OzVMX Forum
Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lozza on February 21, 2008, 06:38:55 pm
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Hmmm saw a similar thing happen at the old Amaroo track. It would seem it also pays to read labels
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nQy72y6lU8
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And like they said on On Any Sunday II, "He's probably still got 24 payments to go on that signal fire." :D
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and I don't believe Broadford track work was inclusive in his $3000 insurance policy..
ya see those Rossi clones riding sporty stepthru's in peak hour..this is probably the reason why :)
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Note how quickly that was posted on Youtube ;D also how the flouro marshalls did nix except for making the flames bigger and wider,
Tis a cruel world sometimes :'(
Nah Tony this was real not staged
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Do not approach fire unless suitably protected ! Bare skin or highly flammable clothing + Fire just dont mix .Check state of crashed rider/riders and stop them approaching danger. prevent fire spotting and spreading. Use Foam NOT useless powder!!!!!!!!!!! and have a knowledgeable people teach ...you... how to use the appropriate extinguisher.
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thats shit, what sort of race meet canyt even get flaggies or fire mashalls, never mind the right equipmtment. what sort of show are you running up ther timbo ?
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I saw this happen to a Husky 400 at Inverell. But it made a comeback I dont think the R6 will.
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Freaky and anybody else that must be perfect.
What sort of race meeting cannot get enough flaggies or fire marshalls???? Most of them, smart arse. Look last time you went to a meeting or even the ten meetings prior did you volunteer to help !? Answer most likely %99 NO, You would have been forced to do the slightest of duties!!! fork I get seriously pissed off with racing bludgers that can slag off at race meetings and officials but would not even forken well fart to help out. Do you have a MA officials license??? have you ever shown another person how to operate safety equipment properly!(Do you forking well know yourself!!) I have, I do and I am and I have a up to date officials license from Steward on down.
What sort of show we running down here ????? tell me where else in Australia there is a dedicated Motorcycle Sports complex like Broadford. Now Piss off and take a good look around.
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(1) Gees I may have been having a worse than the usual poxy day that day above.... >:(
(2) As there has been nil responses to the tirade, maybe a lot of readers felt a little (lot) guilty !! ;)
(3) Come on friends outside of Australia tell me, no tell us ,all the "truth". Do you get all the quality helpers and trained officials at your meetings without having to use blackmail? Like no flagging no ride ?
Do you have always have totally fast and fun meetings with no nasty incidents ,and everybody respects all the directions made by officials? If yes tell us all the secret...... ??? Tim I am not holding my breath for a yes answer...
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Don't think that at all Tim, probably just cause you said we had "better fart to help out" So I guess everyones been doing just that ;D ;D ;D ;D
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(3) Come on friends outside of Australia tell me, no tell us ,all the "truth". Do you get all the quality helpers and trained officials at your meetings without having to use blackmail? Like no flagging no ride ?
**Do you have always have totally fast and fun meetings with no nasty incidents ,and everybody respects all the directions made by officials?
I am talking about VMX meetings below.
Tim, I will stand up and tell you the secret but you may not like it.
Yes 95% of our meetings are fast and fun, yes we have incidents, but this is a motorsport.
Over here in NZ, yes we have plenty of flag marshals(and if ask to be a flag marshal, all would be willing). I think one of the problems is that you guys have to have your meetings on purpose built MX tracks, where as we use natural terrian. Maybe this is why you need more officials, or why you feel the need to protect everyone who comes through the gates. Basically 2 guys run the meetings on the day (althought Kiwi VMX has 5 people in it)and they always seem to run on time without problems, lets face it, how many officials do you need to run a meeting?? The more officials you have the more confusing issues become with stupid petty arguments over nothing (half the time it is the officials who slow down meetings). The best rule you can have is commonsense.
Trained officials?? who trains them? A question for you... how blue is blue??
We are not members to/of any organisations, so we are responsible for our own safety(if you dont think something is safe, dont ride) its that simple.
The sooner you guys control your own sport, the richer you will be for it.
Yes, I know I will take a hit or two for what I say, but you asked for it and you wanted me to speak the truth.
Yes we have accidents. Our own webmaster felt the bite of a high side that ended in a fractured pelvis and broken collar bone, but ask him if he feels it was because something was unsafe or that an untrained official wasnt doing his job??
One of the worse accidents was a broken thigh bone, the guy is back racing and has won most of the classes he has entered in.
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DJ , you sumed it up . I think you will have a ball at CD5
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Great response DJ honest thanks, I made one poor mistake (grammar!!!) By incidents I meant protests and disputes track side, Of course we all suffer injuries and worst as motorcycle racing is dangerous sadly. (Get well soon all you injured OK :)
Love the sound of your meetings (and boy the sound of your tracks VMX Sidecar heaven ;D) but here in Aus. we have lots of greedy low life litigation lawyers and idiots that will not except "responsibility for their own actions!!' ,greenies, politicians, stupid whingers that buy a block beside an old established race track / riding area and complain about noise, dust, mud, filthy motorcyclists etc,etc,, that make things STOP happening ... >:( Keep riding in your marvelous special way as much as possible and enjoy it to the hilt! :D
Got to have lots of fond memories. Sooner or later the above mentioned lawyers and other swill grab ya's all by the balls. ::)
Oops Sorry answer to your training question, I attend at my own expense Steward /Senior officials courses and updates as given by qualified instructors from the controlling body of Motorcycle sports in Australia. aka. Motorcycling Australia or MA. These courses are subject to exams that must by passed to receive Officials licenses. Safety Fire and Life resuscitation I volunteer to the local Country Fire Authority here in Elmore to learn how to do these things properly, House and bushfire a horrifying tragic part of our lucky country. Then having an up to date First Aid certificate is also on my own expense agenda too. Cheers Tim
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Why can CD run without problems of rulebooks , lawyers ,protests , knuckleheads , and jumping through hoops to get a license? Just pure old time fun and ? Makes you think. It is possible in Australia or anywhere in the world , we have the prove. Thanks to the boys from VMX Magazine with a clear mind for our needs and wants. ;)
As a company we are happy and proud to support that healthy attitude for years to come.
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(3) The sooner you guys control your own sport, the richer you will be for it.
While I applaud the laid back style of your meetinds DJ, I believe our sport is controlled by us. Us, as in members of MA that have put forward what we believe the rules should be. It just takes a bit longer to get things changed.
Around late 85 I travelled to Holbrook NSW for a 3 hr Hare n Hound race. We had a practice lap the day before & I was riding down this track & noticed a group of riders had started a bonfire in the middle of the track. What are these idiots doing I thought?
When I got closer I realised it was a bike on fire, and the group was watching in disbeleif, some got close enough to try to throw some dirt on it to put it out but the fire was well entrenched. Then one of the rear shockers exploded & they just backed off & let it go. The poor guy said he had borrowed the bike from a mate too.
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Tim, to my knowledge there has never been a protest in VMX here. We are self governing (we as riders keep an eye on each other's bikes) and a quiet word would be all it would take for a rider to remedy a problem. The Kiwi VMX boys do not ask for much and yet put a great series on for all to participate in. Why would we as riders want to fork it up by cheating or disrespecting their minimal rules they have laid out for all of us??
I actually have a big problem trying to understand how a fellow vmxer would want to stop another fellow vmxer from riding. All I could say to that is "get over it, it isnt about you, VMX stands for Vintage MotoX, not veteran motocrosser".
I appreciate you concern with safety, and the training you have undertaken, I believe that the training you've done should be taught in schools as essential life skills.
By not being club members/organization or having a governing body, we are just a bunch of blokes riding old motocross bikes and having fun.
GMC, maybe you do as members of MA control yourselves, so I hope the noise control thing(96db) that has been talked about by members in here never comes to fruition.
Yes we maybe laid back, but it does seems to work. I am certainly not telling you how to run meetings or that your system is wrong, it just seems like you have allot of red tape to cut through. Could it be that if you didnt have to ride at purpose built MX tracks that some of the older bikes and riders would have greater numbers and would enjoy it more? Just a question.
So about the bike on fire, unless there is an extinguisher close at hand what could be done? Or are you saying that because it was the day before the event and there werent any officials nothing could be done? You have lost me. I'm not sure of you point about the fire, but yes I feel for the guy(rider) and the owner of the bike but at the end of the day this is an accident, and as the old saying goes "Shit Happens".
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What sort of race meeting cannot get enough flaggies or fire marshalls???? Most of them, smart arse. Look last time you went to a meeting or even the ten meetings prior did you volunteer to help !? Answer most likely %99 NO, You would have been forced to do the slightest of duties!!! fork I get seriously pissed off with racing bludgers that can slag off at race meetings and officials but would not even forken well fart to help out. Do you have a MA officials license??? have you ever shown another person how to operate safety equipment properly!(Do you forking well know yourself!!) I have, I do and I am and I have a up to date officials license from Steward on down.
What sort of show we running down here ????? tell me where else in Australia there is a dedicated Motorcycle Sports complex like Broadford. Now Piss off and take a good look around.
i have little to add timbo other than a decent road race meet should be able to supply at least track marshals, never mind the basic Ambo, as we paid to have it on standby at the track as part of the race fee. When i road track we also had the dedicated flag marshall's association onside, we donated to and they supplied members and we toped it up.
As far as a dedicated sports complex half your luck, but what road track should be approved by MA officals if it cant even supply the right type of fire extinguishers to put out a basic petrol fire. You can only assume its a track ride day and every one is just lending a hand, but what would have happened if it had blown up ? or the ridder was down on the track and run over and killed which nearly happend in the video ? last race you would be having there for a while while the incident was reveiwed.
that was a disarster waiting to happen, if your on that commitee or panel you should be rolling that video out and planning how that incedent could be better handled in the future, if one more thing had gone wrong in the shot i would have been surprised and could have been tragic in so many ways, then you guessed it more "official dom" will come down on two wheelled sports because some smart arse consultants can show we cant organise ourselves.
just for the record i supply my misses for flags at most events i ride, and i have assisted our club on come and try days, and more so help when we have the kids rider testing days and log book start up/learn to rides, and yes thats an hour each way.
most fires are statred by CFS volunteers. ;)
so what was the question ?
ps............ i Still feel for the bloke, that's got to hurt. :o
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You know the KISS system ? Keep It Simple Stupid :o
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Hi DJ, Yes we do have more red tape over here & it is frustrating, the "KISS" sytem should always be kept in mind.
I totally agree about the natural terrain tracks, we do need more of these, but we have limited track availabilty, despite the size of our country.
I think the Victorian races would be about half natural terrain, half purpose built tracks. It may be the soil & climate that is in your favour over their. The natural terrain tracks here can easily suffer from dust if the conditions aren't just right, & interesting terrain can sometimes be difficult to get a water truck around.
The fire at the enduro story was just an experiance I thought I would share, it was about half way through a 40 min loop miles from anything & no one was to blame. Their was no real moral to it, if anything, shit happens & sometimes their ain't nothing you can do.
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Well to answer the question, my first impulse of thinking was; "Rider got out ok, flags out, hey we aint got an extinguisher near big enough for this mess - if it happened at my place I would have got on my track grooming tractor & front bladed the horrid burning mess to one side....oops! now we got a grass fire too!".
I don't know, by the look of that crash I reckon you'd need an aircraft style foam pumper truck, maybe some big bore Co2 extinguishers could cope.
I remember many years ago racing buckets at Ohaaki airbase tarmac & a guy went down big time. The fuel cap got ripped off, tank contents unloaded as the machine made a shower of sparks sliding down the road. He had some bad burns to his legs but otherwise ok. Not sure how the Feds felt about us crash & burning on the airforce tarmac but they sure had the gear to deal with it.
Ah, then there was the time I must have been 14/15 yrs & the 305 Honda Dream/nightmare. Just picture it, leaking fuel tap onto crankcases, no headers - blue flame out the ports = BURN...no worries just ripped off my shirt & beat out the fire!.
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I had one of those Honda Dream's as my first bike, I always referred to as my nightmare too. They had some sort of cavity in the top of the crankcase under the carbies. I got mine in a million pieces from a guy who had stripped it because of a fire. Apparently the cavity filled up when the carbies leaked & then it backfired & so I got it cheap.
It eventually became a pile of molten scrap after a bushfire went through my parents place around 1980.