OzVMX Forum
Clubroom => Competition => Topic started by: GEORGE on December 01, 2010, 02:14:25 pm
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Is this correct? I was in Procycles this morning and got talking to a fella about vintage and he said the new Heaven committee has decided to run with pre90 next year as they are worried of loosing too many members to the newly formed Retro MX group. I hope this is so ;D. Now to get my 87 KX 250 back to race condition.
GEORGE
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And "PIGS WILL FLY" ;D ;D ;D
Damo
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I'm only asking the question and telling you what I was told Pal ???
GEORGE
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I'd love to be wrong, but I seriously doubt it.
At the least, the HEAVEN constitution needs to be changed to allow it, and that's a slow, difficult process (particularly at this time of the year).
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The fella introduced himself as Jerry. Wasp I know you don't live in NSW and you don't race solo's so maybe you should keep out of this thread. I've been following this forum for a few years now and I know you are anti pre90 and you like to stir things up so how about you start a thread on chinese shocks.
GEORGE
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I will 2nd that George well said.
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Wasp I know you don't live in NSW and you don't race solo's so maybe you should keep out of this thread. I've been following this forum for a few years now and I know you are anti pre90 and you like to stir things up so how about you start a thread on chinese shocks.
GEORGE
Yeah well said George, stay out of it WASP you have made your intentions clear about Pre90.
Stick to your training wheels ;D
Hugo
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My Dumbgeon finger is getting twitchy. Let's keep to the subject - HEAVEN running Pre 90...
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do it do it,fugging waste of space again >:(, :P
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The Heaven Constitution does not currently allow a Pre90 class as Nathan pointed out. The new Committee probably has not even met yet. If they have I suspect that next year’s program and other issues such as tracks and facilities are the top priority
There is however another NSW group, some of which are also Heaven members, who are currently forming to run Pre90. Hopefully a good working relationship can be established between the two groups so as to ensure mutual benifit and not conflict.
I thought we had done this subject to death a few months ago and the Club had a long discussion at a formal meeting. The result of which was the status quo to remain. This is Heaven Club business so it’s not really helpful to start another free for all on a public forum surely.
I did not feel that anyone was against Pre90 just for the sake of it but not for Heaven at present.
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my feeling towards all of this is, pre90 is hear to stay, adopt it, filter throught the good points and bad points of that era what you can use and what is eligile of that era. and in embrase it , and that will be it done and dusted no more, cut the roots off, so it doesn`t grow anymore. Then the clubs can run two meeting a year if they want too.
PRE 90
PRE85
PRE80
PRE78
NEXT RACE MEETING
MODERFIED CLASS , 75,76. MODELS ONLY.
PRE75
PRE70
PRE65
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I wasn't the Jerry. Cheers Jerry
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Hey Jerry, where you in WW2?. ;D
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Montynut where is the place to discuss Heaven business, at a race track on a Saturday afternoon. This isn't the place to conduct a general meeting. There's no other place to discuss matters another than this forum. As for the constitution preventing the running of pre90 thats rubbish if the committee see pre90 to be in the best interests of the club just run with it. A constitution doesn't legally bind you to do anything. You old blokes with your blinkers on will eventually kill off VMX in NSW, I just hope this NEW Retro group forges ahead to save the sport in NSW. I raced with Viper for 5 years and pre90 is the backbone of that club. Jerry if your out there join in and tell this mob of our conversation at Procycles. I've also been told that the Retro group will be running with evo, pre85 and pre90, so does that leave Heaven with 20 old blokes racing pre78 at Bulahdelah. That'll be some club! And YeSS they will all be running Chinese socks :D
GEORGE
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Hey wasp you had a go at me first, you come into a topic that dosn't affect you. I asked the question because im a Heaven member. Are you ??? ? Didn't think so :o.
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Davey probably like your self I'm from the 50's. Cheers "The Real" Jerry
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As for the constitution preventing the running of pre90 thats rubbish if the committee see pre90 to be in the best interests of the club just run with it. A constitution doesn't legally bind you to do anything.
GEORGE
It appears you have no idea how a club works so discussion is pointless ::). I hope the Pre90 group get going and that they see the value in co-operation with Heaven and not be destructive for VMX in NSW.
I also hope they correctly incorporate the organisation/club/association under the Department of Fair Trading to protect themselves and families as best possible from legal action this naturally needs a constitution to be registered and followed. Just like every sporting club or none profit organisation in NSW.
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A constitution can be made up of two parts;
the rules which include the basic principles
of the group and can be changed only by a
General Meeting, and the regulations or
by-laws which can be changed by the
committee.
You can place almost anything within a
constitution. However many aspects of your
club’s operation are more easily handled
outside the formality of the rules. For
instance, you would not include the
membership charges or club colours in the
rules. The rules in your constitution should
relate to the administration of the club.
They should not relate to the conduct of
the activities of the club. Additional nonadministrative
rules should appear in
regulations and by-laws. A clause in the
rules empowering the committee to make,
alter or delete regulations or by-laws should
appear in the constitution.
sometimes using the term" it's not in the constitution" is very loose. You guys would be far better to say it was voted down at a agm, than the above expression.
Cheers Worms
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Worms,
You are partly correct as I understand it. Any organisation/club has a Constitution which is the operational rules and sets out the objectives of the Club within this Constitution it can call into action by-laws and rules. These by-laws and rules are not actually part of the constitution and can be much more easily changed by the Committee or members. I think we are saying the same thing basically. Only the formal Constitution is registered and administered by the Department. By-laws and rules are not submitted to any Department for registration. This is NSW only not sure for other states and naturally by-laws and rules can not contradict the Constitution. So the by-laws or rules can not specify a pre90 class if the Constitution precludes it. That would seem pretty obvious ;)
Unfortunately or fortunately depending on your view the registered Constitution of Heaven does not allow bikes built 1985 or later.
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It appears you have no idea how a club works so discussion is pointless ::). I hope the Pre90 group get going and that they see the value in co-operation with Heaven and not be destructive for VMX in NSW.
Hi Monty
The new group will be focussed on providing an outlet for riders to compete on the best tracks that NSW has to offer on machinery built up to 1989. I for one certainly see the value in co-operation however it would seem likely that at this point this desire to co-operate would not be reciprocated. We will be participating with other clubs so are restricted to setting our calendar by their dates. If there is to be date clashes then yes I would agree that this would be destructive to VMX in NSW. However after trying since 2006 to have HEAVEN embrace later year cut-off's with no luck this situation has become unavoidable.
I also hope they correctly incorporate the organisation/club/association under the Department of Fair Trading to protect themselves and families as best possible from legal action this naturally needs a constitution to be registered and followed. Just like every sporting club or none profit organisation in NSW.
RETRO MX INCORPORATED was registered with Fair Trading on November 5. The legal and insurance requirements attached to this are being attended to at the moment.
Cheers
Shaun
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Hi Shaun,
That all sounds good and wish the group all the best. Hopefully we can all work together or at least respect the others objectives to enjoy our old dirt bikes and not work at odds. After all that is what it is all about enjoying the riding.
Greg
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Hi Greg
I have been, and intend to continue to be, a member of HEAVEN for many years and believe me that I have no intention of harming the club. As you say it is all about mutual respect and enjoyment of old bikes. The definition of what constitutes an old bike is really the only point of difference between the two arguments.
As I have said many times in the past my fear is that by having two groups pursuing already small markets that intersect, can only mean that either one or both of the groups will suffer in the long run. In addition to our group of long term participants Retro MX Inc is receiving a groundswell of support from younger, new to the sport, participants. As the earlier classes decline I feel confident that we are currently in the best position to accommodate the next generation of CMX riders.
Cheers
Shaun