to some form of normality and I look forward to slowly getting back into racing during 2013)
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Firko, your health is probably the only aspect of you that is anywhere near normal! and that is a good thing - normality/mediocrity sucks!
Appreciate your comments all round - and I agree the Charity meeting could be better "pumped", I would love to see twins, flat trackers and more sliders at any race meeting.
Its all about viability for the Penrith Club, our new President (not really new but took over the handle bars a few months into the 2012 season) is really having a go, he is accepting of pretty much any of the weird and wonderful concepts I have thrown at him and wants the club and its race meetings to grow and continuously improve, he is passionate AND logical and should be supported.
On to the Charity Day - 2013 will be a greater challenge than previous years as the Nepean commitee have voted to charge Track hire for this weekend, previously it was free to Penrith as part of the charitable aspect of the meeting. As far as classes go are there 12 Twins, flat track bikes and sliders out there that can guarantee they will enter and race?
Cheers
#87
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That's right NMSC is charging a fee but I'm pretty sure it's at a reduced rate from the standard fee.
There are plenty of classes already open to anyone riding a twin, if enough start turning up it might dictate that they get a class of their own, maybe they could be included in the Slider class to start with?
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Hi Slidez, hope you are well, my question "are there 12 Twins, flat track bikes and sliders out there that can guarantee they will enter and race?"
was sort of a challenge particularly aimed at twins and flat track framed bike owners for the "Charity" meeting. As from the clubs point of view the adagage of "if you build it they will come" is not necessarily true, it is a risk, so if 12 twin owners stick their hands up early in the piece and shout "yep I'm in" we (the Penrith Club) will have a Twins class. If however Twins are conspicuous in their silence there wont be a class - pretty simple...
By the way, I have always wanted to ride some Twins . . . . .
#87
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Your first Rider in the TWINS CLASS is Shawn Giles
Your second is Mick Kirkness
Your third rider is Mark Willis
That will do for starters !!!
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Seeing Shawn's so close to Edgar Phipps, wouldn't it be cool to see him on Ed's Shell Yamaha 750? His Suzuki tie up might prevent it for now but down the road.....who knows? Shawns got a trick Yoshimura stage 4 Honda SL350 that his dad built years ago. It sounds like the wail of the Banshees!
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so if 12 twin owners stick their hands up early in the piece and shout "yep I'm in" we (the Penrith Club) will have a Twins class.
Surely the Herb Superb (Conlon) could shake up half a dozen XS750 Yamahas just by himself? He'd have three himself I'd reckon, Mark Peatmans got one ........I reckon you could pull it off.
Penrith even has one of Herbs flat track twin creations on its website opening page
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/2224859_1_L_zps8e17cae5.jpg)
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Shawn on SUZUKI TL1000R
Mick on H-D
Mark on Kawasaki
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Hi SON, (that feels weird - I don't have children so your about the first person that I have called SON)
Great that's three and all "names" - need another 5 or 6 but a full grid would be awesome and truly promotable. . . Firko your right, Herb Superb has a couple and Mark's is there too, and there are others we have talked about this stuff bench racing with beer in hand.
Couple of things
Not all of the owners want to race their bikes and wont lend them to just anybody and fair call too.
Some owners may not be able to afford to maintain a 4 stroke twin that raced hard over a season.
I think their is enough bikes/riders out there certainly for a full grid on the Charity weekend so stick the word out and lets get 12 or more bikes and riders to stick their hand up and then grow it to real full noise class.
SON You are welcome to pm me and we can have a real conversation.
Cheers
#87
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I have to admit I like all this talk, ideas and input that has been lacking for way too long. I recently raised the topic of a Swap Meet at the Charity meeting and it also seems to have legs.
My only concern with all this Corporate involvement, which is much needed, is that the " Charity " ideology of the whole event may be lost if not done right.
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Looks all good ror a great 2013 dirt track year at Nepean raceway
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Having only been involved in Dirt Track as a competitor for 2 years and competing at Penriths race series last year I can honestly say that if this years events are antwhere near as good as last years it will be a great success.
EVERY MEETING, and I can only speak for myself was a great day out.
I have met some great people, had some great nights around the camp fire and olso managed to have a few days of very good racing!
This years format if read properly gives anybody with an old bike a great opportunity to have a heap of racing in every round.
The committee in my eyes have come up with a great format and I for one would like to thank them for their hard work in putting this together. ;D
At Hunter club race meeting this year ther was only 3 or 4 classics at every round. Last year there was enough for 2 grids,
Pre85 and pre78, what happened to everyone is a mistery.
Instead of whining about trivial crap get your bikes ready and get to the track and have a go. ;)
THANKS AGAIN TO ALL INVOLVED IN THE PENRITH COMMITTEE.
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3 x 500 Singles
1x TT500
1X DR500
1X XR500
1 MORE TWIN SV650
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number 87 thanks for your time,
I am confident we can get Wato on the Godden
Hunter Anderson on dad Rod,s XR
And another Harley as well,
I would be thinking of some Handicap races,
Ask Jack Stevens as well,
he had a great night at Newcastle Showground in a handicap race!
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2 more good Speedway riders, looks like this is going to be a great series.
Thinking out of the square
How good would it be for Paul Feeney to build Husqvarna 900 Nuda based Flattracker for Troy Bayliss?
Just so happens they have a crashed Nuda in their workshop!
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A bit crappy about pre70 and evo 125, cant put two bikes in same event, there is a couple of us with this problem. ??? I know you cant please everybody :'(
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Ask Jack Stevens as well,
Jack's Nourish Weslake is in a squillion pieces in preparation for being put on the street. Knowing Jack it might be a bit of a stretch to get him out there on that particular bike this year at least. Jack's one of those blokes who'll ride anything at 10/10 so if anyone's looking for a pilot for their tracker and they aren't bothered by it picking up a bit of gravel rash, Jack's your bloke.
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You are right about Jack,
Twice he has crashed straight in front of me
Twice I have had to put a Harley into a fence to not run him over
Since our wives are life long friends I couldn't hit him,
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dono give roy a ring and get the pre70 put back in with the ladies.
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Tried Mick, Nifty is in the same boat as myself, we have emailed him but we needed more entrants
"the classes that have been put together are based on what we recieved at the grid last year and unfortunatly the pre 75 125 and pre 70 only ever managed 3 riders each so in the new system that will not constitute a class and therefore we would not be able to run it"
just might have to ride the 125 up in 250 class
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i can get 4 rides out of my pre70 montesa 250
looks like the 125 will get shelved for a while
jim
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Bretto,
The black prince and myself are in for the Pre 70. I sent an email to Roy, I think we need about half a dozen riders to get back in with the chicks. How many Pre 70 starters do we have? Then we can approach Roy.
I thought the Pre 70 and chicks class was working well?!!?
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John Ewing will be a starter in pre 70
I might even be there if I can get my sh#t together.
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There will be teething problems no doubt and the list of events will change regularly.
It's a numbers game, if one class becomes more popular then they deserve a fair go but by the same token if the numbers aren't there then they could get dropped off the program..
Pre entry should be encouraged but they'd be mad to turn away people who turn up on the day, maybe a $20.00 surcharge for on the day entries but you just have to fit into whatever classes are available that day, maybe set the days program of events on the pre entry list and if 12 guy's turn up in one particular class then throw that in as well.
No hard & fast rule just go with the flow.
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Just had a look at the results from last year, only 3 entrants in pre 70 that rode every round ::)
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If the three riders that rode last year show up again which they should, add another 2 definite starters for all 3 years rounds. That's 5 so far!!! :)
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If we can get a sponsor for Wally we should be able to keep his RT1 on the track and that will be 6! I have another 2 pre 70's ready to go so if Donno hasn't finished his project he's in, I'm sure i"ve another rider lined up, 8 ?
Nifty
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I`d be a starter for Pre 70 as long as it doesn`t clash with Heaven events.
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Nifty,
Did donno get a Pre 70 prject? He was pumped and having fun on your spare pre 70 last meet! Looks like we are going to have a class. Pre 70 here we come! Now who's emailing Roy again?
Heaven only clashes with round 2 of Penrith on the 16th June (heaven Buladelah) so you can make 2 rounds Snowy.
Brett 2.
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Donno's got a couple in the pipeline but he can borrow one of mine again so long as he comes around and washes it from last time!
Be good to see the Husky Snowy, send me a PM would like to talk about the 450 clutch.
Nifty
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Hey Nifty,
Did anyone buy your old pre 70 ts250 from ebay?
Brett
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Hey Brett good to hear your keen, with the RM 500 and sorting out the little 125, as well as fitting winches nearly got hold of a one of Nev's old rides but still chasing maybe an bulty will turn up ;D. Alright already I'll wash the Yamaha , you gotta leave it in my garage Nev ;D
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Nope no one bought
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Sounds like you've been busy Bretto's. I've built up another Bully over the break and I'm looking forward to it. How far off is the RM500? Are you guys going to make the practice day?
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There will be teething problems no doubt and the list of events will change regularly.
It's a numbers game, if one class becomes more popular then they deserve a fair go but by the same token if the numbers aren't there then they could get dropped off the program..
Pre entry should be encouraged but they'd be mad to turn away people who turn up on the day, maybe a $20.00 surcharge for on the day entries but you just have to fit into whatever classes are available that day, maybe set the days program of events on the pre entry list and if 12 guy's turn up in one particular class then throw that in as well.
No hard & fast rule just go with the flow.
Hi to all talking about the Sydney Dirt Track Championship, hope your well and thanks for your input since the release of the info for 2013.
The old say that goes You cant please eveyone all of the time . . . . rings very true
There a 4 reasons for the changes in no order of importance, and none are for "political" reasons.
1/Value for money for ther riders.
Minimum of 6 rides for $75 including the $5 we used to pay at the gate. $11 per race as a worst case.....
2/Keep the club financially viable.
If the club is broke there is no club and No club = no racing . . . . . pretty simple eh!
City of Penrith MCC promoted/organised the 2012 NSW Post Classic Championships and by and other than some sponsorship dollars the club would have lost a considerable amount of money (enough to pay for another race meeting)
The racers raced and had a ball, MNSW got their permit and rider (insurance levies) money, Nepean Raceway got its track hire money, the medical company got their money and the Club got screwed . . . Tops
Viability is important - an example of a class not being viable is what has been known as "Modern 125". in 2012 there were 3 entries across the year and years prior were no different.
Do the sums - 3 entries at $70 by three race meetings = $630 total income to the Club across the year.
This class cost more than the $630 income to run across the year if you include all costs - a proportion for track hire and medical, MNSW rider levies, MNSW permit, transponders, round trophies and end of year trophies. - makes no sense
3/Make life as easy as possible for the organising officials.
Imagine being the Race Secretary last year at Round 1 of The Sydney West Series when 40% of the entries where "on the day" I bet most of us would tear our hair out and not volunteer again. The start of racing was delayed by about 40 mins while the official were finalising the classes and days events - and this was more common than racers realize.
Some of our aims this year are to have an accurate program, start Racing ON TIME and complete the program of races. These aims are impossible if the organisers create extra classes on the day and accept a heap of "on the dayers".
4/Gain sponsorship money and Media exposure.
If we approach potential sponsors/media and say "Hello we run 3 club days each year and half the time we dont know how many racers will turn up and we dont know what time racing will start and we dont know if the we will get through the program. They will not ever take motorcycle racing seriously.
But, if we approach potential sponsors/media and say we are promoting the 2013 Sydney Dirt Track Championships we have this many racers in this many events, we have full grids and racing starts at x o'clock and finishes at y o'clock they (potential sponsors/media) at least keep listening.
Anyone that needs more or wishes to dicuss it further please PM me your number and we can talk properly
As a suggestion rather ringing/emailing Roy . . . . ring/email other owners of the bikes for the classes in question and rally real entries (not ifs and maybes) We really need the classes to be full and run at each meeting across the year - it is a three round Series after all.
Cheers
#87
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To me the biggest problem with Dirttrack in Australia is the Difficulty in converting events from back gate events to front gate events.
Nepean has this problem big time and I sincerely hope this year You get it right,
You have a golden opportunity, thankfully big time to Troy Bayliss who proved that Dirttrack can be a Front gate event just like Speedway.
I love Dirttrack more than most, did I follow last years events? Yes I did,
Did I drive from the Hunter to Nepean to watch, No I didn't.
Did I drive from the Hunter to Old Bar to watch, Yes I did.
You have to work what made me drive to Taree.
Pretty obvious??
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I certainly wasn't suggesting that the program be changed on the day to cater for whoever turned up, the opposite.
What I meant was that if good numbers of a particular class start showing up then maybe next year a specific class could be added, this situation only involves us old bike lovers, the modern's are pretty well set in stone across the board.
The best thing Penrith can do is to stick to the format they decide on at the start of each year.
It'll all work out for the best I'm sure, the big point I'm pushing is to not exclude on the day entries all together, hopefully at some point we'll have no choice.
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I have to applaud the vision to lift Club Days up to a Series,
Club Days the riders pay their way,(Back Gate event)
Promoted Series shifts more of the Responsibility to the paying spectators (Front Gate).
But if you are going to charge the front gate you had better plan on entertaining them.
Just like Speedway most race meetings are entertaining, but if you want to charge a Premium you want to put on a show.
Stack the Deck with Star Riders on Machines worth paying Money to See !!!!!!!!
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Last time I saw BIG TWINS in SYDNEY was at Bankstown, that was a little while ago.
Include the OLD SCHOOL and BIG TWINS into your SERIES I will get you the SPONSORS !!!
And 500 Extra SPECTATORS !!!
What is the Spectator capabilities of Nepean??
Can additional Grandstands be erected??
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Last time I saw BIG TWINS in SYDNEY was at Bankstown, that was a little while ago.
Include the OLD SCHOOL and BIG TWINS into your SERIES I will get you the SPONSORS !!!
And 500 Extra SPECTATORS !!!
What is the Spectator capabilities of Nepean??
Can additional Grandstands be erected??
pretty big 3000 +
Plenty of room under tree's
and plenty of space for extra Grandstands
Its rural -love thy neighbour 8)
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Entry Forms out now for March 24th
They close on the 18th
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I received an email recently with entry details and a request for commitment by means of pre entry (cool) for the series (also cool) complete with payment for the series (Not so cool)
For me that is an entry fee of $130 per round (add $20 if I get the twin happening) which is $500 plus up front to be assured of a spot on the grid for the series..
While I don't mind paying with pre entry I feel its a big ask for most to pay for the year up front.
Yes refunds are availiable in the case of washouts or non attendance and this is not mandatory but I feel it sends the wrong message to the people who are already supporting the sport and it may also spook those that are thinking of having a go.
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I just found out that there is another meeting on the same day in NSW,
And it is an open meeting,
I thought the Series was Open Meetings,
Does not matter Nepean can still work,
just like any party you have to invite people along,
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Yeah Graeme, this year there are about 5 clubs invited but for the cost of a lobster anyone from anywhere can join one of those clubs and compete.
If the interest is there maybe one day it could be an open meeting series, how good would that be.
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I was part of the breakup of the 1 Man 1 Club Rule 30 years ago,
so that these events could happen,
But the integrity of Open Meetings should not be compromised,
They involve investment, commitment and need to be protected,
It is difficult for riders like Hunter Anderson, Mick Kirkness to be in two places at once,
It creates many difficulties for Administrators as well,
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Go to www.mcnews.com.au/latestbreakingnews
Thanks to Trevor Hedge for his support
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http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchives/2013/February/Sydney_DirtTrack_Series_Entry.pdf
Cheers
Shaun
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Good News, Bad News, Good News,
Fullnoise.com.au carried the story on the Series, thanks Garry,
but unfortunately has the Series starting this weekend,
So it will get twice the coverage when they run the correction tomorrow,
For my Bultaco loving friend, I am up to 6 riders and entries don't close for 4 weeks,
and we haven't even told any Spectators yet that it's only $5 to get in to watch,
That has to be the best Value in Sydney...
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I've added the event to Oz Dirt Track:
http://ozdirttrack.ning.com/events
Might be worth putting the word out on Facebook too?
http://www.facebook.com/dirttrackaus
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Does anyone have a twin ready?
If so what can we expect to see ??? ;D
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herb conlon has a xs650 ready nice and clean, who is on it is a question?
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With entries closing tomorrow if you are considering riding, get them in.
I am recovering pretty well and considering entering and just riding around at the back ;D ???
Everyone is telling me I am f***ing stupid but it beats doing a one legged rain dance for the next week :P
Now that would be just too selfish :D ;D
And that little matter of a medical clearance. :-\
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BUMP
http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchives/2013/February/Sydney_DirtTrack_Series_Entry.pdf
Cheers
Shaun
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Does anyone know what's happening with the proposed CPMCC training day at Nepean on the 23rd March? I have not raced dirt track for quite a few years and would like to get a few laps of practice in before the flag drops on Sunday.
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Hi Pete,
It is not a free for all practice day , It is a pre booked training sessions, you will have to contact CoP to find details
[email protected] /www.cpmcc.com.au
Cheers
Noel
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Hi Pete,
It is not a free for all practice day , It is a pre booked training sessions, you will have to contact CoP to find details
[email protected] /www.cpmcc.com.au
Cheers
Noel
Thanks Noel,
I spoke to Aldo from the club this morning & it looks like they have filled all the training spots.
Looking forward to going around at Nepean again. I haven't ridden it since 1975 so I guess I will have to pay lots of attention during the sighting laps :-[
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Good entry list for race day Sunday!
Last minute rush on last day (of entries close) and day before.
Looks like the penny has finally dropped regarding Pre-enter if you want minumum delays on race day.
Also, big prize money is not the only draw card!
Should be a great day, lets hope N.M.S.C. faces up to its obligation to provide a well prepared venue to its hirer-'customer' and not load up Penrith clubs hard working volunteers as has been the recent case it seems.
What's going on within N.M.S.C.??
Cheers pancho.
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I was under the belief that the 5 way Raceday was OFF for this weekend.
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I just talked with the President of the promoting club.
NEPEAN IS ON THIS WEEKEND!!!
The Twins class has been deleted due to a lack of entries (3) The three riders concerned have been notified and placed into other classes.
Cheers
Shaun
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It looks set to be a good day, wish I could come along. Disappointing about the twins class with actually only 2 entries. Hopefully more of those thundering twins come out of woodwork for the next few rounds!
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Thought with all the talk going around their would have been more
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Damn hot and humid today at Mulgoa and the same for Nepean tomorrow and the threat of a storm, but probably just high hunidity.
Both bikes starting easy and loaded up ready to rock 'n roll!. ;D
I bought a new air cleaner pod for each, The RT1 backfired first start this arvo and blew the ARSE out of the new pod! Anoying! ::)
Too late for a new one. Tie wire will have to hold it together.
see you at sign on cheers pancho.
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Mrs Purple ( Mia ) and I ventured to Nepean today to have a look at the Mad Dogs and Englishmen Out in the Noon Day Sun.........too hot for me.....glad we were only watching......track looked good to me and it was great to catch up with Pancho and John Ewing.. :D
(http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp45/triumph51/002_zpsde0af38f.jpg)
I was lucky to get this photo with Pancho and his Slider in one piece, after the throttle stuck open going into the speedway corner and he went SCARILY wide.. :o :o :o
(http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp45/triumph51/001_zpsa3d8b0c6.jpg)
John Ewing feeling the heat after some hard and close riding on his Yammy Flattracker
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I also caught up with Phil Gibson and his slider No 63..........Phil and I raced against each other in the 70's, when he was in Blacktown MCC and I was in Central MCC.......alas the old Jawa maggie packed up early, so I didn't see him in action.........we can renew our racing association at round 2 in June, when I roll out the SC 500.
I asked after Firko, but he was nowhere to be found.
I noticed this poster on the pit fence. ;D
(http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp45/triumph51/004_zps82ec574c.jpg)
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I asked after Firko, but he was nowhere to be found.
Yesterday I struck a bit of an unforseen snag while working on my Yamaha 360 flat tracker that I'm hammering away to have ready for next weeks Broadford Bonanza. After losing a whole day fixing the fluck up on the bike and watching the Auckland Speedway GP, I thought it wise to can going to Nepean and instead play catch ups on the bike. It was one of those good days in the shed that remind me why I love what I do, everything went right on the bike for a change, the Rabbitoes and Waratahs won the footy games on the radio and a six pack of Swedish pear cider and the sheds airconditioning kept me and Reggie nice and cool (Before you call the RSPCA, Reg was off the piss and didn't partake in the cider) ::). We'll meet up before long Dave ;).
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I had a beaut day at Nepean yesterday!
Met 'Alvin' and 'Bananas' off the forum face to face,
My XT slider was goin' like a low flying rocket!
The only hassles I had was in the second round of the sliders I was a fairly safe second 'till the slide jammed at the top when I backed off like I always do for the speedway bend, and headed me towards the fence! However I managed to stay on and finished (with a slippery seat).
My RT1 popped the nipple off the clutch cable in the marshalling area and dumped me on the ground and screamed at me till some blokes got it off me.
However the planets lined up for the last round of the sliders and I got the hole shot ( my main aim these days) and iI led from start to finish.
Some-one said I'm probably the oldest Penrith member to win a race!
A top day thanks to Roy, Aldo, and all the other helpers.
cheers pancho.
Cheers for XT engines!
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dumped me on the ground and screamed at me till some blokes got it off me.
Sounds like a run in with my missus! :D
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Well done Poncho, you deserve it, an inspiration to rest of us.
I'm spending this Easter weekend up the Hunter Valley with Brocky, may need a new liver afterwards.
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I had a beaut day at Nepean yesterday!
Met 'Alvin' and 'Bananas' off the forum face to face,
My XT slider was goin' like a low flying rocket!
The only hassles I had was in the second round of the sliders I was a fairly safe second 'till the slide jammed at the top when I backed off like I always do for the speedway bend, and headed me towards the fence! However I managed to stay on and finished (with a slippery seat).
My RT1 popped the nipple off the clutch cable in the marshalling area and dumped me on the ground and screamed at me till some blokes got it off me.
However the planets lined up for the last round of the sliders and I got the hole shot ( my main aim these days) and iI led from start to finish.
Some-one said I'm probably the oldest Penrith member to win a race!
A top day thanks to Roy, Aldo, and all the other helpers.
cheers pancho.
Cheers for XT engines!
Great stuff, Wally. Don't it feel good to win one once in a while ?? Well done young fella !!
Foss
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Thanks Foss, it sure was fun!
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Good on ya Wally, from the start line we thought the fence was going to get a polish after you were finished doing some gardening but you held on and got round the corner which was a good result.
It was great to see you get the win ;D
On the start line issue, it is a little hard to understand that with a 100 or so entries that we could only get 3 blokes to man the start for the first round and at around the 35 mark it was pretty hot out there.
To our relief a couple of others manned up for the rest of the day.
I know this has been discussed at lenght in the past but it does not take much to turn up and do a bit if you are not riding or try and bring someone with you who can help.
It will mean a better day for you and everyone else if things roll along without any problems.
Should be healed up for round 2 see you all there ;)