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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: crabman on September 19, 2012, 01:52:56 am
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One of the challenges for anybody once removed from the UK and European continent is the logistics.
Given that South Africa and Australia are both competitive and compete regularly against each other- why dont we create a annual twin shock challenge between two nations that share similar challenges logistically at Farleigh?
In stead of the Ashes maybe we can have a floating trophy - to be left in the care of the winning nation after Farleigh each year
Any interest?
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I would go a bit further, why not have rounds of the VMX DN held in a few other countries and the finals at Farleigh Castle? If there was say 4-6 rounds held in various contires eg... US, Belgium, Netherlands, S.Africa, Australia, Japan and Canada, it would make the event bigger, give more people a chance to witness the spectacle and have the finals at Farleigh Castle UK. It would then be a true VMX/DN Test Event. This would be a good promoters dream surely? Each countries governing MX body would be responsible for local organisation with ticket sales going to that body and the share of the TV rights. Suddenly you would have a world audience with National pride at stake. Great for tourism and the local economy, local and federal government may be inclined to put money in to see some return. Just a thought.
Kevin.
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Just out of curiosity have either of you been to a VMXDN at Farliegh ???
Any challenge you throw up is irellevant as the Kiwi team would kick your arses anyway :-*
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No, but would love to. And that is my point, make it more accessable to the masses of fans. I would not want any Kiwi to kiss my arse as you say ;D
Kevin.
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No, but would love to. And that is my point, make it more accessable to the masses of fans. I would not want any Kiwi to kiss my arse as you say ;D
Kevin.
Its a Unique event and you would not be able to replicate it any more than you could replicate a Classic dirt . They are very special events and have their own identities .
A big shout out to Rusty (Holeshot buddy) who has ridden the event the last 3 years 8) 8) that is a hell of a commitment :) as the financial side alone of making the trip is bloody high .
If i read Gavins post correctly i think he means a challenge within a challenge at the Farliegh . This could work :) but as i say it would be a bit hollow if you dont invite the strongest team from the Southern hemisphere :P
As for an international multi rd series ??? good luck with that one ;) this year we couldn't get enough to travel to Tassie for the Evo nats ::)
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It'll never happen. Farleigh is run by a private promoter who has some good contacts and knows a lot of the ex gp stars and is able to lure them to his race from nearby Europe.
Who would pay for them to come to Australia? We can't even get our governing body to chip in for the Aussies going to Farleigh!
And we were not even able to achieve the running of the 2012 evo/pre 90 vintage Nats let alone an international race.
What about the bikes, who would foot the bill for them to be shipped around the globe? It's not like you could lend them bikes, they are all very special builds with many trick and nos parts.
I'm sorry to say but it would be too difficult to put together a series..
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The problem as I see it is the governing body is not a promoter and has no idea about much except how to check your spokes before an event, oh and how to take your money off you and then stand around with a smile on their faces thinking it was all there idea when it's great.
They will never put on an event like that unless someone else stumps up the dollars and risks everything.
As it is Farleigh is the greatest event of its type and I'm surprised Unadullah doesn't do the same- or Carlsbad etc.... etc....
Mr Vintage MX will become the battle ground of our past greats-you wait and see...and if SAffies want to come and play-well and good. If the poms want to send a team that'd be great too.
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Mr Vintage MX will become the battle ground of our past greats-you wait and see...and if SAffies want to come and play-well and good. If the poms want to send a team that'd be great too.
This one ;D Flights straight into Sydney Town 8)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/MRvintagemxNSWOcotber.jpg)
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This is a question of "wish for" the Future of VMX/DN. Whether it would even be considered or not, thats a completely different proposition. But if you have great events anywhere surely you would like to see it grow and become greater than it's original form. I personally, would like to see our sport grow and prosper and become more main stream again as in the 70's and 80's. If we can get critical mass we would get more funding, more tracks, more events and so on. We can't just be a small and shrinking community of like minded dirt fans as we are getting older and the membership is shrinking.
I really beleive there is a audience world wide for twinshock events and I for one would like to see more and I would encourage any person or body that would help make our sport more accessable to the general public and to raise it's profile nationally and internationally
My two cents...
Kevin
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There is nothing stopping other countries holding similar events at legendary tracks if they want.I think the Fairleigh event is a true VMX/DN event over 4 rounds,the beauty of which is it is in the UK and close to Europe the ancestral home of MX,as others have said it is a unique event.To those interested the sport is readily accessable at both the competative and spectator level.Realistically without a commited promoter able to organize the logistics involved and with the promise of a profit at the end its a bit "pie in the sky".Progressive thinking at club level a la Viper in Vic will ensure that new blood enters the fray becoming new members(on later model bikes)and maybe these guys will become interested in the older stuff.Anyway its worth putting it out there Kevin :) PS like TM Bill big ups to Rusty for his 3rd go around,legendary mate! ;)
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It does sound like a great idea and there would certainly be a good spectator following. The problem would be keeping the vets able for a full season of international level racing. They no doubt love it every now and then but to commit to a full series might be a different story.
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The Farleigh race wouldn't be a patch on what it is if it wasn't at Farleigh Castle and if Dave King wasn't the promoter. Its been running for 4 years and if it was easy to replicate someone would already be doing it.
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Once you've expierenced/travelled in the UK and western european countries you will understand why an event like Farleigh which attracts so many countries is possible. To drive from most parts of France, Belgium and Netherlands and to a lesser extent Germany, Spain and Italy across to England can be achieved in a day, not all that different to what some of us do when travelling north/south on the east coast of Australia. Even the trip from the east cost of north America to London is easily done in a day. (obviously not in a car ;D)
When we struggle to run a National event (VMX or Modern) in WA then the chance of running a successful Trans-Tasman or Trans-Indian VMX event is doomed from the start. Was it not all that long ago that pretty smart bunch of operators in Tasmania had to pull the pin on a National event?
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Exactly Bahnzy.. I mentioned that earlier but it's just not registering
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Just out of curiosity have either of you been to a VMXDN at Farliegh ???
Any challenge you throw up is irellevant as the Kiwi team would kick your arses anyway :-*
Yes - three times and yes I have also ridden Farleigh Castle
My suggestion is given the amount of competition in all sports involving Australia and South Africa why not have a floating trophy to be decided on the country with the best overall result in the twin shock class at Farleigh?
Yes I would welcome the Tri Nations Australia , New Zealand and South Africa competing against each other at Farleigh.
I will donate the appropriate trophy if there is interest.
This does not replace Farleigh but is a competition within a competition - bear in mind nobody will have the home town advantage.
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Except you Crabman, sounds like you would be riding your local track :D :D :D
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This does not replace Farleigh but is a competition within a competition - bear in mind nobody will have the home town advantage.
http://www.mylaps.com/results/showrun.jsp?id=2473645
Excellent idea crabman!!~ Lets do it..........When do we start last week ;D ;)
Results of MX Vets MXDN 2012 - EVO MVMXDN - EVO VMXDN Team score
ACU Events LtdTrack Farleigh Castle (1.6 km)
Event MX Vets MXDN 2012
Group EVO MVMXDN
Classification Pos No. Name Total points R1
1 1 Belgium B 60 60
2 4 USA 95 95
3 3 EVO UK 162 162
4 6 England 163 163
5 18 Belgium A 174 174
6 14 N.Ireland 178 178
7 17 Wales 234 234
8 5 France 289 289
9 9 Sweden 338 338
10 8 Scotland B 351 351
11 11 Ireland 452 452
12 2 Germany 556 556
13 15 Italy 581 581
14 13 Australasia 625 625
15 16 South Africa 704 704
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we only had 2 riders in evo mxdn ballard pulled out
and coppins couldnt ride due to contractual agreement
with his new team
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A few Aussies compete in the ICGP series, plenty of European based competitors lease bikes(and hospitality) to visiting riders. Would be nice to see a 4 or 5 round series at the famous tracks, Farleigh, Namur, etc
http://www.icgpracing.com/index-en.php?page=programme5-en.html
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we only had 2 riders in evo mxdn ballard pulled out
and coppins couldnt ride due to contractual agreement
with his new team
Please feel sorry for the lone poor South African bastard who rode a 125 in the GP class- our only South African entrant- i regretably am involved in a corporate business transaction and had to travel to the UK and then to Sydney Australia the weekend of 28 September 2012 - i did not ride for fear of injury at a critical point in business time BUT a group of Suff Efricaaaans (me and my mates) will be there next year to race for the proposed twin shock trophy.
In Sydney next weekend - any VMX racing over the weekend of 28 September and 08 October in close proximity to Sydney? - I would like to watch, look and see our Suuuf eefricaaan competition
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Don't tell 'im nuffin'-'es on a spy mission :D
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Yes if you fancy a road trip over the great dividing range?
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Anything VMX happening in close proximity to Sydney?
Any good vmx shops in Sydney ?
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Where in Sydney will you be? There are no VMX shops as such in Sydney, there is a shop in Brookvale that sells old road bikes round about the 70's era
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Where in Sydney will you be? There are no VMX shops as such in Sydney, there is a shop in Brookvale that sells old road bikes round about the 70's era
Probably St Ives or City Centre - any motocross VMX or modern scheduled for the 29 September or 06 October 2012 in close proximity to Sydney?
Many thanks
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Where in Sydney will you be? There are no VMX shops as such in Sydney, there is a shop in Brookvale that sells old road bikes round about the 70's era
Probably St Ives or City Centre - any motocross VMX or modern scheduled for the 29 September or 06 October 2012 in close proximity to Sydney?
Here's one !! not sure on how far from Sydney it is.
Travelling to good quality ozvmx events is worth every mile though ;D
http://www.heaven-vmx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Canowindra-flyer.pdf
http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=24148.0
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One of the challenges for anybody once removed from the UK and European continent is the logistics.
Given that South Africa and Australia are both competitive and compete regularly against each other- why dont we create a annual twin shock challenge between two nations that share similar challenges logistically at Farleigh?
In stead of the Ashes maybe we can have a floating trophy - to be left in the care of the winning nation after Farleigh each year
Any interest?
Gents - based on the fact that there are no changes re Farleigh - do we have a challenge - very simple the team that finishes highest up the stakes in the twin shock class wins the floating trophy - I will start the ball rolling and donate the trophy if the Australians and New Zealanders are keen?
I am currently in Australia on business and really impressed with Sydney- could be back here on a more frequent basis .
Lets race for glory - after all you got the Ashes, Tri - Nations and now the prospect of the Hallowed Bronzed Boot as a trophy - my suggestion is that the New Zealanders could in the unlikely event they were unexpectedly to win it ask the All Black rugby team to house it in their empty trophy cabinet
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Gavin,I suggest that you review your comment re the empty Kiwi trophy cabinet....given the RWC ,Rugby championship (new tri nations series including Argentina) and Bledisloe cup are packed within it.....
:o :o :o
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One of the challenges for anybody once removed from the UK and European continent is the logistics.
Given that South Africa and Australia are both competitive and compete regularly against each other- why dont we create a annual twin shock challenge between two nations that share similar challenges logistically at Farleigh?
In stead of the Ashes maybe we can have a floating trophy - to be left in the care of the winning nation after Farleigh each year
Any interest?
Gents - based on the fact that there are no changes re Farleigh - do we have a challenge - very simple the team that finishes highest up the stakes in the twin shock class wins the floating trophy - I will start the ball rolling and donate the trophy if the Australians and New Zealand are keen ?
Email [email protected]
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One of the challenges for anybody once removed from the UK and European continent is the logistics.
Given that South Africa and Australia are both competitive and compete regularly against each other- why dont we create a annual twin shock challenge between two nations that share similar challenges logistically at Farleigh?
In stead of the Ashes maybe we can have a floating trophy - to be left in the care of the winning nation after Farleigh each year
Any interest?
Ok gents - is anybody from the OZ side of the pond going to Farleigh Castle ? South African will have a team in the twin shock class
Email [email protected]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3TPX1oT33Q
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Nice! Wish I could ride like that....
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FoooooooooooooooooD off David White and some of his staff, who are yes man to him, and get some real motorcycling fellows in their, who have no self invested interest in themselves, and MA`s growth will rise, do more for the riders they are the main body Motorcycling Australia, then we may get somewhere, Shannon insurance could be the answer, Shannon Motorcycling Australia.
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weve given them plenty, lets see if we can get some back..they are always sponsoring te historic cars