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Marque Remarks => British (BSA, Greeves, Triumph etc) => Topic started by: crash n bern on November 02, 2010, 11:21:25 am
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I picked up a Rickman frame for a Zundap 125. It came with tank and seat/tailpiece. The seat has the zipper in it to store your tools in. That's what cinched the deal for me because I got all nostalgic remembering a test I read on the 125 Rickman Zundap ISDT model when I was 12.
Anyway, turning it back into an original Rickman/Zundap is not in my real interest as it would just be easier/cheaper to buy a complete one. So I need to work out my best options for engine and rolling gear. I have searched here and found a few different motors that will fit. I have a TS185 and a Hodaka 100 that I could use as donor bikes but I hate to pull apart a bike to build another and have left over bits.
Best option is probably to fit a DT175 motor as the stock pipe seems to be an easy fit. Not to mention cheap and reliable. But I'm kinda liking the idea of an Ossa motor.
I recently passed up a Rotax 250 motor out of a SWM and of course put the contact number through the wash. But the Rotax motor had a massively wide cylinder that wouldn't look out of place on a 500, and might be a bit to big for the frame.
I have a 76 maico 250 motor in the shed, but that kind of messes up the year models as the frame is 73. Although I don't plan to race it, I would prefer it to be period correct for it to have any value.
I know that with some backyard boilermaking you could pretty much shoehorn anything into it. I would however prefer an easy fit with something that wasn't sardined in there with the tank rubbing on the head etc. So 125 or 175 may be the best option. I've probably answered my own questions but was just wondering if anyone had any feedback.
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I'm accumulating parts to build a similar product. I originally intended to fit a Maico 250 engine and actually mocked it up and found that it'd be a piece of piss swap. However, because of a change in direction driven by the completion of my Cheney RT1, importing of a Hindall framed DT1 and the assembly of parts to eventually build an Antig DT1 dirt track slider, it seems that it's now a no brainer to fit a DT1/RT1 engine to the little Rickman.
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I've seen a number of different engines fitted to the little Rickman frame including Bultaco, Honda SL125, BSA C15, Yamaha 250 and 360 and Maico. The actual cradle is larger than the Rickman Montesa frame which makes it a better swap candidate.
I've been saying that these bikes are the best kept secret in 'special' building. Below are a few shots from my files including the mock up of the square barrel Maico swap.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/b25%20rickman%202%20.jpg)
My mate Ben's C15 BSA powered Rickman he's building for his dad.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/rickman%20Maico%20and%20cheney%20004.jpg)
mock up of the Maico engine in the frame...note specially made Mk3 style bodywork from my mate Ben in the UK.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/maico%20metisse%20011.jpg)
Square barrel mock up
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/duc%20metisse.jpg)
Ducati 250 engine with Norton hydrolastic engine mounts
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/MICRO%20RT1%202.jpg)
RT1 360 Yamaha fitted in OK by the looks.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/rickmanflat.jpg)
Latish water cooled CR125 Honda engine. Frame converted to flat track looks right.
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i think i have forks and tripples for the rickman.need rickman/reh wheel as the forks have a small alloy part that fits into front wheel brake plate
jim
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I've just been given what I believe to be a complete Zundapp metisse (basket case) will pick it up and see next week
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I forgot the blingiest of them all AJs 'Ugly Betty'
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/aj%20cd5.jpg)
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jimglau probably is REH brake plate if has fork groove-used one on my BSA b44 GP
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Thanks for all the pic's Firko. I need a petrol cap for it and they don't look too generic as the locking tab slots are on the outside of the tank hole rather than inside like most other. There's a used one on ebay but they want $30 plus $14 shipping.
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this is what I got given today... Help!!!lol will end up an MX
(http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww283/bmitches/others/RIMG0035.jpg)
(http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww283/bmitches/others/RIMG0036.jpg)
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I like the clutch throw out mod on the RT1 firko! Cheers pancho
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this is what I got given today...
Given?? :o :o 8)
Lucky boy :D
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maybe my luck has changed finally!!
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How I go green with envy every time I see that Rickman SL125..... A treasure!!!!:D
Believe I could just about squeeze a CB500 4 in the one with the Ducati 250... ;) Cheers Tim754
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Sweet little gift Tossa. What engine are you putting in there? If you ever decide to sell it I'd love a shot at it.
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would you believe your the second offer I've had already. I would like to stick another zundapp in it but will wait until i pull everything apart and have a good look at the frame etc. Where did you get the plastics for yours mark. Would like to keep it as a 125, any suggestions. Any donor motors available !!lol
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Well I would like to put a cz250 or ossa 250 motor into mine. I dropped the 76 maico 250 into it and it would fit. I suppose I could fit some later forks and long travel shocks and make a pre 77 Rickman.
Passed up a Betor front end for $80 at Gatton because the top tubes were rusty and because my Bultaco mate rekoned they were pricey. In hindsight I wished I grabbed them.
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You might have trouble with exhaust clearance with the CZ engine being a sideport. My choice engine is a pre 75 Maico, it goes in pretty easily and as a bonus, a Maico swingarm looks like it'd fit pretty easily to give you a couple of extra inches of wheelbase and make back wheel alignment a piece of piss. Pity your motor is a '76.
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If I can't find the bits for the zundapp i was looking at an ossa as well
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Thanks Firko, scratch CZ idea. Might be fighting Tossa over the next Ossa engine. Yes pity about the Maico being 76. I guess half the fun is hunting for all the right parts at the right prices.
Tossa, they're wrecking a few Rickman Zundap's on ebay at the moment.
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yeah there's a heap on in the states. but not allowed to touch it until the new year as we're shifting house soon etc. She who will be obeyed has threatened with the loss of scrotum!! Well she's already got the contents co why not the purse!!!!
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oh bugger, managed to sneak a couple of damn thick manuals into the house:
Rickman 125/250 Motocross, Owners Handbook, Service, Bulletins, and
Rickamns Parts catalogue, for all models 125cc and 250cc from 1970 to 1973, including 125MX & Enduro up to Frame No 9999, & 250MX up to Frame No 7499
Got them from the US, reprints($50.00 incl postage), but really brilliant manuals, got to give it to Don and Derek they knew how to do things, now where's a Zundapp motor, oops better type quietly, not until New Year, she said!!lol
Got them from Bear Sports, but you guys would already know about this place, really impressed with the quality of reprint.
http://www.bear-sports.com/servlet/StoreFront
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Here's a couple of good buys and they're both the vastly improved '74 model.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Rickman-Zundapp-Frame-Swing-Arm-/300491461271?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item45f6afd297#ht_785wt_861 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Rickman-Zundapp-Frame-Swing-Arm-/300491461271?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item45f6afd297#ht_785wt_861)
gi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Rickman-Zundapp-Frame-Swing-Arm-/290498401277?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43a30dd3fd#ht_845wt_861 (http://gi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Rickman-Zundapp-Frame-Swing-Arm-/290498401277?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43a30dd3fd#ht_845wt_861)
and a '72 version
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Rickman-Zundapp-Frame-/300491461089?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item45f6afd1e1#ht_801wt_861 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Rickman-Zundapp-Frame-/300491461089?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item45f6afd1e1#ht_801wt_861)
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nice frames, I've got all the frame and wheels except for the rear brake backing plate, looking around for a motor itself. Chatting to a guy in the states about one at the moment.
Mark you might be able to help me as to where you got your tank and fenders for your micro
Barry
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Barry I presume you mean my Mk 3 style tank and fenders for my little Micro. They're made by a friend of our UK mate Ben Penny.
It's funny how it came about...I was telling Ben that I don't particularly care for the squarish Mk4 style bodywork on the Micro and complaining that I'd bought a complete set of second hand glass to suit a Bultaco 'Petite' Metisse but had found that the tank didn't fit. Ben then informed me that his Dad was building a C15 BSA powered Micro and had wanted Mk3 glass on it as I had so he commissioned a friend to produce the molds. Bt sheer coincidence I'd happened upon the only person in the business making the glass kit ;D. The complete kit costs 250 pounds + delivery and the quality is superb. I'll PM you Bens details.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/metisse%20bodywork.jpg)
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they look absolutely stunning
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This was one of my favorites - Rickman Cub.
(http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae59/CheneySachs/Foster-035.jpg)
(http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae59/CheneySachs/Foster-027.jpg)
(http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae59/CheneySachs/Foster-031.jpg)
(http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae59/CheneySachs/Foster-040.jpg)
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now that is sweet!!!
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beautiful, nothing sick about hanging that from the wall of the master bedroom :o