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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kane Mcguire on October 07, 2010, 10:11:42 pm
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just letting others know that there is a growing group of vmxers, that have stopped selling parts and bikes to people that dont ride/show or onsell and just add to their ridiculously large stockpile of bikes and parts. this behaviour rips the guts out of a great sport that has a finite future. i cant stand that nearly every month in vmx magazine there is a story of some bloke and his huge collection of vmx bikes. if they think others envy them, well there are many that think "wanker". yeh yeh everyone will have their philosophical opinion about this, but tell someone that gives a shit.
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Say it aint so :o :o :o :o :o
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well picture this """
Thirty three hoarders fall off the perch..right here in oz...They will flood the market with old dodgee bikes...Another revolution begins :P :P :P
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vmx247 that is bloody funny and true! i spoke to a big supplier in qld and he is only keen to sell to non hoarders.
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i spoke to a big supplier in qld and he is only keen to sell to non hoarders.
yes we know who we are :-X...
Did I tell you its an addiction the seacontainers full,sheds over flowing and I know longer sleep in our bedroom. ;D ;)
One day- just one day I'll fit that-rebuild that-rewire that-recover that-respring that-refork that...........
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What number do you become a hoarder at? :-\
I think that if you have worked hard and can afford to buy the things you always wanted as a kid you should no use going to the grave thinking I wish I'd have ridden that tm400 or maico 490 you could even buy a bultaco as some do 360 frontera would be nice. ;)
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l will back you all the way harvey, l was born in a family of hoarders, no one can say l am a hoarder, and it does stop the sport from growing, l have experiance that at race meetings over the years. Harvey what model bike are you looking for l may beable to help. ;)
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hey tm bill. i read your response, went away but came back later and then noticed your big list of bikes under your response !! that was funny, great shit stir. im still laughing at that!
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just letting others know that there is a growing group of vmxers, that have stopped selling parts and bikes to people that dont ride/show or onsell and just add to their ridiculously large stockpile of bikes and parts. this behaviour rips the guts out of a great sport that has a finite future. i cant stand that nearly every month in vmx magazine there is a story of some bloke and his huge collection of vmx bikes. if they think others envy them, well there are many that think "wanker". yeh yeh everyone will have their philosophical opinion about this, but tell someone that gives a shit.
::)
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Yeah Harvey i noted that and laughed also. But in all fairness-I have afew bikes that i race at nepean and i own a few that i never will race, just get tempted when i see someting for sale that i like, I reckon i have sold on more bikes than i own and every bike that goes through my hands goes to the next as a better unit than when i got it and trust me there is no net profit, Just keeps me off the street. Also it was a good way to piss off the missus. She stopped counting at three.
OLDYZMAN
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What a funny post ;D. I'm sure Harvey's taking the piss here. What's a hoarder? How many bikes do you need to have before you are officially a hoarder, 2, 4, 6,16, 32.....what's the cutoff?, Who are these suppliers who think hoarders are wankers and won't take their money?
It's funny...Anthony Suttor has about 100 Bultacos rotting away in his shearing shed out in Euchareena but Bultacos still come up for sale every other week with nobody interested in buying them. Anthony's stash has zero to do with supply and demand. The same goes for other "hoarded" collections having no effect on the market. This old hoarder chestnut's been going on for twenty years and means absolutely nothing. That's my "philosophical opinion". ::)
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Go Firko,
But in all sincerity mate, i think i will take a leaf out of your book and sell a couple myself as you have done recently, how you going with that anyway. Seems to be a problem with selling old bikes either people cannot seem to appreciate a good bike for a fair price or if you sell a cheapie then people pick the shit out of it, like those handlebars are not correct for model bla bla bla.
OLDYZMAN
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i guess i'm classed as a horder with my 14 bikes even though i'm going through each one restoring
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The only time I get annoyed is when guys have bikes that they're "gonna rebuild", but clearly are never going to do anything with. Doubly when they're left outside to rot.
.... Bultacos still come up for sale every other week with nobody interested in buying them.
Maybe Bultacos aren't the ideal example? ;D
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Surely YOU cant hoard bikes that arent runners.
And if you sell them no one wants them anyway, they all wont runner for 2/5 of fork all.
There are bikes out there, YOU just have to pay what there worth or sit on the fence and keep waiting to the cherry one comes up, if every. Do something or do nothing either way its your call
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mmm...my name is Doc, I'm 47 and I'm a hoarder :-\
that said, I feel so much better now! ;D
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I'm guilty of having TWO bikes. Fifty would be a hoarding wanker, no question in my mind.
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my wife makes sure I am not a hoarder of bikes - however I do like spares (such as clutch push leves for YZB's) for my bikes - but then when I can't use one for whaever reason I move it on. But really as Firko says what is one man'sollection is another man's realism. I envy those guys with the money to keep heaps i.e primm collection - but it aint gunna happen for me so why worry?
luv
(few beers too many) Rossco
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I guess VMXers are whore's, if the price is right we will take anything home :D
Cheers Worms, ( sold 6 vmx bikes this year, 2 left, all the rest are moderns, so that should keep harvey happy)
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I don't own any bikes........
.......they own me :-[ :-\ :'(.
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mate was a horder of sorts but could not help himself,he did however ride every meet,including overseas and always had a mate or 2 on his bikes. What pisses me off more is over the last 20 yrs i have given parts to people to finish there bike and then they sell the fecker with the part you gave them to get more bikes out there!!
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I'm guilty of having TWO bikes. Fifty would be a hoarding wanker, no question in my mind.
Shit lucky fifty is the cut off. I'd hate to be a wanker.
Blokes have bought fifty odd bikes back when nobody wanted them and saved them from the scrap heap. Thank god for them.
With the dollar the way it is and the pool of bikes in the U.S and the fact that there are so many being imported as well, there is no excuse for saying there aren't any around. I have had a shit load go through my hands and only one import from '07.
Oh and if you only have 4 bikes or less, than you guys are jerks....(gee that was an off the cuff, lack of thought remark).
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i have 40 on the way so plenty to go around ;D
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i cant stand that nearly every month in vmx magazine there is a story of some bloke and his huge collection of vmx bikes. if they think others envy them, well there are many that think "wanker".
This is the paragraph I find funny. Because someone shows the passion to restore and amass a collection of bikes that's good enough to make the pages of VMX they're somehow considered wankers ::). I happen to know a number of guys with large collections of bikes and each and every one of them are contributing to our sport in many positive ways and have done for years. The real wankers are the blokes who let this anti hoarder shit eat them up. Get over it.
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In '99 I was selling off my collection to finance a long O.S. trip. I had a very tidy low mileage '75 Honda CR250. Still had the warning stickers on the tank. (Kick,kick,kick)
I took it to a swap meet and put $700 on it. Had a guy from a VMX club tell me it was overpriced and I would never get my money for it because it wasn't pre '75 elligible. I told him for $700 he had a lot of parts to keep a '74 CR running.
I ended up selling it to some guy who just wanted a cheap bike to chase his kid around a paddock with. Because it was cheap, it's probably leaning against the back shed in the weather now.
So the question is, should I have hoarded it until it was worth something and sold it to a VMX enthusiast were today it might grace a race track, or was I better to not hoard and let it go to disapear into the motorcycling black hole.
Let's not look at it as hoarding, let's see it as caretaking and saving classic motorcycles until such a time that a better use/owner is found for them. The only reason VMX exists is because someone decided to hoard old bikes rather than sell them to the wreckers or let kids destroy them in the paddock.
I was at a swapmeet once and was bored so decided to start haggling over a '75 WR250 husky in mint condition. No paint worn off the tank mint. I had no use for this bike. The bloke selling it needed it gone and some neighbour kids had offered him $800 for it to thrash in the paddock. He let me have it for $700 because he knew I would save it. I rode it twice, didn't like it, and 'hoarded' it in the corner for years. One day a bloke came along who wanted to race it and made me a fair offer and I let him have it. It now get's raced.
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yes they do contribute firko. the amount of bikes does not classify a vmxer as a hoarder. hoarders are few but do annoy some.
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In anticipation of breaking the rear mudguard off my boat tail Bultaco I must confess that I have a painted up spare hanging in the garage. Does that make me a hoarder or a wanker? Cheers Jerry (I only have one bike by the way. Costs enough to keep that running!)
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i cant stand that nearly every month in vmx magazine there is a story of some bloke and his huge collection of vmx bikes.
In the spirit of this thread (ie: Having a whinge):
You know, "Blokes and Sheds" has become pretty dull since it has become just about blokes with big sheds and huge collections of beautiful bikes. Yeah, I love reading about/seeing pictures of pretty bikes and I appreciate the effort that goes into building a collection of them, but
That part of the magazine used to be a consistant highlight for me, but is now little more than a teaser for bikes that probably deserve proper feature articles in the magazine.
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You could always ring me or email me and then I'd know........02 9452 1444 or [email protected]
Blokes and Sheds is exactly the same now as it has always been, lots of the bikes in earlier collections also deserved individual features.
I'm here if you want to discuss it further rather than just posting on the forum.
Regards
Ken
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It would go on for days, maybe even weeks Ken! ;D
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And then you'd give him his own magazine just to shut him up. ;D ;D....."Blokes and there shed's" by Nathan......contributing editors...Firko.....DJ....Alison....Freakhead.....music composed,written and played by AJ....(why not a singing talking, magazine....Jeff could do the voiceovers with his authoritive voice ;D) proof-read by Dave ofcourse, artwork by TM I was never arested for graffitti Bill....shit, it,s becoming a plan......
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Why do people worry about what others have in their sheds? A while ago I got a disturbing PM from a former forum member telling me that he's sick to of "rich guys" like me and our fancy bike 'sticking' it to blokes "like him" whatever that means. Not that it's anyones business but I've only got 7 complete and operable bikes which is a miserable number when compared to most folks. As far as my bikes being fancy, a few of them may look that way now but nearly all of them started as rusty old shitboxes and turning those rusty hulks that most people wouldn't touch into "fancy bikes" is what gives me joy. To think that anyone who 1: has decent and rare bikes and 2: a decent sized collection is rich is in most cases wrong. I'm a self funded retiree living in Fibroville who by luck happens to have a few manual skills and is capable of building a bike without spending cash registers full of money. None of my bikes owe me any more than 3 or 4 k tops. My "fancy bike" Cheney owes me about $2500 total.
I have as just as much respect for Jimson and his little Indian or Doc and his low buck Suzukis as I do for the cashed up fellas and their flash Monarks or Rickmans. Whether a blokes got one bike or a hundred, a Metisse or a Honcho it doesn't matter one iota to me, we're all doing the same thing with bikes that we love. It's time these blokes who think those with big collections are wankers got to know those blokes a bit better. They'd soon find out that they're exactly the same as them.
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Hoarder I'm not, but a collector I am . So stick that up yah pipe and smoke it.
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I've managed to hold my tongue until now.................. :-X
A while ago I got a disturbing PM from a former forum member telling me that he's sick to of "rich guys" like me and our fancy bike 'sticking' it to blokes "like him"
Are there actually people in our sport that are that F#@ked up that they resort to this sort of crap. >:(
I am interested in what other guys have got in their shed but only because I like looking at all old bikes.
I used to really enjoy the knowledge sharing and comeraderie of this forum, but lately it seems to be more and more bullshit like this than a bunch of blokes enjoying old dirt bikes and a bit of history together.
What's happened?????????
Stuff this. I'm going riding................
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Tony, My sentiments exactly.
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And then you'd give him his own magazine just to shut him up. ;D ;D....."Blokes and there shed's" by Nathan......contributing editors...Firko.....DJ....Alison....Freakhead.....music composed,written and played by AJ....(why not a singing talking, magazine....Jeff could do the voiceovers with his authoritive voice ;D) proof-read by Dave ofcourse, artwork by TM I was never arested for graffitti Bill....shit, it,s becoming a plan......
youd have to climb over all my half finshed, broken shit before you got to the good stuff anyway. I havent forgotten the FT KEn, its still a matter of lining the planets with TonyT and a weekend im not fixing somthing back up with wire.
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Bugger l have just bought another bike, l am becoming a hoader. ???
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What did you get Dave?
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A while ago I got a disturbing PM from a former forum member telling me that he's sick to of "rich guys" like me and our fancy bike 'sticking' it to blokes "like him" whatever that means. Not that it's anyones business but I've only got 7 complete and operable bikes which is a miserable number when compared to most folks.
Your right Firko 7 is a pretty skinny collection but like you say you are on a fixed income, plus from what I gather you have more coming. ;)
As for the 'rich guys' they are normally the guys who have got off their ass in life and got what they want in their sheds. I havn't got time to think about what the so called poor (lazy) are bleeting about. My income and hard shopping allows me some nice bikes and the so called poor can kiss my nickel plated trick part ass.
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our right Firko 7 is a pretty skinny collection but like you say you are on a fixed income, plus from what I gather you have more coming.
It hasn't always been that thin Marc but when I stopped racing at the end of the last century I decided to cull the herd and limit it to the 7 or 8 I can comfortably garage. I do have about four in various stages of restoration and two on the way from the US but to make room for them, three from the "never use" shed will have to go. Eventually I'll have the herd culled to house just the trick part bikes I love. I reckon seven or eight not counting road bikes and moderns is a fair number.
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Wish I had more money so I could be a hoarder too, you can never have enough bikes in the shed
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It just takes time.
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…and the so called poor can kiss my nickel plated trick part ass.
Come on Marc,
Tell us what you really think? :D
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People get jealous for no real reason, I have had the odd pm too Firko I am probably considered poor I am only a second year apprentice but apperantly according to people that didn't know me my mum and dad were paying for all my bikes ???, I have to save up for any big item I buy.
If the 400 is in your un used shed Firko Pm me.
If you really want something it isn't that hard to save up and buy it as long as you are prepared to work for it.
I only have one Vmx bike but I am happy with that especially being a kick ass vmx bike.
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you can never have enough bikes in the shed
exactly! well kind of, sometimes it's nice to be able to actually have enough space walk between them..now that would be Utopia ;D
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People get jealous for no real reason, I have had the odd pm too Firko I am probably considered poor I am only a second year apprentice
Good for you mate I remember being on the bones of my ass as a second year apprentice. But keep at it, being able to do your own hands on stuff is worth its weight in gold.
Yeah I don't know what is wrong with people firing off PMs because they can't stand their own mediocrity. I will give, swap parts with my mates, associates, forum friends freely to get them running....but other than that I like to keep my bikes and parts like a squirrel saving nuts.... this is not a charity and I am not Mother Teresa ;D
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Funny you mention it Harvey,
I had never given it a second thought until I read the latest VMX article on the guy with the special KTM collection, for some reason I thought you selfish, self centered prick. " Take as many photo's as you can, as once the show is over nobody else will ever come in here again"
That attitude urks me.
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You blokes crack me up. I have a bad education a crap job my wife thinks I'm hopeless :'( money whats that :-[ I buy my bikes from the local tip or anywhere I can buy them cheap I make parts fit I try to do a good job its a struggle but its me and know one will stop me from being me my wife try's all the time ;D jimson
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When I was young an older man told me a proverb.
The Aussie worker goes to work and sees his boss turn up in a Rolls Royce and says "That bastard I'll have him down to riding a bicycle one day".
The American worker goes to work and sees his boss turn up in a Cadillac and says "Right on man, I'm going to get me one of those one day."
I throughout my whole life have always subscribed to the later. People like Firko who goes to a lot of trouble to scrounge up and build rare bikes and people like Marc who have a nickel plated trick part ass only inspire me.
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Here, here!! C&B.
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I buy my bikes from the local tip or anywhere I can buy them cheap ;D jimson
More power to you man, you never know what you can trip over for a couple of hundred bucks. Like Firko said part of the fun is taking an old bunch of junk and making something or tripping over a good deal. Remember Firkos TS/TM 250 racer that cost less than the gas he used chasing the parts ::)
As for my nickel plated ass I earn't every nickel of it. ;D
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Never thought i'd say this,...What's on tele? :-\
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I'm with you Darren.
Channel 9's "What Happens In Vegas Stays In Vegas" is look'n real good.
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Culled 27 or 28 complete bikes and two large car transporter trailer loads of parts in one day, for $700... ::) Still Ray Ryan (RIP mate) and others have had and are still having a ball of fun with them. Yes I had a hoard of Hodakas but shit I collected them for years and years for peanuts or free when nobody else could be bothered.
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You blokes crack me up. I have a bad education a crap job my wife thinks I'm hopeless :'( money whats that :-[ I buy my bikes from the local tip or anywhere I can buy them cheap I make parts fit I try to do a good job its a struggle but its me and know one will stop me from being me my wife try's all the time ;D jimson
Damn straight Jimson ! Sad that the bride undervalues you, but you can still get out to the garage, rip open a coldie and groove out with your bikes : and the most essential, the reflection on your last meeting, and the anticipation of the next one, son ! ;D And you might like to point out to her, that while you're "wasting your time shagging round with old bikes" at least you're at home, and not out chasing other (more understanding) women... >:(
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Never thought i'd say this,...What's on tele? :-\
Just finished watching Better Homes :-[ Had an article looking around Mick Doohan's house with his collection of bikes, cars and karts........
What a wanker! ;D
Lucky I only have two bikes, so I'm not a wanker....just a jerk it seems ::) though if I could finish spending money on the house reno's I'd be a wanker for sure! ;D
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Oh shit !!!
Looks like i'm in trouble, LMFAO :D
Pssst, hey Harvey old mate - want to buy a low hours 81 490T I've just about got ready to sell? Or a 501 built to your requirements? Or an RM125N or a crappy Bully M135
Or maybe a Cheney Ducati (just joking - that one is too rare so never for sale, but I do have four 450 R/T's to go eventually)
Seriously pal, if you are so distressed (or whatever your problem is) grab a roll of dollars and relieve the pain - there are oodles of bikes out there in the big wide world of VMX. DDR will sell you something - but hold it - is he daring to make a profit from selling bikes? There goes the whole motorcycle industry - profiteering mongrels ;)
Enjoy life, and hope you like the colour - there is a reason for it ::)
Dave Mac :)
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Hey MX i saw that thing on Mick doohan too, thats really something... Well ive just managed to fit my bikes tools and parts in two 20ft containers cause i just sold my house with a nice big big garage. All this BS is just motivating me to build an even bigger new garage in this old little house we just bought. My aim now is to have a garage bigger than the house, the missus will be a bit surprised when the slab goes down, bugger it I worked my ass off from when i left school at 14 now 41, like firko said many of us rescue bikes from scrap. The best thing about old vmxers is that the govt doesn't get duty when buying and selling them.
OLDYZMAN
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Seems to me that some people who complain about others having too many bikes are the one's who are on the look out for a certain bike but can't be patient enough, or search well enough to find it!
Most of the time a bike "falls into your lap" by someone else's help, or your own determination and patience.
Often all you have to do is advertise and ask around.
ps Variety is the spice of life!
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This is a favourite subject of mine.
Many of my bikes have been built up from multiple donor basket cases and have taken hundreds of hours to put together, but because I do the labour myself, they usually have cost me less than $3000 each to finish ready to compete on.
In all cases I would have preferred to buy a complete going bike but before the internet and eBay, it was much harder to find bikes and so back then I tended to buy whatever crap I could find in the hope of getting enough to put together a complete bike.
The other thing is that if you want to buy a particular bike, maybe a rare one, you have to actually tell the owner that you would like to buy it if they ever want to sell. I have bought a couple of bikes like that. In each case it has taken a few years from asking to when they sell, but it does work!!! I have no sympathy for people who stand back, never say anything, then whinge loudly when someone sells to someone else a bike they secretly liked.
Simply a matter of saying "mate if you ever want to sell that, please let me know, here is my phone number"