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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: fatboyracing on July 17, 2012, 08:55:40 pm
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IMPORTANT NOTICE To All The Australian Post Classic Championship on the 10,11 & 12th August 2012 to be conducted by the Launceston Motocross and Scramble Club inc at Santarenna Park Bridport Tasmania.Due to lack of entrys in all classes our club executive has regrettably voted to cancel the upcoming event. We debated this decision for many hours and came to the conclusion that we had no alternative but to cancel the event as there is only 12 entrys which included only 3 from other states .
I personally am saddened by this decision as this being the first year of the CMX / CDT split championships I was hoping to have a good turn out to match the Classic Championships earlier this year and then knowing that the Commission had made the right decision to split the championships.
I am very upset that the mainland riders didn't support this event and our club seeing that the dates were released in October last year
Thankyou to those riders who made the effort to entry and I am sorry for the inconvenience
All entry moneys will be refunded
Regards
Shane Fraser
President
Launceston MX and Scramble Club inc.
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I'm not into MX but that is a dissapointing development, the tyrrany of distance.
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That's a crying shame as I like and respect the folks behind it. Unfortunately I still believe that holding the inaugural event away from the mainland was always headed for disaster based on the current state of the economy and the costs involved in getting over Bass Strait. I still believe that the split was the correct direction that the sport needed to take but for the first year of the new concept it needed to be as accessible to as many racers as possible to ensure the event was a success. Unfortunately, to most Post Classic racers Tassie is a little too inaccessible.
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Well that is a shame, and proves a point over the last couple of years, with arguments about the split, you go one way, just goes to show their is no support from the young fellows who mouth off so much, and try and stuff up the vintage pre75, I get so pissed off. Know wonder clubs wipe there hands and walk away from running any events. If there was no events at all people would be still winging.
The cost to put an event on is not cheap, when riders don`t support it, throw the towel in and walk away. >:(
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I don't think that's the case at all Dave, I agree with Firko that the split had to happen.
It is a combination of it being the first year of the split and the distance away.
The Post Classic DT Nat's don't look like they'll happen either.
Disappointing but in a few years time it'll all be a distant memorry.
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I am just disappointed for the clubs that host these events, I have ran a lot of meetings over the years, I just feel for the clubs.
I believe Australia Titles of any disscription should be ran in conjunction with other state rounds to gather your points, then a final desiding meeting at the end. much the same as F1, moto gp.
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Well that is a shame, and proves a point over the last couple of years, with arguments about the split, you go one way, just goes to show their is no support from the young fellows who mouth off so much, and try and stuff up the vintage pre75, I get so pissed off. Know wonder clubs wipe there hands and walk away from running any events. If there was no events at all people would be still winging.
The cost to put an event on is not cheap, when riders don`t support it, throw the towel in and walk away. >:(
Aside our differences,I have no idea how you can make such outlandish statements. Wrecking pre75? Mouthing off so much. About what? Wiping their hands and walking away?
So the cost of going over to Tasmania is not an issue? Time off work? For me specifically work has been bad since 2010. Do I pull money out of my arse? Also Tasmania obviously doesn't have a big following of the later classes as there was how many entries all up? A majority of the people from that particular state enter a championship no matter where it is. To expect the majority to come from interstate in my opinion would be a hard task. What a shame for Shane and the club either way. There is no doubt in my mind if you had a pre 78 nats it would be successful. It would be the same if it was in Wa. There ( I am assuming a bit here) is a huge pre75 following but not the later classes.
The only states that could handle a post nats will be Vic, Canberra, nsw or qld as there is a local following ( majority) and the interstaters.
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It's a real shame as we all know how passionate Shane and his club are. But as was already stated i think MA made a poor decision to place the championships in Tassie for the first split one, where they should have placed it on the east coast to gain the support. There should be know blame passed on to Shane and his boys as they like all of us are very passionate about the sport. But MA did not do the right thing for the sport. Do we ponder the question as to MA's thinking towards classic/post classic championships. There are some great people working with MA but did they think this one through properly.
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It's a real shame as we all know how passionate Shane and his club are. But as was already stated i think MA made a poor decision to place the championships in Tassie for the first split one, where they should have placed it on the east coast to gain the support. There should be know blame passed on to Shane and his boys as they like all of us are very passionate about the sport. But MA did not do the right thing for the sport. Do we ponder the question as to MA's thinking towards classic/post classic championships. There are some great people working with MA but did they think this one through properly.
I'm pretty sure that's not how it works. Ma will probably choose of there are more than one submission for a national event. So the way I understand it, a club puts their hand up to run a national event. If more than one, ma will choose which one . I'm sure Shane said that no one put their hand up for the post nationals, so the Tasmanian club put their hand up. If there is only one, naturally they would have a great chance of getting it I would think.
No one is at fault and no one is to blame.
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There are some great people working with MA but did they think this one through properly.
No they didn't but I don't think anyone should be pointing fingers. It is a shame that it went tits up and I'm sure there's a lot of ill feeling about that. It's not down to people not supporting post '78 though.
I think after the success of the Nats there a few years ago it was expected the same would happen. Obviously most of those guys were predominantly Pre 78.
Hold next year's in NSW on a non-holiday weekend and it'll be a sell-out. Just don't pander to the minority who don't like the 'jumpy, bumpy' bits (they're never gunna win anyhow.... ::))
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I said it in my first post but when you look at the program for eg the one just held up here, a majority of entrants are locals or there abouts. At a wild guess 70%? I think that a place like Tasmania or if held in Wa the local percentage would be even higher. Without really knowing the numbers but what I have read for eg pre75 is huge in Wa but pre 90 is extremely small. I would think on my own assumptions of course that a post classic nationals in Wa would fail due to lack of local numbers.
Seeing that the locals were only single figures in entering the Tasmanian event, it would say to me that the pre90 movement is extremely small there as well.
It seems ' if you build it they will come ' is what the Tassie guys were hoping for but unfortunately did not happen.
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Hold next year's in NSW on a non-holiday weekend and it'll be a sell-out
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I think you're right Ross but on another tack...is there a chance this years event can be put on at another location at such short notice? Perhaps there's a club in Victoria, NSW, or Queensland that's prepared to take up the challenge?
(Just a random thought that there might be a faint light at the end of the tunnel.) :-\
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these events will allways succeed where the higher support base is, so MA needs to award these events accordingly, their fees are so high to conduct a National Title , they must use some common sense. Tassie is a long way for the majority of punters, as good as the club is, it's hard to warrant the expense to travel and compete as a back marker. MA should be appointing clubs to conduct the meeting on a share profit basis, not put the sole risk of the event on the organizing club.
cheers worms
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That's a crying shame as I like and respect the folks behind it. Unfortunately I still believe that holding the inaugural event away from the mainland was always headed for disaster based on the current state of the economy and the costs involved in getting over Bass Strait. I still believe that the split was the correct direction that the sport needed to take but for the first year of the new concept it needed to be as accessible to as many racers as possible to ensure the event was a success. Unfortunately, to most Post Classic racers Tassie is a little too inaccessible.
thats more than 2twice this year firko.... i have to agree with you and these where my thoughts exactly. Perhaps the split needed a dry run with the numbers on then mainland on a strong post 78 club and track to set the concept in motion so it got a solid start and thne peel off to the wider states as the punters come to terms with it.
however whats done is done, we just have to make it happen next year, and tap into that rider base, rather than hope pre 75 guys have bikes to be able to ride up.
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Just maybe they shouldn't have been split maybe the Championships should have been run over 3-4 days pre 78 first while the track is not too cut up and post 78 after?
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i dont ride mx only d/t with the split in d/t i will only do the pre78 nats.
i have a few bikes and projects but not 1 is after pre78
just my thoughts and position on the splits
jim
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Does anyone no if there is a possibility of it bein run somewhere else. I no echo valley in qld might be a possibility as we have missed a lot of events this year due to weather. What do you think?
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I agree worms, why do MA charge so much to hold a meeting any way, and Would'nt it be good to see it at Echo Valley, got my support Yungy and l will help in any way l can..
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I feel for the Tassie guys who must have put in a lot of work for the dismal response.
In what must be a world first, I agree with Firko, Freaky and Mont (among others).
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In what must be a world first, I agree with Firko, Freaky and Mont (among others).
I had to run out just now and ask the postie to slap me several times..... :D
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I had to run out and slap the postie a few times...
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This year classic scramble club ran a club scramble meeting at Barrabool, for us to hire the natural terrain land off MA cost us $1000, that not including the rest of the fees, to hire Barrabool main race track for day will cost you $3000, so with these prices, this is what a club has to deal with, it gets to a point of saying its not worth it, running a meeting with the hope that the entry may come in, and if they don`t, the host club would have 2nd thoughts about doing it again, My feelings is that Motorcycling Australia and Motorcycling Victoria are slowing killing the sport with the cost of permits and fees, most of the clubs are gone. To survive hear in victoria, we need to go back to the way it was when the vintage started in the 90`s, a 6 round victoria state series, and thats it.
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Well that is a shame, and proves a point over the last couple of years, with arguments about the split, you go one way, just goes to show their is no support from the young fellows who mouth off so much, and try and stuff up the vintage pre75, I get so pissed off. Know wonder clubs wipe there hands and walk away from running any events. If there was no events at all people would be still winging.
The cost to put an event on is not cheap, when riders don`t support it, throw the towel in and walk away. >:(
So Dave, which of the Main-Land entries was you mate?
The first one? The second one? Or the third one mate? Which one Dave?
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I don`t race pre90
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I don`t race pre90
Woops, my fault dave. After reading your three strongly opinionated previous posts on the subject, I somehow concluded that you must consider yourself to be an authority on the subject ;D
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With 22 years of being involve with vmx racing I feel that I should be Authorise to have an opinion, being president and founder of the Classic scramble club and life member, and president and secretary of the colac motorcycle club, founding member of the classic sub-committee of M.V. plus owner of Classic dirt bike market Magazine and advertising manager of VMX Magazine, plus raced every vmx meeting from the day it started 1990 onwards. Plus origanizing one of the most succesfull Vintage meeting at Mortlake in 1993, with 3500 spectators alone through the gate and over 200 riders entered, yes mick I do have authority on the subject.
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Well touche' Dave, although I agree with very little? anyone that works hard to make it or keep it happening is most certainly deserved of a go on the soap box. At the very least.
But I see a lot more optimism and common sense in these two posts;
There are some great people working with MA but did they think this one through properly.
No they didn't but I don't think anyone should be pointing fingers. It is a shame that it went tits up and I'm sure there's a lot of ill feeling about that. It's not down to people not supporting post '78 though.
I think after the success of the Nats there a few years ago it was expected the same would happen. Obviously most of those guys were predominantly Pre 78.
Hold next year's in NSW on a non-holiday weekend and it'll be a sell-out. Just don't pander to the minority who don't like the 'jumpy, bumpy' bits (they're never gunna win anyhow.... ::))
Hold next year's in NSW on a non-holiday weekend and it'll be a sell-out
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I think you're right Ross but on another tack...is there a chance this years event can be put on at another location at such short notice? Perhaps there's a club in Victoria, NSW, or Queensland that's prepared to take up the challenge?
(Just a random thought that there might be a faint light at the end of the tunnel.) :-\
It would be a hard rabbit to drag out of a hat?
but since you feel so strong about it? maybe you could use your time, powers, contacts and influence to attempt exactly that of Firko's suggestion.
A wire-ally wabbit to tame, but have a go hey. You will most likely receive the good will, respect and accolades of most. certainly mine if you have a go. Even if it proves fruitless. Good luck.
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Well thats right Alison, I forgot to mention to mick, I also origanized vintage race meeting to raise funds for the Make a wish foundation kids with Cancer, 2 years running, very succesfull too.
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Thats ok Mick, I have had my time, and hard work, If I was voted back as a committee member maybe, I am having a lot of trouble keeping the vmx flame alive inside of me, I do need to get out more and enjoy the sport that I enjoyed so much, we will see what happen. Even our club is struggleing on entry at our meetings.
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So Aust. Post didn't get the STAMP of approval!
Bring pack the P.M.G.!
Sorry ::) couldn't help myself.
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Sorry it didnt come of for the Tassie guys , but I have to agree with the fact that maybe the first time it would have been better off with a well known club with a strong post 78 support base. I'm unsure if Tassie was the only club to put there hand up for this event?