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Clubroom => Vintage Track => Topic started by: Dutch on December 11, 2012, 08:25:55 pm

Title: Junior JAP with 250cc engine.
Post by: Dutch on December 11, 2012, 08:25:55 pm

At the Annual Vintage Picnic at Camden nr Sydney was on show a junior JAP with 250cc engine.
The engine looks very much like a JAP but could be a homemade engine.
Is there more information from this junior bike.
http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/559025_10151202437206997_575628002_n.jpg

Title: Re: Junior JAP with 250cc engine.
Post by: SON on December 11, 2012, 09:08:17 pm

How good is that!!!!

Title: Re: Junior JAP with 250cc engine.
Post by: KB171 on December 11, 2012, 09:09:48 pm

Thats Brilliant  8) There must be some better pics out there i hope.

Title: Re: Junior JAP with 250cc engine.
Post by: JAP 454 on December 11, 2012, 09:20:50 pm

OK, after a phone call to Bill Powell, VSRA Sec, It turns out the the miniature speedway JAP was built around a two stroke motor by an old friend of mine Don Greig, an A grade Short Circuit rider of the '60s and '70s

Don's BSA slider, # 800, is on the Classic Dirt track images thread somewhere.
Like this miniature bike , Don built the frame , seat, tank, exhaust pipe and even the handlebars on the Slider himself.

Don had told me he was building this replica but I had no idea it would be this detailed, all the engine covers , push rod tubes etc are all hand fabricated by Don.
A bloody brilliant bit of home brewing, Good onya Don

Foss

Here it is with a full size JAP and Don's BSA Slider in the background
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/DonsMiniatureJAP.jpg)
 

Title: Re: Junior JAP with 250cc engine.
Post by: firko on December 11, 2012, 10:18:40 pm

Is it a runner?

Title: Re: Junior JAP with 250cc engine.
Post by: JAP 454 on December 11, 2012, 10:56:50 pm

As far as I know Firko , it is a runner, I will be talking to Don tomorrow and get some more info from him.
Foss

Title: Re: Junior JAP with 250cc engine.
Post by: JAP 454 on December 12, 2012, 09:11:19 pm

Just got off the phone to Don Greig and no, it's not a runner, when asked, Don's remark was that " I'm not that clever" I would sorta , kinda, disagree with that, because of the following.
 
Don built , from scratch, the frame, forks, tanks, seat, mudguards, sprockets, dummy clutch, petrol taps, twistgrip , dummy JAP timing cover, exhaust pipe etc.  The wheels are off a treadly and the barrel is a Victa lawnmower barrel with the exhaust port moved  up higher . It took him seven months to build, scaled from photos of full size JAPs,halfway through his son presented him with a small lathe which made things a bit easier and Don built it as a shed wall decoration, it now resides on the coffee table in his sun room.

No mean photographer himself, Don has some old short circuit shots that he is sending up to me so I can post them for him on Slides CDT Images thread.
Foss

 

 

Title: Re: Junior JAP with 250cc engine.
Post by: Dutch on December 16, 2012, 05:03:04 am

Thanks very much for the information  JAP 454.
Yesterday someone  told me that at that same show was also a very nice Matchless powered speedwaybike.
Hope to find out more about that one soon.

Title: Re: Junior JAP with 250cc engine.
Post by: JAP 454 on December 16, 2012, 06:07:20 am

No worries, Dutch. I'll ask Bill Powell if there is a photo of the Matchy powered skids bike available
Foss

Title: Re: Junior JAP with 250cc engine.
Post by: brad747 on December 16, 2012, 06:52:10 pm

This miniature jap is so awesome what a project!

Title: Re: Junior JAP with 250cc engine.
Post by: JAP 454 on December 18, 2012, 06:41:11 am

Bill Powell, VSRA sec sent me these photos of Don's mini JAP, they were sent as a pdf and I'm buggered if I can work out how to save them as a jpeg, anyhoo here goes'

The Timing side

(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/DonsMiniJAP_0001.jpg)

The Drive side

(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/DonsMiniJAP_0002.jpg)

Now , to give you some idea of the actual size of Don's creation, here's VSRA member, Rob Ogilvie with it

(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/DonsMiniJAP_0003.jpg)

Oh and , by the way, Dutch, I've tracked down the owner of the Emmot Matchless powered Speedway bike, so I'll contact him and see if I can get hold of a photo.
Foss

Title: Re: Junior JAP with 250cc engine.
Post by: Dutch on December 18, 2012, 09:55:44 am

JAP 454, thanks very much for your help in finding information from that junior bike SUPER, and what a lovely bike this is.
Further a friend told me that some picture from that annual vintage picnic are on the FLICKR photosite.
Here is the link and yes there is pic with an ESO and that Matchless bike.

http://www.flickr.com/     search for, speedway solo, and then you see 7 very good pics.   hope this works.

Title: Re: Junior JAP with 250cc engine.
Post by: JAP 454 on December 18, 2012, 10:06:11 am

Thanks for that , Dutch I did find the photo of the Emmott Matchless with the Eso. For those interested, here's a link to the foto, if it works !!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ants47/8265950453/

Foss

Title: Re: Junior JAP with 250cc engine.
Post by: Hoony on December 18, 2012, 07:51:38 pm

Here ya go Guys

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8073/8265950453_f6d8a00d21_z.jpg)

Title: Re: Junior JAP with 250cc engine.
Post by: Curly3 on December 18, 2012, 08:26:29 pm

Aren't they just the sweetest looking things, 100% raw simplicity.

Title: Re: Junior JAP with 250cc engine.
Post by: JAP 454 on December 18, 2012, 08:42:09 pm

Howdya do that Hoony??, I couldn't get the pic no matter what I tried !!
Like Slides says, a nice pair !!
Foss

Title: Re: Junior JAP with 250cc engine.
Post by: Hoony on December 18, 2012, 08:50:10 pm

right mouse click and it allowed a few different sizes, then i saw it allowed link location from there.

Nice bike .

Title: Re: Junior JAP with 250cc engine.
Post by: JAP 454 on December 19, 2012, 10:09:11 pm

I received a packet of Photos from Don in todays mail, so Dutch and KB 171, here's some good shots of Don's half size JAP.

(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/DonsminiJAP4.jpg)
(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/DonsMiniJAP5.jpg)

Here it is with Greg Cameron's ex Bob Baker Wessie

(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/DonsMiniJAP6.jpg)

And here's a comparo shot of the motor with a full size JAP timing cover and Pilgrim pump

(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/DonsMiniJAP7.jpg)

In pride of place on the coffee table

(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab106/JAP454/DonsMiniJAP8.jpg)

Don also sent me some early '60s Short Circuit pics, I'll post them up in Slides CDT Images

Foss

Title: Re: Junior JAP with 250cc engine.
Post by: KB171 on December 19, 2012, 10:39:08 pm

        8) Pure class  8)   
Thanks for putting the pics on here Foss
Cheers KB

Title: Re: Junior JAP with 250cc engine.
Post by: Dutch on December 21, 2012, 08:25:22 pm

Thanks for all the information and pics.
Here is a small film from a young (3 years) Cole on a mini speedway bike , enjoy.

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/child-motorcyclist/query/cole+speedway

Title: Re: Junior JAP with 250cc engine.
Post by: JAP 454 on December 21, 2012, 09:00:16 pm

Thanks for that Dutch, great video, being a Brummie lad myself , it was great to see Howard in action at such an early age, at one stage I had a Cole engine fitted to my Elstar.
Foss