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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: 211kawasaki on October 19, 2010, 02:02:16 pm
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I just saw 4 guys on Harleys, each had the skull face mask, the same crap helmet, the same jeans and chain out the pocket. They were all on expensive looking bikes and way to be clean to be real bikers but the thing that really got me was the tassels out the handlebars of one of these guys.
Sonny Bargar would have to be amused ( ::) at these guys but I dont get it - whats the attraction.
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it doesn't need to be a harley Dave.
they're doin it with jap bikes too. we've got one at my work.
nice bloke and all but i don't get it either.
must be good coffee in them thar hills............
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I've concluded that a lot of blokes hit middle age and decide that they've been living a lie - but rather than leave their wife and come out of the closet, they prefer to simply dress up like the biker from the Village People and tell themselves that it makes them more masculine (in the hetrosexual way, or so they think).
The contradiction is remarkable.
And, back to the original question... where do we start?
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I blame the EASY RIDER movie and it,s sound track. :)
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ka-poofs, ::)
thats the noise they make when riding into the sunset ;D
Cheers Worms
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yes i am an individual ???
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its also the exhaust pipe - is there a correlation between the loudness and the size of their dicks? Are they compensating for something?
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i think there new genertion "Drug" bikers.
I never got So called heavy metal or Rock bands ? bunch of pansies..... singin high notes with long hair, tight spandex, open shirt revealing skinny little white bodies and there mums scarfes on there head or tied around there thigh ?
i mean really .......... WTF is with that ?
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We're all inderviduals Robin - except of course sould you ride a Harley
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Gary Glitter (now theres a dickhead) WTF was he on?
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next thing you know, we will have them turning up wanting to ride fluro bikes at Vintage meets, do tassels need scrutineering?
cheers worms
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I just saw 4 guys on Harleys, each had the skull face mask, the same crap helmet, the same jeans and chain out the pocket. They were all on expensive looking bikes and way to be clean to be real bikers but the thing that really got me was the tassels out the handlebars of one of these guys.
Sonny Bargar would have to be amused ( ::) at these guys but I dont get it - whats the attraction.
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There is nothing wrong with you Dave.
I don't see why you are worried about 4 like minded souls out cruzin' on their US Iron, they have to get their skinny milk lattes and bruchetta somehow.
And besides don't solicitors and accountants deserve to have a life sometimes, they're individuals to you know. ;)
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I never got So called heavy metal or Rock bands ? bunch of pansies..... singin high notes with long hair, tight spandex, open shirt revealing skinny little white bodies and there mums scarfes on there head or tied around there thigh ?
i mean really .......... WTF is with that ?
Getting laid............ basically............. :D
I could show you a photo of me in the 80's, but I've got a reputation to uphold......... :-X
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There were three long-time dirt-bike riding mates all started riding trials competition at the same time in our club a few years ago, and they had a system guaranteed to make sure they did their trials practice between comps.
Whoever of the three came last of the three at a trial had to ride the next trial with bright red handlebar tassles fitted. One thing for sure it guaranteed that they were noticed.
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Hang on - let me be first to take the piss
Don't all trials bikes come with handlebar tassles?
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I blame the EASY RIDER movie and it,s sound track.
Aww...that's a bit tough :'(. I like the movie and the soundtrack. I also like Choppers and bobbers but it's the dickwipes that usually ride 'em that make me laugh. They try so hard to look different from us "square heads" that they all look identical. Even worse are the superannuated ex accountants who've traded the beige Camry on a new Harley Fat boy, got a Harley Davidson Tattoo and an ear ring and joined Ulysses and think they're Rebels without a Cause!
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I could show you a photo of me in the 80's, but I've got a reputation to uphold......... :-X
Come on Tony ... You know you want to show us ;) ;D ;D
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I like south parks take on this.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7hQN4Amaeg
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Gold cyclegod, absolute gold.
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think they're Rebels without a Cause!
Rebels without a Clue, more like it.
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Gary Glitter (now theres a dickhead) WTF was he on?
A little boy?
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Gary Glitter once said that what he hated most about his hobby was that he had to be in bed by 8.
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the reason they have tassles on handle bars ,jackets etc is to keep the flies off well you dont go very fast do you? and does any one know the difference between a cattle dog and a harley...?
a cattle dog can get in the back of the ute all by itself ;D
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Come on Tony ... You know you want to show us ;) ;D ;D
Go on, have a giggle............... ::)
At least it proves I did have hair.......... once............. :(
(http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr37/Tony_T12/Hair1.jpg)
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Q: Why can't a Harley exceed 55mph?
A: At any speed over 55 mph the tassles on the ends of the handlebars beat the rider to death.
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Is that you Tony...or Gary Glitter with a wig on? ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Don`t forget the rear wheel is the size of an F1 race car, saw one today taking a sweeping corner at 50 K`s, l think he was worried about fulling off.
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Is that you Tony...or Gary Glitter with a wig on? ;D ;D ;D ;D
Jeez, what was I thinking??? ::) What a tosser............ :D
But the girls liked it........... ;)
Seeing as I've emabarrassed myself, I call upon all you lot to do the same!! ;D
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I was thinking more Def Lapard or Van Halen ;D ;D
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Whats wrong with you is between the jizz gargling fairies at your local HOG chapter, pedophiles on Japanese choppers and your latest issue of Live to Bro you have got it badly wrong.
Away from the tassles and the episodes of Paul Snr versus Jnr, there is a Harley race heritage that exceeds any other bike on the planet. Harley for me is about twins that can really post some numbers and may even go around corners.
Though I must admit when I pull up at the lights on my big twin bike and my snow ho on the back I feel like a god and you can all derelict my balls.
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/DSC_4229.jpg)
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At least you havent got the yellow thing happening on that one Marc.
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At least you havent got the yellow thing happening on that one Marc.
nah that was the last Girl friend mate, she had the body of Hawaiian bikini contest winner but came with a lot of issues ::)
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under construction
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/IMG_3471.jpg)
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Though I must admit when I pull up at the lights on my big twin bike and my snow ho on the back I feel like a god
Yeah well, in the land of the rising sun you're probably the size of a lesser diety 8) ('cept for those funny wrestler fellows).
I'm (we're?) not anti Harley, just anti half the pratts that ride them. A couple of years ago a bunch of us were having a "serious" discussion (earnest is any conversation after 8 beers each, serious is a conversation after 12 or more beers each). Among us were several ex South African enduro champions and one mentioned he had just bought a Harley. You could have heard a pin drop. The derision that followed was hilarious but eventually he got his point across. That point was that as competitive motorcyclists we see motorcycles as an extension of our competitive drive and if we were to buy an R1 or equivalent we'd be dead within weeks. A Harley invites you to sit back and enjoy the ride. I've not dissed a Harley since.
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A Harley invites you to sit back and enjoy the ride. I've not dissed a Harley since.
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don't worry I have a healthy loathing for the posers as well. I bought my first Harley for the reason that i wanted a bike that was less disposable and I could build a relationship with, my Harley did me proud and out lasted 3 different women ;D. Only reason I swapped bikes is my wife didn't like being the 4th ass on that seat ::)
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Only reason I swapped bikes is my wife didn't like being the 4th ass on that seat ::)
Change the seat not the bike you wally ;D
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So Harley fans, do I stay with the Z bars or go apes again. BTW bike is 106 with big valve ported heads and very scientific combination of squish and compression. Flat bars seemed prudent for holding on to it. :o
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That seat might interfere with the crotchless chaps bro :P
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Fat 'T' bars, 6" rise.
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.... there is a Harley race heritage that exceeds any other bike on the planet. Harley for me is about twins that can really post some numbers and may even go around corners.
When? If they made a good bike in 1923, then great - doesn't really give their 2010 offerings any credibility.
My mate's grandfather used to do stuff like fit Norton heads onto Harley bottom ends (and jam them into open wheel racing cars). Even when he was doing this in the 1960s, he reckoned the only benefit the Harley engines offered was swept volume... Everyone else has move further than HD in the last 50 years - and not many of them began with something as technically flawed as a 60* V-twin.
If you think that they're cool, then great.
And I'll agree with you, if you talk about how good their pre-war and immediately post-war offerings were, by the standards of the day.
But a performance Harley by 2010 standards, is polishing a turd.
Buell made some cool & fast bikes for sure, but they were mostly impressive thanks to the techniques used to get those turds shining. The fact that there is no longer a Buell motorcycles says a lot, GFC or no.
More SouthPark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ5w-IwEHO8&feature=related
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I get the attraction of some non bike guys now wanting to recapture their lost 'tough youth' by buying the biggest loudest bike they can find, but what is the attraction of the stupid Skull mask.
Are they trying to look like Jim Carrey (Mask..the movie)??? They really look pretty lame to me.
I'd guess the real old school bikie brothers would be cringing to think that these guys are all on the same bikes that they used to think were badass..... now unfortunately they are as common as a Honda postie bike.
(Probably because they're reliable now)
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I'm (we're?) not anti Harley, just anti half the pratts that ride them
That covers it for me. Why does performance have to be the criteria for every bike we want to own? Sure Harleys are a bit prehistoric but they've got a shitload more personality than a truck full of R1s. If you don't feel that, you'll probably never own one. If you do, you've probably already got one.
(I personally don't feel that attraction but I fully understand why others do.)
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Oh yes Firko, I am not asking everyone to slip on their crotchless chaps and buy theme bikes. You are right Buell built some fast bikes up until today and they are still around as Eric Buells racing concern.
Just don't omit the experience from your list of things to do. Harleys are like VMX bikes, you can always blame the bike. ::)
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this is what my Harley fantasies look like. The only thing that I reckon is worse than the born again HOG bikers fagging about with their bandannas on is when one of their old scrubbers tries to get in on the act and some clown buys her a bike.... so there you go my hate is wimmin on Harleys unless they are out back or chained to them.
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/ga_cl_03.jpg)
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this is what my Harley fantasies look like. The only thing that I reckon is worse than the born again HOG bikers fagging about with their bandannas on is when one of their old scrubbers tries to get in on the act and some clown buys her a bike.... so there you go my hate is wimmin on Harleys unless they are out back or chained to them.
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/ga_cl_03.jpg)
So Marc, are you are saying that your wife will be fine with this '5th Ass' on the seat of your Harley?
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My my wife is 55kgs and scares me much more than any man ..... so no I am happy with the snow ho ;)
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Skull masks,same hair cuts,same,"outfits"We used [and still do] call these people.'faggots'.A.p.r
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Skull masks,same hair cuts,same,"outfits"We used [and still do] call these people.'faggots'.A.p.r
ha ha dare you to call this guy a homo and you would be doing pretty well to out ride him, he definitely was running mid pack
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/IMG_0518.jpg)
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Anyone seen "Wild Hogs"?
Mid life crisis shit with anything sure is a funny thing but there is a serious side to it all with a shitload of new arrivals to riding bikes getting creamed apparently as they think that all they are doing is 'leaning' their SS Bombadore into a reducing radius corner on the Putty Rd only to find road-bikes, especially cruisers with shit ground clearance are a different ball game and end up meeting the Armco.
A mate of mine who I've ridden with for ages in the bush has just bought a big Jap cruiser and I'm really worried about him too - he's in his fifties now and has NEVER ridden tar so we're just hoping his dirt skills keep him out of trouble. Only thing is now he's on the tarmac he's got all the deadshits in cars and the diesel spills etc that we don't get in the bush trying to take him out!
As for Harleys? Not my cup of tea and reckon they are an anachronism but who am I to talk with a bunch of old Ducati bevel heads, lol!
So long as we're all enjoying life above the ground rather than rotting six foot under it !!!
Dave Mac ;)
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I have a Suzuki M109R 1800cc cruiser with a 260 tyre on the back. Nothing better than cruising the beaches of Perth except the feral photographer made me buy blue tooth intercom for the helmets, she used to just head butt me when i was looking the wrong way, but now she talks to me. Some times I'm so happy working shiftwork and can ride by myself!!aaahhh!!
I am sick or what, When I get out enjoying a good ride (on the bike) i start singing to myself as the road rolls by
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As for Harleys? Not my cup of tea and reckon they are an anachronism but who am I to talk with a bunch of old Ducati bevel heads, lol!
Dave Mac ;)
Yep the Taglioni time bombs, your a sucker for punishment Dave. But in saying that Hailwood winning at the IOM still moves me to tears.... the bevel bikes finest moment
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As for Harleys? Not my cup of tea and reckon they are an anachronism but who am I to talk with a bunch of old Ducati bevel heads, lol!
Dave Mac ;)
Yep the Taglioni time bombs, your a sucker for punishment Dave. But in saying that Hailwood winning at the IOM still moves me to tears.... the bevel bikes finest moment
Bevel = great idea poorly executed.
Harley = bad idea poorly executed.
Like I said before, if you want to talk about the 'soul' or 'vibe' of a Harley, then go right ahead - but please don't confuse them with good engineering or even better than the bare minimum of workmanship.
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I've got to admit that every now and again a Harley comes along that I'd have in my shed in a nanosecond. Marcs street tracker does it for me as does my old mate Vegas Bobs Trackmaster street tracker.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/marc%20harley.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/CIMG4245.jpg)
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but please don't confuse them with good engineering or even better than the bare minimum of workmanship.
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Hmmm rode my last Harley 7 years with the only maintenence being oil and fluid changes, it was looked after and still looked like new the day I sold it, no chrome lifted, no paint bubbled, no oil burn't.
I find most of the knockers have never been near one.
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Like I said before, if you want to talk about the 'soul' or 'vibe' of a Harley, then go right ahead - but please don't confuse them with good engineering or even better than the bare minimum of workmanship.
With respect, I find that a bit funny, coming from a bloke who's into Volvos ;D.
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I love the Volvos for exactly the same reason I have no love for Harleys.
I like (the idea of) Buells for exactly the same reason I think 911s are cool - the triumph of smart engineering over a fundamentally flawed concept.
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OK..I'll bite, What's the flawed concept in a Harley? I have a passion for V12 Jaguars so I know what it's like to own something that others think is flawed so don't take the Volvo crack as a shot.
My point is that everything in life has some inherent flaw....Maico clutches,TM400 handling, Ducati over complication and even Volvo beigeness can be construed by some people as being flaws but those inherent flaws are often accompanied by many good points that we overlook because we focus on the negative.
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This does it for me:
(http://www.raptorsandrockets.com/images/Harley-Davidson/2008_Harley_XR1200-side-onR.jpg)
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even Volvo beigeness can be construed by some people as being flaws
Hah hah now the dirty laundry comes out... a firkin Volvo, the Swedish Falcon, now lets enjoy Volvas automatic braking system as an example of functionality .....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_83efj9Xdg&feature=related
Im with Tim, XR1200 is far cooler especially with the Storz kit added
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/XR1200parts1_L.jpg)
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OK..I'll bite, What's the flawed concept in a Harley?
A 60* V twin has crap balance (both primary and secondary), and the forked con rod is an engineering atrocity.
Both of these 'features' limit engine revs, hence why big capacity is so sought after when chasing performance from one.
The stubborn persistance in using 2 valve heads also limits power.
Now, I fully understand why HD has persisted with these - they're part of the HD trademark/history, and do I respect that.
But they're all done contary to remotely modern thinking and the relative performance is modest, so I find it very difficult to be enthused by them on a technical front - and even more difficult to ignore comments about their rich racing history.
I can't speak in detail about the recent factory offerings, but having seen inside a 90s Electraglide motor, I can honestly say that a Hyundai of the same age is far better built - even most of the nasty Chinese pit bike rubbish is better than the HD stuff.
Similarly, a mate is helping to build a chopper for a mate of his. While it is all superficially very pretty and most of it very well made, none of the motor stuff has impressed me at all - from a performance point of view its very much as a case of "If I wanted to go there, I sure wouldn't start from here". The best the aftermarket can hope for is a shiny turd.
So, from my point of view, the bikes aren't something I have any interest in riding, nor do they deserve any respect from a technical point of view.
The Buells do interest me, but everytime I look at one, I keep thinking "Imagine what he could have built if he hadn't handicapped himself by sticking with such a flawed base"... Again, its like a Porsche 911 - putting the engine in a stupid spot but still making the product work well is very impressive - but it doesn't mean that the engine isn't in a stupid spot!
I understand that other people have different priorities in what they want from a bike, and I understand that a Harley does suit a lot of people. But please don't try to list technical brilliance as one of their attributes, because it isn't.
And I also appreciate HD living outside the japanese main-stay of longitutinal, 16V I4 motors - I'm definitely not an advocate of generic bikes.
A 240 Volvo, on the other hand, is an extremely well built, durable family car, and doesn't pretend to be anything more or less. They missed most of the market by not being built cheaply enough, but that's because they're the last of the non-disposable cars for the non-mega-wealthy* and they actually work far, far better than most people give them credit for.
And when you work on one, everything makes sense - even the things that irritate are clearly done for a reason. While they might not bristle with engineering 'features' they were designed very well and built right, and that pushes my buttons. Technically and dynamically speaking, they are entirely defensible.
*Yes, a 1980 240 was more expensive and slower than a 1980 Commodore from new. But - given equal treatment from new - by 1990 there's zero doubt that the 1980 Volvo was a better car than the VC Commdore, and the gap has only widened since then. While fashion and the desire for something new means that many families would update regardless, over a 20 year life span, the Volvo would have cost the typical owner much less.
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let me see ,we are currently working on a 07 fxd shitcrate- it has done a stator.you would think a nice easy job.we have taken the primary cover and other bits and pieces just got to get the rotor off hmm can get it so far and then it stops hmm some shitty casting may be stopping it maybe if we grind it off the rotor will come off,hang on i check with a mate of mine who is a foul tempered prick -could be from working on harlys all day .so i explained my problem no he said you have to take the clutch and inner primary cover off as well.in harlys wisdom they fixed having to do this around 1990 but have recently changed back wtf.every time i relent and work on one of these bags of shit i regret it tho if stupid enough to own and not fix it yourself invoice time is excellent-punishment for owning one ;D
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thats just one of their flawed concepts firko
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thats just one of their flawed concepts firko
Yep and every other motorcycle just falls apart in your hands, plus piece of piss to pull the primary, you should be offering s discount for not having to set the valve adjustment or change any belts. You would probably better sticking to ag bikes and quads ::).
You can't really lump Harleys together due to long production runs of more than a decade on engine series and development during that time, some are steps forward and some are back. But the weaknesses are well documented and generally fixed by the MoCo at some point. The current second generation twin cam really doesn't have many issues, you will have more reliability problems with the bike alarm than the 96 engine.
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i check with a mate of mine who is a foul tempered prick -could be from working on harlys all day
could also be from getting soap up his nob at a gay sauna
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well he is a pommie so it cant be the soap
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How to ride a Harley without needing to fight off derisory comments by anal VMX guys. Buy one of these (yum..):
(http://www.rizoma.com/img/Prodotti/Moto/Yamaha_mt01.jpg)
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that i dont mind
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How to ride a Harley without needing to fight off derisory comments by anal VMX guys. Buy one of these (yum..):
(http://www.rizoma.com/img/Prodotti/Moto/Yamaha_mt01.jpg)
What kind of muffler is that? A "Bum-trumpet"
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I assume you have seen one in the flesh ..... the Japanese chopper thing I liked was the Honda Rune, it made no pretensions about what it was because nobody freaking knew.
Don't worry about the anal VMX guys, unless they go for the DP most of them wouldn't even make you break a sweat ;)
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I assume you have seen one in the flesh
Ooh yeah. And heard one!
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Geez you blokes I can't beleive your trying to cover up the short comings of Harley's by starting the old rubbish a Volvo crap. If you have been in a car crash and survived you more than likely can thank Volvo designs for the safety features that are in every car on the road ;D
eg: Volvo Safety Achievements Year by Year
* 1944 Safety cage
* 1944 Laminated windscreen
* 1959 Three-point safety belts in the front as standard
* 1960 Padded instrument panel
* 1964 Prototype of the first rear-facing child seat is tested in a Volvo
* 1966 Twin-circuit triangular (three-wheel) backup braking system
* 1966 Crumple zones
* 1967 Seat belts in the rear
* 1968 Head restraints front
* 1969 Three-point inertia-reel safety belts in the front
* 1972 Three-point safety belts in the rear
* 1972 Rear-facing child seat and child-proof door locks
* 1972 Volvo Experimental Safety Car (VESC)
* 1973 Energy-absorbing steering column
* 1974 Energy-absorbing bumpers
* 1974 Petrol tank relocated for enhanced safety
* 1978 Child booster cushion for children
* 1982 Under-run protection
* 1982 Door mirrors of wide-angle type
* 1984 ABS, anti-locking brakes
* 1986 Brake lights at eye level
* 1986 Three-point safety belt in the middle of the rear seat
* 1987 Safety belt pre-tensioner
* 1987 Driver's airbag
* 1990 Integrated booster cushion for children
* 1991 SIPS, side impact collision protection
* 1991 Automatic height adjustment of front safety belts
* 1993 Three-point inertia-reel safety belt in all seats
* 1994 SIPS, side-impact airbags
* 1997 ROPS, Roll-Over Protection System convertible (C70)
* 1998 WHIPS, protection against whiplash injuries
* 1998 IC, inflatable curtain,
* 1998 DSTC, Dynamic Stability and Traction Control
* 2000 Volvo Cars Safety Centre inaugurated in Göteborg on 29 March
* 2000 ISOFIX attachments for child seats
* 2000 Two-stage airbag
* 2000 Volvo On Call safety system
* 2001 Volvo Safety Concept Car (SCC)
* 2002 RSC, Roll Stability Control
* 2002 ROPS, Roll-Over Protection System SUV (XC90)
* 2002 Lower cross-member at the front - protection system for oncoming cars
* 2002 Development of virtual "pregnant" crash-test dummy
* 2003 PACOS - Passenger Airbag Cut-Off Switch
* 2003 IDIS, intelligent system for driver information
* 2003 Patented new structure at the front reduces collision forces
* 2003 Bangkok's Traffic Accident Research Centre (TARC) is inaugurated
* 2004 BLIS, system for information about the offset rear blind spot
* 2004 DMIC, door-mounted side airbag for convertibles
* 2005 Presentation of Volvo's co-driver system
* 2005 Multi Lock, combined alcolock and lock for the safety belt and key for speed restriction (research project)
* 2006 ACC, Adaptive Cruise Control
* 2006 Personal Car Communicator (PCC)
* 2006 Collision warning with brake support
* 2006 Active Bending Lights (ABL)
* 2007 Integrated two-stage child booster cushion
* 2007 CWAB, Collision Warning with Auto Brake
* 2007 Driver Alert Control
* 2007 Lane Departure Warning
* 2008 Alcoguard
* 2008 Pre-Prepared Restraints
* 2008 City Safety, low speed collision avoidance
* 2009 Adaptive Cruise control with queue assist
* 2009 Collision Warning with full auto-brake and pedestrian detection
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Hook, line and sinker Firko. Good job ;D
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I can sympathise withe you Shoreline, they are horrible things to work on. The electrics on the old Sportys and shovels are s&%t. Ive lost count on how many reg/rects, stators, generator armatures, starter solenoids and starter moters ive replaced. I wont bore you with my full nighmare of removing the sleeve nut on the crank for the primary drive shockabsorber. Far out :o 2 days later....Ok so who thought it was a smart idea to use the stongest damn Loctite to permanantly attach that nut! ::) >:( So a relatively simple job of fixing oil leaks turns into a mammoth task. Moral of story never use Loctite on this nut otherwise you or the mechanic who wants to remove it is going to have a hard time thats for sure. The same Harley comming next week to have new fork seals and shocks put on it so fingers crossed all goes well this time.
I reckon they are only good for highway touring thats about it. Ive seen the latest all black Sporty and they dont seem too bad, sort of have the classic look. in the end moat people want them as a 'image' thing but if i had a choice i would choose a japanese cruiser 'copy' anyday which are a far better designed and built bike in my opinion.
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* 2003 Bangkok's Traffic Accident Research Centre (TARC) is inaugurated
Huh?
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The same Harley comming next week to have new fork seals and shocks put on it so fingers crossed all goes well this time.
I don't know fork seal and fitting shocks, you shouldn't be able to cock it up too badly ::)
Anyways working on the old shitters of any brand is never a joy. But you get to do it because the Stealerships show the shovel and old sporties the door quick smart.
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I dont care how you paint the picture Tokyo Joe.I still reckon its your mid life crisis driving this love of American Iron.
Come back to the dark side Luke,and the joys of Montesa's...and all things homosexual.....
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I dont care how you paint the picture Tokyo Joe.I still reckon its your mid life crisis driving this love of American Iron.
Mate give it time for your midlife to arrive, you will experience a chemical change that will compel you to buy a Z4 BMW ragtop, in your case a toopee and knock around with the neighbours daughter. ;D
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And when you go to buy a jap copy of a harley it will be a lot cheaper than the original, because they dont keep their resale value like the harley does. And it wont matter either that most of them look like (a pack of old queens in drag) at least they are technically better designed. But there will still be heaps of wankers and fags who will still ride their harleys and heaps of bad drivers wearing hats who will keep driving their swedish taxis and they will all still love them even if you dont.
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And when you go to buy a jap copy of a harley it will be a lot cheaper
I would rather pay the Harley price and get the oats before they went through the horse.
The problem in a Jap custom is people will always know you pussed out at writing the cheque.... no matter how much they sugar coat it people who buy chap hogs all know in their heart they f*&ked up and generally end up buying the real deal.
But by all means if you are comfortable with an Intruder between your legs.
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eez you blokes I can't beleive your trying to cover up the short comings of Harley's by starting the old rubbish a Volvo crap.
Yep great cars, no argument from me, they led the industry in a lot of things but they're sooooo damn boring. I've owned three, a classic PV444, 122 and a 245 wagon and as honest and reliable as they were, they were ordinary cars to drive. Sort of a Scandinavian beige Camry. ;D
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eez you blokes I can't beleive your trying to cover up the short comings of Harley's by starting the old rubbish a Volvo crap.
Sort of a Scandinavian beige Camry. ;D
Thats it Firko tell it like it is. When i think Volvos I think Lessos and Dogs and 'Baby on Board' decals. Nobody with the right amount of testosterone would ever set foot in one.
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hmm one car is Swedish and was total disaster for Ford .... and another car was top seller,
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gues you can improve the Vulva a bit
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Marc , but by all means if you are comfortable with an Intruder between your legs ;D ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsSTwuOKRKI&p=36FA0B2E7AD3D8F4&playnext=1&index=27
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...they were ordinary cars to drive.
Either you shouldn't have had auto ones, or you were driving them wrong. Maybe the 122's were destroyed by the US emissions laws?
Even the 'Camrys before there were Camrys' 240s are actually brilliant handling cars in stock form. The "problem" is that they kinda use the French method of handling - keep the wheels on the ground no matter what, even if it means heaps of bodyroll. This does not fit with the simplistic Australian stereotype of "feels like a gokart - must handle well hey!" ( ::) x10000), but nor does it mean that they handle badly...
http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=172878&highlight=240+inspiration
Imagine doing this in a stock HZ or LH... And then try to imagine doing it without dying...
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No1 Harleys are a bit agricultural.
2 volvos were beaten by others on a number of there 'inventions. i.e. '38 ford laminated glass.
the 'v' twin is very little wider and not as tall as a single of HALF the capacity.
Because the pistons do not come to rest similtaneously at the end of each stroke [as in a twin], the flywheel weight for equivalent smoothness need not exceed that necessary for a single half the size.
The v twin will provide a greater capacity in less bulk and less weight than ANY other arrangement. Any one who looks into various engine layouts will soon discover that all the different layouts have various advantages. Some big advantages.
If I wanted a powerful road machine [i don't] i'd go for the Harley I cant remember what its called that one pictured that has the Porsche heads cheers pancho.
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Pancho ....V rod
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Geez you blokes I can't beleive your trying to cover up the short comings of Harley's by starting the old rubbish a Volvo crap. If you have been in a car crash and survived you more than likely can thank Volvo designs for the safety features that are in every car on the road ;D
eg: Volvo Safety Achievements Year by Year
* 1944 Safety cage
* 1944 Laminated windscreen
* 1959 Three-point safety belts in the front as standard
* 1960 Padded instrument panel
* 1964 Prototype of the first rear-facing child seat is tested in a Volvo
* 1966 Twin-circuit triangular (three-wheel) backup braking system
* 1966 Crumple zones
* 1967 Seat belts in the rear
* 1968 Head restraints front
* 1969 Three-point inertia-reel safety belts in the front
* 1972 Three-point safety belts in the rear
* 1972 Rear-facing child seat and child-proof door locks
* 1972 Volvo Experimental Safety Car (VESC)
* 1973 Energy-absorbing steering column
* 1974 Energy-absorbing bumpers
* 1974 Petrol tank relocated for enhanced safety
* 1978 Child booster cushion for children
* 1982 Under-run protection
* 1982 Door mirrors of wide-angle type
* 1984 ABS, anti-locking brakes
* 1986 Brake lights at eye level
* 1986 Three-point safety belt in the middle of the rear seat
* 1987 Safety belt pre-tensioner
* 1987 Driver's airbag
* 1990 Integrated booster cushion for children
* 1991 SIPS, side impact collision protection
* 1991 Automatic height adjustment of front safety belts
* 1993 Three-point inertia-reel safety belt in all seats
* 1994 SIPS, side-impact airbags
* 1997 ROPS, Roll-Over Protection System convertible (C70)
* 1998 WHIPS, protection against whiplash injuries
* 1998 IC, inflatable curtain,
* 1998 DSTC, Dynamic Stability and Traction Control
* 2000 Volvo Cars Safety Centre inaugurated in Göteborg on 29 March
* 2000 ISOFIX attachments for child seats
* 2000 Two-stage airbag
* 2000 Volvo On Call safety system
* 2001 Volvo Safety Concept Car (SCC)
* 2002 RSC, Roll Stability Control
* 2002 ROPS, Roll-Over Protection System SUV (XC90)
* 2002 Lower cross-member at the front - protection system for oncoming cars
* 2002 Development of virtual "pregnant" crash-test dummy
* 2003 PACOS - Passenger Airbag Cut-Off Switch
* 2003 IDIS, intelligent system for driver information
* 2003 Patented new structure at the front reduces collision forces
* 2003 Bangkok's Traffic Accident Research Centre (TARC) is inaugurated
* 2004 BLIS, system for information about the offset rear blind spot
* 2004 DMIC, door-mounted side airbag for convertibles
* 2005 Presentation of Volvo's co-driver system
* 2005 Multi Lock, combined alcolock and lock for the safety belt and key for speed restriction (research project)
* 2006 ACC, Adaptive Cruise Control
* 2006 Personal Car Communicator (PCC)
* 2006 Collision warning with brake support
* 2006 Active Bending Lights (ABL)
* 2007 Integrated two-stage child booster cushion
* 2007 CWAB, Collision Warning with Auto Brake
* 2007 Driver Alert Control
* 2007 Lane Departure Warning
* 2008 Alcoguard
* 2008 Pre-Prepared Restraints
* 2008 City Safety, low speed collision avoidance
* 2009 Adaptive Cruise control with queue assist
* 2009 Collision Warning with full auto-brake and pedestrian detection
you forgot the.....
* 1975 automatic stopping a green light with a NO RIGHT TURN sign assist
* 1976 I can stop anywhere especialy in a clearway switch
* 1977 must do 10kmph LOWER than the speed limit over-ride
* 1978 auto emergency brake at red light 500m away sensor
* 1979 auto 'hog the right hand lane' at 10kmph below the legal limit over-ride
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* 1981 bowlers hat added to rear parcel shelf
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I recall a silver turbo Volvo back in the 80's making a lot of V8 hoons look pretty lame. A sleeper, yet VERY quick car.
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I recall a silver turbo Volvo back in the 80's making a lot of V8 hoons look pretty lame. A sleeper, yet VERY quick car.
Yes I got watch it win the down town street race in Wellington.... best use they ever found for that city./
If I wanted a powerful road machine [i don't] i'd go for the Harley I cant remember what its called that one pictured that has the Porsche heads cheers pancho.
You mean the metric cruiser that Harley owners don't acknowledge.
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Marc , but by all means if you are comfortable with an Intruder between your legs ;D ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsSTwuOKRKI&p=36FA0B2E7AD3D8F4&playnext=1&index=27
that clip cracks me up :D
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Marc , but by all means if you are comfortable with an Intruder between your legs ;D ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsSTwuOKRKI&p=36FA0B2E7AD3D8F4&playnext=1&index=27
that clip cracks me up :D
:D :D what a turtle head :D
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Used to ride with Taiwanese Harley club when I was in Taiwan, introduced them to the Mikuni HSR, the also were the most real and didn't take themselves too seriously....oh and they had VERY good strippers at their BBQs
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Either you shouldn't have had auto ones, or you were driving them wrong. Maybe the 122's were destroyed by the US emissions laws?
The old PV Volvo was as slow as buggery but I must reluctantly admit I had more fun with that old car than many before or since just because of the funky factor. It had a permanently open sun roof..rain hail or shine and had copped a rear end shunt at some time in its life that caused it to crab down the road. The 122 didn't have much pollution gear, just the 70's era carbon canister type stuff. It was a 4 speed manual and still as slow as a snail. The 245 was an auto and a positive drudge to drive. The redeeming thing being that once you managed to wind it up to cruise speed it handled pretty well. I also fondly remembered Robbie Francevichs Volvo turbo and it was certainly a fun beast to watch but wondered at the time just how much turbo boost they were running on the poor old thing. It did have an inappropriate number of DNFs.
Now.........I took the piss at Nathans beloved Volvo mainly as a tongue in cheek example of showing that all of us have our automotive and motorcycling fancies that others find hard to understand. I agree that Harleys are agricultural, Volvos are 'ordinary', Jags are fragile but we all choose to overlook those perceived faults because there's something about that particular vehicle that ticks our boxes. All of Marcs praising of Harleys hasn't convinced me that I should have one but I have to admire his love of the marque and can't help but like his project hogs. It's the same with Nathans Volvos, having once been a part of Team Volvo I really don't want to go there again but I admire Nathan ability to see something in them that I don't. It's the same with my Jags and oddball dirt bikes. I couldn't give a rats arse what people think of Jags....trust me I've heard all of those "I know a bloke" horror stories and they have no impact whatsoever on my love of them. It's the same with my bikes, I do what makes me feel good, I couldn't care one iota if it doesn't fit into anyone elses idea of what a vintage bike should be.
That's why I truly hate those threads that go along the lines of "Billy Bobs Honda's a shitbox, he needs to get decent Suzuki" or the theme that Harleys are crap that's evolving in this thread.
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The old Volvo owner was as slow as buggery and had copped a rear end shunt at some time
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yep nothing slower than good Volvo buggery ;D
Yeah my view of Harleys is something to wrestle round corners like a bucking bull at a Tex Mex restaurant and generally shag about on. I have had some great rides in Japan, Taiwan, Swiss the States, NZ, Aussie, yeah you could have done it on an R1, but you probably wouldn't remember the drama of it all as much/
One Classic bike Magazine summed my experience up the best.... think of the best most powerful Norton you have ever ridden and double it.
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still if you can bring Harley and Norton together, any bike put together with love shows
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlxIVtph1sY
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I also fondly remembered Robbie Francevichs Volvo turbo and it was certainly a fun beast to watch but wondered at the time just how much turbo boost they were running on the poor old thing. It did have an inappropriate number of DNFs.
I was referring to a street 240T - but as Group A they ran circa 23PSI and 345HP @ 6500.
The '86 240RXT was pushing 375HP I believe.
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Arguing Volvo Vs Harley? this thread is hilairious ;D
Anyway, the story goes that when Francevics Volvo kept blowing up, Volvo finally sent out a Factory tech to sort it out. When they lifted the bonnett the techs first question was "where have you mounted the intercooler".........the answer "the intercooler??" ;D (remembering it was early days for turbo tourers in OZ) it went a lot better and was more reliable from then on....
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Having road tested a lot of cars for 'pink slip' inspections I soon realised that a lot of local rev-heads and other non experts had decided that Volvos, Audies, Mercs etc were gutless was based on the fact that when you first plant the foot on the pedal on the right there is no sledge hammer in the back like you get from a good old VN. On a commodore at the lights if you hit it hard instant smokie is the result,where as the cars from civilised countries have designed things so you don't get loss of traction but still can get quite impressive acceleration. A fine example of this is the older model turbo Volvo, where if you plant the foot it seems not a lot happens, then after a few seconds if you haven't backed off a bit you suddenly notice your eyes bulge as the first cross street comes up!
Of course my feeling is if you want to by a car that doesn't cost $1000's for each service and doesn't cost another$1000 first rego check out of warranty 'cause the brake warning light doesn't work, or your Volvo wiring system[possibly the worst ever] has developed problems that one should only find in a Range rover, BUY A COMMODORE. NO not one of those continental sh#t boxes with Holden badges. For some of the above reasons I can see why Harley owners are happy is because if one wants to keep riding a 20 year old road bike one can get parts and fix it.Try doing that with a honda. cheers pancho
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Pure magic. Logic has no place in this discussion…
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Dave theres nothing rong with you, Nice RN couple suspect green bikes but you did discover Vodka makes best magarootas!!!
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Pure magic. Logic has no place in this discussion…
"Pure magic. Logic has no place in this discussion…" ;D +1
Mmmmmm, yummy 8).
(What's the motor - the 'new' Bonny with alterations to the left hand side?
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Yep new Bonnie motor, its not a Harley but very tasty and wouldn't break the bank to build.
See thats the beauty of a Harley, road racing, dirt riding, touring, you can virtually do it all on one bike.
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Marc beat me to it....that's indeed a new Bonnie engine in a 70's period Trackmaster frame. I'm using the same frame, tank and a similar tail section in my current Benelli project so this is a good indication of how it should look....barring a diferent colour scheme and my using mag wheels, ironically the very same magnesium Morris items shown on the accompanying XR1000 .
As far as Turbo Volvos go, ask Billy Forsyth what he thinks of them. Until he blew his up for the second time and was presented with a National Debt style bill, he thought they were the best thing on the road. Now he drives a Suzuki Swift and reckons it runs rings around the old Swedish barge. He ended up giving the Volvo away.
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As far as Turbo Volvos go, ask Billy Forsyth what he thinks of them. Until he blew his up for the second time and was presented with a National Debt style bill, he thought they were the best thing on the road. Now he drives a Suzuki Swift and reckons it runs rings around the old Swedish barge. He ended up giving the Volvo away.
Doing it wrong!
400,000kms++ is normal from a motor, even the B230FTs which are the most fragile.
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I'm using the same frame, tank and a similar tail section in my current Benelli project so this is a good indication of how it should look....
well the use of Benelli engine is certainly unique.... Tornado or Sei. ?
Yeah the modern Triumph motor has a heap of uses yet to be discovered, I am thinking Vetter Digger frame chopper.....
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Tornado 650 Marc....A Sei might just be a bit of overkill in a dirt tracker ;D.
Doing it wrong!
........I don't know what Bill would do wrong Nathan, he's been around cars and bikes forever as you well know and he'd owned Volvos for decades. If you'd ever been in a car with him you'd also realise the only thing missing was the bowls set in the back and the hat. He's a really conservative motorist...... Anyway, It's not that it blew up that was the main problem...the repair bill is what killed it, and Bill was calling in the old mate network from within the motorsports community and still couldn't bring in a decent estimate. That car really broke his heart, he truly wanted to remain loyal to Volvo but that piece of shit wouldn't let him.
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That car really broke his heart,
Yeah so there Nathan, plus nobody tatoos Volvo on their arm, but you might like to be the first to try ;D
Imagine walking into Miami ink and asking for Volvo in the middle of a broken heart, Kat would laugh her ass off.
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Umm what's wrong with me then...I love driving my 1978 HZ 202ci pushrod 6 cylinder 4 speed manual, commercial Holden One Tonner flat bed ............. ??? Harleys?any 750cc C class flattracker no problems!!!! Eric Buells gorgeous take on them Yes!! Most of the others yeah... well.... and as for the skull mask persons ::) Volvos? love them iced with my coffee! Tim754
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I love driving my 1978 HZ 202ci pushrod 6 cylinder 4 speed manual, commercial Holden One Tonner flat bed
And so you should Tim. Every Aussie should experience the exhilaration of driving a Holden one tonner at speed in the wet. Real bloke stuff ;). I had a 253 4sp HQ 1 tonner that was the literally best bike hauler I ever had. I buggered it fitting a 454 Chevy/turbo700 when the little 253 was more than enough to do the job. It's one of the many really stupid things I've done in my life.
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Every Aussie should experience the exhilaration of driving a Holden one tonner at speed in the wet. Real bloke stuff ;).
Its like you can't call yourself a real Aussie unless you have untangled Holden gear linkages in the poring rain at night/ tonner is essentially Australian. Volvo is about as Australian as blokes wearing male cosmetics.... it happens but we have names for those people.
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Volvo is about as Australian as blokes wearing male cosmetics.... it happens but we have names for those people.
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Every Aussie should experience the exhilaration of driving a Holden one tonner at speed in the wet. Real bloke stuff ;).
Volvo is about as Australian as blokes wearing male cosmetics....
You're in form today Marc.(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/icons/laughing6-hehe.gif)
(Opps, whats that, I just got struck from Nathan's christmas card list :-[ - I didn't agree Nathan, just involuntarily laughed)
I now make it a self-imposed rule not to eat or drinking whilst reading your posts ;) :D 8).
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Sorry, I can't see any thinking going on there at all… Just two self absorbed, attention seekers desparately hoping that somebody is watching.
Yuk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Volvo is about as Australian as blokes wearing male cosmetics.... it happens but we have names for those people.
Yeah I agree marcFX, their called Ducati and Harley riders. ;D
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Sorry, I can't see any thinking going on there at all… Just two self absorbed, attention seekers desparately hoping that somebody is watching.
Yuk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what you mean like these people
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Gary Glitter (now theres a dickhead) WTF was he on?
under age boys
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Gary Glitter (now theres a dickhead) WTF was he on?
under age boys
I remember reading that it was 11 yr old girls, actually. Not that it makes it any less appalling.