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Title: the Split
Post by: MXB4ME on May 15, 2011, 10:51:16 am
does anyone know if the proposed split is or isnt happening - I hear the commission is meeting soon on the matter to sort it out.
I reckon it shouldnt go ahead - we must have pre 90 though.
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: firko on May 15, 2011, 10:57:49 am
They're meeting at this very moment. I think you'll be pleased.
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: JohnnyO on May 15, 2011, 11:23:58 am
does anyone know if the proposed split is or isnt happening - I hear the commission is meeting soon on the matter to sort it out.
I reckon it shouldnt go ahead - we must have pre 90 though.
I reckon you're on drugs..
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: 090 on May 15, 2011, 06:30:22 pm
Just make it a week long event. Problem solved.
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: SAABCOMBI on May 15, 2011, 09:05:34 pm
The Split will happen, thats my guess.
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: SAABCOMBI on May 16, 2011, 08:26:39 pm
Has anybody heard if the 3 musketeers (3 manCommission Members) made any recommendation to the Spilt like all for one and one for all
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: worms on May 16, 2011, 08:38:52 pm
maybe they can decide what consitutues a race first, it's nowhere in the MOM's. Oh but dont worry, it's only the National showcase of our sport. ;D
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on May 16, 2011, 09:00:52 pm
love your work worms!
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: worms on May 17, 2011, 01:18:20 pm
I was going to say 15 or 10 minutes plus 1 lap at least, but that gets up sooooooo many noses, that i thought I would leave it alone.  :-X








ah bugger it!    to infinity and beyond, I think every other country has a std of 20 minute motos, we must all be just a bunch of pussies in Australia, where not peserving the sport, we're destroying it currently.


Worms






Title: Re: the Split
Post by: SAABCOMBI on May 17, 2011, 01:24:50 pm
I have been told today, in europe, the year model bike matches your age. for etc if l was to race at my age 55 on a pre 90 bike l wouldn`t be aloud. if l was to race my era which was the seventies it would be ok.
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: cheapracer on May 17, 2011, 02:48:35 pm
I have been told today, in Europe, the year model bike matches your age.

Thats an awesome system, would love to see that!

Maybe loosened up and just based on decades though, 30's for 30's, 50's for 50's etc ...
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: SAABCOMBI on May 17, 2011, 05:39:23 pm
It may cut out a lot of rot and free up classes, it may be a very good idea, worth looking at.
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: 211kawasaki on May 17, 2011, 10:21:03 pm
Has anybody heard if the 3 musketeers (3 manCommission Members) made any recommendation to the Spilt like all for one and one for all
What for? What good would that do?
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: firko on May 17, 2011, 10:33:46 pm
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I have been told today, in europe, the year model bike matches your age. for etc if l was to race at my age 55 on a pre 90 bike l wouldn`t be aloud. if l was to race my era which was the seventies it would be ok.
To quote the lovely Pauline..."Please explain..in plain English so even I can understand." Sound like a good way to kill off old bikes racing the way you've explained it Dave. ???
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: cheapracer on May 17, 2011, 11:26:21 pm

To quote the lovely Pauline..."Please explain..in plain English so even I can understand."

Seems simple, if you're 70 years old you can ride a 1970's bike, 50 years old a 1950's bike etc etc.

So you end up matching 40 years olds on B33's against 70 year olds on YZ's etc.

It won't practically work as a National rule but it's an awesome thought for a separate class at least.
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: worms on May 18, 2011, 05:19:55 am
stupid stuff guys,

people want to ride and race bikes of their era, once you start telling people something differant they wont! because they wont have any connection to the bikes they are riding.

now, back to the "sport of racing" or the "sport of showcasing", I like racing myself, theres no better way to preserve the sport and have our bikes doing what they were made for.

onward and upward with my one-man crusade to have min requirement for a "National Title Race", not every race day , just at the nationals, added to the MOM's.

cheers Worms
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: JohnnyO on May 18, 2011, 07:45:33 am
stupid stuff guys,

people want to ride and race bikes of their era, once you start telling people something differant they wont! because they wont have any connection to the bikes they are riding.

now, back to the "sport of racing" or the "sport of showcasing", I like racing myself, theres no better way to preserve the sport and have our bikes doing what they were made for.

onward and upward with my one-man crusade to have min requirement for a "National Title Race", not every race day , just at the nationals, added to the MOM's.

cheers Worms
Exactly! I've got no interest in riding an old clunker from the 50's.. i'd rather play lawn bowls ;)
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: SAABCOMBI on May 18, 2011, 08:13:32 am
Well l might be explaining it wrong, in europe they do it they that way, if anybody has access to a race program from europe please enlighten me too as l am also puzzled.
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: firko on May 18, 2011, 10:43:07 am
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Seems simple, if you're 70 years old you can ride a 1970's bike, 50 years old a 1950's bike etc etc.
So you end up matching 40 years olds on B33's against 70 year olds on YZ's etc.

This idea is so stupid it makes me shake my head, trying to understand why someone would think it's a good idea. I'm in my sixties so than confines me to bikes from the sixties, yet someone younger gets to ride "old clunkers from the fifties"? Give me a fu*#ing break. ::) With the pre 85 class restricted to 85 year old geriatrics we'd have a great platform for the future.
Dave, if you're going to make a post, please try to understand what you're talking about before you post it. Does somebody have an idea what Dave's on about? ::)

Even if it's the reverse where the older you are, the older your bike has to be is a restrictive sport killer. By telling us that we need to be an age that can relate to a particular class shuts the door for the classes long term survival. For our sport to survive in its entirity, we need to be attracting new recruits to the older classes as they seem to have successfully done in the USA and the UK. The guys who raced pre '75 are now nearly all in their late fifties through to early seventies so it's understandable that most of the racers from that era are past their race date. Racers from the pre 65 era are in their seventies and up with very few being able to ride at all. We need to attract younger racers to the older classes or it'll all fall in a giant shithole before long.
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: cheapracer on May 18, 2011, 11:10:41 am
stupid stuff guys,

people want to ride and race bikes of their era,

It's as smart as having 30 - 39 years olds who weren't even born for pre '75 if you want to start with semantics.
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: firko on May 18, 2011, 11:23:21 am
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It's as smart as having 30 - 39 years olds who weren't even born for pre '75 if you want to start with semantics
How do you envision the older classes remaining viable despite an aging racer demographic? If a 25 year old wants to race my Metisse, I'm more than enthusiastic to give him a go. Who knows, he might just like the experience and go and build or buy a pre 65 bike of his own.....as Mainline on this forum has done.
Our sport's not just an old boys social club.
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: EML on May 18, 2011, 11:23:50 am
I thought alot of Europe raced on the basis of rider/bike combined age set the scoring on a sliding scale.
That way old guys on old bikes had the best cahnce of a good score where-as the young guns on the late model bikes have to do really well to get points.
The sliding scale-would work very well at the Dirt track :D :D :D
 ( I've got to stop laughing at my own jokes)  
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: cheapracer on May 18, 2011, 11:29:37 am

It won't practically work as a National rule but it's an awesome thought for a separate class at least.

Well I reread my own post and what I wrote seems quite clear to me.
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: SAABCOMBI on May 18, 2011, 04:57:26 pm
Mark and all the other on this threat, I am not making a mountain out of a mole hill, l am only relaying what was said to me, also I am trying to understand the concept of it too, I am sorry for causing confusion.
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: supersenior 50 on May 18, 2011, 09:51:45 pm
Where does this stuff come from? I've raced overseas at eight different tracks in four different countries in recent years and have never seen such a daft idea. They generally have simmilar age events as we do. The exception was a big event at Linkoping Sweden where Pre75 & Twin-shock had similar age classes as us [I rode a 1983 CZ in "Over 60"],but the feature class was contesting the"Ove Lundell Trophy" fo 60+ riders on Pre65 machines.
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: mainline on May 18, 2011, 10:29:08 pm
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It's as smart as having 30 - 39 years olds who weren't even born for pre '75 if you want to start with semantics
How do you envision the older classes remaining viable despite an aging racer demographic? If a 25 year old wants to race my Metisse, I'm more than enthusiastic to give him a go. Who knows, he might just like the experience and go and build or buy a pre 65 bike of his own.....as Mainline on this forum has done.
Our sport's not just an old boys social club.

not quite yet Firko, still collecting parts and trying to figure out how to convince the other half I built a silver BSA thing out of spares left over from a Suzuki and a couple of Yamaha's ;D

Brad is way ahead of me in terms of looking further afield than his initial era of interest. He actually seems to be looking to get one of everything ;D
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: Davey Crocket on May 18, 2011, 10:41:01 pm
Dave lives in "Dave's World" Col....nobodies been there so nobody knows what actually goes on.
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: cheapracer on May 18, 2011, 10:51:09 pm
also I am trying to understand the concept of it too,

At QVMX early on we had 2 rather senior riders and we let them ride late bikes so they could be out there, the 'pre 75's were just too hard on their bodies.
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: TM BILL on May 19, 2011, 08:03:50 am

To quote the lovely Pauline..."Please explain..in plain English so even I can understand."

Seems simple, if you're 70 years old you can ride a 1970's bike, 50 years old a 1950's bike etc etc.

So you end up matching 40 years olds on B33's against 70 year olds on YZ's etc.

It won't practically work as a National rule but it's an awesome thought for a separate class at least.


This would have to be the 2nd dumbest idea ever posted on this forum  ::) ::) i can just see those in their 20s and 30s rushing to the national motorcycle museum to pick up their VMX ride  ::)
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: Marc.com on May 19, 2011, 11:35:50 am
This would have to be the 2nd dumbest idea ever posted on this forum  ::) ::) i can just see those in their 20s and 30s rushing to the national motorcycle museum to pick up their VMX ride  ::)

BTW Bill I agree but what was the first dumbest idea.

Anyway just what everyone needed another set of rules to fret over. Besides age shall not weary some of them, at the going down of the flag etc
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: TM BILL on May 19, 2011, 11:58:55 am
This would have to be the 2nd dumbest idea ever posted on this forum  ::) ::) i can just see those in their 20s and 30s rushing to the national motorcycle museum to pick up their VMX ride  ::)

BTW Bill I agree but what was the first dumbest idea.

Anyway just what everyone needed another set of rules to fret over. Besides age shall not weary some of them, at the going down of the flag etc

http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=18911.0
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: bazza on May 19, 2011, 03:00:08 pm
W.T.F.!!   ???
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: cheapracer on May 19, 2011, 07:08:09 pm

http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=18911.0

he he, I'm starting to like you TM Bill!  :D
Title: Re: the Split
Post by: DJVGXL on May 19, 2011, 08:25:24 pm
 I believe in Europe you ride your "era" For example, i was born in 1970, my "era" of riding was the 80,s. If you were born in 1955, your teenage "era" would be say 1965 to 1975!!! I,am forty, i don't even know if yamaha made a yz in 1940, and i bet there would not be many eighty year olds that could even start a YZ 490. ;D