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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: Mick D on April 04, 2011, 08:16:59 am
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One prime AU hits new record of US$1.0397, during the night.
(http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv132/mc125mick/57818071.gif?t=1301868942)
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Good for us Ebaying hobbyist but not good for Manufacturing Industry or exporters ::).
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AU $1 = US $1.0402
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but not good for or exporters ::).
Its the off shore owners that need a good slappin from our Government--rules need to change on Tax's...with 80 bill going out of our state in the North West and sweet stuff all staying here..then there is carbon tax,,sorry to sound depressing but the little fellow with small rug rats earning under 50G is hurting..the rich are getting richer. :(
OK,so who wants to import some SWM into Oz ;D
cheers A
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Yes I had to pay for some goods late last week with the dollar at 103 and the amount was 250 US, on the paypal notice is was 249.35 AUS dollars.
Hear where you are coming from Alison, we are also being hurt by the China (fabricated) steel imports. People are buy from China galvanised fabricated steel for less than what our costs are for the steel + galvanising ???
Will only get worst before better.
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…rules need to change on Tax's...with 80 bill going out of our state in the North West and sweet stuff all staying here..
I seem to remember that they tried to do just that, but a few Billionaires seemed a little bit upset so it got watered down.
…then there is carbon tax, sorry to sound depressing but the little fellow with small rug rats earning under 50G is hurting..the rich are getting richer.
Pretty hard to blame a tax that doesn't even exist yet.
And as for the little bloke on 50K with a few small rug rats - I can certainly sympathise with individuals but a low wage earner with family is always [and has always] done it harder than most. But all this talk about rampant cost increases is just a load of old cobblers.
The CPI hasn't fluctuated at all in the last few years - all this talk of electricity prices just gets people upset when there has obviously been a significant reduction in other costs to keep the CPI at the Reserves target rate. It's just canon fodder for the media and a good beatup.
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quote:The CPI hasn't fluctuated at all in the last few years - all this talk of electricity prices just gets people upset when there has obviously been a significant reduction in other costs to keep the CPI at the Reserves target rate. It's just canon fodder for the media and a good beatup.
No offence vmx42-this is depending of course if you are offering your opinion from a personal perspective or a work one..But I'd like to invite you to do a few shifts in the Heatlh industry in West Aust :) Have you a link to CPI .thanks in advance. 8)
cheers A
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HI Alision,
Don't worry I am not taking offence, it is only a discussion, nothing personal here at all. The CPI data you were asking about it available here: http://www.rateinflation.com/inflation-rate/australia-inflation-rate.php
As for the Health Industry in WA - no I don't have an opinion, but these kind of discussions assume that we are talking about 'average' situations. It isn't constructive to talk about specific, individual instances in general discussions, that type of discussion will never go anywhere but around in ever decreasing circles.
At every period of history there are industries or professions that are either in decline or ascendency due to changes in technology, demand or social pressures. In my working lifetime I have seen at least a dozen professions in my industry completely disappear. Is that fair? Well no. Is that reality, then unfortunately Yes. Can it be stopped, no I doubt it.
I am very aware that there is a significant section of the Australian community 'doing it tough' as our politicians call it [during an election cycle], but the assumption that they are doing it tougher than in other times during our history is just that - an assumption. How do we as a society deal with that? I am not really sure, but the people seem to believe that we are currently over taxed and the vitriol directed at a political party who even remotely dares to suggest that we [the Australian people] might have to pay extra to fix a problem is robust in the extreme.
It seems that political discussion in this country has taken a very Black and White turn where the discussion is dispensed with while the punters take opposite sides and hurl abuse at each other instead. With this kind of short sighted, narrow minded attitude we really will be in trouble. And I thought we were a mature democracy…
As for taking a few shifts in the WA Health Industry - I am not sure what you mean. Happy to compare working hours etc, but I don't know what that will achieve. As a salary earner I was never well paid, I had to start my own business to make any money.
So for the purpose of this discussion, I have tried to answer your questions so I would appreciate it if you respond to mine. Back to you…
Have a good one,
VMX42
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As for the Health Industry in WA - no I don't have an opinion, but these kind of discussions assume that we are talking about 'average' situations. It isn't constructive to talk about specific, individual instances in general discussions, that type of discussion will never go anywhere but around in ever decreasing circles.
Ahh true !! but on a forum specific and individual discussions can be deleted as quick as a flash. ;) ;D
I understnd were your coming from and its best left till your face to face or standing up in parliament.Here in our country town we have a very good and approachable relationship with our MLA and he works very hard to have a go for the next bloke..had the same down to earth MLA in the Goldfields,,somewhere it gets lost down the road,I suppose my grip is with those at the top misssing the whole picture for the little bloke.
seen at least a dozen professions in my industry completely disappear. yes and isnt that changing,its as fast as the new people coming into the country. ??
As for taking a few shifts in the WA Health Industry - I am not sure what you mean. Happy to compare working hours etc, but I don't know what that will achieve. As a salary earner I was never well paid, I had to start my own business to make any money. Not the hours so much as the rate of pay, 22 for Nurses and 17 for Carers,why wouldnt you head to mining while the aus $$ is bouncing along--some wages are just not right..more money in digging holes for minerals than older folks care.Ahh its the love though,thats why we stay ;D
Nothing really construtive there, but hey!! its a forum after all...oh well back to read the HL saga ;) :)
cheers A
Have just had a look the CPI site and had a laugh, that its linked to the Bureau of Stats which I know people dont answer the questions and census night right, :( ...but then you couldn't possibly expect to get all the people of Oz to be honest Johnny's. ;D
Interesting to note by 2021 20% of us are going to be 65 yeras and over.. :P
http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/[email protected]/Lookup/4102.0Main+Features10Mar+2011
and if you vmx42 move to Ireland and I to Japan(dont comment ;) ) we will live longer according to 2009 stats ;D
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Love the buying power it has over the USD exchange rate :)
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Yes I had to pay for some goods late last week with the dollar at 103 and the amount was 250 US, on the paypal notice is was 249.35 AUS dollars.
Hear where you are coming from Alison, we are also being hurt by the China (fabricated) steel imports. People are buy from China galvanised fabricated steel for less than what our costs are for the steel + galvanising ???
Will only get worst before better.
You'll be right Shano,that Chinese steel is rubbish.Stick with that good Onesteel Ausie made stuff and you will be fine.
I say enjoy the strong dollar while you can,my poor old Ebay account is loving it!
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You'll be right Shano,that Chinese steel is rubbish.Stick with that good Onesteel Ausie made stuff and you will be fine.
I say enjoy the strong dollar while you can,my poor old Ebay account is loving it!
That blue paint the chinese use on their steel.
Is it made out of horses hooves? :o
Cause it shore smells like it when you weld the stuff. :)
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One of the big problems I see with OZ v the 'rest of the world' in trade and other things is that OZ plays by the rules where others say they do and then cheat or in the case of USA the dont even play by the rules. [rural subsidies]
Take the Chinese currency, they have artificially kept there currency value down to a ludicrus level to boost there overseas export trade and to stop any imports. Meanwhile here is OZ trading on the world market with minimum protection, mostly none!
The high $OZ really is only that way because the $US has been based on bullshit for years and to me the fact that world trade is all in $US is nuts.
Lots of steel work manufactured in China for heavier engineering apparently turns up with major quality problems but buyers of this crap find out too late 'cause the local manufacturers who have been abandoned have gone belly up.
So buy up big of the bike bits and pieces while it lasts [only small potatoes in the scheme of things], but those clowns in suits who don't check the QA of imported steelwork are sending us down the gurglar.
cheers pancho.
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One of the big problems I see with OZ v the 'rest of the world' in trade and other things is that OZ plays by the rules where others say they do and then cheat or in the case of USA the dont even play by the rules. [rural subsidies]
Take the Chinese currency, they have artificially kept there currency value down to a ludicrus level to boost there overseas export trade and to stop any imports. Meanwhile here is OZ trading on the world market with minimum protection, mostly none!
The high $OZ really is only that way because the $US has been based on bullshit for years and to me the fact that world trade is all in $US is nuts.
Panch the Chinese currency is tagged to the US $ and so moves up and down with it .The Australian $ was also tagged to the US $ until 1983 when we floated our currency on the world market
( under the Hawke ,Keating gov ). Our $ is going up right now because almost everyone else is deliberately trying to devalue whilst we do nothing.
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Like I said, we're trading with a bunch of cheats. More proof that the Australian cringe is still with us, even though I believe we are starting to mature as a nation, plus partly with thanks to immigration our nation is learning to stop 'tugging the forlock' to our "superiors"
cheers
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I have seen millions of dollars worth of Chinese manufactured, pre-fab minesite accomodation brought into Western Australia and installed on a Chinese minesite and it doesn't even comply with some of our building code requirements. Someone is looking the other way methinks. Short term gain long term pain.
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I have seen millions of dollars worth of Chinese manufactured, pre-fab minesite accomodation brought into Western Australia and installed on a Chinese minesite and it doesn't even comply with some of our building code requirements. Someone is looking the other way methinks. Short term gain long term pain.
2007 story, blown around like paper cups ... :(
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/04/12/2870701.htm
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You'll be right Shano,that Chinese steel is rubbish.Stick with that good Onesteel Ausie made stuff and you will be fine.
I say enjoy the strong dollar while you can,my poor old Ebay account is loving it!
That blue paint the chinese use on their steel.
Is it made out of horses hooves? :o
Cause it shore smells like it when you weld the stuff. :)
Yeah mate,the Chinese product is dodgy in general,the Aussie Standards have been changed to call a lot of these imports out,but a lot of companies in Aus & NZ are turning a blind eye.
From my experience working there; China is an amazing place,and they are getting better at making stuff,but quality control is a big issue,along with a complete lack of care once the product is on the boat.
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2007 story, blown around like paper cups ... :(
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/04/12/2870701.htm
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No one has been seriously hurt or worse at this site yet. Only a couple of electrocutions. The Chinese culture of; for the sake of progress a certain amount of loss of life is acceptable has been brought to Australia. Not good.
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"The court was told FMG was four companies removed from the work camp and therefore cannot be held accountable. "
Defense in depth. ::)
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we are now buying a $1.10US. Far out, where will it end ::)
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we are now buying a $1.10US. Far out, where will it end ::)
With the Australian Manufacture in the toilet. And when it's gone and the dollar is .60-70c try to revive it ::).
In between times buy up big and enjoy. There nothing we can do about it one way or the other.
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As an Australian manufaturer myself, it makes sense to diversify when sourcing materials.
We carry large amounts of stock, so when the dollars high we tend to buy big overseas (China and the U.S), and whenever possible (when not at a massive financial disadvantage), buy locally,
There is an inhibiting culture in Australian business which supports out of date and drawn out supply chains, that thanks to technology are just unnecessary these days.
We had a major Australian manufacturer tell us a few years back that they'd only consider selling directly to us once were looking at about $600,000 a year worth of goods from them.
With the U.S companies ( who are incidentally bigger) willing to start trading relationships based on orders of a few thousand dollars, it doesn't give companies an incentive to buy locally.
Middlemen here tend to make crazy margins too, an example is that we've just saved $300,000 (75%!!) on packaging over the next few years by buying everything from China in one shebang.
It seems crazy to pay huge premiums on goods when they're made in China anyway, simply for convenience.
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mmmm a few of our Hong Kong uni students are feeling it also ...
quote: AUD$1 = HKD$8.5.....WTF
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Interesting to note by 2021 20% of us are going to be 65 yeras and over.. :P
And living in an increasingly alien society-down at the supermarket playing 'spot the Aussie'
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Interesting to note by 2021 20% of us are going to be 65 yeras and over.. :P
And living in an increasingly alien society-down at the supermarket playing 'spot the Aussie'
Just move to Tassie mate, cheap housing, awesome dirt bike riding and one of the very few places in Aus where we are lucky to avoid almost all racial problems. In fact, a little more multiculturalism wouldn't be bad here.
Just bring your wooly gloves, gets a bit cold in winter
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And only one mx outfit from what I remember. Shit- maybe I could win the Tassie title-I'm packing my bags.
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And living in an increasingly alien society.
They're not aliens they are Aussie or at least Aussie to be ;D.
Just got driven to Moorebank by a cab with an Aussie from Bangaldesh (10 years). Started quite but we had a good old chat. Ya should have seen him when I shook hands at the end ;D.
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[/quote]With the Australian Manufacture in the toilet. And when it's gone and the dollar is .60-70c try to revive it ::).
In between times buy up big and enjoy. There nothing we can do about it one way or the other.
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Thats the play.US is deliberately devaluing its currency and sending capital overseas to places like OZ , Brazil etc.Its manipulation and in the end countries like ours will suffer. In Brazil the Gov has taken counter measure ( which I dont fully understand) but so far our Gov has done zip.
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And living in an increasingly alien society.
They're not aliens they are Aussie or at least Aussie to be ;D.
Just got driven to Moorebank by a cab with an Aussie from Bangaldesh (10 years). Started quite but we had a good old chat. Ya should have seen him when I shook hands at the end ;D.
This one of the most condescending posts I have ever seen :(. Do you try to have a deep meaningful discussion and shake hands on parting with all your cab drivers or only the ones you recognise as a new Australian who you feel should be treated somehow differently to others?
This in itself is one of the worst forms of racism :-[
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And living in an increasingly alien society.
They're not aliens they are Aussie or at least Aussie to be ;D.
Just got driven to Moorebank by a cab with an Aussie from Bangaldesh (10 years). Started quite but we had a good old chat. Ya should have seen him when I shook hands at the end ;D.
This one of the most condescending posts I have ever seen :(. Do you try to have a deep meaningful discussion and shake hands on parting with all your cab drivers or only the ones you recognise as a new Australian who you feel should be treated somehow differently to others?
This in itself is one of the worst forms of racism :-[
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Brazil etc.Its manipulation and in the end countries like ours will suffer. In Brazil the Gov has taken counter measure ( which I dont fully understand) but so far our Gov has done zip.
While on the subject of Brazil..Coffee ;D has gone through the roof in price and the coffee shops are feeling the pinch,with staff also gone/going north for bigger $$ ,they have said in Perth this week 11 coffee shops have closed there doors..
Wine in the south here and SA is also falling.
White Paint for panel beaters has also a back log due to Qld floods etc.
So not too good in some sectors for the little fellow..but as VMX42 mentioned before it all comes and goes in waves ;D
cheers A
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And living in an increasingly alien society.
They're not aliens they are Aussie or at least Aussie to be ;D.
Just got driven to Moorebank by a cab with an Aussie from Bangaldesh (10 years). Started quite but we had a good old chat. Ya should have seen him when I shook hands at the end ;D.
This one of the most condescending posts I have ever seen :(. Do you try to have a deep meaningful discussion and shake hands on parting with all your cab drivers or only the ones you recognise as a new Australian who you feel should be treated somehow differently to others?
This in itself is one of the worst forms of racism :-[
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Your post is condescending to the gentleman of Bangladeshi origin not me or anyone on this forum. Surely you see that treating someone differently just because you recognise them as different is racism and/or discrimination ::). The same reason that handing money to Aboriginals does not fix the problem just reduces our guilt.
The reason this form of discrimination is probably worse than the ugly form of racism you obviously recognise is that it is a clear statement of feeling superior (you felt that speaking to this gentleman obviously made his day) and you get a warm glow on the inside. Just treat everyone equally with the same rights and status.
I am not entirely sure you will get it given your original post and your previous moral high ground posts. So lets leave it there.
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MX250 you have not done anything wrong by chatting to the cab driver and shaking his hand. Monty, did you read that correctly or am i missing something here. It would seem that someones being oversensetive and negative. I have made it my business to welcome the odd one out, It may be talking to some dude in a wheelchair ata nightclub or sitting at the same lunch table as the chinese guys at work is that also condesending.
As for the aboriginals - I really feel for thier situation, did anyone see how Mal Brough was trying to sort out that situation when he was minister for indigenous.... . I honestly would not know if Mal was Liberal or Labour, but i think his strategy may have worked in the right direction given more time.
Brett
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Well Brett it is if you then feel the need to spread the news of your good deed to the world. This indicates that you felt you did something exceptional or special for this person at some expense to yourself. This means that you recognise or feel the action was out of the ordinary or special and requires recognition.
Maybe I'm wrong but that is the way I would feel if someone went out of their way to talk to me in a similar situation only to then broadcast to others 'hey look what I did'. The fact the recipient of your perceived good deed does not know matters little.
I am sorry if that is not your view and it also does not mean I disagree with MX's endeavour to highlight someone else’s racist statement just the example or method used. As I said it seems to me to be as equally sad as the ugly form of racism he was trying to highlight.
Greg
Lets leave it at that as this is really highjacking this thread.
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Well Brett it is if you then feel the need to spread the news of your good deed to the world. This indicates that you felt you did something exceptional or special for this person at some expense to yourself. This means that you recognise or feel the action was out of the ordinary or special and requires recognition.
Maybe I'm wrong but that is the way I would feel if someone went out of their way to talk to me in a similar situation only to then broadcast to others 'hey look what I did'. The fact the recipient of your perceived good deed does not know matters little.
I am sorry if that is not your view and it also does not mean I disagree with MX's endeavour to highlight someone else’s racist statement just the example or method used. As I said it seems to me to be as equally sad as the ugly form of racism he was trying to highlight.
Greg
Lets leave it at that as this is really highjacking this thread.
So you have said your bit and expect others to swallow this crap you are spreading and not reply due to high jacking of a thread? I am sick to the back teeth about people like you pulling the racist card every time someone even looks like saying something that MIGHT offend. Next the colour black will be stricken from the English language just because someone might take offence to it. You either work for a current affairs program that throw this shit around to sensationalise and entertain the sheep for half an hour or you are just one of the sheep. Get away from the TV and go work on your bikes.FFS.
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Thats the play.US is deliberately devaluing its currency and sending capital overseas to places like OZ , Brazil etc.Its manipulation and in the end countries like ours will suffer. In Brazil the Gov has taken counter measure ( which I dont fully understand) but so far our Gov has done zip.
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Ah an intelligent comment, what happens in currency markets has nothing to do with being Aussie, whose driving your taxi etc.... it has a massive amount to do with the the US who is the worlds largest economy and the EU trying to absorb the effect of the sovereign debt that was issued during the stimulation of the economy. Not to mention with Aussie entering an inflationary cycle then they offer great interest rate yield.
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Your post is condescending to the gentleman of Bangladeshi origin not me or anyone on this forum. Surely you see that treating someone differently just because you recognise them as different is racism and/or discrimination ::). The same reason that handing money to Aboriginals does not fix the problem just reduces our guilt.
The reason this form of discrimination is probably worse than the ugly form of racism you obviously recognise is that it is a clear statement of feeling superior (you felt that speaking to this gentleman obviously made his day) and you get a warm glow on the inside. Just treat everyone equally with the same rights and status.
I am not entirely sure you will get it given your original post and your previous moral high ground posts. So lets leave it there.
How you read this into what I wrote I have no idea.
You couldn't be further from the truth or the intent if you tried.
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I don't believe that the US is deliberatly devaluing the dollar .What I do believe is that the US$ has been based on bullshit for years and the 'pidgeons have come home to roost'.
Maybe some might think this point of view is simplistic however in my lifetime I've seen face value observations turn out to be accurate more times than not.
Notice how the US$ goes up and down like a yo yo where as the OZ and Euro remain reasonably stable.
To me the erratic behaviour of the US$ only occurs because the world trades in US$, my feeling is that if world trade was still in gold bullion [not that I advocate that] the US$ would take a permanant dive.
As far as deliberately holding currency down, its obvious that China is doing just that and while countries continue to do that stuff and doing sneeky underhanded and undercover trade protectionism Australia will have difficulties with trade.
Unfortunately human nature and greed are closely linked. Who is immune from that? cheers pancho.
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I don't believe that the US is deliberatly devaluing the dollar .What I do believe is that the US$ has been based on bullshit for years and the 'pidgeons have come home to roost'.
I don't believe the US is deliberately devaluing, as 'stimulation' the US created a huge amount of debt in sovereign bonds and it has to recognize those in USD ..... so you have a potential disaster with large over supply of US based debt. Ultimately everyone is effected, the stability of the USD is essential to world trade/
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How do press the Reset button, Wasp? Only answer I can think of is war. A massive global depression would probably do the trick too.
Seeing as they're the two things that the global economy tries to avoid, the 'cure' would be the disease, surely?
Mal Brough's take on the NT intervention was one of the crappiest things that the Howard govt did. It was all about appealing to city voters. They did everything that the report told them not to.
This is not a bleeding heart comment - I totally agree that something had to be done, but there's a big gap between "fixing the problem" and "looking like we're getting serious". Brough went for the latter at the direct expense of the former, as the issues in Alice Springs demonstrate.
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Here you go buy some shares and bump us up that big wave a bit more ;D ;)
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Oh, and Brad... Greg's broad political views are further to the right than your own - he's no latte sipping hipster!
I think he's read too much into MX's comments, but his basic point is valid - if you treat someone differently simply because of their skin colour, then you are being racist. Even if you're being nice to them.
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How do press the Reset button,
Fight Club
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Then maybe the time is now right to press the global "Reset" button and upload a new and fairer "program ". ;)
When things like money , religion and resources will reappear in a different light , things in this world may turn for the better . ::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBuiX-UAD3E
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A thoughtful observation Pancho but I'm not certain exactly how correct you are (but probably at least 80% right ;)).
The scary thing to me is that is that I think that what should be economic decisions are too strongly influenced by the politics. What should be fundamental, strategic, infrastructure and 20 year long term decisions are perverted by the 4 year re-election cycle. In other words America, and Europe, have some deep seated fundamental institutional problems and issues that are not being addressed.
Freddy Mac and Fanny Mae, the main players and culprits of the GFC, are still there and doing business in the same economically unsound way - guaranteeing banks against bad business choices and practices, and encouraging risk (without consequences and unfounded fat profits and bonuses in between ::)). And that is not to talk of America's massive corporate welfare, it's military spending or accumulated National Debt.
Greece is still a basket case that needs to learn to 'live within it's means'. But the Greeks seem to think that they have a God given right to retire on a govt pension at age 57 and enjoy life and the Mediterranean sun. There is speculation that Greece will soon have to 'restructure' it loan again. There is also speculation that such a 'restructure' may not be possible and may also bring down European, especially German, banks.
Ireland, Portugal and Spain are still teetering.
I not sure of the short or long term solution; personal, national or international. But I believe the fundamentals are not being addressed and are unlikely to be addressed until the situation is undeniable (another GFC or worst).
I think I'll join Walter and get a few Gold Sovereigns to put under the floor boards ;) :). Meanwhile, back to washing the dog and sanding my plastics ;D.
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Here you go buy some shares and bump us up that big wave a bit more ;D ;)
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Are you moonlighting as a broker Allison ;D.
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Are you moonlighting as a broker Allison ;D.
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Nah,I will alway support those who like to move a bit of dirt ;) ;D ;D
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Mal Brough's take on the NT intervention was one of the crappiest things that the Howard govt did. It was all about appealing to city voters. They did everything that the report told them not to.
This is not a bleeding heart comment - I totally agree that something had to be done, but there's a big gap between "fixing the problem" and "looking like we're getting serious". Brough went for the latter at the direct expense of the former, as the issues in Alice Springs demonstrate.
That's the problem in a nutshell Nathan. You'll find Aboriginals strongly opposed to the intervention, and you'll find Aboriginals strongly in flavour of the intervention. You'll find non-Aboriginals strongly opposed to the intervention, and you'll find non-Aboriginals strongly in flavour of the intervention.
But this is a human problem (as opposed to an economic problem). Humans are blessed/cursed with a rational brain and an emotional brain; a built in contradiction. Individually and collectively we reflect this built in contradiction, which is highlighted in the above.
How do we get around the contradiction? Tolerance and patience for the emotional arguments. Time and problem solving for the rational response. In other words a compromise. It won't satisfy everyone but it will satisfy most people. And there will always be those who will indulge their emotional side and 'hold the faith' and 'maintain the anger' through think and thin. e.g. Greenies and Zealots of all persuasions.
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- if you treat someone differently simply because of their skin colour, then you are being racist. Even if you're being nice to them.
Yes to a point, but it's not racism that's the driving cause. It's human nature. It's more a case of being 'unsure of how to act in the situation' type of thing. People will tend to overcompensate the fact that they don't have a problem with the persons ethnicity. Which is often caused by the lack of interaction with people of whatever ethnic background they may encounter.
It's the 'Your totally different to me, I come in peace' sort of thing.
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Yes to a point, but it's not racism that's the driving cause. It's human nature. It's more a case of being 'unsure of how to act in the situation' type of thing. People will tend to overcompensate the fact that they don't have a problem with the persons ethnicity. Which is often caused by the lack of interaction with people of whatever ethnic background they may encounter.
It's the 'Your totally different to me, I come in peace' sort of thing.
I couldn't have put it better. As we eventually become accustomed to people from different ethnic backgrounds to us the more 'normal' the relationships become. I can remember when ordering curried prawns and rice from the waiter in the local Chinese restaurant was about the most interaction we'd have with a 'foreigner'.
The times, they are 'a changin'.
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camnt copmplain at Fletcher building shares in Unzud $5.50 to $9.25 in 2 years
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Well Brett it is if you then feel the need to spread the news of your good deed to the world. This indicates that you felt you did something exceptional or special for this person at some expense to yourself. This means that you recognise or feel the action was out of the ordinary or special and requires recognition.
Maybe I'm wrong but that is the way I would feel if someone went out of their way to talk to me in a similar situation only to then broadcast to others 'hey look what I did'. The fact the recipient of your perceived good deed does not know matters little.
I am sorry if that is not your view and it also does not mean I disagree with MX's endeavour to highlight someone else’s racist statement just the example or method used. As I said it seems to me to be as equally sad as the ugly form of racism he was trying to highlight.
Greg
Lets leave it at that as this is really highjacking this thread.
So you have said your bit and expect others to swallow this crap you are spreading and not reply due to high jacking of a thread? I am sick to the back teeth about people like you pulling the racist card every time someone even looks like saying something that MIGHT offend. Next the colour black will be stricken from the English language just because someone might take offence to it. You either work for a current affairs program that throw this shit around to sensationalise and entertain the sheep for half an hour or you are just one of the sheep. Get away from the TV and go work on your bikes.FFS.
I have no control to stop others from voicing their opinion on anything and have not suggested that.
It is pretty obvious that your view and mine are much more similar than you might think but it is pretty obvious I have not explained my position well. As you asked so eloquently and politely I will FFS stick to working on my bikes. I will however continue to watch the 30mins of pay TV news that I watch each day if that makes me a sheep then Baaaaaaaaaa.
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Bit confused guys.
Osama get,s knocked and OUR dollar goes DOWN?
How does that work? ??? ???
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Bit confused guys.
Osama get,s knocked and OUR dollar goes DOWN?
How does that work? ??? ???
Its not so much that our $ went down but that the US$ gained/recouped some ground. The Osama news is viewed as a positive for the US and Obama - even though he's been dead for a while .
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The Osama news is viewed as a positive for the US and Obama - even though he's been dead for a while .
I was told that by a friend today. He said he,s been in a freezer and they,ve pulled him out for the elections.
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I was told that by a friend today. He said he,s been in a freezer and they,ve pulled him out for the elections.
Surely they were talking about Donald Trump?
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The Osama news is viewed as a positive for the US and Obama - even though he's been dead for a while .
I was told that by a friend today. He said he,s been in a freezer and they,ve pulled him out for the elections.
Thats sounds about right. ;)
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if you treat someone differently simply because of their skin colour, then you are being racist. Even if you're being nice to them.
Very true, which unfortunately means the Government is being racist with it's preferential treatment in terms of services and payments to Aboriginal Australians.
I think as long as this exists (even if the purpose is an attempt to undo a lot of bad treatment) there will always be some form of resentment in the community from people who consider they are equally hard done by, at least financially, yet receive less benefits.
I don't know the in's and out's of the intervention with Aboriginal Australians but I can tell a few interesting stories about Child Protection.
Having worked with children and families who the government consider the "bottom of the barrel" for 5 years I thought the Government was quite lenient in many cases when they would intervene with families, finally resorting to removing children in what was considere dworst case scenarios.
I've seen examples of women giving birth to 5 children in a row who were all seriously disabled due to massive alcohol abuse, children abused both physically and sexually, seriously neglected and later dieing as the government came in to the scene too late.
Sadly, my sister who worked with me in this area for many years in Tasmania (generally with anglo families) is now working in law in Mt Isa and the Gulf Area where she deals with Aboriginal communities.
She often talks about how far the goals posts have been moved up there as the situation is so much worse.
Perhaps it's a move by the governments there to intervene later due to the issues of past intervention, but the real stories I am hearing weekly would shock everyone here.
I think the sooner we treated everyone as equal Australians the less issues we would have.
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I think I agree with you.
I have a real sense of unease that governments don't seriously deal with those sorts of problems, while feeling the need to restrict the majority of the population in other ways that acheive no real benefit for anyone.
What makes it worse, is that we do the "frog in the saucepan" trick, and meekly accept it.
I suppose that any attempt to control people's sexual/reproductive behaviour is fraught with the risk of major human rights infringements and that's a big part of why nobody wants to take it on. And, possibly, why Howard and Co went down the popularist route for the NT Intervention - they might have been f#$king it up, but they were f$%king it up with the support of the voters and they could say they were doing something, which is what really matters to a politician...
More generally, I think that modern democracy has created a dysfunctional situation where there is no true libertarian option - both the left and the right have areas where they restrict people's activity for purely political benefit and often against the country's interests (think gay marriage, forest useage etc).
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I still think a baby bonus in reverse would have worked.
A cash incentive to encourage people to reproduce was never going to end well, doing the opposite and encouraging people who are seriously desperate to not have kids (although you'd be crucified by so called liberationists) may well have worked much better.
This Liberal Government strategy which was a blatant attempt at buying votes backfired on them badly IMO, the very people they see as a burden they were encouraging to reproduce.
I am talking about this is general terms, not aimed at any particular race.
The point about the extreme left and right is spot on too, both extremes are as one eyed as each other. Although I identify more to the left, I can't for the life of me accept some of the ridiculous policies they have around protecting forests to such a degree which deems no usage for recreation.
Being a dirt bike rider who has a care for the environment is seen as an impossible juxtapose to many.
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I agree on all points - although both our major parties are quite central and both still feel obliged to create restrictive legislation rather than deal with the issues intelligently.
My confidence in the idea has been shaken after interacting with some real nutters in the last week or so, but I believe that if either of the major parties stood back and said "You know what? We've been doing at it all wrong, and we keep making stupid, knee-jerk legislation and its helping nobody. Instead, we're going to only bother with the stuff that really matters - health care, education and the economy - and we'll get it right", then they'd be swept to power almost regardless of their political persuasion.
I guess Ruddy promised this (and was swept to power), but then failed to live up to the promise in the short term, and was undermined by the effect of his own personality within his party and his inability to deal with Abbott's incessant fear-mongering, before he had the opportunity on the longer term stuff.
Are we off topic enough yet?
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This Liberal Government strategy which was a blatant attempt at buying votes backfired on them badly IMO, the very people they see as a burden they were encouraging to reproduce.
Gerry Harvey loved it he never sold so many plasma's and playstations.
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Not at all ;D 1.0971 right now
Yep, back on topic.
I'm pumped, have some very big transfers to do in U.S $ next week and was banking on getting even money a month or so back.
$1.10 is crazy, banks never give you that though, always lose a few cents and then the mongrels keep your money in limbo land for a few days (read short term money markets) to make themselves even more money.
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Nathan, I think we'd all hope that a party with some decent far ranging policies and less BS would win voters, but in this day an age, reverting back to that, and actually admitting they'd made a mistake or two (and dumping a lot of the current crap) would see them publicly crucified.
It's ironic that everyone sits back and screams that they'd love an honest politician, yet if someone admits they are wrong or changes their mind (heaven forbid) in parliament, the media starts a massive beat up.
The day that people start to respect honesty in politics will be a good one. Though I was never a huge Rudd fan (saw him as very contrived, a control freak and an all round chameleon) one of his better qualities was admitting he got it wrong a few times, which IMO showed a lot of back bone.
Longer terms would probably benefit the country though, the current system means that by the time a party is in, they have little time to kick goals before campaigning about what they have done in need to get re elected.
In many ways it is a real pity Labour got rid of Rudd. He may well have scraped in even after the mining tax punt, and into a proper second term would have seen him get a bit done.
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Yep, back on topic.
the mongrels keep your money in limbo land for a few days (read short term money markets) to make themselves even more money.
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with any number of twists in between, your exchange premium is probably propping up someones credit card debt in Kansas even as we speak and has had 50 stops in between. I think Wasp mentioned something about a "Global reset button" .... when you create wealth without increasing production it is called inflation, but then again this whole economic situation is going where nobody has ever gone before and not following the rules goddammit.
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what ever is happening its great for u.s.a shopping ...just scored myself a n.o.s vb250 expansion chamber for $196.60 aus landed or $210 u.s and theres still plenty more shopping to do
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whoohoo indeed ;D,"buy now" phantom frame landed here $250ish, 8),waiting for it to hit $1.20 for 2 conrod kits from ossaworld ;D, :P
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Hey, good on ya Mick. Keeping the dream alive hey? One of the best looking Ossa's ever made.
Hows the leg healing?
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what ever is happening its great for u.s.a shopping ...just scored myself a n.o.s vb250 expansion chamber for $196.60 aus landed or $210 u.s and theres still plenty more shopping to do
whoohoo indeed ;D,"buy now" phantom frame landed here $250ish, 8),waiting for it to hit $1.20 for 2 conrod kits from ossaworld ;D, :P
yer yer ok...so spend away ;D I'm saving mine for the fuel bill to the Classic Nats in South Aust come september :( which at the moment is $1.58 for diesel... though I did allow for some zookie bearings this morning on evilbay ;D
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yer yer ok...so spend away ;D I'm saving mine for the fuel bill to the Classic Nats in South Aust come september :( which at the moment is $1.58 for diesel.
Might be time to move that Bio-Diesel "still" up on the list ;D
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Hows the leg healing?
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legs coming good Mick,i've binned the "moonboot"/crutches,(doctors will be impressed ::)),trail of dead skin everywhere ;) :P
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owwh beautiful, beautiful mate.
At least we will be able to find you if you go MIA at CRC, we just follow the trail Hey ::)
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;D ;D
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They are saying its going to peek to 1.14 come September..well you think they could of waited till after the Crystal Brook Classic Nats ;D
cheers A
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The Chinese culture of; for the sake of progress a certain amount of loss of life is acceptable has been brought to Australia. Not good.
Utter bullshit.
Do you know for example if a Chinese worker dies the Boss is at risk of being executed if he is found to have been negligent? Are you aware of the rather large size of a lawsuit payout against a company for death or injury?
I don't know who spins all this bullshit I see daily but it certainly doesn't come from people who live here.
Most companies here do what they can to make safe work practices and it's the worker who declines to use the safety gear and safe work practices. I can not for the life of me get some of the workers around me to continuously wear ear plugs and glasses when they are grinding. The problem lies in education and lack of middle management structure and nothing to do with this Urban Myth of "human sacrifice".
I can't even get them to wear seatbelts in my car, I stop and say we ain't moving until you put it on - apparently you're not a Man if you wear one and you're not a Man if you stop at red lights, I'll leave it up to you to imagine the outcome of those 2 combined.
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You'll be right Shano,that Chinese steel is rubbish.
Urban Myth, you get what you pay for - we use tube for our 100,000 psi machines thats equal to anything in the world and then you can buy recycled tube for next to nothing in side streets. How many engine parts such as cranks, rods, gearboxes etc are now made in China for the big ones such as VW, GM, FORD etc ...
,along with a complete lack of care once the product is on the boat.
Ahh total correct but thats your fault - It's an Eastern culture that Westerners don't understand, there is no comeback - payment to a Chinaman is a culture based agreement that you have accepted and are happy with what you have received - The deal is finished. If you are buying big from China and you don't check the product before you pay for it then tuff shit, your fault for trading/trusting as a Westener in an Eastern country. And further, the next lot you buy will be more expensive because "the deal went so easy the last time they will probably accept an increase without complaint this time".
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It's an Eastern culture that Westerners don't understand, there is no comeback - payment to a Chinaman is a culture based agreement that you have accepted and are happy with what you have received - The deal is finished.
I think you need to exclude the Japanese from this particular statement, they operate at a far higher level moral behaviour and of consumer responsibility.
Basically Chinese companies will do anything to make a buck.... in my experience it is not culturally based but rather everything is a zero sum game to the Chinese, for me to win you have to lose.
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Hey Cheapracer,I respect your opinion mate.
But I suppose I dont know much about China,after all its not like I worked for a Aussie multinational that manufactured a steel based product out of its Gaungzhou plant for four years,that I used to sell,along with visiting it last year ::).
In all seriousness, I bet you enjoy the odd KTV session up there.I really enjoyed China and its people,but as you said,you get what you pay for,and there is a complete lack of care once the product is on the boat sailing to our fair shores-this I know from experience,not urban myth or hearsay.
Good luck with your Metisse frame manufacturing project.
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.... Gaungzhou plant for four years,
Bloody Guangzhou cat eating bastards .....
So you were here for 4 years and still got rolled over - I'm sure they welcome you back ;D - seriously though, I know people who have been here for more than 10 - 15 years and they still can't work it all out.
I don't work for an Oz company here, I am quite involved with and am a part of Chinese companies daily and I am married to Sichuan Province's number 2 'Famous' Lawyer so not only do I know and see what goes on from the Chinese side I have happily helped a number of Foreigners out of the shit that they continue to trustingly blunder into here.
If you need a steel product give me a yell if you can't find satisfaction elsewhere, I live and work in China's number 1 GDP industrial city and steel products are the main here.
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Thanks Cheapracer,but I sell quality Aussie steel now mate (sounds like an oxymoron I know).
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Good for us Ebaying hobbyist but not good for Manufacturing Industry or exporters ::).
There onto us... :o ;) LOOK OUT !!
Just tried to order USA graphics for the KX450 and it keeps reverting to Australian supplier & $.
Makes you think twice now about spending $$'s
cheers A
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Yep, the dollar's on the way down Ali but if I can't get what I want here, I'll still shop in the USA.
Whatever happened to Cheapracer? Here one minute, gone the next. Maybe he's busy pumping out those Metisse replicas. I'm going to China in a few months time so maybe I can check on the progress for any of you who've put your name down for one ;D.
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Good for us Ebaying hobbyist but not good for Manufacturing Industry or exporters ::).
There onto us... :o ;) LOOK OUT !!
Just tried to order USA graphics for the KX450 and it keeps reverting to Australian supplier & $.
Makes you think twice now about spending $$'s
cheers A
Alison,
I don't think it has anything to do with the relative strength of the AUS $. It probably has more to do with the arrangements between US suppliers and their Aussie agents.
You can't sign a distribution agreement with another company [in another country] and then actively go behind their back and sell into their territory. Sure some dodgy companies will do it, but I reckon that it says a lot of good things about those that actually honour their agreements.
It is slightly ironic that a US company has more loyalty to its Aussie distributor than we do. And no it doesn't make me think twice about spending $$'s
VMX42
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Yep, the dollar's on the way down Ali but if I can't get what I want here, I'll still shop in the USA.
Whatever happened to Cheapracer? Here one minute, gone the next. Maybe he's busy pumping out those Metisse replicas. I'm going to China in a few months time so maybe I can check on the progress for any of you who've put your name down for one ;D.
Any news on the whereabouts and welfare of the would be apprentice/general dogs-body? Too late to sign up for a frame? ???
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He's appearing on car forums and Nostalgia sites...
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He's appearing on car forums and Nostalgia sites...
Fielding interest on T model replica chassis' maybe?
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All the orders for chineese Rickmans has the economy in a spin