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Title: New Vin Plate
Post by: Stankflapper on March 21, 2011, 08:26:05 pm
Well I am new here and would greatly appreciate some wise advise from people who know. I am about to embark on a 1983 RM500 resto and before I start I have noticed that this model have a self adhesive alfoil style VIN Plate. Now the questions are. Do I just blast it off when I have it sand blasted and replace it with a engraved vin plate, or does anyone know who can make an exact replica of this item for me to re affix after the frame has been correctly painted? Cheers.
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i168/bigmacca99/CIMG1241.jpg)
Title: Re: New Vin Plate
Post by: frostype400 on March 21, 2011, 09:32:06 pm
Very cool the rm500's I think you would be best to peal that off and see if you can clean it up and get it reprinted the frame number would still be stamped on the frame neck. ;)
Title: Re: New Vin Plate
Post by: lukeb1961 on March 22, 2011, 08:17:36 am
my thoughts would be to fake it.
hmm.. plenty of people could do it as a decal.
then take a piece of alfoil and place onto front, tap embedded bits with number stamps, clear sticky over that and then lovely sticky stuff onto back and thence onto frame? (whew!)
Title: Re: New Vin Plate
Post by: DR on March 22, 2011, 09:14:22 am
have a looky on ebay. There was a guy reproducing the GT/GS and other old Suzuki roadie vin decals of a foil type. I peeled of my RM80B item which is all but the same thing in the hope of getting it reproduced but I haven't got around to asking the questions yet ;)
Title: Re: New Vin Plate
Post by: Stankflapper on March 22, 2011, 09:15:48 am
Yeh Thanks Luke, I think I will take that advice as all the Google searching I have done only turns up a alloy vin plate which is not the self adhesive alfoil style.
Title: Re: New Vin Plate
Post by: Stankflapper on March 22, 2011, 09:19:04 am
have a looky on ebay. There was a guy reproducing the GT/GS and other old Suzuki roadie vin decals of a foil type. I peeled of my RM80B item which is all but the same thing in the hope of getting it reproduced but I haven't got around to asking the questions yet ;)
Doc , I found that guy who produces those GT/GS and wrote to him but his reply was that he only does the alloy rivit style now as he was having problems with the self adhesive style. I travel to asia eash year and may take it with me as I know they can copy anything over there. ;)
Title: Re: New Vin Plate
Post by: DR on March 22, 2011, 09:55:35 am
Macca, if you do the overseas thing and could have extra's made I'd buy a couple from you no question. I reckon there maybe a little niche market for the people wishing a full on resto ;)
Title: Re: New Vin Plate
Post by: vmxrider on March 22, 2011, 12:17:59 pm
Google "Motographix" at Lidcombe in Sydney, might be able to help.   
Title: Re: New Vin Plate
Post by: LWC82PE on March 22, 2011, 12:59:38 pm
http://www.reproductiondecals.com this place makes all those sort of warning lables etc. They might not have a vin plate but if you can take a photo of it or mail in a sample they could make them.

Also try a vintage suzuki restoration specialist such as Don at Y and S racing and Tony at Vintage Suzuki. Im sure they have thought of a soloution before.

I have had a local sign writer do vin lables before too.
Title: Re: New Vin Plate
Post by: Stankflapper on March 22, 2011, 01:28:27 pm
Thanks for the replies fellas, I will start walking down  a few of those avenues and see how I go, and let you know.
Title: Re: New Vin Plate
Post by: DR on March 22, 2011, 01:32:31 pm
Reproduction decals don't do the vin labels..I already asked ;)

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Hi Chris:
Unfortunately we do not produce VIN decals.  Sorry I couldn't help.

Ellen

Reproduction Decals
www.reproductiondecals.com
Title: Re: New Vin Plate
Post by: paul on March 22, 2011, 01:53:34 pm
i would off thought it would be highly illegal to produce vin plates
Title: Re: New Vin Plate
Post by: Tim754 on March 22, 2011, 01:55:45 pm
IT is............................... >:(
Title: Re: New Vin Plate
Post by: VMX247 on March 22, 2011, 02:10:20 pm
This site has loads of info..though it seems on other sites, that we have diffirent laws for bikes than any other country.ie Lazy laws.
Always handy for your insurance company to have that VIN #

http://www.vehicleidentificationnumber.com/vehicle_identification_numbers_vin_overview.html
or
http://www.revs.nsw.gov.au/about/faq.htm
Can REVS do a check on a motorbike?
Yes, a REVS check can be done on a motorbike by providing the VIN/chassis number, engine number and registration number (if registered).

Title: Re: New Vin Plate
Post by: Davey Crocket on March 22, 2011, 02:10:56 pm
I thought you would be offering them Paul. ;D
Title: Re: New Vin Plate
Post by: Stankflapper on March 22, 2011, 03:47:41 pm
i would off thought it would be highly illegal to produce vin plates

Its only a VIN plate, Not a compliance plate. ;)
Title: Re: New Vin Plate
Post by: DR on March 23, 2011, 03:16:16 am
It's only has the bike model designation and frame number. A warning sticker that the bikes is not to be ridden on streets as it DOES NOT comply to federal vehicle safety standards for street use. It is a far cry from a compliance plate or normal motor vehicle vin 'plate'  ;)
Title: Re: New Vin Plate
Post by: BETRIC on March 23, 2011, 07:04:08 am
Dan at Motographix would not touch it, I just had some (Yamaha offroad use only) decals made, they have the MFD date printed on them as standard but Dan would not print the date as he reckons it is illegal to reproduce decals with dates or vin numbers on them in NSW on advice from the Police ???
Title: Re: New Vin Plate
Post by: Freakshow on March 23, 2011, 03:49:29 pm
why cant you take th eold one off and then glue it back on after woods ?  dont look that bad to me, at worst a bit of black paint wiped over it would tidy it up no end.
Title: Re: New Vin Plate
Post by: Stankflapper on March 23, 2011, 05:07:45 pm
It is starting to peel and delaminate where the frame number is stamped.
Title: Re: New Vin Plate
Post by: Tim754 on March 23, 2011, 10:24:56 pm
"it is illegal to reproduce decals with dates or vin numbers on them in NSW on advice from the Police" My advice from a very reliable federal source is this  to applies to all States and Territories.
Contact your state  vehicle registration authority ,...hang on the phone for two days... and if they do lovingly answer ,ask the non English speaking call centre voice for some guidance.
Title: Re: New Vin Plate
Post by: DR on March 23, 2011, 10:37:43 pm
Tim, if the engine number and date is simply left blank is it then still illegal? This is the way the guy sells the GT items on ebay. Just blank plates and you stamp the numbers if you wish ;) speeding is illegal too but I don't know of anyone who's never done it :) I've sent these questions to the powers that be and be awaiting their official reply.

http://shop.ebay.com.au/double55/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562 (http://shop.ebay.com.au/double55/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562)
Title: Re: New Vin Plate
Post by: LWC82PE on March 23, 2011, 10:43:34 pm
I would not worry about it. Your not going to be riding a RM on the street and for someone to be wanting to be going to all this trouble i would say its going to be a lounge room concourse job anyway, otherwise there is not really any point to have this decal on a bike thats tearing around a MX track with it hidden behind a number plate. Like frosty said, the frame will still have a frame number stamped. I really would not stress over it. The cops are not going to rock up at classic dirt or a vintage mx meet and book your for a non original sticker, come on. Those illegalities referred to are targeting unauthorised/homemade compliance plates thats all. You just need to read between the lines. I have regoed many bikes, and complianced a few and had police inspections done etc and all the cops are really concerned with is the frame number stamped on the frame and maybe the engine number just to see its not stollen. I have also made actual 'compliance plates' as per trasport sa's requirements for an imported vehicle and theres not really much specifics to it at all. The numbers stamped on a piece of aluminium is fine by them.

But i do understand things in the Police state may be a bit different, but for an RM, i still would not worry about it ;)
Title: Re: New Vin Plate
Post by: Stankflapper on March 24, 2011, 04:22:35 am
I have found a extremely helpful guy in Brisbane that can reproduce if anyone is interested. I will post up a pic of the results.

Rod at: http://www.cutgrafix.com/


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The cops are not going to rock up at classic dirt or a vintage mx meet and book your for a non original sticker

Now that gave me a chuckle! ;D ;)
Title: Re: New Vin Plate
Post by: DR on March 24, 2011, 07:52:26 am
The reason I want the sticker Leith, I do plan 2 nice resto's. The frames still had most of the stickers and I distinctly remember the stickers on my RM's when new ;) yes it is anal but no-more anal than wanting phillips head screws with the dots or hex bolts with the S on them ;)
Title: Re: New Vin Plate
Post by: Stankflapper on April 04, 2011, 02:39:11 pm
I have received the new decal VIN plate in the mail from Rod and I am Very pleased with the results. Check out Rod site if you guys need any decals , a big thumbs up for me. ;D
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i168/bigmacca99/CIMG1331.jpg)
Title: Re: New Vin Plate
Post by: DR on April 06, 2011, 11:02:07 pm
I asked the local cops about these stickers and they did not give me a totally difinative answer but they also said "personally we can't see any real problems when the bike is deemed for off road use only" ;) nice sticker by the way Stankflapper, may I ask an approximate cost?
Title: Re: New Vin Plate
Post by: Stankflapper on April 09, 2011, 03:11:07 pm
Yeh Doc the job is extremely professional and it cost $30 as I had to pay set up costs. Any more ordered would only be $15. I think you are on the money with your answer as this is not really a question for the police, it would be more a Transport dept related issue, and as this bike does not get registered it would be of no interest to those guys either,, I would assume.
Title: Re: New Vin Plate
Post by: DR on April 09, 2011, 10:43:12 pm
Pretty reasonable price. Many thanks for the heads up. I never got a response from the DoT hence why I asked at the local  Police station ;)