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Marque Remarks => KTM => Topic started by: Oppet on September 20, 2011, 06:32:19 am

Title: Ktm 197?
Post by: Oppet on September 20, 2011, 06:32:19 am

What does Ktm experts say
what year?
cm3?
for parts or restore?
http://www.nettimoto.com/ktm/ktm/1205650

Title: Re: Ktm 197?
Post by: Tahitian_Red on September 20, 2011, 08:17:34 am

Looks like a '73 or earlier Jack-Piner frame with some '75 Enduro parts on it.   ???

Title: Re: Ktm 197?
Post by: Slakewell on September 20, 2011, 08:32:45 am

Because of the front forks I would say it's 75 , 76 /77 had leading axle front forks. Some enduro 76 models had those forks as well.

Title: Re: Ktm 197?
Post by: Tahitian_Red on September 20, 2011, 10:03:55 am

I was looking at the curvature of the front, lower frame tubes.  I have a '73 Jack-Piner frame I was going to use for a Franken-Bike and it is more "swoopy doopy" than the 74-77 250 frames.
 ;D

Jackpiner

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g438/Tahtitian_Red/PentonJackpiner3.jpg)

'75 250

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g438/Tahtitian_Red/KTM_Frame2.jpg)

Title: Re: Ktm 197?
Post by: Brian Watson on September 20, 2011, 02:22:01 pm

Frame is pre 1974..top shock mounting modified/ laid over.....engine is Sachs....too much of a bitsa for me..

Title: Re: Ktm 197?
Post by: ozktm151 on September 20, 2011, 05:03:22 pm

My take is its a 1974 125 as the last of the Sachs motored 125s came with 7 inch 35mm Cerianis as this one has and the frames had the top shock mount laid down as this one has. This frame also carried over with the first of the KTM 125 engines. You will see photos of the first KTM 125 with a similar frame but maybe with a different swingarm.

Title: Re: Ktm 197?
Post by: Oppet on September 20, 2011, 09:45:04 pm

Thanks for opinions, I think my BSA wants those forks.
Why its always me who finds smallest bikes??

Title: Re: Ktm 197?
Post by: Oppet on September 21, 2011, 02:14:51 am

I picked front end of it.
I think it was samekind frame as here http://www.pentonusa.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12880

Are these front brakes any good for heavy four stroke Bsa b50?

when did this "new" style ceriani came to market? same as on the red KTM up there

Title: Re: Ktm 197?
Post by: ozktm151 on September 21, 2011, 05:59:59 pm

Yep same frame. See the 4 12 for the frame number. Made in Dec 1974.The newer 35mm Cerianis came out on the first of the 250s in 1973 and then filtered down to the rest. The forks on the red GP framed 250? (because it has a red tank) are 8 inch 35mm ones as there is the gusset for the brake torque arm lug and the bottom of the leg is thinner than the 7 inch ones. Brake is ok but YZ one would be better.

Title: Re: Ktm 197?
Post by: Oppet on October 01, 2011, 07:35:09 am

You see what I ment about these small bikes... http://www.nettimoto.com/sachs/xtc/1210866
Any idea of this?  Whats missing and how hard are thay to find? I know pictures are bad
This I could take to my bedroom  ;D after makeup

or couldthis be even 250?

Title: Re: Ktm 197?
Post by: ozktm on October 01, 2011, 11:34:34 pm

Most likely sachs 125 motor as per first Pentons.
(http://www.pentonusa.org/GalleryServerPro/gs/handler/getmediaobject.ashx?2ZU5y0cS%2FBJnv%2B049faJT8xptOtIQJquoJYS4ecps5K31yGk4jQIaQkx9P2CTSke5BRDb3LzOUNEsP55cDzF%2FTQb6r6IN8IOrkGkU1gOW7QxTX9nt8fho6VoncGcBk658e9KbGeb0Bog%2BdDO%2BCjGR1Xax1krMG0OsHManFrx9aGAMLeM%2FvahngEyeC4OrGI9OQyb6CDPj3765Wm%2BzXq7z9aGv0IqUbPj)