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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: Shaun G on October 09, 2010, 04:03:09 pm
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Hi I have posted this on the new Retro Dirt Bike forum as well. If you would like to discuss this it's probably best if you do it over there as that is where Pre '90 debates belong.
http://retrodirtbike.com/index.php?topic=28.0
I have just returned from the inaugural meeting of the first Pre '90 dirt bike group in NSW.
It was a positive start with a good roll up and some great ideas.
We discussed a variety of things regarding the direction of the group.
At this point in time it was felt that we should commence as a register. The register will cater to motorcycles from the eighties with a pre '90 cut off.
Our first event as a group will happen next Sunday the 17th of October when we travel to the awesome Lakes track for their open practice day. http://www.lakesmotorcycleclub.com/ The club is keen to see a roll up of older bikes and if we get enough numbers we may even get our own vintage session.
We will be having a sausage sizzle and it is sure to be a great social ride day and a good chance to do some fine tuning on your Pre '90 before we kick off next year. Of course you can also ride your modern bike.
If you are interested in coming let me know and we will make space under the Quickshades for you. Either send me a pm or my email address is [email protected]
Cheers
Shaun
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Good work Shaun,good luck with your efforts with pre90.
Looks like you guys werent scared to put your money where your mouth was.
WELL DONE!
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Thanks Craig
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Wishing you all the best in your endeavours to promote 80 - 90 Vintage MX.
As the saying goes " he who walks to the top of the hill & fails to look over the horizon, is bound to fail "
Ken Baker Viper Member & Rider
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Good luck Shaun.
More paying active racers, has to good for the sport in general.
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Good luck with the new Chapter guys. great to see you getting it going to bring NSW onboard with Vic & QLD..
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Good on ya Shaun. There's been a lot of people talking the talk but you've proved you can walk the walk as well. I wish you and your blokes all the best in your efforts.
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Love the outcome StiG.
Now - Wanted 1988 Suzuki RM 250 - all conditions considered please pm me pretty please.
Cuddles,
Rudy
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Fat or thin snags...you B.H.C.
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well done to all involved.hope you have some rounds close to the vic boarder,we will support.all we need now is a mag promoting our blkes and classes.
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Do i hear newsletter # 29 guy
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Rudy,
Lets talk re 88 RM.
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Well done Shaun the replys look great Sorry I did not get over on Saturday but will be up for the next one The Lakes is a great track and it will be great to have a ride.
I have a lot on but if you need any help with setting up anything give me a call I still have all the old paper work from when we started HEAVEN list of names emails and old news letters just for ideas. Good luck Talk soon (Sorry I will take that back you dont need the luck its going to happen.)
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Hey Shaun,
First question of merit... what will you do with a guy who shows up with an evo bike? Is he allowed to ride / race?
Will you invite anyone with an evo bike? An evo / pre85 / pre90 day would be pretty compact dont you think? 12 motos approx. done by 1pm, most everyone's home for dinner.
Stirring the brown steemers as usual.
Rudy
xxx ooo xxx
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ah , but will the evo guys want to race on those rough tracks, you know how those newer bikes stuff the track!!!
Cheers Worms
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Stuff the EVO rules as they make as much sense as those who made them, this club should be about bums on seats and not excluding who wants to ride.
(Ie letting 80-81 model Kawies on the line in a competitive field).
Ultimately you would run 78-82, 83-85 and 86-89, I can see it now...bring on the RETO NATS!
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ah , but will the evo guys want to race on those rough tracks, you know how those newer bikes stuff the track!!!
Cheers Worms
:D Not a bad call for an old bloke, not bad at all. :)
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Hey Shaun,
First question of merit... what will you do with a guy who shows up with an evo bike? Is he allowed to ride / race?
Will you invite anyone with an evo bike? An evo / pre85 / pre90 day would be pretty compact dont you think? 12 motos approx. done by 1pm, most everyone's home for dinner.
Stirring the brown steemers as usual.
Rudy
xxx ooo xxx
Hey ER
General concensus at the meeting was we embrace bikes from around 1980 onwards. So yep EVO and Pre '85 bikes are more than welcome to our events.
Much love my brother ;D ;D ;D
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Good luck with your events :) its good to see you blokes putting up after much discussion on this forum .
May i ask why you would cut off at 1980 though ??? if somone with an older bike rocked up to your meetings would you let them ride or turn them away and why .
Its probably unlikley that many with older bikes would choose to race with the later bikes but some may do . I have bikes from the 60s, 70,s 80,s 90,s and current but i like to ride my 70,s eras bkes at most events .
Obviously when you are fielding full grids of 1980 on bikes and the register is aimed at the owners of those bikes then people with older bikes would have to take a back seat.
Good luck with the new register look forward to a report and photos from lakes :)
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Hi Bill
HEAVEN is the place to ride your pre '78 and earlier bike in NSW. They have told us clearly that what we propose (pre '90) is not even on their radar and this is why the new register even exists. To encourage earlier bikes to join us seems conter productive to promoting pre '90 in this state.
Cheers
Shaun
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Hi Shaun,
just go with the flow mate, you will find MA clearly states that all class's are era end dates, ie pre 75 , pre78, except evo, meaning any bike can enter that class made prior to that year! so you could have some turkey turning up on a pre70 and wanting to enter, just let them, its more dollars for your club and theres no agro.
Cheers Worms
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Sure Trev but we don't intend to encourage the earlier bikes. That is not what we are about. We are a register devoted to bikes from the eighties HEAVEN already covers vintage bikes down here very well.
Cheers
Shaun
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Well done Shaun the replys look great Sorry I did not get over on Saturday but will be up for the next one The Lakes is a great track and it will be great to have a ride.
I have a lot on but if you need any help with setting up anything give me a call I still have all the old paper work from when we started HEAVEN list of names emails and old news letters just for ideas. Good luck Talk soon (Sorry I will take that back you dont need the luck its going to happen.)
G'day John
Mate thanks. I look forward to having a chat on Sunday. If you could bring anything you have from the early days that would be great.
Cheers
Shaun
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Hey guy's,
Just a quick update on our ride this Sunday at Lakes.
Great News. Nick Dole from Teknik Racing http://www.teknikracing.com/ has agreed to bring his mobile workshop and years of experience along this Sunday.
Nick has a long history of working with some of Australia's top off road riders and his input will be greatly appreciated by those of us who don't have a clue on suspension tuning.
Thanks Nick and I promise not to take up too much of your time 8)
Cheers
Shaun
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... and for his own safety, Rudy has been banned from the work shop at Teknik and is not currently allowed to travel to events.
Lucky you guys.
Cuddles,
ER
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Hey shaun, how good will the weekend be at the lakes, cant wait , just what was needed for us EVO - pre 90 RIDERS , see you & all the other guys then ,middo
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OK who's showing up, you Satanic VMX wanna bees? Make sure you ask Nick a lot of questions. He really likes sharing... you have been warned.
It seems I may have tracked down an 88 RM250 for US$500. The way the currency is going, if I wait another week, he'll have to pay me to ship it to Australia.
I was just accosted by three wheeled freaks / side car racers in a quiz thread. They're a serious lot... seriously fricken' nuts.
Anyone got a container comming to Oz?
Love ya' ted-e-bear
Rudy,
xxooxx
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Rudy you lemon
Email or call Firko and or email this handsome man [email protected] he has a contact for you.
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Get intouch with Shoreline Motorcycles in Brisbane, his name Robin, he has container leaving shortly..........0732096777.....
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Be carefull though ER, he's one of those sidecar freaks too....it might grow a 3rd wheel on the way over. ;D Ring him though, he is a good bloke....just lives on the dark side.
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Email or call Firko
Rudy my stuffs already here Rudy so I'd also suggest Shoreline or if you want it shipped into Sydney it might be worth giving John Fleming a ring on 0400295 295. Jim off this forum uses him and seems pretty happy with him.
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Hey STiG,
How will your rule on this little continuation situation...
1989 Suzuki RMs are legal, but the model did not change shape or fundamental parts from 89 to 92.
How says you.
Love,
Rudy
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... same for YZ 250 of era.
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(Talking beyond the specific NSW stuff here)
You're asking whether they're carry-over models?
I'm too lazy to go and check, but I'm pretty sure that pre-85 rules in the MoMS doesn't have any provision for carry over - presumably pre-90 will be the same?
Basically, I can't see why the carry-over model rules wouldn't be the same as they are for the earlier eras: Same parts = same bike = still eligible for the older eras regardless of the actual date of manufacture.
I also reckon that there would be benefit in limiting brake diameter and USD fork diameter to stop later model parts sneaking in*. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there weren't any USD forks larger than 41mm in 1989.
*Just like all of those Honda cartridge forks that aren't fitted to pre-85 Hondas... :D
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the pre 85 supp regs do not allow for carry over models, this was the intent that was submitted to MA and endorsed, and pre 90 should follow suit!
cheers Trev
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supp regs my rather large arse...
its not sheep stations of national titles...
its getting fellas off their behinds and out riding at a CLUB DAY
I have checked and they are the same - hence the question
(Nathan, never start an arguement you havent already won)
Hugs,
Rudy
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I have checked and they are the same - hence the question
(Nathan, never start an arguement you havent already won)
Making allowances for stuff that can be freely modified/swapped under the existing rules (like wheel diameters and shock absorbers and fork internals and cosmetics).
The 1990 YZs got different forks to the '89s (including a different colour, making them easy to spot). The '90 YZ250 got a significantly different frame, with different radiator mounts, different swing arm and different rear suspension linkage, and a different barrel.
It is not a carry-over bike, and would be quite easy to pick someone trying to slip one through.
The 1990 RM250 got a different frame, with rectangular section tubing near the swing arm pivot.
It is not a carry-over bike, and would be quite easy to pick someone trying to slip one through.
Both the 1990 YZ & RM 125s are close to being 89-model carry-overs, although they both got different forks to the 1989 models, making them easy to spot.
I'd contend that with the right forks fitted, both would be acceptable Pre-90 bikes - and as the 90 RM125 forks are essentially the same as the 89 RM250 forks, then a stock '90 RM125 should be an acceptable pre-90 bike (bit vague on that, because a 14 year old Nathan cut up his now-valuable reference material, so I can't tell you about the 90 RM125 motor compared to the 89 model's).
Compared to the 90 models, the 91 RM125 & 250 got bigger forks (45mm), and different & linkages swingarms to the 91s. The 125 also got a different barrel.
91 YZ125 & 250 had similar upgrades to the RMs, along with a different frame to the 91s.
So none of the 91s are possibly carry-over pre-90 models, even if the 1990s are.
Kawasaki made it easy to spot a 90+ KX125/250 from the pre-90 models by going to the perimeter frame. The KX500 IS a legitimate carry-over bike, providing it has the right model forks - same goes for the CR500, I believe.
The CR125 went to a HPP exhaust power valve in 1990, easily distinguishing it from the pre-90 models.
CNBF looking at the 1990 CR250 right now.
The idea that it is impossible to pick the differences between post-84 model bikes, is a myth. The knowledge will be gained as the knowledge is needed.
99% of the general population wouldn't know that a 1977 CR125 isn't a legal pre-75 bike while a 1975 model is - but we know because we know what matters and what to look for.
Similarly, I have SFA idea about the legalities of pre-65 bikes, but the people who are interested and/or who need to know, know.
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wouldnt it be easier to say no, now f--k-of and ride ya bike in the moderns?
just a thought
Cheers Worms
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Wouldn't it be easier to say the same things to all of those Pre-70 riders?
I mean all this hassle with square barrell Maico, RT1s, etc - its all too messy, so they should all just f%^k off now and go play with the pre-75 bikes.
Oh, and then pre-75 is hard too - 6-speed boxes in YZ125s, LTR Maicos, 1975 CR125s, etc - its all too messy, so they should all just f%^k off now and go play with the pre-78 bikes.
...And repeat until you've concluded that Classic MX is just all too hard and we all fork off and go play with the moderns.
Every era will bring its set of challenges - its just silly to claim that pre-90 will be any better or worse than the eras that came before it.
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My point i guess is if they're going to get all hung up about this shit now, they will not learn from history and are doomed to repeat it.
I just thought if the tank seat and plastics are the same, the rest is open to cheating anyways, fork internals, wheels etc, why not let it go.
I once made the mistake of putting forward a postie bike class idea. By the time they were through bs-ing it was distorted to all shit.
I had one rule. It had to use a postie frame and seat and the engine with original engine mounts and wheel sizes. Go nuts with the rest. Long shocks, swinging arms, forks, carbs, big bores, pipes.
Thats the fun part - making and modifying your own "works" bike, not hiding the things that are not strickly in the rules.
Kill joys.
Rudy
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So how many Satanists turned up for the launch of Pre 90 to NSW
How did it go
Was the track good
How was the food...
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I have an ear in my gearbag that was retrieved from Bear that i believe belongs to that # 29 guy.
PM me and i will post it to ya...hehehe
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That's mean ted.
Funny though...
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So how many Satanists turned up for the launch of Pre 90 to NSW
How did it go
Was the track good
How was the food...
Callled out for a look but didnt ride as nothing prepared, looked like a good turnout tho and lot of interest shown by the guys I saw coming around for a look, I would reckon around fifteen bikes on display or being ridden but could have been more, even a few pre 85 and pre 78. Track looked perfectly groomed by the Lakes crew as usual and would have liked to have a blast around once out there :)
Didnt sample the food but did take a few pics, just not off my phone yet, also teknic technician ot setting up suspension settings for a few of the bikes would of been good to get a few adjustments on a track like lakes, always next time ;D
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Well our first "event" went off last weekend.
The Lakes club put on a display on how to run a day with plenty of time for everyone on a track that is arguably the best prepared facility in NSW.
Considering the late notice we had a good roll up of 14 riders on a mixture of bikes from Evo, Pre '85 and Pre '90 as well as Iron Man Ricki on his Pre '75. And despite running with moderns Rick told me he found the track conditions were no problem for the mighty 400 ;D
Thanks to Fast Eddie for his sensational BBQ. How good were his snags?
Thanks to Nick and Bear from Technik for their tips and advice on suspension setup.
Stay tuned for details on our next social ride and BBQ coming up soon. As well as details on plans for the Pre '90 racing season next year.
Cheers
Shaun
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu202/STG_23/Lakes.jpg)
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Next meeting announcement here - http://retrodirtbike.com/index.php?topic=47.0
Cheers
Shaun
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just a correction popeye put my ph no up for shipping out of the usa no is 07 3821 6777.great your meeting went well. have a few pre 90 bikes coming
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Meeting now on Thursday night @ 7pm