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Clubroom => Competition => Topic started by: bigthumpa on February 10, 2011, 08:43:19 pm
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Was wondering what level of support there may be for a ''Pre85 fourstroke allpowers class''? Would this encourage all those CCM's, HL's, TT's, Husky 510's etc to come out and have a play? Maybe a support class for Crystal Brook and, just maybe, a championship class in the future. What do you guys think???? :)
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I like the sound of that. Good luck
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I think it's a good idea but i'd rather see it as an Evo 4 stroke class otherwise stock XR600's and TT600's will clean up and why would you bother with a mega dollar twin shock CCM or HL when a standard single shock bike would be better..
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I very much agree with JohnnyO's take on this.
EVO 4 stroke all powers would account well for the twin shock hybrids
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"stock xr and tt will clean up" , no way. on vintage tracks (smoother) the difference is minimal. its the rider that wins not the bike. i think its more important to have pre 85 so we can have max number of bikes on start line.
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Pre 85 all the way. TC510 is way better than a XR or TT
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As I own a 84 KTM four banger I like this idea.
As most the singles would be trail bikes converted I cant see how a purpose built twin shock MXer would be at a disavantage? IMO a 84 Husky MXer would be the gun bike.
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As I own a 84 KTM four banger I like this idea.
As most the singles would be trail bikes converted I cant see how a purpose built twin shock MXer would be at a disavantage? IMO a 84 Husky MXer would be the gun bike.
You don't think single shock disc brake is better than twin shock drum brake??
Most of the purpose built 4 stroke MX'ers used frames designed and built in the 70's with trail bike engines from the 70's (apart from the husky).. Bikes changed a lot in the 80's.
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"stock xr and tt will clean up" , no way. on vintage tracks (smoother) the difference is minimal. its the rider that wins not the bike. i think its more important to have pre 85 so we can have max number of bikes on start line.
True it is up to the rider but i'd like to see the rules encourage people to bring out those trick '70's built 4 stroke C&J's, HL's, CCM's BSA's etc.
A field full of used and abused XR's and TT's would be about as exciting as a trip to the local quarry 20 years ago with all the bush bashers out in force.
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If you make it EVO the Husky 510 1983/84 is still way better than any special built bike. It would have to be pre 78 to protect all those 70's specials. I am all for pre 85 but that is my opinion. People build bikes to suit the rules. Make it EVO and you will see Maico framed specials Huskies etc. They will still flog a lot of the early specials. Make it pre78 Then heaps of latter bikes miss out. Make it pre85 everyone can ride. There will always be bikes that do not fit the class or are not competitive, but that is the case with all VMX racing.
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If you make it EVO the Husky 510 1983/84 is still way better than any special built bike. It would have to be pre 78 to protect all those 70's specials. I am all for pre 85 but that is my opinion. People build bikes to suit the rules. Make it EVO and you will see Maico framed specials Huskies etc. They will still flog a lot of the early specials. Make it pre78 Then heaps of latter bikes miss out. Make it pre85 everyone can ride. There will always be bikes that do not fit the class or are not competitive, but that is the case with all VMX racing.
Not so we have one of the best 4 stroke riders here in QLD Tony Caville, BSA 500 on methanol will beat a 2010 RMZ 450 in a start line drag,belive it was best of 4 ,it won every time,so bring it on any size and age up to pre 85, you might be suprised whats at the front of the field
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your right graham "bring it on any size any age!" iv seen caville and his bsa give a tt500 engine in a 1981 maico 490 frame the big get out of my way for a whole race! most important to me is to get as many in each race as possible. thats real racing!
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Tony Cavell is a good rider and would be interesting to see how high up he could finish in a pre '85 race on that BSA but an equal rider on a TT500 engined '81 Maico should always win.
Maybe it would be better to start with a pre '85 class to make sure there are enough numbers to run the class, there aren't that many good twinshock 4 strokes around.
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Why do you need a "four stroke" class? Just ride the bikes in amongst everything else in the appropriate class.
K
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Yea....like they use to....its racist really isnt it?....wheres the politically correct morrons....at the end of the day its usually the rider , not so much the bike.
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it would depend on the track which bike tony cavell would be quickest on. low centre of gravity bike like his bsa corners so much quicker than a taller bike. the track would have to be very rough for tony to be slower on his bsa. every vmx track i have ridden on in qld is smooth enough for the bsa to kick ass!
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Why have a four stroke class? they sound cool, are twice as much work to look after and its bloody great to watch the likes of tony cavell clean up up all the evos 4/t on his beezer, so let them have some fun..!!
Look out if he ever gets on an evo!
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Why have a four stroke class? they sound cool, are twice as much work to look after and its bloody great to watch the likes of tony cavell clean up up all the evos 4/t on his beezer, so let them have some fun..!!
Look out if he ever gets on an evo!
Bring it on! There are hardly any late 70's early 80's 4 strokes out there racing now, having their own class would surely bring them out of the woodwork.
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Thankyou good vmx people for your feedback so far! Some good points have been pointed out, and yes Tony Cavell on his bsa would possibly kick arse competing on certain terrain. However I guess if there is strong support for this class of racing maybe a single class of pre85 to start with then maybe an evo class if the numbers are there. The sound of big fourstrokes off the start line for me, has has always managed to set my heart rate up! I would be interested in the opinions of the classic commisioners, (cue for Fatboy!), do you think it is a do-able thing???? :)
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Anything Big, Phat & Four Banger gets my vote.
I think as the years roll on some classes are getting " Classed " out though.
It's all about keeping the masses happy, as one becomes popular, one wilts away.
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Deadright, Slidey, there's way too many classes with mediocre support feebly hanging in there already. Combine a few, and make room for 4-Stroke Allcomers !
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GD, if the entries at any specific meeting actually warrant it you could still hold a class within a class.
I reckon this idea has legs, it has probably been discussed in the past but nothing lasts forever, just ask Warney & Liz.
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Deadright, Slidey, there's way too many classes with mediocre support feebly hanging in there already. Combine a few, and make room for 4-Stroke Allcomers !
GD you're on the money there.
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Something like this would do me fine..
(http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc374/JohnnyO31/Vintage%20mx%20bikes/JBRsilver.jpg)
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What about this 1 jonnhy
(http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h337/kaw500/P3130669.jpg)
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aha the secret squirell kx500 is finished
mmmmmmmmm nice :P
or huskawa, kawasky,husaki, ;D ;D
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I like Huskasaki ;D......Nice bike. The mark of a good special is to make it look as if the factory produced it in the first place. This one ticks all of the boxes.
I like the idea of a pre 85 four stroke class. Against advice from 'those who know' I introduced a 4 stroke class right from that first meeting at Amaroo in 1988 and at its peak the four stroke class was one of the most well supported classes in pre '75. The opponents all cried the old phurphy that "four strokes have always had to compete against two strokes on a level playing field so why cater for them now"? The answer of course was to give an outlet for the countless XL Honda tailbikes and old British iron that would otherwise have been kept in the shed. It also encouraged a bit of artistic expression by the building of all sorts of specials making the sport just a bit more interesting. By continuing the concept in pre 85 and eventually pre 90, a new generation of racers will be encouraged to build a new generation of trail bike engined hot rods. In pre '75 we were mostly restricted to Hondas great old XL powerplant but in pre 85 the option list is far more attractive. Every Japanese marque has an engine to choose from and speed equipment is now far more prevalent. Bring it on. ;)
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What about this 1 jonnhy
(http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h337/kaw500/P3130669.jpg)
That's awesome Simon.. great job! I'm keen to hear what it's like on the track :)
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Thanks for your comments Firko :) So what's the best way to ''kickstart'' this big 4 stroke thing (the idea that is!!!)
Probably a bit late for a rule change for next year, do you think????? ;D