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Clubroom => Tech Talk => Topic started by: Slakewell on January 19, 2011, 02:38:14 pm
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Just wondering? I just sandblasted my case and noticed it mag. I was planing to polish some of it and painting the rest. Can you get a high chrome type finish?
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No
And Mag. has a protective coating under the paint so it shouldn't really be blasted.
Light scrub and sand & then repaint is recommended
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No
And Mag. has a protective coating under the paint so it shouldn't really be blasted.
Light scrub and sand & then repaint is recommended
Oppss It's a bit late about the sand blasting tip. But thanks.
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And oops again....what sort of coating does it (should it) have under the paint?
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Its a dichromate treatment. Where are you - maybe I can point you in the right direction.
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Passivation and chromate, exposed magnesium will oxidies very fast.
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Its a dichromate treatment. Where are you - maybe I can point you in the right direction.
Yeah, that sounds like it. I didn’t think you could get it redone easily though as its very toxic?
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You need a friend who is a licensed maintenance engineer for an airline company.
Cheers, Grahame
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You could polish and then clear paint it maybe.
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This has me confused. I simply sanded and polished my RM400 stator cover with 400g wet and dry then Brasso and it is most definitely magnesium ??? Finished it off to something like a shiny mill finish like alloy fork lowers, just the appearance I was after but it would have polished to a near mirror finish if I'd wanted. Polished TM mag covers also by hand and they came up absolutely gleaming ;) They've all been like that for ages and haven't discoloured, corroded or oxidized, nor have they had any sort of protective spray, clear cote or special treatment since..may have had the odd spray of WD but not that I can remember :-\ what have I done wrong! :D
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I've seen TY250B/C/D type (magnesium) outer engine covers (which are normally painted silver from new) polished to a mirror finish and used in competition. No idea how often they needed repolishing but the owner wasn't complaining.
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I can't be pure magnesium. Magnesium oxidises so readily that a shaving of it will ignite and burn with a match.
Cheers, Grahame.
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I had polished the old covers on the XL ....bad move, couldn't keep 'em shiny for any length of time. I've put later model covers on now and was going to re-paint the old ones, but maybe it won't be real successful without the wacky do treatment first?
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I can't be pure magnesium. Magnesium oxidises so readily that a shaving of it will ignite and burn with a match.
Cheers, Grahame.
Very true .Great care must be taken when machining magnesium, fine swarf can self ignite, can't throw water on it as it will explode
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"Magnesium" is actually an alloy of magnesium and aluminium (and other stuff) - bikes don't use anything like pure Mg, just like they don't use anything like pure Al.
A story from a rally buddy: He got hold of some fairly pure Mg and either by design or accident, it caught on fire. He buried it in his backyard. A fortnight later, he dug it out, and it instantly re-ignited. He covered it in dirt again, and no further studies are planned.
My experience with "Mg" bike parts is like MX?'s - they polished up nicely and I thought I was a genius. Then they tarnished really quickly and looked like pooh.
I haven't had any dramas with painting over bead-blasted magnesium bits, though.
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I usually use etch primer then automotive touch-up spray paint on motorbike "magnesium" and have never had a problem with corrosion or the paint falling off.
If you have made something metallic very shiny and now want to paint it, the paint will stick better if you give the surface some roughness (fine sanding is good) for the paint to hold on to.
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jeez I wish it wasn't 2am cause I'd whip down and take photos of my rm400 and tm125 covers as they sit. Both have been through all the recent shit weather and bullshit of late and have not been touched since CD7 last year. The RM cover is dull and need a quick polish but 'no' corrosion whatsoever and the TM cover looks like I've only just polished it yesterday as it's still gleaming. I just checked to be doubly sure! The only corrosion I'm having is the white oxide on the polished 'alloy' cases from the damp weather of late. I would not hesitate to polish more.
late edit, just snuck a photo of the TM cover ::) As you can see the metal parts on the RM beside have started to corrode with the damp weather of late but the mag cover is just dusty and still quite okay...
(http://boospq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pI9U7bPCQ2g7QjcTfap0btWStF8Qe60qldtBRIb2V9sd05BlIsgiPUFLdqa-DJ_wTriRU-eDtqnwg3xxCvgaiI2Nh7w1UkzMD/tm125%20mag%20stator%20cover%20002.jpg?psid=1)
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Sorry, I guess I got to technical. I wasn’t suggesting that it couldn’t be painted or that it would disintegrate in your hands.
It will just be affected long term, depending on conditions.
"Magnesium" is actually an alloy of magnesium and aluminium (and other stuff) - bikes don't use anything like pure Mg, just like they don't use anything like pure Al.
Exactly.
Also the amount of various elements in a casting varies from manufactures and years.
Generally high Mag content is a bit more greyish in looks and I wouldn’t have thought would polish to the same shine as your average alloy.
The tarnishing is actually the oxides forming.
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Normally the lighter it is the more Mag in the casting. You can also give it a file and see how hard it is.
Ill give it a buff and see and post some photo's.I will also paint clear afterwards if it looks OK.
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Normally the lighter it is the more Mag in the casting.
Yes, and also more brittle.
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Yup easy to smash. I used to hate welding chain saw cases so charged like a cranky bull 8)
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I'm about to have these magnesium Morris wheels prepped and powdercoated. They're intended for my 650 Benelli flat track project. The front's in pretty good nick but the rear, shown is covered in peeling powdercoat and shows some powdery oxidation. This is the first I've heard about it being detrimental to blast magnesium. Can anyone enlarge on this before I do something I may later regret?
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/IMG_5956.JPG)
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I didnt think TM's had any mag parts on them Doc.......arent they just alloy?
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I know the magnesium wheels have to be sealed with something or rather otherwise they leak air.
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Firko,
You should really have the wheel x-rayed or some other NDT as all true Mag Alloy wheels do have a use by date. CAMS require bi-annual tests of true Mag Alloy wheels as far as I know. When Alfa fitted true Mag wheels to road cars they caused all sorts of problems as the coating was easily damaged during tyre changing by the local service centres using normal tools. Morris are arguably the best era wheels unfortunately the alloy deteriorates internally nothing to do with the wheel manufacturer.
The flywheel cover on Montesa Cota 349’s is Mag Alloy and is feather weight for the size of the cover. I have found that if not coated the alloy deteriorates rapidly actually becoming brittle and is attached internally by the environment not just on the surface.