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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: fatboyracing on June 02, 2011, 06:05:26 am
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New Rule Book for 2012
We think that the changes are what everyone has asked for much easier to understand.
If you are building a new bike use these as a guide line
Classic and Post Classic Classes
We need to know what you think send your comments, suggestions to your SCB or Ross Martin
Changes and new rules can be found from the link below(hope it works)
http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Reports___Minutes/2011/80010633_CMX_Comm_minutes_May_11.pdf
Cheers
Fatboy
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Well done guys. A massive improvement.
A few questions though:
What does OEM mean?
Will Dirt Track bikes with down pipes be excluded from Post Classic meetings?
Do Evo bikes have to also be Pre 1990 models?
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Thats cleaner for sure.
Takes the ambiguity out of the year-of-manufacture qualification. :)
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quick print it or save it before it get`s pull of the ma site!!!
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excuse the ignorance - which club is BMCC?
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Brisbane......... i think Ross
Will there be a Period guide published ? the good thing about the old one was it listed model indicating , so it was easy for scrutineers to see what bike needs to go where.
On state and club days its easy to move bikes up and down eras if your smartarse. i wouldnt have a clue after pre 75 or before pre 68 so how is a normal punter going to referance what goes where ? even some riders dont have a clue and there in the event ( see mx 125 c in pre 75 even with the laydowns).
can there be an Model list published so its makes it easier ? also if its not in the rules then it can be update or changed easily by you the Commision rather than having to go through all the rule change mumbo jumbo.
I think there is also and issue in the PRe 75 class DT250B should read YZ 250B as the Dt was a twin shock and same motor till 77 only then did the motor really changed, so it dont needs to be there ... maybe a typo .
same happens in the pre 70 it should say pre reedblock motor, the way it reads its sounds like its talking about the bike itself, which is the same as the reed block anyway and vise versa.
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excuse the ignorance - which club is BMCC?
Brisbane Motor Cycle Club
What does OEM mean?
It's Dutch for "Onder Eigen Merk" (Under Own Brand) sometimes "Original Equipment Manufacturer" is used in English. If you go to Holden and buy a spare part made by them it's "OEM" but if you go to Supercheap and buy a part made by a supplier not connected with Holden then it's refered to as "Aftermarket".
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Excellent news on The Split, and on pre-90.
:)
I'll reserve judgement on the rest until I've had a much more careful read, but its looking like there's still quite a few unresolved issues despite the obvious good intention.
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What does OEM mean?
It's Dutch for "Onder Eigen Merk" (Under Own Brand) sometimes "Original Equipment Manufacturer" is used in English. If you go to Holden and buy a spare part made by them it's "OEM" but if you go to Supercheap and buy a part made by a supplier not connected with Holden then it's refered to as "Aftermarket".
I know that. But what does it mean for us?
Does it mean that I cannot stick a Honda motor in a Yamaha and call it a Boddy Special?
Does it mean that I cannot stick a YZ125F motor in my IT175F chassis and call it a IT125F (or YZ125F)?
Does it mean that I cannot fit Renthal handle bars or Magura levers or a DG swingarm?
Does it mean that I cannot fit a flatslide carby unless it is the original that came with the bike?
The term OEM must be defined because otherwise everyone will have their own idea of what it means.
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geeze
if a YZ motor is fitted to a Honda (some might argue a huge improvement) and both the components are pre 75 for example its OK, what isnt OK is to take a Unitrack KX and turn it into a twin shock and race in the EVO class, the equipment can be mix and match but you cant cut up later stuff to fit another class.
Read the rules, if it says you can only use a round slide away you go, if it allows flat slide then its noted there in, if you could get a DG swingarm in 74 (or a suitably correct replica) for your 74 Honda happy trails its OK - but if you have a DG swingarm that was only available in 78 on that bike its not OK. Its really clear and really simple
OEM has been in the rule book for years and is there after newer bikes were cut to fit mainly in the EVO class.
As for the bars and levers................
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Hi Dave. All those questions were specifically about what OEM means in the Evo rules.
http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?action=printpage;topic=1350.0 (http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?action=printpage;topic=1350.0)
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geez Dave - you're a cheeky bugger sometimes! Yamaha in a Honda frame - being an improvement ???
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C'mon Ross - its a big improvement on the Honda.
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I see defining Classic and Post classic as a positive move :)
No change to the fuel section with unhistorical unleaded still in and unhistorical E85 still out although both are available at the bowser
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I see defining Classic and Post classic as a positive move :)
No change to the fuel section with unhistorical unleaded still in and unhistorical E85 still out although both are available at the bowser
Yep, blame one of our State HSC for that
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Hi Dave. All those questions were specifically about what OEM means in the Evo rules.
http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?action=printpage;topic=1350.0 (http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?action=printpage;topic=1350.0)
It means that it left the factory as a twin shock, air cooled not linkage machine. If it fits that then its 100% OK.
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Reproduction frames are no good for pre-75 and newer, right?
Was this intended? I'd be pretty unhappy if I was a frame manufacturer.
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Thank you Fatboy , job well done . Iain
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I know that. But what does it mean for us?
Does it mean that I cannot stick a Honda motor in a Yamaha and call it a Boddy Special?
Heres the deal Mate, close your eyes and imagine you're in 1974 - now look around at what you can buy (in 1974 remember) and do what you like with those bits.
Heres a good example, when John Kemp won the 125 title in 2000 at Cherrabah, his CR125 had a 1974 barrel modified by hand with an additional boost port to 1974 Honda (or Mugen) works spec rather than simply drop a 1975 barrel on which came with the same boost port (as other did). John simply modded his bike as if it was 1974 understanding that 1975 parts didn't exist ... a crucial and extremely simple point.
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It means that it left the factory as a twin shock, air cooled not linkage machine. If it fits that then its 100% OK.
Great. Thanks Dave. Let's say that in the rules then.
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I know that. But what does it mean for us?
Does it mean that I cannot stick a Honda motor in a Yamaha and call it a Boddy Special?
Heres the deal Mate, close your eyes and imagine you're in 1974 - now look around at what you can buy (in 1974 remember) and do what you like with those bits.
Heres a good example, when John Kemp won the 125 title in 2000 at Cherrabah, his CR125 had a 1974 barrel modified by hand with an additional boost port to 1974 Honda (or Mugen) works spec rather than simply drop a 1975 barrel on which came with the same boost port (as other did). John simply modded his bike as if it was 1974 understanding that 1975 parts didn't exist ... a crucial and extremely simple point.
Mark, thats not 100% correct these days as the 75 CR125 is considered an acceptable follow on , i will comment further - look to next post
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Can I say that the vast amount of feedback off line to the rule amentments has been 100% positive. What we have with these new rules is effectivly no change to the way the rules were before just a clearer way of stating what they are.
The intent here is to encourage and foster riders in the sport and there has been no added restriction to any class of the sport in fact quite the reverse. There will always be a tweek here or there that can be made but in the main what we need to do is decide what we have is acceptable and apart from a small tweek here and there give the riders confidence that the framework will not alter.
To be frank what the Commission wants to encourage is guys building bikes, if you want to make a replica of a RH250 for example go right ahead - its acceptable under the rules, was before and is now.
At CD8 will be able to answer any questions or concerns on any part of the amendments and can assure you all that everything will be considered by the Commission.
211
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"encourage and foster riders into the sport" well why are you dropping out the juniors class?
cmx283 "the split" is it colin metcher proposal or the commission? shouldn`t colin have put in the proposed action as it is his recommendation.
the split is at pre 78 but with the introduction of the pre 90 class so if my club was to vote on cmx283 the split they would be voting cmx284 on bring in the pre 90 class that`s how i would read in to it.
the blame for the fuel rule should not be pointed at mnsw as the commission has time to refined it and has not!
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To be frank ..
I thought you were Dave?
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"encourage and foster riders into the sport" well why are you dropping out the juniors class?
cmx283 "the split" is it colin metcher proposal or the commission? shouldn`t colin have put in the proposed action as it is his recommendation.
the split is at pre 78 but with the introduction of the pre 90 class so if my club was to vote on cmx283 the split they would be voting cmx284 on bring in the pre 90 class that`s how i would read in to it.
the blame for the fuel rule should not be pointed at mnsw as the commission has time to refined it and has not!
Lets get this absolutly straight and to do so allow me to give you a few grabs from the actual minutes from MNSW
"The committee believes that the use of leaded fuel is not warranted" "The inclusion of E10 and E85 fuel should be embraced as the future of fuel"
I bet not one single person in NSW racing the VMX bike is using E10 let alone E85
Can I also say that there were threats to protest all bikes not using Methanol at the Nats of that year.
MNSW demanded - and suggested we needed to be word perfect in doing so.
Facts only everyone; now where is that fuel tester for the scruitineer...............
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We as the commission DO NOT make the rules you do through proposals sent to your SCBs or Clubs ,proposals even sent directly to the MA are considered. I personally take offence to people who say that the commission makes the rules without any consideration from any other person or body Dave,Rod and Myself dont even talk about something if there is not a proposal in writing on the table. Everyone has had plenty of time to put suggestions and proposals forward before our one meeting a year so please stop moaning about what the commission has or hasnt done and send in your comments /suggestions to Ross at MA before July. I think we have done a great job this year making the rules more simple and easy to understand.
Shane Fraser
Fatboy Racing
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Well done to the commission for making it clearer for those riders and newcomers to understand vmx rules, it shows that the Commision members are listening to the competitors, and its up to the riders now to understand the changers and there should be know problems with the future, and this vintage movement can move on and grow.
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you are right 211kawasaki not one single person is using e85(ron 105) as it is illegal too.
sorry fatboyracing if i have upset you with my comments about cmx283 the split. i wasn`t implying that the commission is making the rule change it`s just the way it reads to me.
under the title recommended/proposed action it is written that the "commission recommends the split at the 78 era" when we all know that this is colin metchers baby and the credit should go to him.
if my club votes yes to cmx 283 "the split" would it be voting yes to cmx 284 introduction pre 90?
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i wasn`t implying that the commission is making the rule change it`s just the way it reads to me.
under the title recommended/proposed action it is written that the "commission recommends the split at the 78 era" when we all know that this is colin metchers baby and the credit should go to him.
If you read CMX 283 it clearly outlines "Issue : The Split. Raised by : Colin Metcher . Recommended/Proposed Action : Commission recommends split at the pre-'78 era"
Nobody is trivialising Col's foresight or efforts in this matter, including MA
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We as the commission DO NOT make the rules you do through proposals sent to your SCBs or Clubs ,
Excuse if I'm asking the wrong person Shane, how did the unleaded fuel thing come about - I can't imagine anyone voting for it at club level?
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Not sure were it started cheapracer but it was sent to us from MNSW with no ones name on the document Like Dave said they have caused a few problems with unleaded fuels. We did send a response to MNSW saying unless there is a name on any proposals it will be thrown out by the commission. I think if the fuel is ready available at the bowser we should be able to use it.
No problems Micks all is good :)
Cheers
Fatboy
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Not sure were it started cheapracer but it was sent to us from MNSW with no ones name on the document
It has been observed before today that MNSW are a meddling lot whose influence, chicanery and rule juggling is inversely proportional to their contributions to the promotion of the sport. Time will tell...
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I wasn't going to post any comments about rules on forums anymore, because unless you take the time to follow the procedures and make a submission to MA, nothing will change anyway . But after a quick read of the link in the first post, I found that I agree with most of the wording, except the part about the 9 inch suspension travel limit on pre '78 bikes. I think that a 10 inch limit would be more realistic , as this was pretty much the standard in 1977 anyway . You shouldn't have to restrict the travel on a legitimate '77 model bike to meet the inferior standards of manufacturers that were lagging behind at the time. European bikes like the Husqvarna CRs and Montesa VBs are specifically mentioned as having to have their suspension limited, but there are many more '77 model bikes that exceed the 9 inch travel limit. Probably the most common and readily available '77 model bikes are the Yamaha YZ "D" which have 250mm(9.8 inches) of wheel travel advertised on the sales brochures . Something is wrong with the rules when the most common bike in the class has to be modified to meet the requirements.
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Not sure were it started cheapracer but it was sent to us from MNSW with no ones name on the document
It has been observed before today that MNSW are a meddling lot whose influence, chicanery and rule juggling is inversely proportional to their contributions to the promotion of the sport. Time will tell...
Ya got it in one, Fatboy and GD !!!
Foss