OzVMX Forum
Clubroom => Competition => Topic started by: Montynut on November 13, 2012, 08:22:13 pm
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There are some moves to apply to hold the 2013 Post Classic MX Nationals in NSW. Early days yet.
The second half of the year is already very crowded so there are dates being considered early in th eyear. Would welcome input from likely entrants for suggested dates. Don't need to be specific but an idea of the timing would be helpful.
Don't really need any comments about previous envents or negative input as 2013 is a new start for the Post Classic Nats hopefully
Thinking April or May input please
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Sounds good, the first half of the year seems to be better for attracting more entries. Some big events in the second half of this year were pretty average in entry numbers.
Just don't have it too close to CD10 or the Conondale Classic, and Broadford Bonanza at Easter is another one to consider.
Any clues to which track?
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Very early stage at this point but Lakes near Newcastle
have a look here
http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=25001.0
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The Conondale Classic is on the first weekend of August if that helps.
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Would Pre85 sidecar team be keen?
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Sounds good. First half of the year is a great idea. Less chance of a clash and as been said a better chance of getting the numbers. Count me in.
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The QLD mob would take there trollies down...most are in South Aust and they dont travel.
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Hold it at broken hill and they will. ;D
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April having the Easter Break at the beginning, and school holidays during that month makes it hard and
NSW, VIC Mar 28 to Apr 15
QLD Mar 28 - Apr 8
ACT, SA Apr 12-29
TAS & WA Apr 10 - May 6
means that month already has the Easter weekend to organize and some people could be away for extended breaks over Easter and the school hols. Also creating all the extra traffic on the road for the travelers.
I've also heard the Broadford Bonanza is a premium event so if they are holding the BB at Easter next year, that's obviously another reason to avoid this time.
May is a much freer month with less traffic on the roads for interstate travelers and no other significant holidays.
Another thought is the Queens Birthday long weekend June 9,10 & 11 for NSW, VIC, TAS, ACT, NT & SA. Unfortunately it looks like WA & QLD has it later in the year but the extra day for the other states would help the travelers.
Couldn't think of a more appropriate & suitable track to hold it. A real MOTOCROSS test as well as being a fun track to ride with great access to the main highway, just 5 minutes from the Pacific Hwy and plenty of accommodation within a 1/2 hour drive.
Oh, and just in case you were wondering, you couldn't drag me away with 10 fully worked 84 CR500s 8) but you knew that.
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The Easter weekend and June long weekend are out as the circuit is already committed to major MX events.
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I don't care as long as we have more than a 3 X 3 lap races format and it doesn't fall on a weekend when I'm getting my hair done. :)
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all national title races should be 3 x 15 minute plus 1 lap races, regardless of any other issue or club, MA should set a stanard for their National titles instead of allowing clubs to do what they like. hang on, i think Ive said that for the last 5 years, it will bring out the best of the best.
cheers Worms
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all national title races should be 3 x 15 minute plus 1 lap races, regardless of any other issue or club, MA should set a stanard for their National titles instead of allowing clubs to do what they like. hang on, i think Ive said that for the last 5 years, it will bring out the best of the best.
cheers Worms
I'll 2nd that
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yep - good luck with that!
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In answer to having Sidecars I can see that all Qlders will go-up to 10 or more.
As far as S.A. and even Vic are concerned, they will travel (Sidecar Spectacular at Echo Valley was a case in point) it's MA that is the issue and they do like a good long race or 3.
So, how many classes of solos are catered for?
There is a good case for having a heap of Kiwis there as well. ( Is that correct-a heap of Kiwis?? or is a tribe? a gaggle? a clutch a herd a flock???) Not too sure there. Anyway , see about 1 event licenses.
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Hey guys Dates!!
Trying to get an idea of events that may affect this event. Easter and June Long weekend are out.
Are school holidays out?
April 6/7 - only 1 week after HBBB
April 13/14, 20/21 & 27/28 - NSW school holidays
May 4/5 ?
May 11/12 - Mother's Day shouldn't but does affect things
May 18/19?
May 25/26?
The idea of a true MX event worthy of National Title status is the objective regarding format. These ERA of bike are entirely capable of handling this challenge along with the riders.
It is intended to offer the classes listed in the MOMS
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all national title races should be 3 x 15 minute plus 1 lap races, regardless of any other issue or club, MA should set a stanard for their National titles instead of allowing clubs to do what they like. hang on, i think Ive said that for the last 5 years, it will bring out the best of the best.
cheers Worms
I can't see any point in anything less than that to decide an Australian Title. May as well make it another Show 'n Shine otherwise..... ::)
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I can't see any point in anything less than that to decide an Australian Title. May as well make it another Show 'n Shine otherwise..... ::)
OR another HBBC for that matter......
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I reckon April or May are ideal. Easter has HBBB, September and October has a cluster of CD10 maybe, the Classic Motocross titles and the Classic/PostClassic Nats. These meetings need to be spread throughout the year to lessen the financial (and leave pass) load on competitors.
And old Wormy and Ross are right, 3x15+1 is a legitimate race length for the Nats with one proviso that if age groups are used, the duration should be reduced to 10 minutes for over the 50 age group. I'm not sure if the 3x15+1 format is right for the Classic Nats older bikes and riders but wouldn't break down crying if it was used :D.
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School holidays for NSW are
http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/events/vacations.html
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Hey guys Dates!!
Trying to get an idea of events that may affect this event. Easter and June Long weekend are out.
Are school holidays out?
April 6/7 - only 1 week after HBBB
April 13/14, 20/21 & 27/28 - NSW school holidays
May 4/5 ?
May 11/12 - Mother's Day shouldn't but does affect things
May 18/19?
May 25/26?
The idea of a true MX event worthy of National Title status is the objective regarding format. These ERA of bike are entirely capable of handling this challenge along with the riders.
It is intended to offer the classes listed in the MOMS
May 18/19. If people are going to go away over the June long weekend it would be good to have the couple of weekends break before they go away again.
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it wouldnt matter what date u want , ma give u date
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it wouldnt matter what date u want , ma give u date
That is not entirely true Eric the application allows for the applicant to propose or request dates but it is true that the final decision rests with MA.
It looks like late April or early May could be ideal?
4/5 May
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Greg 4/5 May gets my vote it would be great if we could get the ball rolling early to help with getting club calendars sorted as soon as possible.
Cheers
Shaun
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3 x15 min motos sounds good but l would rather see 5 10 min races and drop your worst result that way you could come from far away and have a miss hap in one race be it mechanical or a crash and still be in with a shot. Just my opinion.....
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3 x15 min motos sounds good but l would rather see 5 10 min races and drop your worst result that way you could come from far away and have a miss hap in one race be it mechanical or a crash and still be in with a shot. Just my opinion.....
5 x 10min +1 would not be possible as we would basically run out of time.
3 x 15 +1 works out at around 1 hr total per class by the time the last rider leaves the track and next race starts basically you need 20min for each race. 15min + some time for the leader to complete that lap + around 2min for the last lap + around 2min for the last rider to clear the track. That is 3hours of track time per ERA (125, 250 & 500) plus sidecars (total 10hrs) and then age races (using 2 x 15 +1 that would be 12 EVO age classes @ 40min = 8hrs). That totals 18hrs; we have 16 hrs of track time over the weekend so we are relying on 6 combined races to trim the total. Don’t even mention 4 strokes, rotaries or gas turbine classes ::) ;D.
5 x 10min + 1 would be about 1.25hrs (15min per race) per class (total of 12.5hrs) and we could not fit them in the schedule. With so many extra starts there is also a much greater chance of race restarts.
I know that sounds like a cop out but I've been looking at total time verses track curfews and even 3 x 15min + 1 is tight and age races would probably have to be either reduced to 3 X 10 + 1 or preferably 2 x 15 + 1 just to give have some scope of getting through the program.
I do see the reasoning behind your suggestion; I’m just not sure there is an easy solution. If all riders drop a result it can just as easily work against you as for you.
I don’t personally feel that dropping a round is fair to all the riders that front up and perform in all the motos it just helps the guys who have a problem. Is that good? Well that depends on how you personally are impacted I suppose.
Jezuz this response got longer than I hoped ::)
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I don’t personally feel that dropping a round is fair to all the riders that front up and perform in all the motos it just helps the guys who have a problem. Is that good? Well that depends on how you personally are impacted I suppose.
I think you are right with that one. You don't want to make winning too easy. Or should we just give everyone a participation trophy and have a group hug at the end. That would be beautiful...
And with all of your workings of time on the track and all that, all you need is one big accident and it all goes out the window.
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Guys, I can't bite my tongue any longer. I agree, 5 x 10 minute races would be a fun format in a hybrid format, but that isn't true MOTOCROSS as it was back in the day. It is one thing to run shorter races on club days to try to accommodate the guys who are just there for the occasional blast, although I think if those guys gave it a try they might even like the longer races better, more time on the track, time to settle in and find their groove, less pressure on getting that amazing start, but I digress.
This is a National Titles we are discussing here and isn't VMX supposed to be the Vintage version of the racing we raced back in the 70s and 80s? If there was ever and event that should be kept as close as possible in format to the good ole days, I would have thought, this is it.
In my view 3 x 15 minutes +1 is the absolute minimum length the races should be run for all ages in The Australian National Post Classic MOTOCROSS Championships. If us over 50s get tired, we can slow down.
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event that should be kept as close as possible in format to the good ole days, I would have thought, this is it.
Living in the past,i too get caught on this (the good ole days the riders where mostly 16-20 yeras old) ;) ;D
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/ShaneThompsonandmates.jpg)
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Surely, we need to look at what we are trying to do here.
As mentioned, we need to give everyone a good weekend of racing, however many will be riding 2 or 3 classes so that needs to be taken into account.
Some guys will set themselves to just have a crack at their 'pet' event, so they too will want good value if they travel from far and wide.
We will be riding some pretty old stock so endurance races are not what we want, but then a well prepared bike should be set-up for this event.
So, all in all, it's not that far from the old days when we traveled to the far ends of a great big land to do battle against guys we had never heard of and expected to have a 'race' or two and we got prepared for that, we prep-ed our bikes and bodies for what-ever was to come, even if it meant staying off the grog a bit.
I would expect at least a good session of practice so as to get the set-up about right. I might like to qualify to get a good gate spot-no lucky dips- and I would expect at least two good races (20 mins + a lap, min) in which to prove that all of the above is not luck. That is, I am prepared, my bike is prepared and I can make my way forward after a bad start and I can set-up some passing moves or pick a spot to get by the 'hole-shot
dudes that know that short races on old bikes is what suits them.
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event that should be kept as close as possible in format to the good ole days, I would have thought, this is it.
Living in the past,i too get caught on this (the good ole days the riders where mostly 16-20 years old) ;) ;D
This isn't the thread to debate what VMX is all about but after 2 years of it I thought it was about being able to re-experience something we were all lucky enough to have been part of in the 70s & 80s in a more relaxed and friendly environment. Yes, you are correct, we were teenagers or in our early 20s and we rode 3 x 30 minute Motos for a State or National event. My point is the sport was an endurance test for us back then and if the Vintage version is to be a legitimate representation of that era, our National Title has to be some sort of endurance test even for us old guys. For a National title, I question whether anything less than 15+1 could be called an endurance test, even at our level.
EML, like your post, that is what I am talking about.
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KJ222 how did you find the format race duration at the last vintage nats you competed at ?
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Well, it generally RAINS at or around Easter! May is normally great weather. I would go for late May.
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KJ222 how did you find the format race duration at the last vintage nats you competed at ?
Hey Bill, I think you know the answer to that question don't you?
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event that should be kept as close as possible in format to the good ole days, I would have thought, this is it.
Living in the past,i too get caught on this (the good ole days the riders where mostly 16-20 years old) ;) ;D
This isn't the thread to debate what VMX is all about but after 2 years of it I thought it was about being able to re-experience something we were all lucky enough to have been part of in the 70s & 80s in a more relaxed and friendly environment. Yes, you are correct, we were teenagers or in our early 20s and we rode 3 x 30 minute Motos for a State or National event. My point is the sport was an endurance test for us back then and if the Vintage version is to be a legitimate representation of that era, our National Title has to be some sort of endurance test even for us old guys. For a National title, I question whether anything less than 15+1 could be called an endurance test, even at our level.
EML, like your post, that is what I am talking about.
Not all of us were lucky enough to be racing in the 70s & 80s. I turn 50 in 2 weeks and did not start racing till I was 29. My parents would not allow me to have a bike, never mind racing one. I did start buying my own bikes in 1982 but could not afford to race at that stage. So I am enjoying riding the bikes I use to drool over. I will be happy with what ever format the club comes up with to efficiently get through the program. If they are long races I do not care.
Ken back in the day they did not have so many classes (125, 250 & 500)and it was not so hard to get through the program. We have way more classes and the age groups as well. So just be happy with what you get the club, I am sure will do their best.
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event that should be kept as close as possible in format to the good ole days, I would have thought, this is it.
Living in the past,i too get caught on this (the good ole days the riders where mostly 16-20 years old) ;) ;D
This isn't the thread to debate what VMX is all about but after 2 years of it I thought it was about being able to re-experience something we were all lucky enough to have been part of in the 70s & 80s in a more relaxed and friendly environment. Yes, you are correct, we were teenagers or in our early 20s and we rode 3 x 30 minute Motos for a State or National event. My point is the sport was an endurance test for us back then and if the Vintage version is to be a legitimate representation of that era, our National Title has to be some sort of endurance test even for us old guys. For a National title, I question whether anything less than 15+1 could be called an endurance test, even at our level.
EML, like your post, that is what I am talking about.
Not all of us were lucky enough to be racing in the 70s & 80s. I turn 50 in 2 weeks and did not start racing till I was 29. My parents would not allow me to have a bike, never mind racing one. I did start buying my own bikes in 1982 but could not afford to race at that stage. So I am enjoying riding the bikes I use to drool over. I will be happy with what ever format the club comes up with to efficiently get through the program. If they are long races I do not care.
Ken back in the day they did not have so many classes (125, 250 & 500) and it was not so hard to get through the program. We have way more classes and the age groups as well. So just be happy with what you get the club, I am sure will do their best.
You're right, and I know the guys involved are perfect for the job and we will all be more than happy. I am not unhappy though, in fact quite the opposite. This is the best fun I've had in a long time. I'll shut up now.
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first thing they need to do, is change the age class's to "open title" and over "50 titles" and get rid of the debacle of individual races as in pre 75, run them all concurrently with full grids, I bet we would have more than enough time for 15 plus 1 lap races. Riders need to man up for national titles.
cheers Worms, Ive got plenty of spare concrete if anyone needs some.
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This isn't the thread to debate what VMX is all about
True, its about the dates. :)
But while we are here -
Evo ran 5 laps in South Aust 2011
and the Qld 2012 titles pre78 was 6 laps =11.27 for most riders up front.
As head said, let the hosting club make that decision. 8)
cheers
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Looks like it is official. Well done to all involved!
"2013 POST CLASSIC MOTOCROSS CHAMPIONSHIPS
Friday, 21st December 2012
NEWS
Lakes in conjunction with the Heaven Vintage Motocross Club will be hosting the 2013 Australian Post Classic Motocross Championships on the 4th & 5th of May 2013"
http://www.lakesmotorcycleclub.com/?p=2197
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on ya KJ222,how far north of Sydney Town ?
cheers A
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1hour north from McDonalds Thornleigh
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Well, it generally RAINS at or around Easter! May is normally great weather. I would go for late May.
I reckon it'll piss down :D :D :D :D :D
At least it's settled when and where--now just for the how, as in how will we get there.
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Eml you hook the trailer onto a vehicle.load the outfit.get fuel/money and head south. Easy :D
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It's downhill from here,,,gettin' home 'il be the problem.
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Im out. Will be in europe during those dates.
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That'll be ok Davey, just load the rig up and leave the keys under the mat, we'll look after it ;D ;D ;D ;D