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Clubroom => Competition => Topic started by: Graeme M on December 22, 2012, 07:26:43 am
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Thread to discuss the 2013 Classic MX Titles...
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So this will be in Canberra yeah.?
Are you hoping for pre75 side cars?
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Are there enough legal pre 75 sidecars whose owners are prepared to make the journey? I'd love to see 'em on the program but as Brad says over on the Post Classic Nats thread, there doesn't seem to be a lot of committment from the sidecar community. Remember that there are few, if any motocross sidecars in NSW so if they are to be a part of the Classic Nats, they're pretty much all going to have to be imports from other states. I can't see it happening going on past experience.
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Qld has a small sidecar fraternity and we got a field togther for 2012. I feel sure we could do the same for Canberra with the added benefit of possibly drawing some from south, if only a couple.
I would like to see them in the regs at least.
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Are there enough legal pre 75 sidecars whose owners are prepared to make the journey? I'd love to see 'em on the program but as Brad says over on the Post Classic Nats thread, there doesn't seem to be a lot of committment from the sidecar community. Remember that there are few, if any motocross sidecars in NSW so if they are to be a part of the Classic Nats, they're pretty much all going to have to be imports from other states. I can't see it happening going on past experience.
The year before last for a solo place in the container was $300 each.
Last year was $600 each for a solo.
Depending on cost and #'s in 2013, Outfits wont know $$$ till at least August/September 2013 for pre78 Nationals. :)
I know of one owner that was willing to give it a crack,so he said back at the end of winter.
cheers A
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For the NZ trip we are looking at buying a second hand container and setting it out to fit everything into it.
That way we can load it up ourselves and we only have to pay for the freight and a truck at the other end.
Is that what you guys did? I know it's a long way from Perth so I guess the fuel is the main cost.
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For the NZ trip we are looking at buying a second hand container and setting it out to fit everything into it.
That way we can load it up ourselves and we only have to pay for the freight and a truck at the other end.
Is that what you guys did? I know it's a long way from Perth so I guess the fuel is the main cost.
We think Perth based pre75 club usually hire/borrows the seacontainer.
Its also very handy to have members that are owner driver with a good size truck taking 18 odd solos.
If the city based club was to purchase a container, then they have the issues of finding suitable storage place for it.
Remembering rightly the Conondale Nats Qld 2010 took 28 solo at a total of around 9k.Dont know if that included on off loading and everything between.
We are very thankfull to those who borrowed outfits that year.
NZ is closer to you than we are :P
Are you bolting straight to floor side by side and putting in a upper level ??
Cheers us2
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Toying with the idea of finding a Pre 78 mount. Is there any update on this meeting? Is it a possibility it will be held on Karma Gutsa or is it definitely on the regular track?
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Toying with the idea of finding a Pre 78 mount. Is there any update on this meeting? Is it a possibility it will be held on Karma Gutsa or is it definitely on the regular track?
Kumagutza(this is the way it is spelt ) working bee soon
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I would like to know, since it has been a long time for me, the 125 classes, are they all in together or are they age classes, for example
up to 30 year
30 to 40
40 to 50
50 to 100
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Depending on enties I think. If they only get a few you'll run together. They ask for 6 to make a class from memory.
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Depending on enties I think. If they only get a few you'll run together. They ask for 6 to make a class from memory.
Ten for solos. Six is for the tricycles.
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What is the confirmed dates for the titles and where????
Thanks
Tim
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What is the confirmed dates for the titles and where????
Thanks
Tim
pre90 VMX Post Classic Titles are May 4th & 5th, Lakes NSW
pre78 VMX Titles are November 2nd & 3rd,Canberra ACT
cheers A
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Cheers ;D
booking time off from work to be at both.
Tim
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When will the Supp regs be available for this event as would like to enter from Victoria ???
Thanks Ken Baker
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When will the Supp regs be available for this event as would like to enter from Victoria ???
Thanks Ken Baker
Ken it will be a while before the supp regs are out for this meeting.
Do you mean the Post Classic meeting at Lakes in May? If so hope they will be out a about 3 - 4 weeks
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So this will be in Canberra yeah.?
Are you hoping for pre75 side cars?
Four outifts keen :P Noice track too 8)
http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=1-7023-0-0-0&sID=187068
or for better track pics try facebook:
ACT MCC Motorcross
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Hope so Ali as we only have a couple of pre75s up here now.
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Note that ASA are running their Nats the same weekend though it is yet to be confirmed.
It would be good to get them a weekend before or after so you could do both.
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The ASA round is on the move. im trying to get it down south ( closer to every one) and the date hasnt been locked in, lots on that time of year so looking for a suitable date maybe in NOV ?? then you can also do the long track championship while your down here.
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flights are $214 Perth -Canberra one way at the moment
Is the mx/vmx track on Pialligo Ave Majura ??
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Seeing that we've got nearly seven months until the Canberra Classic Nats, lets all work together to try and avoid a similar apathy shown by the Post Classic fraternity towards their own Nats. If we can use the next few months to get our section of the sport working well and to build the buzz for Canberra we can show the neersayers and negative Nevilles* that the older classes are a long way from dead.
If you've got a bike you haven't used for a while, dust it off and get it prepared, if you've got a bike half finished but have lost the mojo to complete it, sit down on your milk crate with a cuppa or a beer in hand and just look at it for a while and I'll bet that enthusiasm to finish and race it comes back. If you're going to enter but have an extra bike or two, offer them to mates to race and, if like me, you've retired from motocross for whatever reason but still have a love of the sport and a bike in the shed, offer it to someone else to ride at the meet, you'll be surprised how much fun you can still have as an entrant/team owner. I'll have three bikes entered with three different riders as will a dirt track specialist mate who'll be offering a bike or two to guest riders.
It's truly up to us pre 75/78 competitors to make sure that this meeting succeeds, never before has the success of a meeting been so important to the credibility of our sport. It's time to start banging the Classic Nats drum as loudly and frequently as we can.
*With apologies to Nifty ;)
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Over here in the West things have already started with getting costings for a container and enough bikes to just about fill it already
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I hope you have a bit more luck with your entries than the post classic's did
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Were is a good spot to stay ?
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I will not be able to come BUT . some of my bikes could go as Firko said Ive got a Cpl I could loan out .
Iain
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I will not be able to come BUT . some of my bikes could go as Firko said Ive got a Cpl I could loan out .
Iain
Bummer. We will have to catch up some other time.
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Mark as Im self employed and its the worst time of year for me to have a break I'll have to give it a miss , the last event that I rode was the 2011 Nats in SA . Easter thurs and the following Tue this year to get to HBBB where the first days Ive had off since then . Ah the joys of selfemployment .
Iain
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I would like to have the YZ ready for it and this maybe the motivation needed.
Firko and Iain. Lending your bikes out is bigger commitment than actually riding in the event. Good onya's.
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Were is a good spot to stay ?
Received a reply from ACTMCC,they are allowing camping with minimal faclities.
Will confirm tomorrow via phone.
There are two caravan parks in Queanbeyan,with cabins which is situated SE of Canberra about about 5-6 km from the track.Thats if I've google earth the right track ;D :P
cheers
http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=1-7023-0-0-0&sID=188781
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What will happen at the 2013 Classic Nats is 130-160 entries (250-350 bikes).The Perth guys are organising containers, Canberra is central,the Classic riders seem more dedicated than their later era brethren, etc. The 2014 Post Classic Nats will take off as apart from anything else the riders have had a giant wake up call and surely realise another failure will be an even bigger set back. Sure, a number of the reasons given for lack of entries are valid and no doubt taken on board, but at the end of the day its down to the riders supporting their sport.
I agree with Col...the 2013 Classic Nats will happen but it's not going to be the huge event it promises to be unless the classic era competitors get right behind the meeting. We need to show that the Nats concept is still alive and viable as far as the traditional vintage classes are concerned. As I said earlier, I'm entering three bikes in three different classes with three different riders and I'd love to challenge other guys with extra bikes that they won't be riding to do the same...offer them to friends without classic era bikes or fellow racers from the Post Classic scene. Klub Kevlar will also offer to sponsor a couple of classes or offer novelty trophies...whatever the Canberra club feels comfortable with. I've been doing a little work behind the scene to try and get the dormant pre 65 and pre 70 classes up and running again for three HEAVEN rounds this year and it looks as if the four or five extra quality pre 65 bikes I've got a committment from could well support the Canberra Nats as well. If we all work together we can make the Canberra Classic Nats the showpiece of the sport that the Post Classic meeting should have been.
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Only six months away now.
Wondering if there are any updates for the event.
eg. friday- scrutineering
when allowed on site for camping
supp regs.
I now its still a bit early but six months goes quick at our age.
Cheers Troy
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It's truly up to us pre 75/78 competitors to make sure that this meeting succeeds, never before has the success of a meeting been so important to the credibility of our sport. It's time to start banging the Classic Nats drum as loudly and frequently as we can.
I agree Firko. Without your prompting I have already arranged for 2 young people I know (1 female and 1 male) to ride this event on 2 of my bikes ..... now just need to get one going for myself :)
The wife and I will drive down to Canberra from sunny Qld and make a week of it, catch up with some old friends, introduce some of our long-time friends kids to the sport and hopefully have a wow of a time.
Now who can lend me a couple of pre 78 bikes ;D
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Good for you Simo....more of us need to get our bikes out there. Best to put anyone on them rather than have them sit in the shed.
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If anyone has a pre78 bike collecting dust which doesn't have a rider for the Nationals, I'd be keen to race.
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Best bet KJ is buy your own. Just happens I can help you out there.
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Best bet KJ is buy your own. Just happens I can help you out there.
What have you got?
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YZ 250C and YZ 400C. My email [email protected]
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The VMXWA has a couple of it's members travelling around Australia. brother and sister Robert and Sarah Dillon. They intend going to the Nats in canberra. I was wondering if anyone can loan them a solo (each), they mainly riding 4 strokes and a sidecar (pre75, possibly two stroke)). They on there day are quite a formidable pair on the sidecar with Sarah as the Pilot on a 500 Kwaka triple. Only a preliminary request. I'm also going to find out when they will be in other states whilst travelling down to canberra. It appears at the moment we will have a container full of bikes (appox 24), plus a couple of others bringing theirs on a holiday. Whilst there also appears a chance of a couple of sidecars being brought over (planning stage only). just a general update and can't confirm until later
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I'm looking forward to the Nats this year and hopefully will have my health problems that have kept me of the track this year sorted by then and can ride my Husky in open pre 78. I believe at this time I will be lending my KTM 250 to current pre 78 champion again to defend his title from last year. I will also try and get some old timers back on the track as well.
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I might be able to loan Robert or Sarah a two stroke pre 70 or pre 75 solo to ride at the Nats as long as fussiness isn't one of their traits :)......no four stroke motocross tackle (in built up condition that is ) or sidecars at Casa del Firko. They'll be battling to find a motocross sidecar of any vintage or condition in NSW, not much call for them here ::).
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No worries, mark, we'll just wait to see what comes up. both were brought up on BSA's. But I'm certain they will ride anything. if they have a ladies class Sarah could do extremely well.
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Wont get a two stroke multi in Qld either but might be able to findan outfit of some description though they wont like being beaten by a sheila :D :D
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she's not frightened of banging handlebars and sacrificing her brother to win!!lol
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Any idea how many pre60 and pre65 entries may be forthcoming? Would be good to know which bike/s to prioritise in the shed for attention. Just realised I have a shed full of mechanical lepers! Bits fall of all of the time!! :D
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very funny big thumper...look, just get them all ready and we'll come to ride them for you.r
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Any idea how many pre60 and pre65 entries may be forthcoming? Would be good to know which bike/s to prioritise in the shed for attention. Just realised I have a shed full of mechanical lepers! Bits fall of all of the time!! :D
eah but I've seen the smile on your face when you've got them humming. Now get back in the shed!!!!!
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Which track are the Nats on?
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Which track are the Nats on?
Suppose to be on the old Kumagutsa track... ?
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Which track are the Nats on?
The main track. Unless Jesus comes down to earth and makes turning Kumagutsa into a race track his first priority.
Sorry for the negativity, but I'm tired of dropping hints: Kumagutsa has taken a lot of people a lot of work, but is nowhere near ready for a club day, much less the Nationals.
The track is far too narrow.
There are far too many trees on the edges of the track, including on the outsides of corners after fast downhills.
The dirt is a mixture of rock, hard-pack and bulldust. It will be dangerously dusty, and any attempt to water it will turn it into greased glass.
There is no watering system.
I'm pretty sure the drainage is inadequate.
I also have concerns about how the pits will work (not a show stopper in itself, but not apparently a redeeming feature either...).
To my untrained eye, the track needs to be widened, trees need to be removed or very heavily padded, and (most importantly), a LOT of organic matter needs to be ripped into the track surface on multiple occasions before November.
Yeah: I'm a jerk - I should be positive and all that... But I'd consider myself much more of a jerk if I said nothing... ;)
Yes, I am willing to help fix it.
The bright side to all of that is that the main track is great. With a few tweaks, it can be old bike/old body friendly.
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I agree Nathan. Unless Abi Group start work with all of their resources immediately I can't see that goat track being ready for anything but a trials meeting. The main track is the GO. Rest assured though, some bullshit reason will veto that idea
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Well now that the cats out of the bag, this has been a behind the scenes 'elephant in the room' that nobody seems to want to deal with within the organising club and officialdom. From all reports they've known of our concerns for a long time but despite a lot of "she'll be right" rhetoric nothing seems to be happening. Nathan's listed the concerns we have and the club has been approached with those concerns with little feedback or even any indication that it's on their importance list. After seeing the You tube video of the track I don't know how it would ever be licenced.
With the West Aussies making an expensive pilgrimage over and the possibility of an American racer making the trip down it's just plain not acceptable to present this shithole as a track capable of running a major National title event. After the Post Classic Nats cancellation fiasco our sport needs to go into damage control pretty damn quickly to avoid another embarrassment. Perhaps any thoughts of Kumagutsa being used should be canned right now and all efforts put into modifying the main track by removing the modern jumps and hazards to suit pre 65 bikes. Remember that for this event to be fair the track has to suit the oldest bikes racing, if they can handle it, all the other divisions can as well. Rather than letting this turn into another blame game, let's be positive and try and work out a good cures to the ailment ;).
Some behind the scenes action has been going on today and as soon as a result of that is known it'll be reported here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxS6QLoastE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxS6QLoastE)
This vid was filmed in November 2011 and I believe the track has deteriorated substantially since then. Even then you get an indication of the ruts, dust potential and close proximity of trees to the track. I've been told that the entire track now a rutfest comprising of bulldust and golfball sized rocks.
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I was typing up a reply like you Firko and thought I better not add fuel to the fire but stuff it, I'm with you, how hard is it for a club to commit and keep people informed.....I know a lot of Qlder's want to go but not to a shithole (sometimes the truth hurts). We know of the bullshit that went on with the Flat track titles there last year which puts the hebby jebby's up wanting to attend so these guys need to be keeping us up to date. Nathan, your on the ball and hopefully this will get the ball rolling to something positive.
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I don't know what it is with NSW/ACT but there's hardly a decent motocross track capable of hosting a quality classic vmx meeting in the whole bloody state. I put much of the blame on the conga line of self interested wankers that have reeked havoc within MNSW over the last 20 years. For Australia's most populous state to have hardly a decent motocross circuit within 4 hours of Sydney is a flucking disgrace.
Eastern Creek was supposed to become an all disciplines moto park along the lines of Broadford but the development money was pissed up on hosting a road race GP money pit that it's never dug itself out of.
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I want to blow Qld's trumpet but next time your up this way you need to visit Qld Moto Park at Whyaralong, 1 hour south of Brisbane, 1 hour west of the Gold Coast. Its a collaboration between 6 Southeast Qld councils, the Qld government and Motorcycling Qld. It has various MX tracks, enduro loops, pee wee track, trials, camping with facilities, its open 6 days a week, no dick heads allowed and has set the std for moto parks. We ran the Classic Nats there last year on a track that they purpously built for us and we re used it again 2 weeks ago. We are spoiled up here for great tracks to ride on....this weekend the Qld titles are at Harrisville ...a privately owned track that the owner is into VMX and lets us use it....hell, he even imported a set of start gates that old mate makes for the AMA Nationals....all the way from USA. We have Echo Valley and Conondale to come later this year. We are offered properties and tracks all the time....I guess Mark you guys for some reason have some serious issues that Motorcycling NSW are too weak and have the wrong people leading you. A delegation came from Canberra a few months ago to look at QMP to assess the success of it and with the idea of replicating it somewhere down there....Canberra. There are a lot of hard working people behind the scenes up here and it does take time, but you have to start somewhere.
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Dont Heaven run a round here?
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Dont Heaven run a round here?
Yes, on the main track.
There was a Kumagutsa round scheduled early last year, but the club decided that it wasn't up to spec, and went back to the main track.
That said, the main track is "too modern" for the Classic MX Nationals. There's a decent set of whoops (which can be bypassed), and several sizeable jumps (all tabletops).
IMHO, about half of the jumps could be left alone and the remainder could be made old-bike-friendly simply by modifying the jump faces/lips to make them more rolling.
For those that are familiar with the track, my take:
1. First ski jump near the dam is fine.
2. Small table top into the gully is fine.
3. Medium sized table top heading back to the PeeWee track (Bultaco Macca's jump) is OK but would benefit from being toned down.
4. First big table top on the back straight needs to be toned down.
5. Middle table top on back straight needs to be toned down (this is the best of the three, IMHO).
6. Third table top on the back straight definitely needs to be toned down.
7. The table top after the straight needs to be toned down.
8. Step-down table top back down the hill is OK.
9. Big table top back up the hill needs to be toned down.
10. Whoops should be bypassed.
11. The old finish line table top needs to be toned down a lot.
12. Little kicker into the tight LHS corner is fine.
13. Finish line table top is OK.
It sounds like a long list, but only #6 and #11 need significant work/bypassing. #3, 4, 5, 7, 9, and 13 wouldn't need much modification to be made good for old bikes.
Any further input/commentary welcomed.
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Kevin the ACTMCC is approachable person to chat too on the phone. There is camping available. 8)
Just off the phone to Kevin. There is an organising committee that may need support, who's in from the vmx locals and the forum ? :P
cheers
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Dont Heaven run a round here?
Yes, on the main track.
There was a Kumagutsa round scheduled early last year, but the club decided that it wasn't up to spec, and went back to the main track.
That said, the main track is "too modern" for the Classic MX Nationals. There's a decent set of whoops (which can be bypassed), and several sizeable jumps (all tabletops).
IMHO, about half of the jumps could be left alone and the remainder could be made old-bike-friendly simply by modifying the jump faces/lips to make them more rolling.
For those that are familiar with the track, my take:
1. First ski jump near the dam is fine. agree
2. Small table top into the gully is fine. agree
3. Medium sized table top heading back to the PeeWee track (Bultaco Macca's jump) is OK but would benefit from being toned down. agree
4. First big table top on the back straight needs to be toned down. I think this is the best with slight tone down
5. Middle table top on back straight needs to be toned down (this is the best of the three, IMHO). up ramp slope decreased and step on top cut down
6. Third table top on the back straight definitely needs to be toned down. agre
7. The table top after the straight needs to be toned down. long enough that just decreasing the up ramp slope would do
8. Step-down table top back down the hill is OK. agree although the step on the top could be smoothed as it catches people out
9. Big table top back up the hill needs to be toned down. just the up ramp slope reduced
10. Whoops should be bypassed. don't sagreee here as then the bike speed would really shot up I think just tone them down as it will allow the better rider to shine
11. The old finish line table top needs to be toned down a lot. agree
12. Little kicker into the tight LHS corner is fine. agree
13. Finish line table top is OK. agree
It sounds like a long list, but only #6 and #11 need significant work/bypassing. #3, 4, 5, 7, 9, and 13 wouldn't need much modification to be made good for old bikes.
Any further input/commentary welcomed.
Most of this stuff could be done in a day with the machines they have on hand and returned to present state in a day. This will sound strange but the track overall does not need to be prepared to the same level as they do for the moderns as the old bikes do not need it ripped nearly as deeply as they would for moderns. This has been the prep for 2012 & 13 at Heaven meetings and the track has been the best I've ridden it.
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The layout of Fairbairn Park is great and going by what I can see in the vids, looks to flow really well. While I take Nathans recommendations seriously I must ask why we need as many jumps as are currently on the course? I'm just wondering out aloud if it might be a better proposition to avoid two or three of the table tops altogether. I'm not being picky or wanting to see a flat as a pancake grass track style track, it just seems to me however that there is a little bit too much airtime for pre 75 style racing if we're using what the tracks were like back in the pre 78/75 era as some sort of criteria. Those gnarly whoops definitely have to go but other than Nathans ideas and perhaps two or three jumps taken out and possibly replaced with a chicane or two, I like the place. Kumagutsa was never going to happen unless Nathans Jesus drops a thousand tons of loam and a ute full of chainsaws on the place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW-JgT6dipI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW-JgT6dipI)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhFMIluCreE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhFMIluCreE)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2gdztjm4Zc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2gdztjm4Zc)
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Very valid points Firko. The only thing with the removing the jumps on the back straight for example is that bike speeds would go through the roof. While that in itself is not bad it does result in big crashes or more correctly injuries when crashes do happen. I have ridden the Pre75 250 around there for probably 100 laps over the last three season and it is challenging but also very satisfying when you get it right even in its present form.
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I have ridden the Pre75 250 around there for probably 100 laps over the last three season and it is challenging but also very satisfying when you get it right even in its present form.
I'll admit up front that I'm not entering this event.. Just commenting as an interested observer..
But surely the best thing is to find a way of getting rid of the whoops and tables etc., while still keeping the speeds down?
The track may be satisfying when you get it right, but the majority of the people thinking of entering will have one or two short practice sessions to learn the 'challenging' track.
Surely the best bet to maximise your entries is to set up a track that will suit the Weekend Warrior, not the top 10% who are gunning for the National Titles?
Let's face it, you could run the Titles as 10 laps round a tree in a flat paddock and the top 10% would still come - they'd complain the track was too easy, but they'd still come.
But if you present a track that only that top 10% have any chance of mastering, the silent majority will do just that - remain silent and not come...
I understand that it's an Aussie Title event, but it's the punters having fun that will make it a successful Aussie Title event....
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I would not consider myself to be top 10% by a long shot ::)
I also agree with your points. I surpose I was trying to put my view that massive changes are possibly not warranted and bypassing parts of the track which results in high speed straights may not be ideal either. I also have no reference points for Pre65 and Pre70 bikes.
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I would not consider myself to be top 10% by a long shot ::)
hahaha - I was perhaps generalising... ::)
And I will admit that the 10% figure was pulled straight out of my arse... ;D
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Montynut's on the money about the track overall, and particularly the three table-tops on the back straight.
The three tabletops on the back straight are basically impossible to bypass - you'd lose half the track to avoid using that bit of it.
Or bulldoze them flat and have a warp-speed straight (can't see the ACTMCC agreeing to that, even if safety isn't an issue!).
I really don't mind the main track on an old bike - the only bit I really dislike is the third tabletop (the top is angled up, and it hurts if you don't clear it), and I'm not such a fan of the old finish-line table top.
Definitely not a top 10% guy here - I'm slower than montynut! :)
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being in the bottom 10% I only want to come home in one piece, big smile and big hangover, from a great time competing with some great people. As long as the track is rideable I will be extremely happy. Think the committee will get it right, they're pride won't let them get it wrong
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Bejeebus I hope this doesn't turn to shite.
It is hard to get a club that is making good money from modern MX track to do much to accommodate VMX. Badly made table top jumps and just too rough on pre 75 bikes.
And people wonder why I have such distant for MNSW. QLD shame us again with there great felicities.
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Once again just thinking out aloud, could one or perhaps two of the back straight tables be taken out and replaced with a chicane to wash off some back straight warp speed? I've never ridden the track and I doubt I ever will but surely there's a way of turning that back section into something that resembles seventies era track design? To my eyes there appears to be way too many table top style jumps, something that didn't exist back then. I also understand that beggars can't be choosers and we have to find a compromise within the given parameters. In theory I don't object to table top jumps, it's just that I don't like the idea of jumping becoming the main focus of the track, that's not how motocross was during the pre 75 era. I'd hate to be racing 300lbs of Metisse for too many laps over those tabletops. I'm going to Canberra next Tuesday for the Brumbies v British Lions rugby game so I might see if we can go down in the morning and go out to the track and have a close look at the layout, and perhaps take some shots.
After the Post Classic stuff up we can't afford to get this wrong so I'm more than willing to offer any expertise I might (or might not ::)) have to the organising team. If this goes pear shape for any reason we'll have only ourselves to blame so lets work to make it work.
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Nationals contact Fred Senger 0418 626 992
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I've watched this unfold from a distance, and have not offered any comment to date simply because I am not involved but being the OzVMX 'owner' I could be seen to have a part to play. However I am not assisting the club in any way nor am I wanting to be seen to be influencing anyone.
Simply put, although I am in Canberra and run this website, I am not on the club committee nor am I in any way involved in Vintage Motocross in Canberra. I no longer have any active participation in Vintage Motocross and limit my active role in racing to modern dirt track.
With that in mind, anyone with concerns about the Nats for 2013 should contact the club in the first instance. I understand Fred Senger is the main man for the titles and is the driver for the use of the Karmagutza track.
That said, of course people WILL discuss this event on this forum. I hope that early and accurate feedback is offered so that prospective entrants will know exactly what the state of play is, and I hope the club takes whatever steps are necessary to ensure the success of the event.
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Once again just thinking out aloud, could one or perhaps two of the back straight tables be taken out and replaced with a chicane to wash off some back straight warp speed? I've never ridden the track and I doubt I ever will but surely there's a way of turning that back section into something that resembles seventies era track design? To my eyes there appears to be way too many table top style jumps, something that didn't exist back then.
So are you thinking something along the lines of this?
(http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/vintage_addict/Share/vmx_alt_layout_01.jpg) (http://s427.photobucket.com/user/vintage_addict/media/Share/vmx_alt_layout_01.jpg.html)
Turns 3,4&9 would need to allow more safety run off from the opposing corners, the first of the back straight table tops would be slowed down with a downhill left off the top of it into turn 6, but with run off in case the take off was over cooked. Remaining tabletops could have the sharp face rounded off, current whoops bypassed as well as finishing tabletop. Turn 16 could be a little too close to 14, but is probably within the same parameters as the current 12 to 15.
Bit along the dam adjacent the triple TT may be a little narrow.......
Anyway, food for thought.
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Thanks GT, that's a good start to some tweaking and it doesn't look as if it'd be all that invasive on the original track design. I can clearly see that my idea of a chicane of sorts on the back straight wouldn't have enough room. Good stuff.
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I've never looked carefully, but I think the land to the left of the back straight is full of drainage ditches, water pipes and the like.
On the right, the trees and fence are definitely too close.
The change to 'turn 4' is not realistic - there's a fairly deep gully/cut out between the small table top and turn 4. There would be a 2~3' tall vertical wall midway through turn 4, as proposed.
Turn 4 is a low speed corner, with a noticeable vertical drop on the outside - not a place that is prone to people running wide. The good line is usually on the inside of the track too.
Perhaps some bay bales would suffice? (Is this acceptable from MA's point of view?).
The existing Turn 3 is a highlight, particularly when prepared properly - always has two good lines (often three) and allows a lot of passing opportunities. Beginning the diversion around the whoops later would probably avoid the drama of changing turn 3.
The proposed change to turn 9 would minimise the issues with the large tabletop after it (#9 in my list last night). It may make the preceding step-down table top a larger issue - it's got a fairly steep down hill there, and slowing to get around the revised Turn 9 could be a problem.
Who knows if the club will want to mess with its track to this extent, particularly when we're supposed to be racing on Kumagutsa...
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I think that to make these sort of changes and to get the track re-licenced would be asking a bit too much for the club to do for a one-off event.
All this talk is doing is planting further doubt in the minds of would be competitors.
So let's point out that HEAVEN has been running successful meetings at this venue for as long as I can remember. The track has mostly been presented in a relatively vintage friendly state (especially when 555 was prepping it) ;D and I can't see any reason why it would be different for the titles.
Yes tabletops are challenging for older bikes and depending on the rider newer eras too. But we RIDE TO THE CONDITIONS. There is no law that says you have to clear every obstacle on the track!
Instead of pointing out the downside of this track I think we owe the promoters the courtesy of trying to rev up interest in the titles as much as possible.
Cheers
Shaun
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Brilliant! Just under 20 weeks to go and now,(from what I have been reading), we have a stick thrown into the front wheel. When it's convenient can someone let me know if I should cease co-ordinating the container? I don't need the grief. After several attempts to get in touch with Fred Senger regarding logistics for the delivery of the container I cannot seem to open the lines of communication. We have nearly 26 bikes booked for Canberra and it would be a great shame to can it now. I have competed at 5 nats since 2006 and have enjoyed all of them. I for one know how much hard work goes into organising a national championships (WA ran 2006), and WA guys have supported just about every nats since. What can we, (the vmx community), do to get this sorted? Is MA prepared to assist? God only knows how much money we put into their coffers in licence fees and levies! ???
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Relax Nick and get back in the shed!!!
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Surely either one track or the other will be ready. I like the sound of the modern track simply because I like air time. With someone like Dennis in the mix it will be in good hands.
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Fair enough. But for me the only British machinery that got "air time" in the same era as my earliest bike was the spitfire fighter or if I was to liken it to my AJS it would have been the Lancaster bomber, ( although that might have been a few pounds lighter!). :D
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I think that Karma Gutsa is one of the best Natural Terrain tracks I have ever ridden and has the potential to be an asset to our sport, and it is one of the funnest tracks to ride, which is why we do this isn't it? I completely understand that the track needs to be a fun and safe ride for all levels of rider. Having walked it recently, with the equipment available in that complex, I don't think it would require that much work to be sensational for all levels.
I don't understand this fascination with rocks on the circuit. We raced Lake Glenbawn recently and every time you walk that track you come across rocks on the circuit, big ones. It is dirt bikes we are racing and as long as the big ones are removed during track prep, we should be fine. Everyone should be wearing chest protectors if they race dirt bikes anyway.
A truck load of old tyres, and a solid couple of days work for a few guys would provide the necessary padding for the handful of trees which are too close to the edge of the track.
The main issue I don't see an obvious solution for is dust, but there are enough brilliant minds and resourceful people connected with this sport, that if we work together, we could find a solution.
If the organizers need some volunteers to come help work on the track, if it was planned to fit into our race schedule I'd be willing to come help, the payoff would be worth it. A working bee weekend where you could camp there, work on the track for one day and ride it the next would be great fun.
With regards to the other track, it is an excellent track as well, especially turn 11, and the simple, cheap, quick solution to slow down the riders through the table tops is to create a sand trap just before the up ramps of the table tops or in the corners before. Its a natural terrain solution and it would turn the table tops into obstacles rather than flat out jumps.
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is to create a sand trap
Or just extend the up and down ramps too a gradual slope !!
Good on the ACTMCC for putting there hand up ..full support here :)
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KJ222 has the right attitude. F the nay sayers.
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regarding any track albiet in this instance what we have done on modern tracks is lay out black plastic on the faces. dump some soil so its more like a mound and then after the event, they take the soil off with a bobcat until they see the plastic then its all done ! hey presto !!!!!
track is the same just easyily dumbed down, should need a relicence either as every thing is still in the same place. just rounder :O)
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A truck load of old tyres, and a solid couple of days work for a few guys would provide the necessary padding for the handful of trees which are too close to the edge of the track.
The main issue I don't see an obvious solution for is dust, but there are enough brilliant minds and resourceful people connected with this sport, that if we work together, we could find a solution.
Some of the trees are less than a car tyre's diameter off the track... I don't know if MNSW accepts tyres as suitable padding.
The solution of the dust issue is to rip a whole lot of organic material into the track and let it sit for a couple of months. And then repeat at least once more before the event.
I rode Kumagutsa late last year on an ACTMCC rec ride day. As much as I enjoyed it, it wasn't fit for a club day at the time - and has only deteriorated since then.
It has SO much potential, but band-aid fixes and a couple of helpers are not going to turn it into a decent race track before November.
A solid plan, and the troops rallied might make for a different outcome, but in their absence I think tweaks to make the main track old-bike friendly are a far better option.
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As long as there is camping, willing to ride anything [sloppy, rocky, dusty, table tops, obstacles, what ever]. As the event is not that far away a decision needs to be made on what track, so available workers can do what there able and then it is what it is.
Cant wait to ride, catch up and suck up the atmosphere.
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You want an up date on the track well we have tonnes of dirt ready to top the track but this is be done closer to the event so its dosent end up down in the dam , dust control is sorted , dozer booked in a couple of weeks time and lastley thanks to the pea brain who contacted ma reguarding about the event having no confidence in the club to having the track ready ::)
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Great update Eric, well said re MA comment.
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It would appear the club has everything under control. Just let them get on with it. MA has given the promotion of this Championship to the club so they are the ones who make the decisions. Lets all be positive and do our part to make the Championship successful. So get your bikes ready and enter for the meeting.
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Good news, I'm glad to hear the club finally has it in hand. It'd be a great idea however if the name calling ("pea brain") was left out of it. I don't know who Pea Brain was but I'm pretty sure he was acting in the best interests of a very concerned classic population . The problems are the usual ....a lack of perceived progress on upgrades to a track that obviously needs it and no information forthcoming from the club. That was all that was needed to spook the racers, already gun shy from the Post Classic Nats cancellation fiasco. Let's now move on and look forward to a great meeting on a well groomed Kumagutza ;). An occasional update post from Ekka or other club representatives would be a nice touch as well.
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I'm with you Mark, people are coming from many thousands of km's away and it's not cheap as well as time off work, it's up to the club to keep people informed on what's going on especially when they know the facilities need upgrading. Nobody wants to go to a nightmare in the making.
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Definetly a pea brain.
Who does that shit anyway.
Why would you not contact one of the club rep's.
That's so f''''''''''ed up
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Nailed it Shoey. But I reckon pea brain is too mild a term.
If you have concerns the right thing to do would be to contact the club and ask questions.
Running to MA not only belittles the promoting club it also makes you look like a absolute fork wit.
Cheers
Shaun
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Are there any jumps on the Kamagutsa track?
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Brad it is a true natural terrain motocross track that has quite an elevation change from the bottom to the top. There is one jump that stands out in my mind, a downhill ski jump that you hit pinned in top gear. This section of the track alone makes it an awesome track to ride.
Yes there is a lot of work to do before it is in the sort of condition it was last raced in but I have every confidence in the ACTMCC.
Believe what Ekka says. He is part of the team that will see it done.
Cheers
Shaun
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Just read this whole thread and really really hope everything is going to be okay with the event as I'm entering myself and 2 other competitors on some of my bikes. We've already started prepping the bikes, testing etc (as they are the next gen riders but have not previously ridden VMX bikes which is a fun exercise in itself ... ;D) but I don't want to be doing all this if there is any chance the event will plummet like the post classic titles.
I don't mind banging handlebars through he scrub (which is what the track reminded me of in the video) and have done so for years although usually with only a couple of other riders not 30 angry trophy hunters ;D ;D
I must admit watching the youtube vid didn't fill me full of hope (more the dust than anything) but after reading the last couple of pages it seems the club has things in hand ... right??
I want to have faith the club and organisers will put on a great event .. but being from Qld and not knowing many in the scene, is that faith well placed guys?
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Thanks Shaun. I was just curious.
I think Shaun's post previous to yours Simo answers your question.
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I am extremely excited about this event now. A very generous fellow club member has kindly offered for me to ride a pre 78 bike he isn't planning to ride. Kumagutsa is a hell of a track and will be great fun to ride. This track has it all, a variety of elevation changes, with some big uphill and downhill sections, some fast sweeping corners, some long fast straights and some roller coaster dips and rises, and the best of all, the jumps are like they were back in the day, no doubles or triples. We are going to have a great time.
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wide enough for sidecars??
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wide enough for sidecars??
Vaughan,
the amount of time you guys spend on the side of the track,
no track will ever be wide enough for you lot ;D
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When are you building one Vandy ??? ??? ???
You've got plenty of old Yam shite.....any SC500s BTW?
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1~never
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2~no :)
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So I rode Kumagutsa again today.
It's a LOT better than last time - its had a grader over it in the last few week - track is now a decent width all the way around, and a lot of the square edges have gone.
Apparently an MA track inspector was out to look at it during the week, and has not demanded too much - mostly some tyres around trees near to the track.
The ARE piles of dirt that are going to be ripped into the track six weeks before the event. I still reckon it needs more organic material, but it should be alright. One comment was along the lines of "it's only really being prepped to race standard for the CMX Titles, we're not building it as a full-blown long term race track" (NB: not a direct quote).
There's still plenty of rocks - I copped one on the face-guard of my helmet at a good speed. Hopefully the soil on top will hide the vast majority of them.
And, the most important bit: it is actually a lot of fun. I did about twenty laps. There's one bit where there's a long left hander into a short, relatively steep hill - the hill is straight, but you sort of are still turning left up it. Both bikes could be held WFO up the hill, with the front wheel off the ground, steering by using The Force alone.
Goddam it's fast too - with no "race face" and an unprepared track, I still saw 85kph on the modern.
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the youtube video you are about to watch is of the track as Nat spoke of but this is not the finish of the work on the track , it is still to be topped with more dirt and so on .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09ecJzZzHbU&feature=youtu.be
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Thanks for the update, looks much better and will be better still by the time the event is run.
Awesome works guys and gals.
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the youtube video you are about to watch is of the track as Nat spoke of but this is not the finish of the work on the track , it is still to be topped with more dirt and so on .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09ecJzZzHbU&feature=youtu.be
The track is open and fast - but not as open as it looks in the video.
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Man that looks so much better than the last time I rode it. Awesome effort Eric and the rest of the workers.
I hope that the club changes its mind about the long term use of the track. After the Nats I reckon the NSW vintage fraternity will be keen to run events there. I know our club will ;D ;D ;D
Hopefully track concerns can be put to bed now and we can all get together to support ACTMCC to put a great event.
Cheers
Shaun
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Looks fantastic, great work guys. Only 4 months away now, excitement is building.
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Wow, I'm impressed. Good work......I think we can now look forward without any worries to a great Nats on a great open class track.... ;D.
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Still no answer on the width for sidecars....I take it they're not keen for us to come.
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What's the question? The track is now proper MA width (at least), although my non-tricycle-trained eyes think there might be a few spots where two tricycles side by side would be cosy.
A fair bit of the track has embankments on either or both sides. Some banks are vertical, most are angled. Some are quite high (a couple of feet), most are a foot high or less. This creates a feeling that the track is narrower than it really is.
I've got a few photos on my phone - but no way of uploading them. I can SMS them to anyone who will upload them and post them up. Just send me your number.
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What's the question? The track is now proper MA width (at least), although my non-tricycle-trained eyes think there might be a few spots where two tricycles side by side would be cosy.
Nathan your making that common mistake people make that those trolleys actually pass each other ::)
How did Joan put it at Connondale " look at this procession of flucking wobblers taking up valuable track time FFS " ;D
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For the track to comply to MA Track Standards it should be a minimum of 7 metres wide. A TRA can be used in places it can't be changed, but only in extreme circumstances. Also remember MA are the RCB.
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I don't know the particulars for Kumagutza but you'd be battling to find a track anywhere in NSW or the ACT that's been designed with sidecars in mind. If there are any special sidecar compliances needed for a motocross track layout, it'd be doubtful they would be considered when licencing a circuit. I know it's hard to believe to those who live in the states that still have sidecar motocross but sidecars haven't been a part of the average motocross program in NSW or ACT for forty odd years.
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SO..... tell me Bill, was he on one at the time when he was mentioning this to you? If he was, he was most likely the reason it was 'wobbling' ;)
As has been mentioned, as long as there is a good start straight, most will be sorted out by then.
'tis a shame that we are such a hassle for most clubs,we are however part of the history of this sport and do need to been seen even if it is only as a deformed sibling. SORRY about that. Perhaps we could apply for a disability pension from Gillards new fund :D
'tis also a shame that Aust is such a wide brown land as it makes it very difficult to get all the wobblers in one place at one time.
We still pay for a licence and entries the same as able bodied motocrossers FFS!
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No he was spectating at drunks at the time , where a couple of you were clearing it but most were just wobbling around ,CD7 I think ;)
You will get no argument from me that a full field of sidecars at race speed is possibly the most exciting form of motorsport to any spectator . Some of the pics you and others post from Europe are spectacular but a very very long way from what is seen in Australian VMX .
Looking from the outside in the whole sidecar deal looks disjointed and out of step ??? lots of in fighting and VMX classes that don't seem to suit what people have in their sheds, very small fields and a high mechanical attrition rate at meetings ???
I know that the older solo classes struggle to get numbers (you yourself did your bit last Nats to boost pre 60 numbers ) but the general populas at meetings can relate to solos even the older ones .
With the trolleys very few people have probably ever witnessed great or even good trolley racing and even less have experienced it either as a driver or swinger , so there is no connection .
Only my opinion but the VMX sidecar brigade are their own worst enemy , provide good grids of reliable rigs and put on some good close racing and event promoters will be doing all they can to get trolleys on the programe as they will draw a big spectator crowd .
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To my knowledge there are no special track requirements for sidecars (or quads) other than they will use two gates. So if there are 40 gates 20 sidecars (or quads) can start, 15 for 30 gates. The 2013 MOMS lists 1st, 2nd and 3rd places for the Pre 1975 Sidecars up to 1300 Championship class at the 2012 Australian Classic MX Championships so why wouldn't the Championship class be run this year. Why not ask MA. Sidecars are part of vintage MX, at least they aren't like the Road Race ones that leak oil on the track which requires a delay to clean it up. Then again they might leak but we don't see it.
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Still no answer on the width for sidecars....I take it they're not keen for us to come.
Vaughn
Have I answered your questions/doubts
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the youtube video you are about to watch is of the track as Nat spoke of but this is not the finish of the work on the track , it is still to be topped with more dirt and so on .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09ecJzZzHbU&feature=youtu.be
I have watched this video and while I can't measure it by just viewing the video, I didn't see anything that probably can't be handled by a TRA or two. Clearly dust control could be an issue but I'm sure the club is preparing for it.
Lets all be positive and support the club.
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Thanks KTM47......Not really my concerns. As long as there is somewhere to pass it will all be good. If it's good enough for solos, we'll fit in.
I am terribly sorry that we can't be more exciting or competitive. Oh, and that we have some issues with reliability. We are at least as competitive and as reliable as the solos that get around in most classes.
If we want to stand back and sling mud, not much of any racing we all do is worth watching and in reality, that's not what we're about. I think we're more interested in massaging our own egos in remembering how good we might have once been :)
Looks like it might be time to park the Wasp up. >:(
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Man that looks so much better than the last time I rode it. Awesome effort Eric and the rest of the workers.
I hope that the club changes its mind about the long term use of the track. After the Nats I reckon the NSW vintage fraternity will be keen to run events there. I know our club will ;D ;D ;D
Hopefully track concerns can be put to bed now and we can all get together to support ACTMCC to put a great event.
Cheers
Shaun
I ve done none of the lastest work Shaun its been the club itself
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For the track to comply to MA Track Standards it should be a minimum of 7 metres wide. A TRA can be used in places it can't be changed, but only in extreme circumstances. Also remember MA are the RCB.
The minimum is 6 metres not 7
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If the track has 31 to 40 start gates it has to be 7 metres wide. If it has 30 gates or less it is 6 metres. Just make it 7 metres wide and that way you have the option to go to forty start gates. That's what it says in the Track Standards printout I got at the Track Inspector's course. Also that is how wide the track at QMP was last year.
Kevin
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Sorry I haven't got time to read the whole thread again (been a while since I did), but are the entry forms out yet?
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Sorry I haven't got time to read the whole thread again (been a while since I did), but are the entry forms out yet?
Usualy 2/3 months before event date.
cheers
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Having never ridden at titles before could someone enlighten me as to how the race order/program is run ? If all goes well I am planning to get up to Canberra in November with a couple of bikes but don't want to be racing one after the other. Regards Terry
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They sort the race order out once all the entries are in and they can see who's entered what classes.
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Thanks JohnnyO ,I thought there would have been a standard format that they follow. I guess I will just have to enter and see what unfolds.
Cheers Terry.
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Any news on how the track is coming and if it's license for the event?
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Just got off the phone to Fred Senger (0418 626 992 as previously posted by Ali) enquiring about camping and Supp regs. A very easy guy to talk to.
From the horses mouth "plenty of room for camping in the pits" and "Supp regs going to MA next week so, depending on how long they take to approve, they should be out in the near future"
Awesome ;D
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Can anyone confirm the location of kumagutsa. Is it the track just north of the dirt track
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Can anyone confirm the location of kumagutsa. Is it the track just north of the dirt track
Yes that's the one , Tossa, drove around the track with Fred a couple of weeks ago, saw the BIIG heaps of topsoil ready to be spread on the surface closer to the day with more to come , should be great !!.
Foss
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thanks, just going through the arrangements this end and reminding people ACT is only a small state. Should have a container load of bikes coming over for the event. Everybody in training, not!!!lol
Barry
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Just letting all you mad keen vmx is that the club as handed the titles back to ma . I'm personally disappointed after the work that the club has put into the track and the weekends I've worked out there instead of going to other vmx evevts riding . I have a letter from the club pres explains the reasons to the discussion of the hand back . >:(
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Bloody hell!!! After a string of highly successfull Classic Nats, this happens.
Should wait untill reasons are known, but sounds like as functional as the main game in Canberra.
Who will jump in and pull this one out of the hat?
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Just letting all you mad keen vmx is that the club as handed the titles back to ma . I'm personally disappointed after the work that the club has put into the track and the weekends I've worked out there instead of going to other vmx evevts riding . I have a letter from the club pres explains the reasons to the discussion of the hand back . >:(
So what are the reasons?
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Bloody hell!!! After a string of highly successfull Classic Nats, this happens.
Should wait untill reasons are known, but sounds like as functional as the main game in Canberra.
Who will jump in and pull this one out of the hat?
Conondale to the rescue? Noel?
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MEDIA RELEASE
ACTMCC Withdraws Bid for 2013 Australian Classic Motocross Championships
The President of the ACT Motorcycle Club, Mr Kevin MacGregor has announced the club has withdrawn its bid to host the 2013 Australian Classic Motocross Championships.
Mr MacGregor said “The ACTMCC has a long and proud history of presenting successful state and national titles. So is with a great deal of regret and careful consideration that the club has reluctantly advised Motorcycling Australia of this decision”
“The ACTMCC has worked closely with Motorcycling Australia to prepare for this event and has undertaken extensive work on the redevelopment of the Kumagutsa circuit, with final preparation of the circuit planned at the end of winter” he said.
Mr Macgregor acknowledged the concerns raised by a few members of the classic motocross community about the preparedness of the Kumagutsa circuit. Mr MacGregor said “this was a little disappointing given the ACTMCC’s successful history, unwavering commitment to rider safety and professional events team”.
Mr Macgregor went on to say “these concerns resulted in Motorcycling Australia being required to provide a higher level of scrutiny than the ACTMCC has previously experienced. This in turn resulted in cost overruns and in this difficult economic climate additional corporate support was unable to be secured to ensure the success of the event”.
“The ACTMCC withdrawal will enable Motorcycling Australia to focus on the remaining bids to host this event. We wish the host club and the event every success” Mr MacGregor added.
Mr MacGregor also thanked the sponsors that had committed to the event and advised the ACTMCC would be in contact to annul their agreements.
Kevin MacGregor
President
Approved for release 9 August 2013.
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Sad day :'(
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Conondale to the rescue? Noel?
Time of the year is a major concern.
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Yes your right, NSR. That was the only reason I was not able to go, other than that I would have loved to race there again . The last time this happened was Colac club in 04 I think . Iain
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Lets hope some club has the balls to pull this one out of the shithole. What a bloody shame. :-[
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Quote from: Motorcycling Australia is pleased to state that an exciting announcement regarding a new host for the 2013 Australian Classic Motocross Championship will be made in the coming days!
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Quote from: Motorcycling Australia is pleased to state that an exciting announcement regarding a new host for the 2013 Australian Classic Motocross Championship will be made in the coming days!
Awesome news :)
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See, have faith.
Let the fun begin
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Quote from: Motorcycling Australia is pleased to state that an exciting announcement regarding a new host for the 2013 Australian Classic Motocross Championship will be made in the coming days!
Great lets make it happen.
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Excellent news... Gentlemen (and others), start your engines! YEEHA
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If MA want to make money they will pull out all stops.
Any business would.
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If MA want to make money they will pull out all stops.
Any business would.
You'll probably find its forum members doing the hard yards for the good of the riders !
Cheers
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My thoughts exactly Ali.
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Watch this space
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We are ! ;) I know Qld has had plenty going on this year, here is hoping they can pull it off down south so the split can work.
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Watch this space
Watching with much anticipation Col. When do you think we might have some news?
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When do you think we might have some news?
Not far off. I've been ringing the usual suspects all morning but nobody's answering. I just got an unsubstantiated PM from someone which, if true will make a lot of punters happy. I won't repeat it in case it's wrong.
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When do you think we might have some news?
Not far off. I've been ringing the usual suspects all morning but nobody's answering. I just got an unsubstantiated PM from someone which, if true will make a lot of punters happy. I won't repeat it in case it's wrong.
Oh you're a bloody tease Firko ;) ;D
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Been holding my breath all morning!
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You'll need your camping gear Nathan - road trip ;)
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Big or little road trip?
More than five hours drive, or less? Or somewhere very close to five hours drive?
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I occassionally check in with at the MA website but no updates yet. Although we're not alone ... the Indian round of the WSBK has been cancelled it seems.
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Patience Grasshopper.
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Big or little road trip?
More than five hours drive, or less? Or somewhere very close to five hours drive?
Other than Canberra everything is 5hrs from Yass ;D
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Says the man from the big smoke :-X
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Isn't today (tuesday) supposed to be the day of the big announcement?
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THE DAY IS ONLY YOUNG MY BOY.....or so say MA ;)
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I really hope that as many racers as possible support the event once its announced. The short and long term health of our sport at a National level is relying on the success of this meeting.
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Any news .
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Any news .
ring Col Metcher or Shane Fraser.
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Or just wait....
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I really hope that as many racers as possible support the event once its announced. The short and long term health of our sport at a National level is relying on the success of this meeting.
Once it is announced people can work out if they can make the trip..... I'm there, wherever THERE is ::)
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Once it is announced people can work out if they can make the trip..... I'm there, wherever THERE is ::)
TBM,
Going by the deafening silence on here, I would say a lot of people already know where it is going to be held. Shame we don't.
Stan.
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Going by the deafening silence on here, I would say a lot of people already know where it is going to be held. Shame we don't
I think its now fairly common knowledge but its probably not good manners to pre-empt the official announcement. I wonder what the delay is? The sooner the news is out the quicker we can get our act together.
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Once it is announced people can work out if they can make the trip..... I'm there, wherever THERE is ::)
TBM,
Going by the deafening silence on here, I would say a lot of people already know where it is going to be held. Shame we don't.
Stan.
I don't think anyone knows Stan .. I certainly don't. I think the silence is because people are waiting to hear the news (if there is in fact any news).
EDIT - Forgot to add I'm just watching the MA website like everyone else ..waiting to hear any news :)
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MA made the decision Monday as promised and were about to put it on the website Tuesday. A hiccup caused that to be witheld. The delays are not due to MA or any State body, nor the commission, so let's not have any finger pointing in that direction.
A lot of work and thought has gone on to try and retrieve the 2013 Nats and it is looking positive, however a final and official decision will be announced tomorrow.
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If MA want to govern these events, surely they should be taking the financial responsibility and not the clubs who are not for profit organizations. No club should ever be faced with debt if conducting a National Title and MA should take this fear away, first by guaranteeing the financial viability and then assisting with the running, so we don't have the volunteers of our sport being persecuted when these events fall over.
Cheers Worms
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MA made the decision Monday as promised and were about to put it on the website Tuesday. A hiccup caused that to be witheld. The delays are not due to MA or any State body, nor the commission, so let's not have any finger pointing in that direction.
A lot of work and thought has gone on to try and retrieve the 2013 Nats and it is looking positive, however a final and official decision will be announced tomorrow.
That covers it........Patience grashoppers.
Commiserations re: your Dad Col. He fitted a lot into his time on Planet Earth.
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You got that right, Firko. I was lucky enough to share a dinner table at Narrogin with Colin and his dad when Peter Ploen was over for the VMXWA 15th anniversary, and we had an absolute hoot of an evening as yarn after ripping yarn poured forth from that amazing man. Made us all look like time-wasting sissies by comparison !
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Thanks for the kind words re Dad. He had a great innings, passed away at 98, still flying aerobatics four weeks before.
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Thanks for the kind words re Dad. He had a great innings, passed away at 98, still flying aerobatics four weeks before.
Wow that is awesome!
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I wondered what GD66 was on about, until I read this:
... passed away at 98, still flying aerobatics four weeks before.
My sympathies Col - sounds like a bloke who really knew how to live.
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If MA want to govern these events, surely they should be taking the financial responsibility and not the clubs who are not for profit organizations. No club should ever be faced with debt if conducting a National Title and MA should take this fear away, first by guaranteeing the financial viability and then assisting with the running, so we don't have the volunteers of our sport being persecuted when these events fall over.
Cheers Worms
Come on Trevor do you really think MA should take financial responsibility for Championships run under them? It's just not practical if you consider all the Championships they permit, MX, DT RR, Enduro, Speedway etc, etc, etc. ACUNSW went brook running a race meeting and yes it was a Motorcycle GP. MA's job is to administrate and assist as much as they can to make sure Clubs/Promoters are successful. Or do you think it should only apply to Classic MX.
Col my commiserations also.
Kevin
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Thanks for the kind words re Dad. He had a great innings, passed away at 98, still flying aerobatics four weeks before
I guess getting him together with my old Mum won't be happening now Col ::). That would have made us step brothers, a rather scary thought :o. From what you've told me of the old fella he was certainly a doer and I know you are very proud of his achievements. Pity he didn't hang in there for the letter from the queen though.
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my condolences Col,
There has to be a better way Kev, that's what I think, and it has to come from the top.
Cheers Worms
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Maybe there is a better way, but now probably isn't the right time to start discussing it in an open forum. We all need to be positive and move forward.
I have several ideas but they are for another time.
Kevin
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I don't agree on either point Kev, but that is why it's a forum.
cheers worms
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MA made the decision Monday as promised and were about to put it on the website Tuesday. A hiccup caused that to be witheld. The delays are not due to MA or any State body, nor the commission, so let's not have any finger pointing in that direction.
A lot of work and thought has gone on to try and retrieve the 2013 Nats and it is looking positive, however a final and official decision will be announced tomorrow.
No finger pointing that I can see here Col?? In fact just some quiet banter amongst like minded enthusiasts who want the event to go ahead. I did what little a nobody like me could do to try and help get ACTMCC and MA together however that didn't work so I was out of ideas quicker than I run out of talent on the track.
Glad to hear you have stepped up to help sort the mess out as well and like many I will be glad to hear of any alternative that is run under MA auspices.
All very positive from my direction .. just patiently waiting to hear some positive news :)
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Can we get a state for this rumour, at the least?
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Can we get a state for this rumour, at the least?
about one hours drive for one of us.... And it ain't you! :P
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So Qld again.
14 hours in the car isn't as nice as <1, but it is a lot better than none....
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That's ok its only a 7 hour drive from where I live..
Always look forward to having an extra long weekend of VMX racing in QLD. 8)
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Nah it's all just gossip.nothing set in stone yet.
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gossip whore brAD... :)
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gossip whore brAD... :)
caps lock fiend freAKY... ;D
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It's some sort of code, right?
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nope you just excentuate and roll the AAAAAD
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The 2013 Classic MX National Championships will be held at Queensland Moto Park, Wyaralong on 1,2 &3 November 2013.
Promoted and underwritten by Motorcycling Queensland, and assisted by basically the same team as organised the 2012 event.
Format is virtually the same as last year, with scrutineering and sign on Friday afternoon, back up sign,on track inspection (walk and ride), and racing Saturday, racing and presentation Sunday.
Entry will be by mail and Nominate.
Camping on site.
Sup regs asap (probably Monday)
Only confirmed an hour ago, so couldn't advise sooner.
We need the whole VMX community to get behind this, so please assist by getting entries in early. Please promote the event to the wider VMX family
We also need assistance to attract sponsors, and will have packages from naming rights to small support prizes (much like last year)
Enquiries to [email protected]
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Struth! :)
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Congratulations MQ for taking this on at short notice, and a big thanks to you Col for keeping all informed. I am sure it will be a very good event.
What a pity MNSW couldn't have done the same thing
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What a pity MNSW couldn't have done the same thing
THE quote of the thread.
Here's to a successful event.
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A big thankyou must go to Col, he is a first rate organiser that gets on with the job.
His pull no punches style is what an event like this (the nationals) needs, he is a credit to the VMX community.
As Brad said here's to a successful event.
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Thanks Col and yes I will be there.
Any chance of age groups for pre 78?
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It's a good idea. Could only be "support". Drum up some sponsorship and we'll do something
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Good stuff. Not allowed to say " I told yopu so" (according to mum) but despite what some say, these events (nats and even state champs) should be underwritten by MQ/MA etc... they are their titles that we challenge for and it is up to them to award them. There is little or no "heritage" in any other sort of races.
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Your Mum's right Vaughn, only positives from now on and let's all work together on this.
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time to repack the container oops sorry re-address the container. Bring the lime and salt Firko!!! Party time
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Bring the lime and salt Firko!!! Party time
Lime, salt, Tequila, Margarita mix, blender, Cheney RT1, DT1 ratbike, Boyd and Stellings TM400, pitbike, Quickshade, tent, pump up mattress and anything else I can fit into the Jeep and trailer. I wouldn't miss this for quids. Congratulations to MAQ, Colin Supersenior and the organising team, you've made an old bloke very happy.
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Anyone up in Qld able to provide a chair for a couple of our young charges Sarah and Robert Dillion from WA. They are presently touring Australia. This is one of those feel good stories, with Sarah having survived a cancer scare and now having a year off touring Australia with her brother and best friend Robert
Sara is the pilot and Robert the cement bag and she can push a unit pretty damn well. They are not bike floggers
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Anyone up in Qld able to provide a chair for a couple of our young charges Sarah and Robert Dillion from WA
I'm supplying them a solo each...whichever one gets the TM400 is in for a cheap thrill ;D
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Send them both up Mark, we'll wack a chair on each and race 'em, the cut them off and send them home, you wont know it even happened.
BTW Vern rode very well at Nudgee club day last Sunday. Impressed.
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It's good to have the old bugger back at the races eh Vaughn? He had a great time at Buladelah too and has promised to come down for the CRC. We need to work on him for the Nats. I'd rather roll in dogshit than let my lovely solo's anywhere near you shopping trolley butchers ;D. I'll be there with the bikes just to keep the angle iron and water pipe engineers well away from them 8).
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Just glad there are so many helpful people on the forum. Only worry is my alcohol bill is going to bigger than flight costs. But that's normal!!lol
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It's good to have the old bugger back at the races eh Vaughn? He had a great time at Buladelah too and has promised to come down for the CRC. We need to work on him for the Nats. I'd rather roll in dogshit than let my lovely solo's anywhere near you shopping trolley butchers ;D. I'll be there with the bikes just to keep the angle iron and water pipe engineers well away from them 8).
NO NO NO we were just going down to Woolies to grab some trolleys and zip tie them on :D
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[email protected]
Is this paypal friendly ??
cheers
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Eml get the ones from woolies 2 bucks a trolley ;)
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Cheques, money orders or quote card for mailed entries, or" Nominate". Sup regs in to MA later today, on wbsite Mond (I hope)
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Col - can I sponsor a "Magoo" clubman award again?
cheers
Rossco
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It's good to have the old bugger back at the races eh Vaughn? He had a great time at Buladelah too and has promised to come down for the CRC. We need to work on him for the Nats.
Vern has already entered the CRC 8) and I encouraged him for the Nationals. I suggested to him that the new location much easier for him 8)
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Certainly Rossco, most welcome.
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Col, are you handling the class sponsors? If so I would be interested.
Shane
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Eml get the ones from woolies 2 bucks a trolley ;)
I get the ones with wobbly wheels to loan out to my "mates" ;D
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You better pack a hydro pack as well, it will be warm out there!
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Can't be any worse than Feb at Tivoli used to be in the 70's
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You where a tad younger then. :)
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Who??? Me??? only as young as the one you feel.
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Getting in some laps on the Wyaralong track today..
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Thank you and congratulations to Col and the team for your efforts in making the nats happening.
Also like to thank Tania Corbett and the MRA club in SA for there efforts also to nominate at short notice to make sure this event would go ahead.
Last year I was the first entry for these nats and challenge everyone for this years first [correct] entry.
Cheers Troy
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Getting in some laps on the Wyaralong track today..
(http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc374/JohnnyO31/image_zpsba205eac.jpg)[/URL]
And the psyching out starts already John ;) ;D
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Col I will not be able to come , due to work but I'd like to sponsor the pre 70 250 class . Iain
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That's a pretty trick pre 78 ride u practicing on the John ;D I might make this now it's only a 3 hr trip away any further and the cook might whinge ;) to close to temora for to big roadies away
AL.
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That's a pretty trick pre 78 ride u practicing on the John
It's a SexMax Evo bike mate..
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That's a pretty trick pre 78 ride u practicing on the John
It's a SexMax Evo bike mate..
Haha. Are they oem tyres?
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That's a pretty trick pre 78 ride u practicing on the John
It's a SexMax Evo bike mate..
GOLD ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Quote from: hagon_84 on Today at 08:59:36 PM
That's a pretty trick pre 78 ride u practicing on the John
It's a SexMax Evo bike mate..
OK John, I dare you to put SexMax graphics on it. If you get some made I'll go halfsies with you ;D.
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Johnny O, you sure it follows the right lines :P
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Johnny O, you sure it follows the right lines :P
Its OEM
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Quote from: hagon_84 on Today at 08:59:36 PM
That's a pretty trick pre 78 ride u practicing on the John
It's a SexMax Evo bike mate..
OK John, I dare you to put SexMax graphics on it. If you get some made I'll go halfsies with you ;D.
I'd love to Firko if it was my bike..
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I'd love to Firko if it was my bike..
Oh, Good point ;D
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Well done to Col for his drive and passion to save the event, Lindsey of MQ is a great supporter of vinatge and he obviously had something to with this, we are very lucky in Queensland to have such great passion for our sport.
good luck to all those that come, I would love to be a sponsor, but just cant justify it, with the current ecconomic climate.
cheers worms
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$100 for "Best performance by a Yamaha", you know you really want to.
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$100 for "Best performance by a Yamaha", you know you really want to.
Let's include the sidecars in that this time --OK?
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That's a pretty trick pre 78 ride u practicing on the John
It's a SexMax Evo bike mate..
Positive input?
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That's a pretty trick pre 78 ride u practicing on the John
It's a SexMax Evo bike mate..
Positive input?
C'mon Nath, That's as funny as all faark
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That's bullshit!!
Everyone knows the SEXMAX has 3 wheels. ;D
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Hey, unless there's two people involved, doesn't that make it a WankMax??
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My point exactly....thankyou IT400 :o
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Quote from: hagon_84 on Today at 08:59:36 PM
That's a pretty trick pre 78 ride u practicing on the John
It's a SexMax Evo bike mate..
OK John, I dare you to put SexMax graphics on it. If you get some made I'll go halfsies with you ;D.
He will have to ask Todd if he can do that. Anyway John that's my number. Also lets hope Todd can win the next two weekends and get the Championship he deserves.
I've already started working out some sneeky lines for the track, I'll start on them next week.
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It kind of scares me that after the initial "when and where?" posts, everything's gone quiet except from the three wheeler blokes. How many on here are travelling up from NSW and Victoria?
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Ill be there Firko
I hope the Heaven guys come along as well.
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I will be making the trip from Geelong with 2 pre-75 bikes and a pre-70 250. The bikes should be right ,it's the old V8 landrover I will need to spend some time on. :o
Cheers Terry.
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It kind of scares me that after the initial "when and where?" posts, everything's gone quiet except from the three wheeler blokes. How many on here are travelling up from NSW and Victoria?
I'm seriously thinking about it after previously deciding that riding nats wasn't something I was ever going to do. I would'nt mind getting my hands on another bike to ride though. I'd only be up for one class with the eligible bike I've got which is a bit too much waiting around over three days.
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Ill be there Firko
I hope the Heaven guys come along as well.
This Heaven guy will be there with bells on!
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I will be making the trip from Geelong with 2 pre-75 bikes and a pre-70 250. The bikes should be right ,it's the old V8 landrover I will need to spend some time on. :o
Cheers Terry.
Have faith in the old girl can't beat a landy ;) and yeah the trip up should be good not as nice country tht side of the border but spose it can't be helped ;D
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If anyone is thinking about coming the Classic Nats at QMP, please remember the park will be open during the meeting. So if you have kids or friends who may want to ride also but don't have a classic bike they can ride the other tracks or trails. Also Brisbane and the Gold Coast are within an hour of the park so make a holiday of it. The nearest town is Boonah, it is ten minutes from the park. I will try to post some tourist info here soon. Remember it will be hot, it is Queensland.
Kevin
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I'm keen as mustard, but have work issues - there's supposed to be three of us at work, but one bloke is off on compo/drug forked, and the other is moving to Melbourne at the start of October (rather than January next year like he originally planned).
So my application for time off is looking likely to be rejected... >:(
Don't think I can financially justify getting someone to take my bikes up, and then flying up after work on the Friday...
Plus I've also asked for time off for a big car event later in November, so there's even less chance that both lots of leave will be approved - and the rally has already had a fair chunk of money committed to it...
/venting
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Our guys over here in the west are as to come over this time and mix it with the Eastern staters Sidecars They are Cookie, Vanderlinden and Johnson. Plus Vaughan is trying to help out with a chair for Sarah Dillion to show her skills. The problem the boys have before entering is what will the sidecar figures belike, they informed me there were only six last year They are just wondering is there are any indication of takers from over east this time
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That's bullshit!!
Everyone knows the SEXMAX has 3 wheels. ;D
And its twin shock!
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Our guys over here in the west are as to come over this time and mix it with the Eastern staters Sidecars They are Cookie, Vanderlinden and Johnson. Plus Vaughan is trying to help out with a chair for Sarah Dillion to show her skills. The problem the boys have before entering is what will the sidecar figures belike, they informed me there were only six last year They are just wondering is there are any indication of takers from over east this time
Tossa we are mainly a pre85 state with some pre90 outfits getting going soon, but we can retro 3 or 4 of the ones we have, drum rear brakes and short shoxs, so should field 5 or 6....enough to make a race of it and we're very keen to have you here to race.
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Enjoy, i wont be making it :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Calling from Victoria, are the Sup Regs available as yet and if so can someone send me the link please ;)
Thanks
Ken Baker
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no sup regs available just yet
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Sup Regs up on MA site tomorrow (Thursday) Morning
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Cool I checked today but no good still got plenty of time anyways
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They are on the MA site but I was unable to open them, might still be uploading
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Lets Go, get into it
http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Event_Documents/2013/Classic_MX/Sup_Regs_2013_Final_V1_29AUG13.pdf
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just a helpfull hint...
in reading the Supp Regs with reguards to Number plates ...
last year we had had quite a few bikes with incorrect coloured backgrounds and others with no prefix letters... it made scrutineering a bit tense at times...
an easy fix.
Bike/s:- {get a mate to help bring em all at one time, then you help your mate}
Helmet:-{so many forget,please bring it}
Licsense:-{so many forget, please bring it}
cheers,
Vandy :)
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26-27 bikes so far coming in container from the west, hope the beer is cold!!
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hope the beer is cold!!
and the Tequila warm ;D
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The most worthwhile post of the day
just a helpfull hint...
in reading the Supp Regs with reguards to Number plates ...
last year we had had quite a few bikes with incorrect coloured backgrounds and others with no prefix letters... it made scrutineering a bit tense at times...
an easy fix.
Bike/s:- {get a mate to help bring em all at one time, then you help your mate}
Helmet:-{so many forget,please bring it}
Licsense:-{so many forget, please bring it}
cheers,
Vandy :)
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I will have it in possession and a final decision regarding our travellers hopefully tomorrow. Bringing our own photographer at this time, problem is she enjoys a tequila as well!!lol
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So Vandy, does the "usual fee" still apply ;) ;)nudge nudge for pre75 sidecars??.
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So Vandy, does the "usual fee" still apply ;) ;)nudge nudge for pre75 sidecars??.
i'm yet to recieve a "fee" yet Vaughan...
and i forgot to mention,
Sidecars:- both rider and passenger to present themselves together as a team at the same time in the same place with riding gear and licsenses together... ;)
hows that sound vaughan?
achievable?
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That's "do-able" not sure about that other word you used.
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Entry in
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Hi, because I'm a bit thick I have a question, it says on the entry form $ 140 entry fee plus $20 for every class entered so if I'm entering just one bike in say the 125 class my entry will be $160, but if I want to also enter a bike in the 250 class my entry fee will be $ 180 is that correct ?
thanks Greg
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Not thick mate,a legitimate question and you are correct.
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so is a pre 75 solo 250 and age group, one class entry?
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entries via here ;)
http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Event_Documents/2013/Classic_MX/Sup_Regs_2013_Final_V1_29AUG13.pdf
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Good point Tossa, yes.
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Oops I put $180 on my entry!!
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We'll sort it
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First entries received :-)
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Well fark my old boots.... The bloke I was going with has pulled the pin on going to QLD. Reckons he can't get the extra days off of work so now I'm struggling to work out how I can afford to go by myself.
So here's a question for any Victorian riders who are DEFINITELY going to Wryalong......
Does anyone have room for me and 2 bikes?
Or, if anybody else is stuck with a way to get up to QLD, I can fit my bikes and gear on my ute and put someone your bike(s) on a trailer if you have one. I do have a box 7x4 box trailer that we can take if needed.
HELP :-\
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hi, do we pay for the the camping when we arrive or send it with the entry ?
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I have just bought a pre 70 125 and was going to race in the pre 70 250 class as there is no 125 class. Is this OK as I just read about bikes riding up classes in EVO and thought I should ask the question?
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You'll be right Barron, just see if you can find a 175 barrel, that'll help..........
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My reading is that you can rider 125's in 250 class (up to 250)
but can not ride 125and 250 in open as it is written as " 263 and over"
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I have just bought a pre 70 125 and was going to race in the pre 70 250 class as there is no 125 class. Is this OK as I just read about bikes riding up classes in EVO and thought I should ask the question?
Yep!
Grab a 175 top end if you can as the pre~70 125 class doesn't exist as back in that era it was all about the bigger bikes anyway
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What's a 125? :P :P
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As someone who actually raced a 125 back in the pre 70 era (Bultaco Sherpa S), I wouldn't wish those primitive dung beetles on anyone. I reckon there wasn't a decent 125 until the Japs started to get it right in around '73.
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Pay camping with entry if you can, or postto address shown on Regs
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I have just bought a pre 70 125 and was going to race in the pre 70 250 class as there is no 125 class. Is this OK as I just read about bikes riding up classes in EVO and thought I should ask the question?
Yes, but only because the classes for Pre-70 are Under 250 and Over 263.
The later eras have a minimum capacity, which prevents you riding up a class.
Yamaha CT1 with 34mm forks is a surprisingly good Pre-70 250 - compared to the admittedly not-brilliant DT1, what they lack in grunt, they make up for in weight/steering.
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There is no 175 barrel in the world for this bike as i wont change a thing except fuel and oil. It is a sachs 125 5 soeed which DKW used the same motor, frame and exhaust are different. There is a DKW in issue 18 of VMX and although it has 5 gears and 4 neutrals it should be a fun bike. I had a brief ride and it goes pretty well for a 69 125. Love the earls fork it is smooth and lifts up when you brake instead of diving, very strange.
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As someone who actually raced a 125 back in the pre 70 era (Bultaco Sherpa S), I wouldn't wish those primitive dung beetles on anyone. I reckon there wasn't a decent 125 until the Japs started to get it right in around '73.
I had one to had the worst ignition system around, when it decided to load up on the start line you had to sit and wait for it to clear. My dad made me trade my AT1 in on it. I had stripped the AT1 down to stick a kit in it. He told me it wasn't a real MX bike. First race meeting he turns up on an AT1 could have killed him!!lol
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BUMP
Well fark my old boots.... The bloke I was going with has pulled the pin on going to QLD. Reckons he can't get the extra days off of work so now I'm struggling to work out how I can afford to go by myself.
So here's a question for any Victorian riders who are DEFINITELY going to Wryalong......
Does anyone have room for me and 2 bikes?
Or, if anybody else is stuck with a way to get up to QLD, I can fit my bikes and gear on my ute and put someone your bike(s) on a trailer if you have one. I do have a box 7x4 box trailer that we can take if needed.
HELP :-\
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Do you still move bikes? If so do you want to transport your bikes up ahead of time and I can store them and pick you up from the airport. I can take them to the track and back as well.
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Thanks for the offer Brad, I do appreciate it muchly, but I no longer do the bike transport.
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Try and get them up early with someone coming up then the rest is the same.
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Just posted my entry,had planned to get up to Queensland last year but it didn't work out. Have been spending some time on my pre70 montesa , fingers crossed it can hold together for 3 races ;D .
I plan to give it a good run at the up coming Viper grass track.
Cheers Terry.
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Try and get them up early with someone coming up then the rest is the same.
That would work too.
It seems there aren't any Mexicans on here that want someone to share the driving and costs of getting up there.
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Break down of entries to date.
WA 9
Qld 2
NSW 1
Vict 2
SA 1
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Break down of entries to date.
WA 9
Qld 2
NSW 1
Vict 2
SA 1
Still early days, with two weeks to go the Qld boys will start pouring in I'm sure.
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better turn up bloody bookings have been made I think I count 25 bikes from over here in the West
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better turn up bloody bookings have been made I think I count 25 bikes from over here in the West
I'm entering myself in a week or so and am also entering 2 younger riders as an entrant. I think that's right? Haven't done anything like this before but I'm entering a young woman on one of my bikes and a young bloke on a couple of other ones.
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we should have a young lady riding one of Firko's bikes
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I'm entering myself in a week or so and am also entering 2 younger riders as an entrant. I think that's right? Haven't done anything like this before but I'm entering a young woman on one of my bikes and a young bloke on a couple of other ones.
we should have a young lady riding one of Firko's bikes
Me too Simo...I've got Victorian Tony Clarke riding my Cheney RT1 in pre 70/500, West Aussie Sarah Dillon on my Boyd and Stellings framed TM400 in pre 75/500 and her brother Rob on my DT1 in pre 70/250. If I had a couple more of my bikes running I'd donate them as well. The way I see it, my ever worsening arthritis has ensured that my motocross riding days are long over but I still love being involved and get a kick out of preparing the bikes and watching them perform. I can still get my riding jollies riding the occasional club dirt track and next year, a vinduro or two so it's all good.
A couple of my mates are also entering other riders on their bikes so If any of you have a spare bike sitting in the shed doing nothing why not consider offering it to a racer who'd otherwise not be entering, perhaps a racer from the Evo/pre 85 side of the sport?
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I'm entering myself in a week or so and am also entering 2 younger riders as an entrant. I think that's right? Haven't done anything like this before but I'm entering a young woman on one of my bikes and a young bloke on a couple of other ones.
we should have a young lady riding one of Firko's bikes
Me too Simo...I've got Victorian Tony Clarke riding my Cheney RT1 in pre 70/500, West Aussie Sarah Dillon on my Boyd and Stellings framed TM400 in pre 75/500 and her brother Rob on my DT1 in pre 70/250. If I had a couple more of my bikes running I'd donate them as well. The way I see it, my ever worsening arthritis has ensured that my motocross riding days are long over but I still love being involved and get a kick out of preparing the bikes and watching them perform. I can still get my riding jollies riding the occasional club dirt track and next year, a vinduro or two so it's all good.
A couple of my mates are also entering other riders on their bikes so If any of you have a spare bike sitting in the shed doing nothing why not consider offering it to a racer who'd otherwise not be entering, perhaps a racer from the Evo/pre 85 side of the sport?
Great work .. you're doing better than me but I'm still going to ride some of the bikes myself .. and will continue to do so for as long as I can :)
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9 already from the west should end up with around 14 guys and girl!
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I plan on entering next week in the pre 75 500 class and the pre 78 500s but
i wouldnt mind riding another class if anyone has a bike lying around ill gladly
take it off there hands and race it that weekend just too make up the numbers ??
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I plan on entering next week in the pre 75 500 class and the pre 78 500s but
i wouldnt mind riding another class if anyone has a bike lying around ill gladly
take it off there hands and race it that weekend just too make up the numbers ??
If I don't enter, you're welcome to use my YZ125D.
If I do enter, you're welcom to ride my DT125A in the age races.
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Yep no worries Nathan just PM me before the end of next week on what you wanna do. :)
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Three classes now have championship status.
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you should end up with 17 entries from the west. 23 bikes so far for the container, and two specials coming from Firko. We will have fun!!
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Flyer for the Nats:
(http://api.ning.com/files/no5IbvTRqFsdikufDtZq3uyjoLh2YH1j0Z2kicHpS0liT8f*g-JSY0i6yKLaDZazjRt-8KmJqQTYKkTSX6WuWUEEk4mRfRFn/nats2013.jpg)
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You'll have to delete the sidecars from the program.
Despite offering $2000 prizemoney, not one bit of interest from down south and we don't have enough up here to form a class so I'm packing it in.
Might by a caravan a go touring this big country.
Wasp for sale cheap.
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Might by a caravan a go touring this big country.
make room for an outfit for SA 2014 :P
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You'll have to delete the sidecars from the program.
Despite offering $2000 prizemoney, not one bit of interest from down south and we don't have enough up here to form a class so I'm packing it in.
Might by a caravan a go touring this big country.
Wasp for sale cheap.
Help me get a cheap one on the track and I'll ride it. I also have a friend (ex road race side car rider) from down Vic that is coming to the Nats as I am sponsoring his 2 kids, that wants to ride one as well if anything available. I've had Popeye on the case looking for a suitable ride for me/us for a month or more now.
He can even bring it up from down there if needed be as he is travelling up with an almost empty trailer and back with an empty one.
Mate I'm keen as hell, just need a loaner or some help getting something organised.
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nice back drop on the poster :D
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how cheap...........
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how cheap...........
Drop Bear cheap .. like a free loaner would be great ... why ... whaddya got Foxy?
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Back ground had me thinking also what part of the track the pic was taken ::) ...... then the penny dropped.
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how cheap...........
ex championship winner. $10.000 to a good home.
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Like to keep you guessing
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The pickie is from a CD at Conondale with a retired Tony Cavell on board one of his dads beautifully prepared BSA's. 8)
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Simo, I can see you and Foxy on the Wasp. I mean shit, those sidecar guys don't look fast at all.
If you can find a big old trailbike, 2 or 4 stroke I will make you one for a grand.
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Simo, I can see you and Foxy on the Wasp. I mean shit, those sidecar guys don't look fast at all.
It's a lot harder than it looks .. I know that much ;) I just want to have another ride and some more fun and help keep the sidecar class going. Don't for a moment think we'd be anywhere near the front but I know we'd be having fun 8)
If you can find a big old trailbike, 2 or 4 stroke I will make you one for a grand.
Okay will look for something suitable. Pre 78 or pre 75?
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Eigible sidecars are Pre68 and Pre 75. anythin later is Post Classic. By the 2014 Post Classic titles will I understand will be Pre90
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Eigible sidecars are Pre68 and Pre 75. anythin later is Post Classic. By the 2014 Post Classic titles will I understand will be Pre90
Thanks Col, pre 75 it is then. I think I have enough parts to make another CZ400 motor ... now all I need is another CZ frame
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Simo, frames are free for sidecars, as long as it's twin shock and limited travel (7" & 4"?)
Just needs to have 3 wheels and some idiot to help get it 'round the track-sense of humour is manditory,sense of self preservation, optional.
BTW, I have located another pre75er in Brisabane. It's owned by one of our elder statesmen and I have an idea that if we get it and "project" it with-in our group, it will make it to the start line.
I just need help rebuilding a Norton twin engine and some elbow grease to make it happen...much the same as when Nick Higgs got me back to the track.
Any volunteers to help with this?
p.s. This guy has spent more years racing bikes than we have all combined, so I feel this would be a good turn well done.
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I just need help rebuilding a Norton twin engine and some elbow grease to make it happen...much the same as when Nick Higgs got me back to the track.
Any volunteers to help with this?
Okay so I didn't previously mention that my friend from down victoria has built and currently still races one of the fastest Tritons out there. Whilst it's not a Norton motor, he knows them as well so he might be able to do a quality rebuild? Nothing definate but I can follow him up if you want me to.
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Dear all, this thread has gotten kinda long and unwieldy. Please continue to use it for general chit chat about the Nats, but a new thread will be used to communicate important info about the 2013 Nats in Queensland. Please do not post general commentary on the new thread.
http://forum.ozvmx.com/index.php?topic=31012.0
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Waddaya sayin' Graham, is our chit chat not important enough?.
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Graeme (note spelling) isn't the only one who thinks your chit chat isn't important.
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prolly shoulda put a coupla smileys on the end of that last comment of mine....I was taking the piss.
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Will the facility be open for camping on the Thursday night for us interstaters travelling up on this day?
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Yes it will be Ted, only closed for riding tues and weds.
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Thanks, that makes it easier
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Guys, please direct enquiries to me re most things, or Vandy on this forum re camping, pits etc
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Guys, please direct enquiries to me re most things, or Vandy on this forum re camping, pits etc
what Col said,
as we get closer we'll have all the exact info but it all should be very similar to last years event.
Vandy :)
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I'm officially a no-show. >:(
I tried and tried, but can't make it work.
:'(
AndrewVMX, you still want to borrow my YZ125D? I'll finish putting it back together over the weekend, but we've got to work out how to get it to you.
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I'm officially a no-show. >:(
I tried and tried, but can't make it work.
:'(
AndrewVMX, you still want to borrow my YZ125D? I'll finish putting it back together over the weekend, but we've got to work out how to get it to you.
Leave it with me for a while Nathan to see if I can organise for someone to pick it up.
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Can someone please post the link to enter
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https://www.nominate.com.au/mcycle/event.asp?event=386&eventlist=12
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Only a month to go with Bathurst and Phillip Island before titles, great part of the year for the petrol heads.
Bring on the fumes and adrenelin
Go Holdens and Hondas
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OK i have katowed and will be coming to the nats in sunny Qld this year. So next question is i wont be able to get bikes up there so i will be flying in with my gear and want to russle up some rides. I have 2 possibles but would be greatful to loan any bike that is in any of the classes yet to make a championship if it means getting the min numbers over the line.
So say Anyone got say a PRe78 250 ? i think that wa low on starters.
ill check col's thread but yeh looking for loaner bikes to ride in those classes if possible.
See yas in the camp.
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How old are you freakster?
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no older than you are but not as sexy ....... :)
44ys
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GET on to Shelpi and get that pre75 sidecar up here...plenty of weekends to finish it before you come. Get him on the phone.
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no older than you are but not as sexy ....... :)
44ys
Haha. So you are younger than you look and much older than you act!
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Col How have the number shaped up after entries closed?
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Mick, two weeks to go plus another week for late entries.
Pre60, Pre65 really good, Pre75 excellant, Pre70 ok, Pre78 not so good.
Old blokes really good, young blokes not so good.
CZs brilliant, Kawasaki not so good.
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Well who'd of thought that.
I would of bet money Suzuki / Yamaha to dwarf all other brands. It will be more interesting to see all the exotics anyway.
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It warms my soul to see the older classes filled up this year. I have no idea what happened to pre 78 as it was huge last year as you know.
Lewis brothers racing has put a big effort into the pre 75 classes this year which should see Pete riding all 3 classes on KTM equipment.
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I have a young woman entering on one of my 77 yz250's but she will only get the one ride. As she is coming all the way from Victoria I really would like to get her a pre 75 ride.
Does anyone have a pre 75 125 or 250 that she could borrow?
I know it's a big ask but any help is greatly appreciated.
Cheers
Simo
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Is there a ladies class? I've got a girl on one of my bikes as well.
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It warms my soul to see the older classes filled up this year. I have no idea what happened to pre 78 as it was huge last year as you know.
Lewis brothers racing has put a big effort into the pre 75 classes this year which should see Pete riding all 3 classes on KTM equipment.
On time entries close at mid night Friday 18. The money is better of in my bank rather than Nominate's or MQ's. Start talking about which classes have what after that date.
From experience I know the vast majority of entries for all race meetings come in at the last minute.
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Yes they probably do Much to the angst of the poor bastards trying to organise this meet for us
I think they would appreciate entries in as soon as possible
But then again I haven't checked what interest would accumulate on a couple of hundred bucks over 10 days Must be significant to some ::)
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Yes they probably do Much to the angst of the poor bastards trying to organise this meet for us
I think they would appreciate entries in as soon as possible
But then again I haven't checked what interest would accumulate on a couple of hundred bucks over 10 days Must be significant to some ::)
Absolutley , i would hate to be an event organiser if that is really how some people think .
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We're packing the container over here in the West on Saturday with 24 bikes
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Simmo, if we get the numbers for a ladies class, your lass will get two rides on that bike. The later people leave their entries the more likely we'll can it. 10 days to go.
Firko, at this point ,no.
Kevin, one minute late will cost you $50.
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Hey Tossa what date and time is container goin through Pt Augusta, a bit of state rivalry grafhitti could be on the cards ;D
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should be through there on about the 25th
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Simmo, if we get the numbers for a ladies class, your lass will get two rides on that bike. The later people leave their entries the more likely we'll can it. 10 days to go.
Firko, at this point ,no.
Kevin, one minute late will cost you $50.
So I'll do it at 11.55 then.
Really the entries close two weeks before scrutineering on Friday 1 Nov. I would get heaps of phone calls asking me how many entries a class had. My reply would be I don't know exactly because I haven't opened today's entries yet. Haven't you heard the saying a watched pot never boils.
Lets be positive. The Championships will be run and will be great. Get your entry in as soon as it suits you, but be on time.
Kevin
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Check out the flyer for the Lucas Oils 2013 Classic MX Championships:
(http://api.ning.com/files/TkhfUmQ5jQcvXVWhG0k-zJ*GMMk5xcu5xZy0WwK-AbhyevKGyBv9sA5clUQux87QuLalKffFZWcQgV39BUuwvL-1AfsyaEHZ/nats2013flyer.jpg)
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who is The Bloke On the Bully ..
It cant Be the Snow Man 76 or is it
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How is The Bloke On the Bully ..
It cant Be the Snow Man 76 or is it
and three different statesmen 8)
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Two of the three have entered. If you are into threesomes you'd better get it in (we know who you are)
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OK !!! Seeing as I`am one of the Poster Boys.
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Whew.... :o
after a few wrestles with Nominate i'm finally entered...
just need to make sure my bikes work ::)
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Who scrutineering?
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Derek Rumble Scrutineer, Kerry Marsh Eligibility, Dave Tanner and Mark Firkin eligibility advisers, the usual suspects assisting.
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can Dave make it now... good to see
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With that lot we'll be able to sneak all sorts of sidecars through 8) 8) :o
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They've got to enter first. One week and the programn will be set.
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Do you need a sponsor for fastest sidecar to turn-up or something?
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A sidecar sponsor would be welcome, but at this point a sidecar class seems unlikely.
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Any one able to lend me a PRE 78 mount ?????
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can you bring your pre75 outfit??
Nick is down for the titles this weekend so go talk to him. If it needs finshing, give it to him and we'll finish it for you.
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i want nick to take back some solos for me!!!!!! screw the outfit.
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i want nick to take back some solos for me!!!!!! screw the outfit.
Do you have Nick's contact number to organise the solos Kerry?
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thanks for the support freakshow :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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i want nick to take back some solos for me!!!!!! screw the outfit.
Do you have Nick's contact number to organise the solos Kerry?
I've been trying to ring him but only get a beep beep beep and then disconnect.?? Can't even leave a message so if you see him please get him to call or text me on 0407 654 564. Thanks
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Simo I emailed Nicks number to you this morning. He was at Parkes or somewhere we I called him.
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I have a young woman entering on one of my 77 yz250's but she will only get the one ride. As she is coming all the way from Victoria I really would like to get her a pre 75 ride.
Does anyone have a pre 75 125 or 250 that she could borrow?
I know it's a big ask but any help is greatly appreciated.
Cheers
Simo
Bike now found .... A very nice CZ250 so I just want to thank Paul Wilson (short shifter on here) for his generosity and faith. Thanks man, you rock ;) 8) ;D
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Entris close midnight tomorrow-see Organisers thread
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We loaded 25 bikes into the container today, two already over east in the safe hands of Mark Firkin. Ended up with 19 riders coming from the West. Party time!!!
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I'm looking forward to the road trip up from Geelong . Any other Victorians on the forum heading up?
Terry.
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Ok. Bags packed. Spectacles,testicles! (anyone who has watched The world's fastest Indian knows that line!).
On the plane tomorrow morning early into Brisbane 5 hrs later. End up at the track on Thursday morning and start putting bikes together! Looking forward to catching up with everybody and forgetting about the rest of the world for 5 days or so.
This is what we live for isn't it!!!!!!! :). O yes and I have packed some more sparks in my bag! (in the form of a spare BTH maggy).
See you for a beer soon!!
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Looks like the MotoPark is just getting a huge dump from nature's water truck......
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Forecast for next few days is a little more rain but a fine weekend( but can you believe them though?).
This rain will be the ducks n*ts. Take away the need to water - Yuk - between races.
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Col really has the right connections. Perfect day for drenching now we just cloudy and mild till Sunday arvo.
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Ok. Bags packed. Spectacles,testicles! (anyone who has watched The world's fastest Indian knows that line!).
On the plane tomorrow morning early into Brisbane 5 hrs later. End up at the track on Thursday morning and start putting bikes together! Looking forward to catching up with everybody and forgetting about the rest of the world for 5 days or so.
This is what we live for isn't it!!!!!!! :). O yes and I have packed some more sparks in my bag! (in the form of a spare BTH maggy).
See you for a beer soon!!
Unpack mine while you've got time, will see you after lunch Thursday. She wants to go to Lamington national park to take some bloody photo's!!!
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we are 20mins away and got a little rain. the track has good a watering set up in place :)
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we are 20mins away and got a little rain. the track has good a watering set up in place :)
Yep they were watering the track yesterday while I was there, lack of water is not a problem.
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Just checked weatherzone and it looks like the weather is going to be perfect this weekend, mostly sunny with light winds and temps around the high 20's to low 30's.
Awesome .. thanks for organising that Col and Davey ;) ;D
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Col and your team enjoy your weekend
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Thanks for all the good wishes :-)
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Yamahas Loaded:
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CZ's Loaded:
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(Have to keep the two breeds seperated due to cultural and class differences :D :D )
And the weather looking like perfect riding weather:
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And the excitement starts to build .. awesome ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Safe trips everyone, see you there 8)
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leaving now,
channel 10 UHF for anyone there with that service
enjoy! :)
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http://www.mylaps.com/en/events/971925
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so who won the Magoo Clubman Award this year?
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According to this Col Metcher :) very well deserved to
http://forum.ozvmx.com/index.php?topic=31808.0
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thanks Bill ;D
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Sweet cheeks bruce magoo would have been pleased to see award go to a "can do guy"
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Was a brilliant weekend and us from WA had a ball even with our misfortunes. We'll see you all in Port Augusta next year. We have all the info about crating and moving bikes by containers. Also would love to see more bibs next year with state or club logo's on really add to the meet. Thanks for all the help and all the great conversations
Barry
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I was going to come back yesterday to say goodbye to you, Sarah, Rob and the others but my hip was so bloody sore from walking around for 4 days I had a quiet day at home, still doing the same today. Are Sarah and Rob back on the road yet or hanging around Brisneyland a while longer?....I'm only half an hour from QMP. We where going to exchange numbers, cheers....it was great to meet you...my offer still stands for Sarah to ride the YZ125 at next years event if she wants too.
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Pm you Rob's number. Thanks for all your assistance, was so good to see the two of them riding. Sarah found a bike that was just so suited to her, she even got a bit of red mist when some guy on a metisse barged her out of a corner and she was up and after him, many thanks john, I'm sure she'll take you up on the offer. See you in Port Augusta
Barry
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http://feralwebsites.smugmug.com/
slow job of uploading photos has began
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Simmo,why is it every time you throw a leg over a vintage bike something happens?Speedy recovery mate ;)
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Simmo,why is it every time you throw a leg over a vintage bike something happens?Speedy recovery mate ;)
Not every time Paul .... and like the Conondale Classic where I was taken out in the start straight FFS, lately I seem to be racing against numptys that think the race is won in the first corner. It's not won in the first corner but it can sure as shit be lost there. Also not convinced some of them know that to finish first, first you must finish ::)
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Simmo,why is it every time you throw a leg over a vintage bike something happens?Speedy recovery mate ;)
Not every time Paul .... and like the Conondale Classic where I was taken out in the start straight FFS, lately I seem to be racing against numptys that think the race is won in the first corner. It's not won in the first corner but it can sure as shit be lost there. Also not convinced some of them know that to finish first, first you must finish ::)
Craig i win most of my races from the first corner ;D all that passing people after the fact is just extra work ;)
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Simmo,why is it every time you throw a leg over a vintage bike something happens?Speedy recovery mate ;)
Not every time Paul .... and like the Conondale Classic where I was taken out in the start straight FFS, lately I seem to be racing against numptys that think the race is won in the first corner. It's not won in the first corner but it can sure as shit be lost there. Also not convinced some of them know that to finish first, first you must finish ::)
Craig i win most of my races from the first corner ;D all that passing people after the fact is just extra work ;)
Lol Bill .... but you won't win if you're lying on the ground with the other poor bugger whose race you ruined as well ;)
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Simmo,why is it every time you throw a leg over a vintage bike something happens
Sorry to hear you got banged up Simo, my best wishes for a speedy recovery mate. Thanks also for the loan of the IT400 flywheel/rotor and clutch plates matey, if it wasn't for the generosity of you and a couple more good folks my bikes wouldn't have got to the almost made it stage. I had one of those shit happens weekends......terminal ignition failures on the Cheney a pulled head stud on the DT1 and 8 stitches in my leg from those evil Chinese footpegs.........and I was only walking the bike to the scrutineering bay ::). We had a hoot of a time though. Bring on Pt Augusta.
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At least you got there firko..
I had it all planned months ago to get my weekends changed to see my kids
but 3 weeks out from the big race the ex puts another swifty on me so i had to pull out.
Not happy....
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At least you got there firko..
I had it all planned months ago to get my weekends changed to see my kids
but 3 weeks out from the big race the ex puts another swifty on me so i had to pull out.
Not happy....
Sorry to hear that Andrew, those situations are a bugger but the way I see it, there's always next year. You've got 12 9 months to sort out the kids and the ex.........good luck mate.
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only nine months Mark, that bottle of tequila would have aged by then!!lol
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I want to come and play tooooo.
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I've put the Quervo Gold aside for next year mate. We've already started talking about a container so your speech may well have inspired us ;D.
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It is under six months until the Post Classic Champs at Echo Valley Toowoomba
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I've put the Quervo Gold aside for next year mate. We've already started talking about a container so your speech may well have inspired us ;D.
It's not as hard as it seems. Just takes a few phone calls to start to get your prices. Someone to make crates the same size. Some idiot (me) to handle money and ask for expressions of interest, arrange bibs etc. We did not get any support, financially from our clubs and we opened it to all those who wanted to go (no politics, just fun). Nick and I have the info people need to be able to get 28 crates in the container, with about 450mm space on top for quicl shades and other equipment. As stated during the meet 25 bikes Perth to Myaralong and return $231.00 per bike, should be a heap cheaper to Port Augusta
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I want to come and play tooooo.
Need to renew your Australian citizenship first Rosco!!lol Think we can find room for you on the team, road trip with rocket Rod again
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yeah Tossa - looking at the road trip again - enjoyed it so much last time and the flexibility at the other end was great. I also can't get home to crate my bike up before hand anyway ;D
I would like to catch up at PA - Firko, Freaky, Joan, Nick and Iain all owe me beers anyway - might keep away from you guys and Tequila though ;D Fatboy said he would come also - could be an ugly weekend- now drink or ride mmmmm!
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We had fun coming home...left Brisvegas at 8.30 ish... got to within an hour of home and they spun us around and we went to Adelaide..something about bad weather in Perth..unable to land.. so 3 1/2 hrs at the Adelaide airport and into town to a Hotel.. back out at 2 pm and ...off to... Melbourne...!!.. then 1 1/2 hours at the Melb airport then ... home.... got home about 19 hrs late.. wooohoo.. what fun.. Mr Branson has got some answering to do..
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Virgin on the ridiculous best somes up that outfit :)
I rfuse to fly with any of those budget airlines these days after a couple of bad experiences . joke star would have to be the worst of the worst though ::)
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you definitely got your monies worth. Don't remember any bad weather in perth
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Good pickie of Sarah on my little YZ Firko....she kicked some boy's butts. 8)
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seeing as she hadn't ridden this year she did really well. Even got the red mist when pushed out by the big 500's and got back past one of them. Couldn't get the smile of her face!!
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Good pickie of Sarah on my little YZ Firko....she kicked some boy's butts.
She's a nice kid to add to everything..........so's Rob her bro.
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There are another two of them Fred and hannah, basically all been racing VMX since 16yrs old
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Classic MX event proves age doesn’t matter
November 07, 2013
Photo credit: Christine Mitcheson
Classic bike enthusiasts from across the country blew the dust off their machines and descended on Queensland Moto Park for the 2013 Lucas Oil Classic MX championships last weekend.
Park Manager, Ray Buchanan said the track was challenging and technical but very well suited to the vintage bikes.
“We had a great weekend of classic racing with good competitor numbers and a turnout of around 1,000 spectators.” Buchanan said.
Classic MX heavyweight, Brad Vanbarrelo once again stole the show, taking home an impressive five Australian championships adding to his trophy cabinet which has five 2012 Australian championship trophies.
When asked how he prepared for this year’s event, Vanbarrelo said there is a lot of work in preparing six classic racing machines.
“I couldn’t have done it without the help of my dad Bert, my son Zane and good mate Wayne Odger.” Varbarrelo said.
A former racer in the 80’s and motorcycle mechanic by trade, Varbarello said the event was one of the best he had been to and wanted to thank the event organisers, Motorcycling Queensland’s, Lindsay Granger and Qld Moto Park for a great weekend.
Full race results are available on the Motorcycling Australia website here.
http://www.ma.org.au/index.php?id=12&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=10739&tx_ttnews[backPid]=6&cHash=9402f9f889
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The link is wrong this is the correct one.
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well the container is back in Perth, bikes unloaded and guess what, yep planning has alreaqdy commenced over here in the west for next year, as it is only 9 months away. If i didn't mention it before on the forum, the cost per bike from Perth to the mx park in Qld, some 9,000kms return was $231.00.
So pans for SA are underway, talk is still to use the container system as it should only cost between $150-$200 return, so when we were chatting, can still do a road trip but have the bikes moved over in the container, hopefully maybe two containers, depending on number which we hope to be at least around the 30 mark for next year. Moving the bikes by container, is to actually easier when towing caravans or driving winnebago's, especially those who want to take over two bikes. there is also talk of hiring a bus to drive over, would be one hell of a card game!!. Why start planning now, well in Jan we'll put out expressions of interest, just to gauge the numbers wanting to go, by April will ask for deposit, which will give us the commitment and we'll know what we are catering for and idea of costs per bikes. and away we go!!!
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Tossa. I realise that there isn't a big overlap between Classic MX and Post Classic MX, but I'm surprized you are just talking about the next Championships in nine months time. Are there any of the WA guys who came to QMP going to come over for the Post Classic MX Champs at Echo Valley (Toowoomba) in about five months time.
If the guys who did QMP aren't going to come to Echo Valley can someone do at least two things for us.
1. Let us know contact details (websites or email addresses) for clubs in WA who have Evo, Pre 85, Pre 90, and sidecar riders in them.
2. Offer these Clubs either assistance or advice on getting containers across to Qld for Echo Valley.
I'm am going to start another thread asking for contact details for Post Classic clubs throughout Australia and maybe NZ.
Kevin
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I think the reason n that Tossa's talking up the Classic Nats instead of the Post Classic event is because pre 75/78 is the main game over there. Post Classic is another language to them ;).
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The pre85mxwa would be dealing with that but no-one has mentioned it within the club about it. A few of the VMXWA are also members of the pre85 club(including myself). I've only been dealing with people regarding this championships as it it the one I attend. The pre85mxwa is a member of the forum, maybe a quick pm to them might get the ball rolling. Though not large at the moment the Pre85MXWA is growing steadily.
[email protected]
No problems with advice on how we do it, the biggest thing is don't depend on your club to do it for you.
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I think the reason n that Tossa's talking up the Classic Nats instead of the Post Classic event is because pre 75/78 is the main game over there. Post Classic is another language to them ;).
I have 2 pre85 bikes myself, but have to choose as do all of us in the west due to costs. Yep definitely a much larger pre75 contingent than pre90, but that is getting bigger all the time. Hopefully there will be someone attending from over here, but they would struggle at this point to fill a container
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Posted on MWA site http://www.motorcyclingwa.org.au/index.php?id=35
2013 Australian Classic MX Championships
November 21, 2013
WA VMX CREW-QUEENSLAND MOTO PARK, WYARALONG
QUEENSLAND MOTO PARK, WYARALONG-1st-3rd November, 2013
Well a hot weekend was had in more ways than one, warm weather, hot racing and a couple of unfortunate bike fires. Before the racing I’d like to thank Motorcycle Pitstop and South West Harley for their support. Also Brook Lawson for the bike loan. Special mention to our support crew in Mary, Maureen, Carol, Amy, Jenny, Monica, Alison, young Courtney, Jo, Tyler (cane toad) Mitchell and Christine who took some 4700 shots, will be on the websites soon.
The WA crew started arriving on Tuesday and unloading the container on Thursday. I will not go into any details of the fun times had, they can be told around the campfires by those involved, but just use the words, Red wine, Disco ball, Brian’s birthday, Giant Spider, upside down number plates, 272, Gilligan, Party Bus, Surrogate sons, slide show, loss of hat, glasses and shoes, and many other events that occurred.
The event was brilliant and very well run, track changed constantly as it was well watered and most races involved mud. So we had 30 degree heat with mud, great fun.
The gods of motocross didn’t shine to brightly on us in this event but it wasn’t for the lack of trying. Quite a few riders placed themselves in Championship position but due to bike breakdowns and racing incidents weren’t able make the top podium, and it all started race1. I am renowned for having accidents on lap 1 but normally that’s practice, this time it was the race, where I was clipped by a rider coming back onto the track and tweaked my knee, so started the day.
Kris Lindgren was firing up and placed well all day, he got even quicker on Sunday but dropped a chain and after assistance from the crew was able to finish the race. Costa lost about 4kgs before the event started pushing the 400 Husky, but it fired in the end and his perseverance over the weekend ensured he got a podium spot. Nick Fitzgerald and his mechanic Jo (Ice Lady) worked hard to keep him in contention, but a race incident slowed his momentum. Alan Mitchell and son Darryl (Dale), also missed out with minor bike problems and racing incidents.
Andrew Irving had a good start for the meeting, but had a bad off in the next event and was a bit battered and bruised to continue. Nick Maxfield well it just wasn’t his weekend. His beloved AJS never got pasted the 3rd corner, with mud clogging the mudguard in the first event and the magneto giving out in the second. Rick Speak blew the base gasket on the 400 Maico, so was left to battle the meet out on the trusty Bultaco and was well in contention and till that decided not to play in his last event
Have to give some time to the Scott Lawson story, two beautifully prepared CCM’s and a he was ready to go. He was right into the spirit of the meeting and because Rick’s Maico died, he lent Rick one of them for the open class, and the bike dropped a chain and damaged the rear brake, repairs made. Then lent his bike to Nick Maxfield and both went out in the 4 stroke event. They were having a great battle, when Nicks bike decided to drop the fuel line and the bike caught fire. That was the end of the CCM’s for the weekend. Nick did receive a minor burn to his arm, but would like to report his trusty riding shirt is unharmed. We were all devastated that neither Nick or Scott could race again on the weekend after all that preparation.
Lew White worked hard all weekend only to have his chances ruined by some over aggressive riding but another contender and was devastated.
Now the Dillon’s, our fully sponsored riders stood around and waited for their bikes and support crews to turn up. Sarah ended up with a Yammie YZA 125 and fell in love it flew and she had a great weekend with great support, so much so John wants to bring the bike over from Qld to SA for Sarah to ride next year. Robert’s meet didn’t start to well as the bike brought for him didn’t go so was left without a ride. But due to my first race incident He rode in the Pre75 250 and age group on the MAG 250 and had a ball. I rode in my age group
Ron Tyers had a trying meet and for two of his events couldn’t get passed the infamous 3rd turn were he stalled in the mud, but persevered and thoroughly enjoyed himself.
Mark Kestel put his bike together on Thursday and after a few gremlins had a great time on his Elsinore and even thanked Rick Speak for filling him in as he passed him.
Brian Watson was the consummate professional and circulated all weekend and getting himself on the podium, was great to see the Husky auto in full flight. Trevor (sweep) Lobegeiger was back on his home ground and circulated all weekend on the track and in the pits. Bill Watson got out and circulated in practice, but was told off for doing too many laps by the family. It was great to see him get out there though, as only Bill could.
Mike Lawrie tried all weekend and was putting himself in good positions in his event but once again due to bike problems and racing incidents, missed out on the podium.
Event with all the problems we had we still had a ball, it was brilliant. Everyone support each other and everyone feeling the hurt when people or bikes didn’t go. It was just a brilliant weekend with a great bunch of people. We are all going to Port Augusta next year come along and bring a sense of humour
Nick Maxfield and myself spent the weekend explaining (slowly) to the eastern staters about the Container and costs, the bibs and how easy it was (in principle) to arrange and to get themselves in gear, to get to SA next year.
We made a couple of presentations at the wind up or a Bib to MQ and a picture to Col Metcher for all his work
So to the results, and a lot of these were positions were obtained with only two rides
Kris Lindgren 2nd (Pre75 250), 2nd (age 250cc)
Nick Fitzgerald 8th (Pre75 250cc), 21st (pre75 263), 3rd (age 263cc), 2nd (age 250cc)
Alan Mitchell 10th (age 263cc)
Rick Speak 9th (Pre 75250cc), 24th (pre75 263), 4th (age 250cc)
Darryl Mitchell 16th (pre75 250), 1st (age 250cc)
Brian Watson 19th (pre75 250), 4th (pre65 250), 2nd (age 250cc) 9th (pre78 263)
Lew White 19th (pre75 250), 10th (pre75, 263), 4th (age 263cc), 12th (age 250cc)
Robert Dillon 23rd (pre75 250) 4th (age 250cc)
Mark Kestel 27th (pre75 250), 10th (age 250cc)
Andrew Irving 19th (pre75 263)
Scott Lawson 11th (pre75 263)
Sarah Dillon 9th (Pre75 125), 3rd (age 125cc)
Costa Lindgren 3rd (Age 263cc)
Trevor Lobegeiger 6th(age 263cc)
Mike Lawrie 4th (pre70 250)
Barry Mitcheson 5th (age 250)
Ron Tyers, Super Senior
To view more pics:
http://feralwebsites.smugmug.com/
Story and Pics supplied by Barry and Christine Mitcheson
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Herewith results of "non race result" prize winners
Award "All around good guy" Mike Vandenbroek Sponsor Col Metcher Comment :- Outstanding work in oganising pits,
camp site, etc
"First Entry" Rick Speak
"Last Entry" Mitch Wortington No comment
"Best Tow Vehicle" Ashley Randall Ford F100 1959 model
"Best Vintage Gear" Mike Crawley Even had the white socks over the
boots look
"Birthday Boy" Brian Watson Turned 55 during the event
"Senior Supersenior" Bill Watson 84 not out
"Best effort Yamaha" Firco Hughes Motorsport Dragged two bikes from Sydney for
others to ride, worked all weekend to
no avail, kept smiling.
Suzuki Ted Brack Dart Productions "The SWINGARM, kept us entertained
MORE TO COME
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Award "Best effort by British" Des Heaney Sponsored by Melvin Bros Racing Comment Des and daughter Stacey rode
Ariel, BSA, and Triumph bikes
Honda David Hull Dart Productions Came back to VMX after several years
with two XL Hondas, broke both on first
day. Welcome back.
Kawasaki Graem Simonedes Ted Brack Fastest and best trail based bike
Husqvarna Kris Lindgren Barossa Photo Co Pushed the Husky further than anyone
Maico Noel Harker VMX Unlimited Perseverence, made heasd gasket in pits,
plus other repairs to keep competing
Montesa Ron Tyers In honour John Habor Bosch At 80, possibly the oldest Monty rider
in the world
"Furthest Travelled" Sarah and Rob Dillon 30,000 km on round Aust. bike trip
"Mr Microphone" Scott McKellar Made even us old farts sound exciting
"Ladies Sarah, Jemma, Stacey Their attribuites are self evident
"Old Bike Magazine" Nick Maxfield Jim Scraysbrook Enthusiasm and dedication to VMX
"Worst Tyres" Luke Harraway & Scott Lawson Tyres for Bikes Luke worn tyre on 50cent bike, Scott's
tyres overheated
"Magoo Award" Colin Metcher NSW VMX Community Contribuition to Vintage MX
"Spirit of Vintage" Frank Varadi Colin Metcher Each year drives from Northam WA to
Sponsor riders on his JBS Special
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"Best Effort by a CZ " Robin Hall Sponsored by Harrisville Sand And Gravell Rode five different CZs-fast
CanAm Dean Rowe MQ (one beer) Felt left out
Bultaco Brian Cox Bultaco Parts Got spat off his starting rollers
(where was the video camera?)
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"Magoo Award" Colin Metcher NSW VMX Community Contribuition to Vintage MX
I was given the honour of selecting the recipient for the Magoo Award which was to be presented to the person who best represented the spirit of the Nationals. Selecting Colin Metcher was one of the easiest tasks I could have been given as in a nutshell, the Classic Nats wouldn't have happened without the old bugger. After the Canberra bid to hold the event was withdrawn, Colin approached MQ's Lindsay Granger to put together an alternate event at Queensland Moto Park. In the lead up to the meeting he worked tirelessly to handle entries and make sure all of the pre event logistics were dutifully covered. When race day came around Col not only handled the event co-ordinator and assistant race secretary duties, he also entered and raced in three or four classes and seemed to be doing everything else that needed doing.
What many folks were unaware of at the time was that Col had spent a week in hospital prior to the meeting after suffering a heart attack and for the last few years has been fighting cancer. That he was at the event at all, let alone handling the work load he took on was an amazing testament to Colin's dedication and love of our sport. There are a lot of big talkers with big ideas half Col's age in our sport who more times than not fall in a heap when they're actually called to task. Colin however is the standing example of a bloke who takes on a challenge with a minimum of fuss and gets the job done. Classic VMX owes its strength and continuing success to blokes like Colin Metcher. Presenting him with the Magoo Award was an honour and a privilege.
One correction to Colins list of recipients and the trophy sponsors above....The Magoo Award was sponsored by this forums Rossco Campbell from WA (via Laos), not the NSW VMX community.
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"Magoo Award" Colin Metcher NSW VMX Community Contribuition to Vintage MX
I was given the honour of selecting the recipient for the Magoo Award which was to be presented to the person who best represented the spirit of the Nationals. Selecting Colin Metcher was one of the easiest tasks I could have been given as in a nutshell, the Classic Nats wouldn't have happened without the old bugger. After the Canberra bid to hold the event was withdrawn, Colin approached MQ's Lindsay Granger to put together an alternate event at Queensland Moto Park. In the lead up to the meeting he worked tirelessly to handle entries and make sure all of the pre event logistics were dutifully covered. When race day came around Col not only handled the event co-ordinator and assistant race secretary duties, he also entered and raced in three or four classes and seemed to be doing everything else that needed doing.
What many folks were unaware of at the time was that Col had spent a week in hospital prior to the meeting after suffering a heart attack and for the last few years has been fighting cancer. That he was at the event at all, let alone handling the work load he took on was an amazing testament to Colin's dedication and love of our sport. There are a lot of big talkers with big ideas half Col's age in our sport who more times than not fall in a heap when they're actually called to task. Colin however is the standing example of a bloke who takes on a challenge with a minimum of fuss and gets the job done. Classic VMX owes its strength and continuing success to blokes like Colin Metcher. Presenting him with the Magoo Award was an honour and a privilege.
One correction to Colins list of recipients and the trophy sponsors above....The Magoo Award was sponsored by this forums Rossco Campbell from WA (via Laos), not the NSW VMX community.
Definately the right choice for that award, it's blokes like Col that have made Qld the number 1 VMX state! A few on here could learn a lot from him..
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i have had the pleasure of knowing col for a long time
echo firko and johnnyo
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Two page article on Classic Nationals held at QMP 2013 October_ on the shelf now
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Here we go Kevin