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Clubroom => Tech Talk => Topic started by: maico police on October 20, 2012, 08:17:07 pm
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Just finished day one of the Race Tech seminar and it was everything you'd want something like this to be and more!
Paul Thede is an extrdroidinary guy. Charming, funny, down to earth and with a fair amount of humility to boot.
Lots of suspension from the twin shocks to eighty era bikes are talked about because of course (as we all know) big things started to happen. I'm constantly punching the air in joy! ;D
As an added bonus Kim Ashkenazi (is that how you spell his name?) is also here and we had a great old chat about the old bikes and times and he informs me he's keen to give the pre 90 and 85 scenes a go. He looks as fit as buggery and sharp as a pin. He would have been at the Mr Vintage Motocross but of course it clashed with the seminar.
Nice guy.
Ah. Another six days of suspension immersion. Bliss...... :)
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just spoke to ross on the phone , glowing report on the first day ,paul thede sound like a very knowleable guy ,(and freindly too) there,ll be no christmas cards from sth australia this year ross lol
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I just pulled down an 86cr shock with a gold valve. I was wondering why it was so stiff turned out the valve was in upside down ! It also had a non removable bleed , must be one of the very first gold valves ever made.
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I'm sure Mont you already own the Race Tech 'Suspension Bible' - that's a book that stays by my bedside for regular rereads. And, with the 'how to' section in the back, in the garage for rebuilds of my modern's suspension. Saved me thousands, and allowed me to get rid of my modern's dreaded 'mid stroke harshness'.
Would love to do the seminar - can only imagine how much more you'd be across at the end of five days talking suspension....
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Yep. I'm just a sponge soaking it all up. Today was spent out at Shock Treatment's workshop and man they've got some cool stuff there..... 8)
The best part up 'till now is probably making a lot of stuff from the bible gell in the head. That and seeing the work station set-ups.
And yes there was talk of Gold valves being put in backwards and being ridden like that for years. :o
Lots of cool tools to buy as well......
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do you get a discount on the tools at the seminar ? what about parts after you've completed the course?
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Yes. Good discount on the tools Brent. I've bought one or two ::). Also on consumables and a little more if you're a registered business with an abn.
Really nice people Jan and Terry. Can't be more than helpfull and willing to help out with a problem over the phone.
Another bonus is that there isn't a model of fork or shock that Paul hasn't dealt with in the past thirty years and he's knowledgeable about the less than well engineered units (ahem ::)) and how to fix the glitches. :)
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Yer I went to the factory a few times years ago , last time was 1990 I think . Have had three mates working there at one time or another. I was one of the first to get some goldvalve stuff that way. Always thought of doing the course , oneday ::)
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ross will you offer friendly service.
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Everything about Ross is friendly.
Good to see you are having a great time Ross.
Cheers, Grahame
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Aw shucks. Thanks guys. ;D
Seriously along with ride coaching, this has to be one of the best things I've ever spent money on when it comes to dirt bikes.
Even though I've tinkered around suspension most of my life and had a good look at Paul's book over the years, now it's like the penny's dropped and everything about the 'bouncy bits' makes sense.
There's no secrets with these guys. They'll share everything they know with you..... ;)
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so what u beaut tools are you now the proud owner of ?
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Shop shock spring compressor, seal drivers, spring tester, WP charging tool, shock seal bullet tools, better nitrogen filling gear than what I already have, larger regulator, preload adjuster tool, fork bleed tool set, cartridge holding tool, shaft holding tools, vacuum bleed pump, Showa/KYB cap wrenches and I'm going to stop typing in case I think about it too much, get buyers remorse and neck myself..... :-[
(There might be a tub of grease in there somewhere)
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Have you asked the question '' why does the shock shaft return up only after it has been gassed up'' ;)
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Yes Jason.
Because the volume of oil that the shaft has displaced to the reservoir on compression forces the shaft out again (with help of about 175 psi in the reservoir when you charge it up) ;)
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Yes Jason.
Because the volume of oil that the shaft has displaced to the reservoir on compression forces the shaft out again (with help of about 175 psi in the reservoir when you charge it up) ;)
Ross you're giving too much away ::)
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It seems the same question has been been bugging myself and Jase for years. I promised him it would be the first thing I'd find out about. ;)
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It seems the same question has been been bugging myself and Jase for years. I promised him it would be the first thing I'd find out about. ;)
same as a FOXAIR SHOCK.Only the shaft is smaller .
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http://www.racetech.com/page/id/64
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Well the seminar's all done and dusted and it's great to be home again. :)
Absolutely mind-blowing the whole thing. Not just the theory of what does what and servicing but also the advanced stuff of geometry, data acquisition and in-depth valving. I doubt anyone could walk away from one of these believing they haven't learnt something. Some guys were on their fouth seminar and quite happy to shell out the money again. I'll certainly be back when he's back in two years time. It's all relavent to any motorcycle regardless of its age.
A bump is a bump. ;)
Race Tech have a lot to offer vintage racers. Their Gold valves are bolt on performance that anyone that can hold a spanner the right way around can do in the comfort of their own shed and get instant good results. I've put them in my L and H and had huge improvements at a fraction of the cost of a new shock. Plus a great range of fork springs and seal heads for the older stuff.
Paul acknowledges that by putting these items on the market that they've been ripped off by all sorts but it doesn't phase him at all. People who've tried the coppied stuff come back after the 'copies' break, fall apart or just don't work.
Plus they guarentee all their products. If you're not happy, send it back and you'll get a full refund.
The other great part of the week was spending time at Shock Treatment out at Wallacia. Terry and Jan were the consumate hosts and stuffed us full of yummy food at every break. I think I put on another five kilos by Friday.... ::)
Terry is every bit as sharp as Paul. Anyone who's ever dealt with him over the phone know that he'll go to great lengths to help you sort out a problem. His boys in the work shop are spot on as well.
He stayed back Friday night after it was all over to make up some bushes to go into the cartridges of my 2000 YZ forks that we'd forgotten to do earlier in the week. I was happy to leave them there for next week but he insisted (even though he was meant to be hitting the shower to go out for tea) to do them and upon realising my rebound valves were up the shit, promptly rebuilt them for me whilst happily chatting away.
If you live in Sydney and can't do a lot of this sort of thing, then get it to the boys at Shock Treatment.
If you don't live in Sydney, then mail it to them... ;)
If you think 1700 bucks is a little exxy then after you do one you'll realize that it's not enough. Not even the cost of an old shitter and you'll get far more value from one of these seminars.
No. I don't claim to know all there is to know about suspension after just one week. But I know a hell of a lot more than I did a week ago....... ;)
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http://www.shocktreatment.com.au/
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