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Title: Basics
Post by: Tim754 on January 01, 2013, 11:23:38 pm
 I try very hard to NOT to create vast quagmires of psycho-mechanical gobbledegook about what makes internal combustion engines run. It is only three things ,or crikey only two if it is a diesel ,

1 Fuel/air mix
2 Compression
3 Spark *               

Not that hard is it.!!!!    Now go out to your spark ignition engine and match (aka tune ) 1 and 2 to 3, or perhaps 2 and 3 to 1, or how about 3 and 1 to 2....  ;)


* Yep spark not required for ya compression ignition engine.   
Title: Re: Basics
Post by: lukeb1961 on January 02, 2013, 09:36:49 am
http://www.amazon.com/Engines-Introduction-John-L-Lumley/dp/0521644895
Title: Re: Basics
Post by: JAP 454 on January 02, 2013, 09:55:33 am
Yep, It's not that complicated really,Tim, if one of the 2 or 3 get out of kilter, it will not proceed. One of the most basic explanations I've ever heard of the dear old Otto cycle is " Suck - Squeeze - Bang - Blow "
Foss
Title: Re: Basics
Post by: Tim754 on January 03, 2013, 01:33:28 pm
Suck - Squeeze - Bang - Blow "   That is for the Otto Cycle engine!!!!  Damn at around 17 years old I definitely thought that was for girls........ :D ;)
Title: Re: Basics
Post by: pancho on January 03, 2013, 02:19:48 pm
 Suck squeeze bang blow! ya'll beat me to it!
Title: Re: Basics
Post by: chrisdespo on January 04, 2013, 11:55:10 am
dont forget that on a 2stroke there is two lots of compression to think about............. :D
Title: Re: Basics
Post by: Lozza on January 04, 2013, 05:20:57 pm
I try very hard to NOT to create vast quagmires of psycho-mechanical gobbledegook about what makes internal engines run. It is only three things ,or crikey only two if it is a diesel ,

1 Fuel/air mix
2 Compression
3 Spark *               

Not that hard is it.!!!!    Now go out to your spark ignition engine and match (aka tune ) 1 and 2 to 3, or perhaps 2 and 3 to 1, or how about 3 and 1 to 2....  ;)


* Yep spark not required for ya compression ignition engine.   

Two strokes are not simple they just look it.
Title: Re: Basics
Post by: Tim754 on January 05, 2013, 10:19:25 pm
 Lozza  ;) Two stroke or Four stroke or even Wankel rotaries... Fuel/air mix (sucked , valved or injected in) Compressed by well compression...then a provided spark causes a rapid expansion of the she bang. :D :D :D :D    w

{what makes internal engines run}. Should read "what makes internal combustion engines run"  Sorry for that typo have corrected.


Title: Re: Basics
Post by: Tim754 on January 05, 2013, 10:29:20 pm
What be an External Combustion Engine????     A  boiler type steam engine is one ;) Think about it.

Hmmm now how about
 a rocket engine?
Or a fan jet
or a ram jet
or a gas turbine
or back to the padded cell time.
Title: Re: Basics
Post by: Montynut on January 06, 2013, 08:14:09 am
I find this an interesting way of explaining things
http://www.animatedengines.com/
Title: Re: Basics
Post by: micks on January 06, 2013, 10:10:55 am
don`t forget timing
Title: Re: Basics
Post by: maico police on January 06, 2013, 10:59:25 am
I find this an interesting way of explaining things
http://www.animatedengines.com/

What a great site. Makes me want to grow a beard, smoke a pipe and get a whole heap of small engines to show off on Sundays at country fares.....
Title: Re: Basics
Post by: JAP 454 on January 06, 2013, 11:21:39 am
Suck - Squeeze - Bang - Blow "   That is for the Otto Cycle engine!!!!  Damn at around 17 years old I definitely thought that was for girls........ :D ;)
When I was in the marine game , I was trying to sell a customer an electric outboard, he asked "How much horsepower ??, I told him these eggbeaters were measured, not in horsepower but foot pounds of thrust and told him this model produced 48 Ft/Lbs of thrust , his reply was " Sounds like me when I was 18 ".  He bought one !!
Foss
Title: Re: Basics
Post by: Montynut on January 06, 2013, 11:51:44 am
I find this an interesting way of explaining things
http://www.animatedengines.com/

What a great site. Makes me want to grow a beard, smoke a pipe and get a whole heap of small engines to show off on Sundays at country fares.....

Don't laugh Ross with Global warmingclimate changecarbon economy green shite BS the steam engine in all its wonder will emerge again with a solar furnace or some such crap
Title: Re: Basics
Post by: pancho on January 06, 2013, 12:18:22 pm
 Talk about steam, when my 'ol man had the Museum at Maroochydore there was this huge book on engineering (circa 1890s) that had the drawings of a steam engine stationary power plant with its own concave mirror geared to track the sun through the daylight hours to provide high temp steam in a copper coil at the focal point!

pancho.
Title: Re: Basics
Post by: maico police on January 06, 2013, 01:22:20 pm
Talk about steam, when my 'ol man had the Museum at Maroochydore there was this huge book on engineering (circa 1890s) that had the drawings of a steam engine stationary power plant with its own concave mirror geared to track the sun through the daylight hours to provide high temp steam in a copper coil at the focal point!

pancho.

I wonder if they were entitled for a rebate if they used it...... :P
Title: Re: Basics
Post by: Zakk on January 06, 2013, 03:55:07 pm
here's a good 2stroke pic, fairly simple and it shows the expansion chamber working.

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb143/Yokkachi/Arbeitsweise_Zweitakt.gif)
Title: Re: Basics
Post by: oldyzman on January 06, 2013, 04:19:54 pm
Looks on song to me zak, nice explanation
Title: Re: Basics
Post by: pancho on January 06, 2013, 05:41:01 pm
here's a good 2stroke pic, fairly simple and it shows the expansion chamber working.

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb143/Yokkachi/Arbeitsweise_Zweitakt.gif)
I raced a twin pipe Jawa at Moorebank for a while that revved about the same as that.
pancho
Title: Re: Basics
Post by: Tim754 on January 07, 2013, 09:20:43 am
So Pancho ya must have spent a shitload of money on modifying it????? :D
Title: Re: Basics
Post by: pancho on January 07, 2013, 05:07:22 pm
 I was inspired by Les Fishers performance on a factory model, and bought a road model of a friend. The trick was the rider,not the bike.
 I lengthend the swinging arm to allow 19"  rims to be spoked into the original 16" wheels, got the specs for the ports of the factory model and modfied them to the same. It went reasonable but I dis-owned it  after it blew a crankcase seal at the top of the infamous "sorbent hill" and shot me off into orbit.
 It also had some other built in demons that needed mods.
cheers pancho