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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: firko on December 26, 2011, 04:15:35 pm
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Back in 1989 VMX was purely a pre 75 thing but that didn't stop some of the racers from building weird and wacky specials.The late John Hine was a dyed in the wool Bultaco man yet he also had a soft spot for Yamahas. John was given a blown up YZ ( 125J perhaps ???) and after running the tape measure over it he figured that a Bultaco Pursang 250 motor would look pretty much at home mounted between the rails. As you can see it turned out pretty well, especially considering it was built in 1988/9.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/Picture275-1.jpg)
At around the same time over in WA Frank Veradi had an buggered '82 Maico and a B44 BSA motor sitting around doing nothing. Being a handy sort of bloke, he put 'em both thogether and created his Beeza/Maico hybrid.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/Picture273.jpg)
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Was that Wacky or Wanky..... still nothing like chomping up an MX bike and inserting a vastly slower archaic 4 stroke, heres my contribution, Bruin special off Trademe which the seller assures us is a major part of NZ motorcycling history. Man those XL350 motors will just about transform anything.
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/198963987_full.jpg)
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Can't wait to see what turns up in this thread! Should be fun! ;D
Not that it's important, but I reckon that Yammy with the Pursang engine might be an '82 'J' model.
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i reckon you are on the money Tony as rear linkage was J only.
that RM / XL350 is a real shitter ::)
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My 2 cents worth on the bike in the top photo is a yz 100 j, the frame around the airbox is different from the 125`s. Peter.
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Another wacky combo, a Hodaka Thunderdog 250 powered '78 Maico Magnum
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/HODIEMAICO3.jpg)
Below: A Husky 4 stroke powered Maico
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/MaicoHusky.jpg)
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that RM / XL350 is a real shitter ::)
Apparently professionally built, I assume the builders profession involved making sausages. Speaking of which we have this artistically lightened Super Sonic .... engine as stressed member, or someone holding on to their member
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/15496859-28347-large.jpg)
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still in special building you sometimes get a pearl amongst the dose of crabs. :P
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/PROJECT011.jpg)
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had a kx125a5 with a tm400 engine
and a yz125k with a cr480 engine
and a cz125 1974 with a rt360 eng ;D ;D
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(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af289/saloon3/023.jpg)
TGM FRAME..the rest is obvious ;D
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Is it just me or do these photos disturb anyone else? :-\ These people should be shot, messing with these classics they way they have. Looking through these photos is like watching a train wreck in slow motion, or perhaps more like that very uneasy feeling you have when one of your mates sends you a Powerpoint email of this gorgeous looking Asian girl with perfect curves and as you progress through the photos the final couple reveal She is really a He!! ???
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when one of your mates sends you a Powerpoint email of this gorgeous looking Asian girl with perfect curves and as you progress She is really a He!! ???
cmon on Dude, no fooling us, that was your last holiday experience in Thailand.
Anyways building 4 stroke specials out of blown up other bikes goes back to an era when we wearn't rolling in cash so you had to recycle a little ..... just some recyclers are better than others.
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/Cocky20Meadows20XR5701-1.jpg)
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Is it just me or do these photos disturb anyone else?
Jesus Kenneth, that's a bit harsh isn't it? If you took the time to delve into our sports beginnings you'd find that there was a time when the production motocross bike didn't exist. You couldn't walk into a mega store and buy a bike made specifically to race motocross off the shop floor...you had to build your own. Scrambles bikes were constructed from road bikes using your engine of choice in the lightest and best handling frame using the best available suspension components. The most popular of those 'specials' was the TriBSA which consisted of a Triumph Twin engine fitted to a BSA frame. There were many other variations of the hybrid special and as the sport progressed, more and more innovation came into being.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/tribsa3.jpg)
Above and below, two great examples of the TriBSA concept.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/tribsa2.jpg)
These people should be shot, messing with these classics they way they have
Harsh again Ken, I've built a number of engine swap specials over the years (XL350 Honda powered CZ, XL350 powered Montesa King Scorpion, Triumph T100 500 powered Bultaco M11 "Metisse", XR500 powered CR250 RZ and more) and have never "messed with a classic" at all. Each one of the donor frames was saved from the scrap yard or had been rooted to within a skerrick of its usable life by its previous owner. I'm pretty sure I speak for most special builders when I say that I'd never chop up a complete, restorable bike to build a hot rod.
Sure some engine swaps don't make a lot of sense to anybody but their builder but I think that's overridden by the originality and interesting engineering they add to the mix. Without the low volume bikes (CCM, Cheney, Rickman, ATK etc) and home made specials our sport could run the risk of becoming a sea of dull same old, same old plastic covered clone bikes. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing at all wrong with well restored stock bikes, they're the foundation of what our movement's about but one blokes standard resto is little different to another blokes standard resto. I believe that the hot rod special injects a bit of much needed colour and individuality into the mix.
From the special builders perspective it gives us a chance to use our imagination, show off our engineering skills and inject a bit of artistic flair into our creation. The special gives those among us who 'march to the beat of a different drummer' a chance to express ourselves by competing on something we've created ourselves.
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still in special building you sometimes get a pearl amongst the dose of crabs. :P
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/PROJECT011.jpg)
Is that one of yours, Marc? Very nice regardless. ;D
And looks close enough to the real thing that a lot of people wouldn't notice. Plus it would be a damn sight more reliable. :D
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If you think that engine swap bikes are the domain of the backyard builder/club racer, think again.
Swedish former World 500 champion Bill Nilsson built the below bike for the 1964 World 500 Motocross Championships using a highly modified Bultaco Metisse frame and an ESO unit construction scrambler engine. The bike performed admirably but a mid season broken leg put an end to the campaign. This is the bike that inspired Black Betty to be built.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/bisonesomet.jpg)
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In 1959 Brian Stonebridge was a works Greeves rider but as the factory didn't build an open class racer he built his own using a 250 Greeves rolling chassis and a 350cc NSU Sportmax 4 stroke engine. The bike was an instant success but unfortunately the factory 'weren't amused' and he was stopped from racing it and told to stick to the factory made products ;). Stonebridge was killed the following year and the bike lay in the family shed for 40 years until restored by his son (pictured with the bike). Frank Stanborough has built a tribute to this bike which is looking to be a good 250 class pre 65 racer in the making.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/STONEBRIDGE.jpg)
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Z1500R Nice............ :D Still I never have had a Mouldwing to muck about with! :)worrying............
I must resurrect my CB500/4 powered SL125 from the ashes one day....
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Is that one of yours, Marc? Very nice regardless. ;D
And looks close enough to the real thing that a lot of people wouldn't notice. Plus it would be a damn sight more reliable. :D
Unfortunately not mine though I do have the bits to build one. Yeah along with Cocky's XR/CR/KLX one of the best finished specials I have seen.
Now here is a neat and tidy way to repower and RM400
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/1108-1.jpg)
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Totally usless for motocross but I reckon it's brilliant....... 750 Can-Am triple
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/CAKawa.jpg)
sorry bout the little photo...I'm still battling my external hard drive.
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As I said earlier, some engine swaps make more sense to their builders than anyone else but one engine swap bike that seems to ring everyone's bells and has been extremely successful is 'Yamaico Pete's' legendary Yamaico which has been around nearly as long as vintage motocross and dirt track has been around in Oz.
Pete fitted a basket case Maico square barrel roller with a Yamaha MX250 engine, a Husky tank and a few other bits he had laying around the garage. The bike was a winner from the moment it first hit the track in both motocross and dirt track guise as shown here.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/Picture263-1.jpg)
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Most of these specials are made from scraps that are destined for the tip. Mine saved one completely ruined frame that had the lower half was rusted away, that section was removed as it was not needed. The motor was someone elses left over bits which I had to scrounge up the rest.
If it was not for specials there would be less bikes out there.
This is my Honda powered YZ. Do not care what anyone else thinks I am Happy with it and it is one more bike out there.
(http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n542/fastesthead/BILD2109.jpg)
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I have the urge to build a sc500 motor with 5speed mx 360 gears into a mx 1975 frame . put on yzb side covers yza/b tank have all the parts one day I 'll build it .
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although you cant see it this had a brand new RM250A engine fitted, dam fun bike that Hume wier 1976(http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n606/chrisdespo/RM250Apoweredracer.jpg)
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Is that one of yours, Marc? Very nice regardless. ;D
And looks close enough to the real thing that a lot of people wouldn't notice. Plus it would be a damn sight more reliable. :D
Unfortunately not mine though I do have the bits to build one. Yeah along with Cocky's XR/CR/KLX one of the best finished specials I have seen.
Now here is a neat and tidy way to repower and RM400
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/1108-1.jpg)
That looks to be well done , but you have to ask why ??? ??? The bike came from the factory with a perfectly good motor, so WTF would you fit a diesal trail bike motor ::)
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This is my Honda powered YZ. Do not care what anyone else thinks I am Happy with it and it is one more bike out there.
For what it's worth, I love it Neil...it's ample proof that left over crap can be turned into a serious and well constructed race bike if you know what you're doing. .......... I notice the tail light of the Mustang poking into the photo...How's that project going mate?
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How's this for a beautiful little special? It's worth posting just to play the parts guessing game. I can see..........
*Husky frame
*Yamaha forks ??
*XR75 or XR80 motor
*Kawasaki tank
I love how it all falls so seamlessly together...if I didn't know better i'd swear it's a factory product. ::)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/roach90.jpg)
This is one that could have been a reasonable swap if only somebody else had done it. I really hope that a decent MX250 Harley wasn't sacrificed to fit what looks to be a DT250 B motor. I'm figuring that the Harley engine shit itself, the hillbilly couldn't or wouldn't spend the money to fix it so he stuck an old Yammy motor he had laying around the shed. I guess he lost the momentum when he came to the pipe. The DT2 tank doesn't do the bike any favours either.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/Harleybasket.jpg)
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and you wouldn't need a headlight to ride at night either because of the light from the flames coming out the exhaust port
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BUMP
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Totally usless for motocross but I reckon it's brilliant....... 750 Can-Am triple
Pretty good for the holeshot though. If doesn't get to the first corner first on sheer blinding speed it will because all the other riders hung back to hear that glorious triple wail.
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hang back!!!! no way you would get totally covered in shit from the back wheel and the pilots ar....
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here is my Suzonda.....RM125X fitted with an overbored XL185 engine.
no motocrosser but a damn fine traibike that served me well for years.
note the long range fuel tank for big trips, counterbalanced by the army surplus catridge box/come toolbox on the front
(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u125/mhplum/Rotationofsuzonda002.jpg)
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and my mates TS125 import fitted with a similar motor
check out his front sprocket ( And his shit haircut that he knew nothing about until this pic came out )
(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u125/mhplum/Rotationofwayne008.jpg)
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Tell ya mate I had the same hair cut once ;)when I had hair ;D
nice job on the front sprocket , chain roll up havent seen that one before ::)
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KTonda, my trailbike.
(http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r539/brentjos/KTonda/ktm2.jpg)
XR200 motor in a 1990KTM250 frame. Soon to get a CRF230 repower!
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mmm...ktonda....just happen to have a 91 ktm roller out the back.....and an XR200 motor in pieces ::)
back to reality, Dicky knee, unfit and i have a perfectly good quad with a big arse seat and power steering to get my outdoors bush fix ;)
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(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/$T2eC16JHJIQE9qUHrVqFBQN0(GL4(g~~60_3.JPG)
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MINI-BIKE-TAS-SUZUKI-GT-550-MOTOR-/370642421643?pt=AU_Motorcycles&hash=item564c02878b (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MINI-BIKE-TAS-SUZUKI-GT-550-MOTOR-/370642421643?pt=AU_Motorcycles&hash=item564c02878b)
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Needs a knobby on the back....
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I do like this and I would love to have a Ride on it ....
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A Penda 125 or a KTM / Penton with a Honda 125 4 stroke
(http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t512/oz555ktm/dcadfa2a.jpg)
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Here's a little scooter that would tighten the sphincter of anyone deranged enough to ride it at speed, a 750 Kawasaki triple powered Maico...possibly an '80 model
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/Maicotriple.jpg)
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Love The Penda!!!!! and the 750 Maico MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM YES PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
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Here's a couple that were done back in the day. One my Dad SP370/RM400 conversion done in 79
and one of his mates Maico/XL350 conversions. Also the remains of a 2 stroke Husky that someone tried to fit a 510 four stroke engine in? Will get it together one day.
Great thread and keep them coming.
(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk78/dewy321/RM400-1.jpg)
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(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk78/dewy321/XL-1.jpg)
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Heres one I'm playing with Rl250 with tm 400 engine, why? cause I can!
(http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r597/lumbark/001_zpsf54b7392.jpg)
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Here's one that reminds me of Yamaico Pete's legendary Yamaico back on page 2 .An SC500 Yamaha powered early Maico.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/15492966-28438-large.jpg)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/15492966-284382-large.jpg)
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Prob go very well Firko. Looks ok too.
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Always love Petes work 8) im very jealous of his vision and talent . All Petes builds show that if you are capable then building a cool racer doesn't have to break the bank :)
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Always love Petes work im very jealous of his vision and talent . All Petes builds show that if you are capable then building a cool racer doesn't have to break the bank
I couldn't agree more Bill. Peter's low budget/high quality creations laid them in the isles at CD9. Not only were the finish and engineering beyond reproach, the bikes performed up to the same high standard, they're not just show ponies. The standards set by Pete and Frank with his new Mojo Matchless in the Kevlar Kompound at CD9 have prompted AJ and I to vow that our new hot rod bikes will not leave our sheds unless they can match the workmanship, finish and performance in Pete and Franks creations. It'll be interesting to see what Yamaico Pete comes up with next year ;D.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/CD9105.jpg)
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Time to pass on some more love um or hate um ;)
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