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Marque Remarks => Yamaha => Topic started by: mainline on December 28, 2010, 05:36:44 pm
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well, it started off as this....
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/mainline_bucket/X2.jpg)
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/mainline_bucket/X1.jpg)
and it's currently at this stage....
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/mainline_bucket/cprogress1.jpg)
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/mainline_bucket/cprogress2.jpg)
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Looking very good looks like a gt80 kickstart in the first photo made to fit.
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Looking very good looks like a gt80 kickstart in the first photo made to fit.
it had something for everyone, 175 top end, strange twisty gearshifter, headlight etc...
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I should point out that it has an X swingarm courtesy of Brad, an X shock courtesy of Tony IT400c, and X forks sans aircaps from Tony ty4, cheers gents
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Nice one mate. I see you still haven't mowed your lawn since the other resto you did!
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My fav Yam Mainline (along with the YZ250G) ;) I had a YZ125C/MX175C many moons ago and so did my mate John (Dunny) except his had the PP headlight and matching rear guard tail light combo. It also had the Vesco fat skinny tank and I can still see the original alloy tank sitting on the shelf under his house..I should double check but no doubt it's all but memories :( My other mate the Baker had a fully sorted Wayne McAlweigh (sp) modded to the eyeballs MX125 :o The Chainsaw we called it as it reved to what seemed about 20000rpm but went nowhere any quicker than anything else..least we could hear him coming behind :D another mate at the time Rob (Clarkey) had a 70's style metalic brown and white '75 MX125B that was fully road registered. Yours is looking nice..great memories 8)
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I see you still haven't mowed your lawn since the other resto you did!
the moss on the drive will be taking hold soon also if this fuggin' weather doesn't let up :D
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Tell me about it Doc, I just went and bought 20 litres of mould/concrete cleaner today...me driveway's slippery than TMBill in a Dubai horehouse after the deed and he cant find his wallet!!! ;D
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I just bought an OW tank to put on my 125C...wanna make a replica of the first works 125 monoshock...have most of the other parts already, I just have to finish the 4 projects on the go at the moment.
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I just bought an OW tank to put on my 125C...wanna make a replica of the first works 125 monoshock...have most of the other parts already, I just have to finish the 4 projects on the go at the moment.
Davey i'm guessing that's the tank that sold on ebay a couple days ago?
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Yep.
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Looks like most of that guys stuff is coming to Oz..
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I reckon the Kawasaki forks where dodgy...whoever got them might be in for a surprise...everything he listed was bike model specific except for those 2 sets of forks...I reckon the forks themselves are roadrace items, the 36mm forks are very short, tripples look KX/SR...the 38mm forks are short for 38's and dont have knurrling where the tripples go, the tripples look too "modern" and they have a disc brake mount on them...I think thats why they went cheap especially compared to the OW forks....the OW front wheel and brakes price blew me away though....I hope he puts more stuff up...do you know who he is?...the KX/SR tank went cheap...especially compared to holly equip's replica's...I wonder if they bought that tank?
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Was that the really fat looking one from works pilot ?
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Yea, but I think it was the angle he took that photo as the other pickies looked OK.
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I reckon the Kawasaki forks where dodgy...whoever got them might be in for a surprise...everything he listed was bike model specific except for those 2 sets of forks...I reckon the forks themselves are roadrace items, the 36mm forks are very short, tripples look KX/SR...the 38mm forks are short for 38's and dont have knurrling where the tripples go, the tripples look too "modern" and they have a disc brake mount on them...I think thats why they went cheap especially compared to the OW forks....the OW front wheel and brakes price blew me away though....I hope he puts more stuff up...do you know who he is?...the KX/SR tank went cheap...especially compared to holly equip's replica's...I wonder if they bought that tank?
I hope you're wrong about the forks!
I know his name now but doesn't ring a bell. The price for that OW front hub was insane!! I'd like to get my hands on Hannah's bike that he has in those photo's.
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I wonder how many guys in Aussie are gonna bid on that YZ360B engine?....his freight's abit exy though, what do you reckon the motor will go for...I'm picking $1850.00. We should start a guessing game on some of this stuff....first prize..a date with Ji? ;D :D ;D
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Mainline thats looking awesome. My dad will love it when i show him this! He cant wait to change his imported c from yellow to white, as he bought one brand new in 76. And that means i get his yellow plastics for my X !
I doubt it now, but if for some reason you wanna put a C swingarm on it i have a spare i bought cause it had a shock attached i needed. Actually i think it has the chain guide on it for C (different to X) if you just need that.
Again, looks fantastic.
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Thanks all,
Steve, no thanks, I'm runnning the X swingarm/shock (and forks) as they are slightly longer than the C, thanks anyway though. The idea was to make a C with the best bits of the X as from what I've been told the C came out pretty late and a bit behind the competition, and then the X was rushed out to compete with what the other manufacturers had come up with.
So I'm trying to come up with what I reckon the C should have been?
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there is a x frame and swing arm on marks swap meet 60.00 us
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Your on drugs Paul, the C was the first long travel 125 available, sure it came out late compared to the YZ250/360 B's (early 74) that it was styled off, but was out before the RM125M (which was a dud as Suzuki bought out the "S" and the "M" hop up kit almost straight away ). The CR and KX where last years model (bold new grapics in magazine talk). In late 74 and early 75 they where the hot ticket and it wasnt untill the S came out it had any competition. The X, allthough slightly faster was heavier than the C and alot of riders preferred there old C model. I think building one with the best of both worlds is the go and thats what i will be doing...not with those heavy shit X forks though. Biggest problem with C's and X's is there heavy mother farkers compared to the Suzuki's (A's and B's) which are the class leaders and a light bike does everthing better!! ;) ;D. Having said that I am looking forward to my 125C build up....I'm giving it a Jenny Craig membership.
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Your on drugs Paul,
yeah, that probably doesn't help ;D
Well, i don't know where I got the idea from then, I thought it was general concensus and that it'd been discussed on here?
Anyhow, there must have been a few people doing it back in the day, as my C had some X bits on it, and the one that Vandy picked up has all the X suspension gear too.
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Your on drugs Paul, the C was the first long travel 125 available, sure it came out late compared to the YZ250/360 B's (early 74) that it was styled off, but was out before the RM125M (which was a dud as Suzuki bought out the "S" and the "M" hop up kit almost straight away ). The CR and KX where last years model (bold new grapics in magazine talk). In late 74 and early 75 they where the hot ticket and it wasnt untill the S came out it had any competition. The X, allthough slightly faster was heavier than the C and alot of riders preferred there old C model. I think building one with the best of both worlds is the go and thats what i will be doing...not with those heavy shit X forks though. Biggest problem with C's and X's is there heavy mother farkers compared to the Suzuki's (A's and B's) which are the class leaders and a light bike does everthing better!! ;) ;D. Having said that I am looking forward to my 125C build up....I'm giving it a Jenny Craig membership.
Yeah i remember the YZ125C and then the RM125S being the 2 best bikes of '75 and way ahead of the CR & KX.
Those C's were cool being the 1st cantilever 125 and looking like the works bike.
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DC - I have been watching the 360B motor also - I don't reckon it will get that high (I hope anyway). yeah freight is atrocious - best I could get quoted was $650USD - bids have been slow?
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.... I thought it was general concensus and that it'd been discussed on here?
You're both right, according to my understanding.
Basically Yamaha & Suzuki were fighting it out in the 125s - pumping out new models at a rapid rate. Whichever bike was the most recently released had the upper hand until the 1977 models (YZ-D & RM-B) when they settled back into a normal model cycle.
AFAIK, in chronological order:
RM-M;
YZ-C;
RM-S;
YZ-X;
RM-A;
YZ-D;
RM-B.
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You need to swap the RM/M around with the YZC and put in the mighty TM125 75 model in young wippersnapper.
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young wippersnapper.
but don'tcha just love the effort he goes to Davey.
you could learn a lesson there old chump ;D
either way,
i just love the detail our mate Mainline goes to when he does these things. i badger him with cheap alternatives and he ever so casually steers the conversation over to correctness.
looking good Paul 8)
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Yea, I do,but we have to keep his mind active to keep him on the right track. ;) ;D....I'm sure at this very moment he's doing more research.
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You need to swap the RM/M around with the YZC and put in the mighty TM125 75 model in young wippersnapper.
The TM125 is as relevant to discussions about competitive 125 races bikes in the 75~77 era as the CR, KX, and MX-C.
And you're right: I've been researching 1990 Mercedes power steering fluids - a genuinely mind boggling topic (until you talk to Tony on the phone and actually get a straight answer that makes sense :) ).
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thats it Nathan - I am keeping that one for use against you later - researching power steering fluids - I don't care if you are serious I am sure I will be able to turn that around somehow ;D
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But thats where your wrong Nathan, the TM came out but up against the mighty YZ125C was hopelessly outclassed, so the "M" appeared....still no contest so the "S" appeared and the hop up kit for the "M" to keep those buyers semi happy. With the "S" and the "C" it was on,. I'd disagree about the MX125C not being competative aswell.
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i've got a MX125c frame here Davey so gimme a few years and i'll be able to answer that question as to how it stacks up against the others.
i think i'll whack the "X" forks onto it just for that bit of spiff...
{spiff = poor mans bling...}
:D
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But thats where your wrong Nathan, the TM came out but up against the mighty YZ125C was hopelessly outclassed, so the "M" appeared....still no contest so the "S" appeared and the hop up kit for the "M" to keep those buyers semi happy. With the "S" and the "C" it was on,. I'd disagree about the MX125C not being competative aswell.
Having ridden a decent (not awesome) MX125C and a number of ordinary YZ125Cs, I reckon the YZ-C is a HEAP better race bike.
The TM wasn't a serious threat against the CR & KX in 1974, so when Suzuki and Yamaha got serious in 1975+, the little TM had no hope (not sure if you were agreeing with me there?).
Rossco... So it goes like this: Mother-in-law's ancient next door neighbour poured engine oil into the PS reservoir of his expensive 20-yo Merc and it became my problem. Figured that a few minutes with google to work out the correct volume & type of PS oil would be a quick and easy thing, and would be a useful start to answering the question "how much do we need to panic?".
Let me say that I was clearly reminded of the value of forums whre people actually know WTF they're talking about, and not just regurgitating the guff they've heard from the service manager at the local dealership...
And also reminded of the value of good blokes like Tony T.
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Nathan you slip one of Geoffreys YZ 125A chambers (slightly modified to fit ) onto the MX 125C and it will kick all their arses ;)
Although the YZ C & X had it over the RM 125M in the motor stakes (6 speeds over 5 ) in real world racing that monoshock was seriously flawed and overheated in long races.
You cant possibly compare the YZ 125D with the RM 125B ::) the later is a championship winning motorcycle the world over while the former is a postie bike ;D
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Get a ride on DG26's 125D before you dismiss them. Its not 100% stock, but its sure not an engineering masterpiece either.
Its the year of our lord 2010 - problems with crappy shock oil, and odd spring rates vs monoshock gas pressures from 1977 aren't particularly relevant now... Particularly as a five lap race is now considered a marathon.
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You know he has to have the last say Bill.
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Bit like you DC Boom Boom :D :D
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I didnt know my toilet was blocked up......who called the plumber?
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You know he has to have the last say Bill.
Nathan i thought we were discussing the merits of the models back in the day ( but i suppose you couldnt get one of geoffreys pipes back in the day :-[) but with Dg26 s bike probably wouldn't make any difference to a wobbler like me Nathan.
Seeing as when i was racing juniors there wasn't a delorian handy to nip into the future to pick up some 2010 technology i still maintain that production monoshock was very flawed.
Even in 70s tropical southern English summers dads were packing ice around those shocks between races, while the Suzuki dads were knocking up another trophy case between races ;)
ZYGOTE THIS IS THE LAST WORD ;)
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Gally told me the team mechanic's use to take the monoshock off between races and put them in creek/dam/whatever water supply was available.......he said most of the time they only lasted between 10 and 15 minutes before they went off.....Gunter won those years ;). The other thing with the C'S and X's is they are heavy farkers....probably 10kg's heavier than a Suzuki.....the Yamaha is more reliable...bit like a Ferrari v John Deere, you no the John Deere will get you there.....eventually ;D
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Bill, I was responding to your comment "You cant possibly compare the YZ 125D with the RM 125B" - maybe not in 1977, but you can in 2010.
Donny's bike has YZ250D forks and a longer shock - it gobbles up the rough stuff like a stocker can't and the motor's power curve is a lot fuller than the RM's (although I'm sure it lacks the peak HP figure of the RM). The more of a wobbler you are, the more it helps.
And your trolling skillz need work - MX-C vs YZ-X is arguing that more weight, less power, crapper suspension and a(n even) more flexy swing arm is better?
Davey, you're on drugs - unless the RM is made out of helium? The YZ-D is considerably heavier, for sure - but the C/X is a damn light bike. Seeing as none of us are the 60kg jockeys that the bikes were designed for, a few kilos here or there is pretty much just pissing in the wind if the rest of it works well.
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Pick up a monshock and a C/X swingarm......they weigh a farken ton..... frames and swingarms RM=chrome moly.......YZ=heavy steel....YZX forks weigh about the same as a Quantas A380 airbus...and work about as good ;D
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Hey Rossvickicampbell...that YZ360B motors up to $1150, 5 different bidders and 4 hours to go...sounds like the Blues Brothers.
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Bill, I was responding to your comment "You cant possibly compare the YZ 125D with the RM 125B" - maybe not in 1977, but you can in 2010.
Donny's bike has YZ250D forks and a longer shock - it gobbles up the rough stuff like a stocker can't and the motor's power curve is a lot fuller than the RM's (although I'm sure it lacks the peak HP figure of the RM). The more of a wobbler you are, the more it helps.
And your trolling skillz need work - MX-C vs YZ-X is arguing that more weight, less power, crapper suspension and a(n even) more flexy swing arm is better?
Davey, you're on drugs - unless the RM is made out of helium? The YZ-D is considerably heavier, for sure - but the C/X is a damn light bike. Seeing as none of us are the 60kg jockeys that the bikes were designed for, a few kilos here or there is pretty much just pissing in the wind if the rest of it works well.
Do the same sort of mods to an RM125B and it'll piss all over the YZD. I was racing an RM125B in '77 and they were the dominant bike and there's a shite load of mods we did back in the day to the engine and suspension that make them a lot better than a stocker.
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This is where we're at. Waiting on delivery of a couple of small parts and for me to sort the exhaust and then it's ready for CD8.
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/mainline_bucket/Dsc00122sm.jpg)
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cool. Nice work matey.
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Nice front guard there Mainline!! ;D
That looks like a classy Monoshock too! ::)
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all done (sort of) finished it up in a hurry to get to CD8 and had what I thought was a fuel problem that I was going to sort out at Conondale. Turned out to be electrics, so it was a static display for the weekend.
A big thanks to Vandy for his help along the way (as usual) and his pestering to finish the bloody thing.
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/mainline_bucket/Imgp1563sm.jpg)
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/mainline_bucket/Imgp1562sm.jpg)
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How big is that rear sprocket Paul?....it should do at least 30kph in top....flat out... ;D....maybe your gonna do trials riding on it?
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520 chain Davey ;)
well done amigo 8)
i really do respect the quality of finish your able to achieve Paul 8)
hang on a cotton pick'n minute!
thats my pipe!
and my barrel!
and airbox!
and rear hub!
and............. :D
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Ok then who owns the faulty stator ;D
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Ok then who owns the faulty stator ;D
i don't deal in faulty stators :D
over to you Paul ;D
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Vandy might be working on Today Tonight soon if he continues with these complete fabrications.
The bike was actually built up out of a number of tired HL500's and one yz125c. As for the electrics, well I just don't know...refer tech talk.
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Ok then who owns the faulty stator ;D
turned out to be a dodge (brand new) MCS killswitch. Test ride tomorrow!
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So how did the test ride go ?
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Really, really good. Haven't sorted the forks yet, but everything else seems spot on. Want to buy a 125f?
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Sweet - get rid of those dumpster fork springs you tight wad and find the right ones.
I would love to buy the F as I find those things a blast to ride, but the missus reckons 12 bikes is enough - no sense of humour obviously ::). That or I have to part with one - and we all know how hard that is ::) ::) ;D How much you after anyway - PM if you don't want to make it public ;)
Have you made the fatal decision yet ?