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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: firko on March 04, 2011, 05:02:46 pm
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Replica of what ???? The owners been flogging this bike around various forums and sites for a couple of years. He recently had it up for sale for around 7k from memory but now it seems he only wants to swap it for a post vintage Maico or Husky. Whatever the deal, I reckon he's a bit delusional as to what it actually is. What it isn't is a Works Replica anything. What it is is a nicely prepped TM250. There's nothing especially trick or 'works' about it. My own TM400 would run rings around it for trick.
I also have serious doubts to his claim of the bike coming "a hair over 190lbs''. My much tricker, custom Chro-Mo framed TM400 comes in at around 190lbs so I'd love to know how he did it with a stock frame?
This type of oversell annoys me no end. It harks back to Maico Moe's "Wheelsmith Works Maicos" of two or three years ago. The bike is a tastfully well built TM250 that's worth 3k tops. There's no unobtainium, RH parts or anything remotely trick in the bike. It's just a nice TM250 and nothing more.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/Suzuki%20TM%20trick.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/suzuki%20tm%20trick%204.jpg)
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1974 Suzuki TM250 Works Replica, This bike started out as a just for fun project that got crazy. I stripped the bike down to the frame and sent it and the swing arm out to the powder coat shop. Then had a friend and many, many year Suzuki Tech go through the motor. He removed the oil injection system and drilled the proper weep hole in the case to lubricate the left main bearing. All seals and bearings were changed for new. The cylinder was then bored to 1st over and a new Wiseco piston and rings were installed. The cylinder was mildly ported as well. I custom built a plastic seat pan and we used a 1977 RM125 new seat foam and cover on it. New great looking plastic ( injected molded ) were installed and look great. New chain and sprockets as well as a new 34mm carb were added as well. I didn’t care for the stock and heavy steel tank and started searching for something that would save weight and look incredible.. I found a like new 1976 Yamaha YZ125 tank on eBay and of course paid all the $$ for it. I sent the tank to Brian @ MX Restorations in New York and he worked his magic on the aluminum tank. Steering head bearings were replaced with All Balls Tapered and sealed bearings as well as new All Balls Wheel bearings. I laced up a new set of NOS Vintage Gold Excel Rims and new spokes also. New tires are front and rear. Renthal Vintage Bend Handlebars with a new Whirlpool Throttle as well as lever assemblies and a modern kill button finished off the controls. We looked at different pipes for the bike and decided on Jemco out of Houston as they build a great lightweight replacement that helps open the old girl up. The forks are rebuilt with new springs and the shocks are new Progressives. I also hand polished the fork lowers and the triple clamps. All cables are new and I also replaced most steel parts with aluminum RM’s from later bikes. Also new brake shoes are front and rear. I have broken her in and rode it around my subdivision. Starts easy and runs great.. She tops the scales at only a hair over 190lbs. This bike is ready to race or show. I have tons of time and lots of money invested and it was worth every cent.
Rusty Stern
Tampa, FL
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Registered Since 2/7/2009 | 47 Posts
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He put a YZ C tank on a TM?
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Needs to hook up with these fellows and he may find what he's looking for :)
http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=6730.75
Open your cheque book and say aaaaaaarrrrrhhhhhgggggggg
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Service-Honda-CR-500-CR500-CR500AF-CRF-450-CRF450-250-/130490360296?pt=AU_Motorcycles&hash=item1e61d4e1e8
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It looks like my old TM 250 that l got off Ray Sullivan in QLD, l sold it to a fellow in Tasmania a couple of yours ago. It is a 75 model TM with a RH airbox, and that was replicated Its got the same pipe on it when l had it. it may be the same bike (not sure.)
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I think it is fantastic and easily worth $7000 USD. ;) More power to him I reckon it is cheap at twice the price.
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So what are you saying Firko :D dont hold back , tell us how you feel ;D
C'mon Marc lets have pic of yours ;D i personally dont like gold rims on pre 75 bikes
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Needs to hook up with these fellows and he may find what he's looking for ;)
http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=6730.75
Open your cheque book and say aaaaaaarrrrrhhhhhgggggggg
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Service-Honda-CR-500-CR500-CR500AF-CRF-450-CRF450-250-/130490360296?pt=AU_Motorcycles&hash=item1e61d4e1e8
500cc "Service' Honda WTF that ??? I notice the same whatevers are selling spaghetti trees too.................................. ;)
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std forks, cheap aircraft mikuni not magnesium. Tidy bike,probably is one of Daves keepers
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I think it is fantastic and easily worth $7000 USD. More power to him I reckon it is cheap at twice the price.
Please tell me you're taking the piss Marc ::).
So what are you saying Firko dont hold back , tell us how you feel
Well OK Bill....I hate this growing trend for the building of "replica" works bikes that have nothing to do with the real thing. I wouldn't have minded the bloke selling his TM250 for 10k as long as he described it as a fuc*ing TM250 and not a Works Replica. It's the same for those blokes who've tried to get CR450 powered RZ Honda twin shocks through as RC450 Brad Lackey Replicas when there's not a single part the same as the ridgey didge RC works bike. Just because a bikes yellow, has the right stripe and looks kinda right from 100 metres doesn't give it the brownie points to even have works in the title. Maico Moe used to laden his bikes down with replica Wheelsmith gizmos, throw a couple of stickers on the tank, call 'em Wheelsmith Works Bikes and ask 10 K for a 5k bike. Jeez :P
For a real works bike see http://www.mxworksbike.com/ (http://www.mxworksbike.com/)
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I wonder if the shocks are held on by pins and circlips like Joels RH72? I can look at the pics of Joels bike for hours. It's just so elegant.
Nice looking bike (not sure about the tank) but caveat emptor.
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I am with you Mark, it just bull shit. it`s well done and restored, Tm`s done sell all that well anyway, $4,500 tops, its still a very nice bike. if it was over here l would think about buy it.
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If he really is fair dinkum, I think you'll find there's a little shortarse bloke beside him in a white suit, crying, " The plane, the plane..." ::)
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It's the same for those blokes who've tried to get CR450 powered RZ Honda twin shocks through as RC450 Brad Lackey Replicas when there's not a single part the same as the ridgey didge RC works bike.
To true I blame that bastard from Bendigo who is always heaping shit on HL500s.
So lets clarify Firko, if you have a ridgy didge works part are you then entitled to call it a works replica ;)
I mean lets face it ole Rusty is over selling but it is still a decent bike with YZ tank and he is no more guilty than a lot of bike manufacturers of working the 'works replica' replica tag on (Bultaco, KTM, Husaberg, et al).
Maybe custom or better yet 'Roger deCoster' 'Theme Bike' would be better. I am all for VMX having a theme bikes.
Actually this one that Bill mentioned despite having quite a few genuine RH parts has always gone under the title of TMGP, the works part was the awesome work Mike put into it
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/IMGP0717.jpg)
However we do have another bike in the pipeline that by your criteria could be a ridgy didge works replica ;)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/suzi1.jpg)
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So lets clarify Firko, if you have a ridgy didge works part are you then entitled to call it a works replica
In a single word....No. I've got a genuine RH rear 'guard on my TM/TS250 which gives it 100% more works parts than 'ol Rustys creation yet I'd be ridiculed no end if I had the balls to call it a Works Replica. If Rusty had called his creation a tribute bike or just plain called it a trick TM I wouldn't have bothered criticizing it or him. Unfortunately it seems that he's managed to convince himself that his bike is similar enough to the one Joel rode and feels that us mere mortals should have to part with 7+k or swap our 490 Maico for the privelege of owning it.
* While I'm in soapbox mode, what's with the gold Excel rims on Rusty and NZ Mikes otherwise trick period bikes? Technicolour Excel rims don't belong on pre '75 bikes in my humble opinion. The gold colour is too bright and the Excel logo stands out like canine goolies, detracting from the bike. I've been guilty of black and even purple rims on my bikes in the past but I've seen the light and won't make that mistake again.
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I do like that bike of Marcs :) i would replace the gold rims but other than that it ticks all the boxes :)
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I think it is fantastic and easily worth $7000 USD. ;) More power to him I reckon it is cheap at twice the price.
$7K ? Seems rather high to me. You aren't involved in talking-up Sydney Real Estate are you?
It IS nice. It HAS had some work. But in the end, it is just a TM250. Let's just cast a jaded eye over it again!
Doc could knock out something awfully close for circa $100, based on past performances!
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buy it now price of $4K USD
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* While I'm in soapbox mode, what's with the gold Excel rims on Rusty and NZ Mikes otherwise trick period bikes? Technicolour Excel rims don't belong on pre '75 bikes in my humble opinion. The gold colour is too bright and the Excel logo stands out like canine goolies, detracting from the bike.
Cmon Firko you are getting less adventurous in your dotage ..... I think the TMGP is perfect just as it is, I mean I don't subscribe to the whole black rim thing but they do look great on some bikes like Wheelsmith Works Replica Maicos ;D.
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w29/motogeeze/AugustaMotocrossClub1982020.jpg)
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buy it now price of $4K USD
That's half of what he originally wanted a couple of weeks ago...he's getting desperate and closer to the market value.
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I'd give him $3000 pacific pesos (NZ dollars) at todays rate thats USD$2000 for it maximum.
Give me marcs bike anyday,very cool,and built by a genius (Mike Felton).I like the gold rims.Its black rims and fatbars, that I detest on VMX bikes.
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Yeah Craig, I guess gold is a better option to black (even though I've got black rims on my Maico) in some eyes. The big thing to me is that gold rims weren't around in 1974 and that's where a lot of younger guys stuff up. Because gold rims have been around for their whole lives, they often automatically assume that gold has been available from day one. In those dark days your options were silver or polished bare alloy..full stop!
To many old farts like me it looks really odd on a pre '75 bike, especially the brighter, more modern shades of gold. I've had gold, purple and now have black on my Maico but the next time she's seen in public she'll have a nice shiny polished set of Akronts on her. ;)
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Whats your opinion of the prices of the crf 450 at the top of the page and the cr 250 at the bottom of page ? :o :o
http://www.xtrememotorbikes.com.au/l14-0/accessories/honda/
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Ah ah ah put down the crack pipe 45k for a 3 year old CRF 450? 6K for 75 CR 125
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Ah ah ah put down the crack pipe 45k for a 3 year old CRF 450? 6K for 75 CR 125
lets not get too excited further down he says it is valued at $8000. Interesting I was looking at some plastics the other day and noticed that the graphics on the young guys CRF cost $300 1.5 times a full set of plastics. Different priorities of different generation, kind of like when the Japanese started building reliable MXer.
The thing I celebrate is that whole colored tyre thing was short lived. Didn't want to see red tyres AND black rims on the next Firko Wheelsmith Maico/
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Black rims on pre 75 is ok its that bright gold thats not right , Lighter flat gold ala sun rims on pre 78 is cool but bright gold rims are evo on ;)
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Marc he says the frame is valued at $8000..
Those guys at Xtreme are on drugs, they've had ridiculous prices on their 'full factory' bikes for years. Not only that it's a very much outdated (by modern standards) 2008 model. Talk about a bunch of dreamers!!
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Then there's this one
http://www.xtrememotorbikes.com.au/d26-14/honda-cr250-2002/
....."the best mx'er in the world" :o :o
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Marc he says the frame is valued at $8000..
Those guys at Xtreme are on drugs, they've had ridiculous prices on their 'full factory' bikes for years. Not only that it's a very much outdated (by modern standards) 2008 model. Talk about a bunch of dreamers!!
sorry never read closely enough. Yeah 45 grand is wild ... not sure there is VMXer that has commanded that price tag but I may be wrong.
ighter flat gold ala sun rims on pre 78 is cool but bright gold rims are evo on ... your right Bill Mike needs to get his shit together
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Then there's this one
http://www.xtrememotorbikes.com.au/d26-14/honda-cr250-2002/
....."the best mx'er in the world" :o :o
Yeah that's why Reed, Canard, Windham etc are riding 2002 250 2 smokers.
Like i said.. Dreamers
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When poeple start restoring bikes like the TM 250 and they are trying to make it look like a factory bike, they need to take more notice of the expansion chambers, the factory pipes don`t look anything like the pipes on the tm`s that are post up on this thread.
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the factory pipes don`t look anything like the pipes on the tm`s that are post up on this thread.
Posted on: Today at 07:59:05 PMPosted by: JohnnyO
Dave, there is nothing whatsoever the same on those TM's as a factory bike barring maybe the replica RH airbox on Mike Feltons bike. These bikes are TM's, the factory bikes are RH's, nothing alike. I get your point about the pipes though. The unpainted cone pipe look is another pre 85 era trend that looks wrong on a pre '75. The modern fatty style pipe wouldn't look so out of place if it was painted black.
I'd still have either TM in my shed though, especially the Kiwi one.
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When poeple start restoring bikes like the TM 250 and they are trying to make it look like a factory bike, they need to take more notice of the expansion chambers, the factory pipes don`t look anything like the pipes on the tm`s that are post up on this thread.
That’s because the factory pipes of the day didn’t have any mufflers at all, or any muffler worthwhile mentioning anyway.
It depends on whether the ‘replica’ is going to be ridden or not.
There are not a lot of places where you would get a lot of rides with a straight out pipe.
Most works RH bikes that I’ve seen didn’t have Yamaha tanks fitted.
I see he did this to save weight, it would be interesting to start weighing tanks to see what is really saved.
I have a YZ C tank and it comes in at 1.6 Kg
Any one got a TM tank to weigh?
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Dave, there is nothing whatsoever the same on those TM's as a factory bike barring maybe the replica RH airbox on Mike Feltons bike. I'd still have either TM in my shed though, especially the Kiwi one.
Turn in your ridgy didge spotters cert Firko, you didn't spot the NOS RH250 cylinder and barrel, sand cast magnesium hub and backing plate, titanium RH bolts, throttle, brake pedal replica, brake stay arm and various other detail things on the Kiwi TMGP.
Its never been called an RH anything, I think it was really built to be a RH substitute race bike for Mikes ex Miller RH and things got out of hand. Anyway I am in love with it and it is in my will to be gifted back to Mike, so it is not about to turn up on ebay.
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Would be intereseted to see how Mike got that barrel to sit on those cases,
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Sorry Marc forgot the bike had those bits....I didn't look too hard, my mistake :-[. However, your bike has never been a problem, to my knowledge its never been described as a "works" anything...it is what it is, a superbly modified TM250. My whole gripe is in bikes being described as "works replicas", wrongly alluding that there's some sort of works bike connection. It's even worse when the bike has absolutely no works parts whatsoever, as 'ol Rustys TM has. Jeez, even my $100 TM/TS VMX project bike below has more works parts and I can't even bring myself to call it a TM ;D
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/suz.jpg)
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and just getting back to Xtreme - they have always been expensive on all their bikes!
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Hey Craig are you going over to C/Dirt?
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Hi Mike,not 100% yet,but will be trying.
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pop bye Klub Kevlar tent for a margareeta
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Would be intereseted to see how Mike got that barrel to sit on those cases,
Mikes pretty clever, current project is carbon fiber moulds for blowing dents out of alloy tanks, stay tuned.
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what is the difference between a rh250 and a tm250 a prise who knows and good luck
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what is the difference between a rh250 and a tm250 a prise who knows and good luck
The only thing the same were the handgrips, levers and petrol cap
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I think the levers where machined down JohnnyO....was the tank decal the same?
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Just checked parts books and the tank striping tape is also different, but levers are the same.
The bikes are that different that they may as well be different brands.
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I'm sure DT said the levers where "slimmed down"....I know......they had the same color black frame. ;D
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I seem to remember somebody (Possibly Dave Tanner) telling me that even the shades of yellow are different.
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I didn't know you were 'in to' S&M Marc :D
(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/funnies/sheepshag_avatar.gif)
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I'm sure DT said the levers where "slimmed down"....I know......they had the same color black frame. ;D
Maybe he said he's slimmed down ;)
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at the end of the day, the description is over the top, but i reckon that bike is beautiful. Change the rims to standard silver alloy maybe, and peel the sticker off the carb. The tank looks like it grew there. I love it ;D Sorry ;D
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/suzuki%20tm%20trick%204.jpg)
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I should also point out that I agree with the asking price issue others have mentioned. It's not a works bike, or a replica, just a nice bike, built to one guy's vision.
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As l have said before if the bike was in Australia l would buy it. He has done a great job.
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As l have said before if the bike was in Australia l would buy it. He has done a great job.
too true that, I think more power to the dude, plus you have to have that attitude, no matter how you resto a bike there is always a few 'doubting Thomas's' or Firkos.
Have TM400 on the water at the moment, going to do TM400GP, just it will be a red one ;D Plus have hooter of a swing arm for it.
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In defence of "doubting Firko", I don't think he had too much of a problem with it apart from the seller's description did he? Yellow rims aside
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Yeah....fair go Marc....I've repeatedly said that I like the bike and even said that I'd like to own it. My only problems were with the 'works replica' description and with the original 8k price. You know me well enough Marc to know that I love bikes that go against the usual interpretation of "how it should be done", the special. Like you, I've got a shed full of them, including my own two hot rod TM's.
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Yeah....fair go Marc....I've repeatedly said that I like the bike and even said that I'd like to own it. My only problems were with the 'works replica' description
Apologies Firko, just having a bit of a lend. I guess I am a sucker for the old 'works replica' marketing ploy, with my fleet including John Banks replica, Mike Hailwood replica and Paul Smart replica. Would also like to add to the garage HDT replica, Jim Pomeroy replica ;D
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From the Collins oxford dictionary
REPLICA exact copy,esp. duplicate made by original artist of his picture etc model esp on smaller scale
I believe this clears up the misuse of the word replica ;)
Safe to say their are fork all replicas in VMX
Even the coveted 74 rh 250s and RN 400s are not REPLICAS of the original works bikes , very cool bikes in their own right but not replicas :)
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From the Collins oxford dictionary
Safe to say their are fork all replicas in VMX
Cmon Bill replicas are like 'limited editions' , 'anniversary models', from memory Joel Smets even had one.
Not to mention '6 Days replicas', 'Paris Dakar' replicas, 'Lucky Strike' replicas.
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OK Bill, how about the 75 Husky 360GP? ;D
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From the Collins oxford dictionary
REPLICA exact copy,esp. duplicate made by original artist of his picture etc model esp on smaller scale
I believe this clears up the misuse of the word replica ;)
Safe to say their are fork all replicas in VMX
Even the coveted 74 rh 250s and RN 400s are not REPLICAS of the original works bikes , very cool bikes in their own right but not replicas :)
Come on Bill, that’s a bit like twisting statistics to suit your objective.
noun
1. a copy or reproduction of a work of art produced by the maker of the original or under his or her supervision.
2. any close or exact copy or reproduction.
You missed line 2
My HL replicas are a close reproduction
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OK Bill, how about the 75 Husky 360GP? ;D
So is the 360 gp an exact copy ? of Heikkis bike and if so at what stage of the season ?
I dont Know ???
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From the Collins oxford dictionary
Safe to say their are fork all replicas in VMX
Cmon Bill replicas are like 'limited editions' , 'anniversary models', from memory Joel Smets even had one.
Not to mention '6 Days replicas', 'Paris Dakar' replicas, 'Lucky Strike' replicas.
Sorry mate not according to the dictonary ;)
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I see he did this to save weight, it would be interesting to start weighing tanks to see what is really saved.
I have a YZ C tank and it comes in at 1.6 Kg
Any one got a TM tank to weigh?
3kg on the b'room scales, GMC.
Not a lot of wt saving there, but at the risk of opening a can of worms, the 190lbs may not be as far fetched as it seems.
Larry Watkins built 197 lb stock frame 360 RT2M back in the day & the TM engine is considerably lighter than an RT2 engine. Also, it maybe a TS250 frame which are somewhat lighter than TM frames.
Having a TS250 frame & engine (w the rack-&-pinion clutch cover) in the shed, I've often tho't one should be able to make a lightweight weapon w a min of fuss/cost. 75TM gear ratios & 74 barrell would be a nice addition too.
200lbs should be realstic.
Its a very nice looking bike (apart from the gold rims) even w the YZ tank, which isn't too-far out of place IMHO.
Its not hard to see Mark's point w the works replica tag (& the original price!), but I don't have a problem w it, since it is used so broadly these days.
He does actually call it a "TM250 works replica", which is an oxymoron if ever there was one!!
So I don't really think he's trying to misrepresent it.
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From the Collins oxford dictionary
REPLICA exact copy,esp. duplicate made by original artist of his picture etc model esp on smaller scale
I believe this clears up the misuse of the word replica ;)
Safe to say their are fork all replicas in VMX
Even the coveted 74 rh 250s and RN 400s are not REPLICAS of the original works bikes , very cool bikes in their own right but not replicas :)
Come on Bill, that’s a bit like twisting statistics to suit your objective.
noun
1. a copy or reproduction of a work of art produced by the maker of the original or under his or her supervision.
2. any close or exact copy or reproduction.
You missed line 2
My HL replicas are a close reproduction
Geoff you must have the Aussie version of the Oxford ;)
As i interpret the word your pipes would be replicas of your original , ie built to the same spec as the original by the original craftsman ;D and thats a good thing ;D
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Yeah but Bill Geoffs pipes are replicas of the replica pipes he produced from the HL replicas.
So does that mean I have an..... HL replica replica replica ?
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Yeah but Bill Geoffs pipes are replicas of the replica pipes he produced from the HL replicas.
So does that mean I have an..... HL replica replica replica ?
You would have to check with big K on that one Marc :D
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Geoff you must have the Aussie version of the Oxford ;)
I guess we can use what ever version suits our needs ;D
As i interpret the word your pipes would be replicas of your original , ie built to the same spec as the original by the original craftsman ;D and thats a good thing ;D
Now I'm pissed off, I bought a Holden Commodore recently and now you tell me its just a replica ??? :o ;D
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In saying all that if its your bike you can call it Susan if you want :) its nobodys buisness but yours what you call it (until its up for sale ;) )
I think calling somthing a replica if you have built it yourself is doing yourself an injustice . Its your creation your personal interpretation of what ever it might be ;D and going by my Oxford definition again only you can build a replica of that creation ???
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Ahh Bill, being an ex-pom it would seem your all hung up on the wording from Pommy dictionaries ;D
And from the Websters dictionary...
Noun 1. Copy that is not the original; something that has been copied.[Wordnet].
Verb 1. A copy of a work of art, as of a picture or statue, made by the maker of the original.[Websters]
2. Repetition.[Websters]
3. Base verb from the following inflections: replicaing, replicaed, replicas, replicaer, replicaers, replicaingly and replicaedly
Doesnt' say anything about it has to be built by the original builder.
And from Microsoft word thesaurus...(we all know that Microsoft could never be wrong)
Replca, to...
copy
imitation
duplication
reproduction
carbon copy
So if a carbon copy of a HL or CMS frame is not to be called a replica, what would it be called?
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So if a carbon copy of a HL or CMS frame is not to be called a replica, what would it be called?
I would say if it is a carbon copy then facsimilie would be the appropriate term. ;)
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Ahh Bill, being an ex-pom
Geoff thats the nicest thing anyones ever said to me :'( cheques in the mail :)
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I see he did this to save weight, it would be interesting to start weighing tanks to see what is really saved.
I have a YZ C tank and it comes in at 1.6 Kg
Any one got a TM tank to weigh?
3kg on the b'room scales, GMC.
Not a lot of wt saving there,
Actually 1.4 Kg saving doesn’t sound too bad, I would have thought it would be way less than that.
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While we're on the subject of trick TM Suzukis, here's a couple of shots of Roger Grangers trick TM400 that he claims weighs 170lbs! I have no other details of the bike other than the caption to the photos stating the weight. It's a trick one for sure, it appears to have an aftermarket frame but who can spot the other parts on the bike?
I'm glad I found this bike and the claim of it weighing 170lbs. That might help silence the doubting Thomas who questioned my own TM400s 180lbs weight. ;)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/roger%20grangers%20TM400.%202%20jpg.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/roger%20grangers%20TM400.jpg)
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Very cool bike 8) i want one ;D
RM B tank
RM 125B,C front wheel
Sw arm
Pipe
mag cover
chain guide
Gear lever
shocks
air fork caps
RM seat
Brake stay arm
Rear wheel ?
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It's a trick one for sure, it appears to have an aftermarket frame but who can spot the other parts on the bike?
Any thoughts on which after market frame ??, engine mounts look a lot like the stockers.
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Your slipping Black Bill.....84 RM alloy gearlever, RMT footpegs?, trick alloy kickstart (whats it off Bill), alloy clutch arm (wherent std steel?).....but he's lost the plot.....he's got 2 sparkplugs in it....whats he thinking? ;D
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Are they Yamaha YZA/B forks? The frame may be a Champion or C&J...The steering head bracing and swingarm look Champion. Not sure though ???
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Forks look like std TM 250/400 L or M may be turned down a bit ???
Joan you got me on the footpegs ::) been using those on TMs that long forgot there not std ;D you sure the kickstarts alloy ? looks Like RM A B C std equip ::) ???
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Swing arm looks very Dr 400 ish. ( 1980 model )
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In saying all that if its your bike you can call it Susan if you want :) its nobodys buisness but yours what you call it (until its up for sale ;) )
I think calling somthing a replica if you have built it yourself is doing yourself an injustice . Its your creation your personal interpretation of what ever it might be ;D and going by my Oxford definition again only you can build a replica of that creation ???
dont know i just dont think susan is an ideal name for a tm 250 ;D
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A mate emailed me this arvo and reckoned that he saw the bike on Mark Holloways chat room a couple of years ago and apparently it's got a titanium frame.
''I was at the race at Glen Helen where he showed up with that trick TM and saw it both racing and up close. I think his last name is actually Byrd if I recall right. The bike had aftermarket frame (can't remember if it was a C&J?) and swingarm, custom triple clamps, and everything lightned, milled, drilled, or made of unobtanium. The bike was patterned after those factory Suzuki works bikes from the early 1970's that DID weigh 170lbs and it would not surprise me if it actually was that light or close to it. Dan himself on the otherhand looked to be an easy 200+ pounder
I had never heard of him or seen him race before, but we have a couple former factory riders racing with our VMX club and he was right with them all day on that TM. It carved and turned like no TM I ever remembered and had plenty of power and straightline stability and he was just flicking it around on what was a very tight track that day with 1 large uphill that he would scoot right up chasing the top 2 guys. He may have even won a moto or class 1st overall for the day too, but my memory isn't that great as I wasn't really focused on him or the bike that much unless it was between my motos''
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Dan Berg was a 5X CMC champ....I parked next to him at the Calvmx race after Glen Helen which was at Perris Raceway last month. Yes it was a Titanium framed works replica TM400 and the owner(didnt catch his name) did tell me it was 170 lbs....Dan was leading his race with Scott Burnworth and Jim Gibson in hot pursuit before the pipe broke...
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Forks look like std TM 250/400 L or M may be turned down a bit ???
Joan you got me on the footpegs ::) been using those on TMs that long forgot there not std ;D you sure the kickstarts alloy ? looks Like RM A B C std equip ::) ???
Yeah i'd say it's a alloy kick starter, it's also got Ohlins shocks.
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Kickstarter looks almost '83 Kawasaki..'Tis what I've been using for years on my 400C ;)
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Are they Yamaha YZA/B forks? The frame may be a Champion or C&J...The steering head bracing and swingarm look Champion. Not sure though ???
Dick Mann, square swingarm has that look, however the fact that it is made out of Titanium makes the origin even more interesting. I have often wondered how TM400 donk would go with CZ or Maico frame from the era.
But very tasty sled, be nice in my garage.