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Marque Remarks => Yamaha => Topic started by: Tahitian_Red on November 10, 2012, 07:29:36 am
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I ended up ordering a PVL for my RT-1 project. Should I go with a slightly lighter weight than the stock flywheel (free-er revving and less bearing stress) or same/slightly heavier?
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mine weighs in at 1450 grams.
1650 grams is stock.
DT400 CDI set~up is 1800 grams.
i prefer the torque over the zing on these motors with 1450 grams as a middle of the road type of deal.
if that helps any :)
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RT's have big mains & will stand extra weight ok. Have a flywheel someone fitted a heavier brass ring onto & use it sometimes if i want a lazy feeling [but still powerful] motor. Takes the stress off the kick start gears too with the extra flywheel inertia. Something really you have to sort out for yourself & best if you're able to experience both options or have the ability to swap [light/heavy] depending on conditions. Digressing back to the "60's i had a B33 500 on methanol with 'cotton reel' flywheels, super high comp etc, was fast but ended up fighting it all over the track & went slower [lap times] than same motor with heavier [std B31 350 flywheels]. That's my two bobs worth anyway. Cheers.
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I've tried both the DT400 ignition and the PVL internal rotor ignition and I've found that I prefer the "lazy" heavy flywheel DT400's characteristics. Because the RT2MX engine has a pipey 250 style power band, I'll also use the heavier DT400 ignition to try and flatten out the torque curve a little.
Vandy, what did you do to achieve your 1450 gram flywheel? Did you machine down the DT400 flywheel or is there a lighter one available elsewhere in the Yamaha range?
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Firko,
Have ever weighed the PVL rotor? I was planning to add about 500 grams to the weight of the rotor.
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I used to enjoy riding George Mckenzie's modified RT3 (longer swingarm, LTR, lowered motor, RM front end) in the late 1970s. The motor was/is quite splendid. It had a chamber, mild porting mods and a bigger carby. The otherwise-standard RT3 flywheel had a steel band shrunk onto the OD. I don't think I would have liked riding it with the standard flywheel.
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yz400d/e is lighter then the dt400 of the same era,then theres it250d/e as well which is a different part number to the yz400 so a few choices there to play with
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Firko,
Have ever weighed the PVL rotor? I was planning to add about 500 grams to the weight of the rotor.
No I haven't Jay.....I'm just about to leave the house for a big night out so I'll weigh it tomorrow and report in with my findings ;)
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Like 'OverTheHill', I tried a set of lightened B31 flywheels fitted with a Manx conrod in my ultra hi comp B33 which proved totally useless. Instant wheel spin on tap.
I would like to try a heavier flywheel on my old RT1 non reed valve.
cheers pancho.
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Vandy, what did you do to achieve your 1450 gram flywheel? Did you machine down the DT400 flywheel or is there a lighter one available elsewhere in the Yamaha range?
1450gram jobbie is from a YZ490.(got the complete electrics set up cheap)
it took a bit of lathe work to get it to happen.
a good 1650gram set up is nice for sure. i machined the heavy DT400 flywheel down.
while the stock DT400 (1800gram) flywheel pulled like a tractor with gobs of torque, i just wanted a touch more zing so went lighter.
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I'll weigh it tomorrow and report in with my findings
I went out to the shed to weigh the PVL rotor this arvo but soon realised that both of my PVL's are already on engines. While I was sick earlier in the year I used up the boredom time by building two DT1 and three RT1 engines which used up my PVL stash. I've got a spare stator but alas no spare rotor to weigh.
I did however uncover an MX250 ignition that I didn't realise I had. Is there any difference between the MX250 and MX360 ignitions? Is there any improvements gained by swapping around CDI modules (black boxes) between different models? When I used the DT400 ignition on the DT1 from Hell I went from the stock DT black box to one from a YZ80 or 125 (too long ago to remember which) and definitely noticed more mid range, which was just what I wanted. I've got a decent stash of different older model Yammy CDI's and would like to do some mix'n'match experimentation on my test mule bike....Nathans old DT1. Any ideas?
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Got the PVL and the flywheel weight installed, but she is hard starting. (2.3mm BTD) Any ideas to help improve this? This is not the cloth-wrapped model like I have on my CR480, but that is what the PVL catalog calls for.
???
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bump
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Bump start? ;D
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Ive just got my hands on a nos SC500 full electrics including the CDI , when it gets here I think I'll try it out on a RT and see what its like . Iain
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The pvl catalogue should call for the cloth coils as it does for all the open size motors, I have a 1058 on my rt1 and every time I take it o a nats I spend the race prior bumps starting it...... You just can't get enough kick through on the kick start. Next years project is to sort that out and ill start with a cloth winding and keep adding weight until I can get enough inertia up to start it on the stand
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Bump start? ;D
Always! Stuff kickin' it!
pancho
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refer to #52 VMX mag, something about DT400 cdi and MX250 kick lever ;)
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Got it to start easier with the addition of a Harley type compression release valve installed in the second spark plug hole. Now moving on to a slipping clutch issue.
;D