OzVMX Forum
Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: Graeme M on September 27, 2010, 06:24:21 pm
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OK, this is the big opportunity I know you've all been clamouring for. Pre 90, 95 and 00 is go. Or at least, let's see if this thing really has legs.
Anyone seriously interested in the cause, we have a website just for you. Managed by yours truly and the inimitable Nathan S.
http://www.retrodirtbike.com
From the site intro page:
Retro Dirt Bike Australia is a forum based website dedicated to retro dirt bikes in Australia. But what exactly is a retro dirt bike?
You have probably heard of Vintage Motocross, you may even own or race a Vintage Motocross bike. Vintage Motocross, or VMX, is a long established branch of dirtbiking dedicated to reliving the sights, sounds and memories of yesteryear.
In Australia, VMX has several well defined classes that set the basis for what sort of bike you can and can't ride and what sort of technical specifications apply to VMX racing itself. The general rule though is that VMX is for dirtbikes manufactured before 1 January 1985. The major classes are Pre 70, Pre 75, pre 78, Evolution and Pre 85.
Although some clubs do hold races for Pre 90 model bikes, this class has not yet been formally accepted as part of Vintage Motocross. In fact, there is currently a lot of hot debate around that very issue.
In time of course this will change, but for now we feel that there is a place for a site dedicated to all the wonderful old dirtbikes built between 1985 and 2000. We decided to call these bikes Retro Dirt Bikes.
And that's what this site is. Retro Dirt Bike Australia is a forum for all you fans of the dirtbikes of this era. While our main focus is competition, we welcome anyone with an interest in dirtbiking. So if the flavour of your poison is motocross, enduro, trail riding, dirt track, trials, or even adventure riding, AND you want to know more about or talk about the bikes and times we all enjoyed post 1985 up to 2000, well then, this site is for YOU!
So come on in, join up and let's talk Retro Dirt Bikes.
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Nice Graeme
Got a key for the lock
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I'm sure I'll regret this, but...........I don't really understand why anyone would refer to a period in the '90s as being retro. Doesn't the term retro refer to bikes made today that are reminiscent of bikes made in the '90s, for example, or bikes made anytime in the past for that matter. I really think a different name should be used (and no, I can't say I have one) for an old period in time. Retro is now, just with an old look.
Sorry, but every time I see the term retro applied to bikes that are indeed old (not current bikes trying to look old) it just grates and makes absolutely no sense.
Regards
Ken
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Key Shoey? You just gotta register if you want in. I don't know nuthin about dirtbikes made after 1985 personally, so I'll depend on nathan to keep this one sorted. Be interesting to see what sort of activity it gets and whether there is much interest. Mind you we've got 10 members already. Wonder who'll do the first post? I see Sugar's online already! :o
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I kinda agree Ken, but retro is the only halfway sensible and easy to remember term anyone's come up with. Nathan wanted something like OldDirtBikes.com, which is just too vague. I wanted something that covers a big period in time but is not VMX related, so that meant Classic, Evolution, Vintage and so on were out. I was gonna go with RetroMX, and call it OzRMX.com but figured I'd have Suzuki freaks up in arms all over the shop...
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I'm sure I'll regret this, but...........I don't really understand why anyone would refer to a period in the '90s as being retro. Doesn't the term retro refer to bikes made today that are reminiscent of bikes made in the '90s, for example, or bikes made anytime in the past for that matter. I really think a different name should be used (and no, I can't say I have one) for an old period in time. Retro is now, just with an old look.
Sorry, but every time I see the term retro applied to bikes that are indeed old (not current bikes trying to look old) it just grates and makes absolutely no sense.
Regards
Ken
I agree, theres guys in the UK that make modern KTM's look like white models around 87-89, seen the same thing done with modern CR Hondas to make them look mid 80's with blue seats and plain honda wind sticker on the shrouds etc, i think even 090 on here did a CR like that, and they call it a 'retro' make over. But what else can we call it other than retro?
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Hell yeah, pre 00 and im in "heaven".
cheers Dale.
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After thinking about it for the last five minutes, call the bikes from the '90s and '00s as being from the Millenium period. Millenium motocross sounds almost catchy. These were the bikes that were around in the lead up to the new millenium and which also arrived in the new millenium. Simple to say, simple to understand. Maybe someone has already suggested this but I can't remember it if that's the case.
Retro is totally meaningless for bikes built in the '90s or '00s. They are NOT retro.
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Good luck with it guy's ,would be good to see these bike's used! How about PRE KMX or pre 2KMX cheers
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Congrats Nathan and Graeme
Bruce "magoo" McFarland would be proud of you, as you both know Bruce was a huge supporter of the Pre 90 movement here in NSW.
All the best with the new forum, I have already registered and lets see it ECLIPSE all records on the old farts forum ;D ;D ;D
Damo
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I like 2KMX and MilleniumMx, not bad at all. I guess in time we'll see if there is an agreement about the right name.
For now though, the site is Retro Dirt Bike Australia even though it may not be quite right.
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Stick with "Retro", sounds OK to me :)
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What is the defining thing that makes a bike a 90's bike?
hideous graphics, water cooled, disc brakes, FAT pipes, stupendous forks, slide-up seat, monoshock and the end of the two-stroke.
so 90's could be referred to as oh, "pre-4T" ?
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What is the defining thing that makes a bike a 90's bike?
Being made in the 1990s? ;D
Yeah, pretty much aiming for the bikes between 1985 and the (beginning of the) end of the 2-stroke era - including the early 1990s skinned alien seat covers, radioactive colour schemes and all that.
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I liked pre-4T cause the people who ride 90's bikes and love the graphics are urm.. pre-40 :-)
right.. time to get back to serious things - PROPER bikes from 1977-1980 ;D
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Dear O dear......this ain't going to help the sport one iota. Sorry, but I think this is a retrograde step and will only encourage more them and us argy bargy.
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Help the sport? It's not meant to help the sport.
It's meant to provide a forum for people who want to talk about old dirtbikes that don't fit the established VMX parameters. Once it gets on its feet, the old school guys won't even know it exists. You guys won't go there, and more than likely we'll see the end of the Pre 90/95 debates here on OzVMX.
You surely don't think that because there is such a thing as VMX and it ends in 1985, anyone who wants to restore, ride, or admire the bikes, riders and spirit of the post 1985 period isn't allowed to?
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Sorry, but I think this is a retrograde step and will only encourage more them and us argy bargy.
where Firko on this forum or as a whole ??
cheers
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I reckon i will still call 85-89 bikes 'vintage' or 'old'but i wont call 90-94 bikes 'vintage'
Its gonna be a tough one, i cant think of any other suitable name other than 'retro' the term 'vintage' is just already in everyones blood.
What do they call cars that were built in the mid-late 80's? classics?
I also dont like the 'divide' that Firko has pointed out, we should all be united as one :), but what do you do, so many people tryed to disrupt Graemes thread last week to try and make the issue go away.
I like to think of VMX as eras. We had the 50's era, 60's era, the 70's era and finally the 80's era.
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Sorry, my reply sounds too sharp. What I am saying is that there ARE people who rode and raced in the late 80s and early 90s who are now at the stage in life where they have that same interest in looking back as the rest of us. When vintage came into being in the early 90s, 1970-75 was about 20 years in the past. Well, 20 years ago now is 1990. So, it's not hard to imagine that this same interest occurs to people in 2010 as much as it did in 1990.
It was made very clear, derogatorily so in some cases, that many vintage fans can't accept the idea that we should formalise Pre 90/95 as part of the 'vintage' scene, notwithstanding the efforts of clubs like VIPER etc. OK, that's fine.
But that means that those younger guys who might want to buy a 1989 bike, or who have one and want to find parts for it, or who'd like to discuss races/events that stand out in their memories, aren't welcome to do so on OzVMX.
Well, that's fine too.
Hence this new site. It isn't about promoting a new race class, a race series, changes to the MoMS or anything. It's just meant to give the younger guys amongst us somewhere to hang out and talk about THEIR past.
How's that sound?
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Sounds good, well said. ;)
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Dear O dear......this ain't going to help the sport one iota. Sorry, but I think this is a retrograde step and will only encourage more them and us argy bargy.
Oh dear. I think you'll find that all of the pre-90 advocates were all about holding hands and singing kumbaya around the campfire. It was, however, made very clear that significant portions of the established VMX community were never going to accept pre-90 into the fold.
If there's "us and them", then its not from the later era guys.
This way avoids trying to mix oil and water.
Plus what Graeme said.
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well bugger me Nathan - the squeaky wheel gets the most oil - maybe I will start a campaign so we can have age class racing -hang on we do that now :o
Seriously guys - hope it goes well - I can't see it hurting
Nothing is cast in stone - so let's give it a try.
Now -where did I see that 1989 Honda CR500!!!!!!!
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I had a reply here that might have been seen as negative and argumentative but that wasn't my intention so I pulled it. I hope the new forum works well in uniting the younger old bike enthusiasts. I still think that .......nah, what's the point.
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C'mon Firko, she'll be right. Things like the IT Forum which cover more than just vintage ITs haven't brought the world tumbling down and I doubt this will either.
Tho I was a bit concerned the other day when I noticed Nathan weighs the same as a duck!
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If people outside of the VMX community (can I still call it that?) weren't confused before, they certainly will be now....... :-[ :-\
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C'mon Firko, she'll be right. Things like the IT Forum which cover more than just vintage ITs haven't brought the world tumbling down and I doubt this will either.
Tho I was a bit concerned the other day when I noticed Nathan weighs the same as a duck!
;D ;D let's see if he floats then!
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I know you speak in tongues Ross... but what? Explain that one for me.
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I don't know if i can. I'm totally confused as to to what's Vintage, Classic and Retro. Sorry. I know when I try to explain to 'outsiders' the different periods and classes that their eyes glaze over a little sometimes. I just think trying to explain this new thing (modern retro or whatever it is) is really gunna do a number on 'em...... :-\
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I guess though you don't have to.
Vintage is Vintage.
This isn't a new class, it's just somewhere for guys to talk about old bikes that AREN'T vintage. That's my point. It's pretty clear that no-one wants vintage muddied by Pre 90/95 just yet even though some clubs will run events for those bikes. I suppose in time things may change. But the new site is just a forum, no more. And it should take a lot of the Pre 90/95 heat out of OzVMX with any luck.
So, if you want to get some info about your 88 YZ250 or 94 Super Tenere or your 98 XR400, Retro Dirt Bike is a good place to start.
But if you want to talk vintage, it's OzVMX. And if you want to race Vintage, well, you can! Just not on that 98 XR400...
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great to see the first small steps taken, well done Nathan and Graeme.
to the word retro, well it dosnt mean anything in MX terms, ( a bit gay really) can i say that?
how about, Revolution or" post classic mx". says what it is.
lets see if we can get to 20 pages for a name!
Cheers Trev
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Oh. Ok. I missed the whole premiss. It's great idea. Seeya Nath (let me know if you wanna sell the VR). Seeya boys......
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What about OZvmx the sequeal or Not VMX :-\ Call it what you like :) its great that you blokes have stepped up and created a site for somthing you are passionette about :)
Good luck with your new site , hopefully it will mean and end to postings on here about pre 90 or my pet hate headings that start with NOT VMX BUT >:(
All the best with the new site , i look forward to being a lurker ;)
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Geez, where were you guys when I was trying to think of a name for this thing. RevolutionMX isn't bad at all either. Still, the site is about ALL dirtbikes of the time, not necessarily MX.
As for my passion, well... I was riding streetbikes and discovering VMX in the 90s. I thought all those camo seat covers and fluoro tanks were a bit, ummm... you know. So, I know nuthink about 90s MX. But it was clear that there is a need for something like this site, and here it is.
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Geez, where were you guys when I was trying to think of a name for this thing.
It's not too late to change… MMX [Millenium MotoCross]. :D
There would be a small touch of irony if Ken came up with the name. ;)
The bottom line: the more blokes out there on old motorbikes the better. And if you can argue about that then you are too old!! 8)
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Seeya Nath (let me know if you wanna sell the VR). Seeya boys......
The pre-85 bikes in my shed outnumber the post-84 bikes about 4:1, so you won't be rid of me that easily...
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See what happens when you tell people to fork off and start their own thing, they sometimes do. :o
What about R.O.R.
Revolution Off Road
hopefully it will mean and end to postings on here about pre 90 or my pet hate headings that start with NOT VMX BUT >:(
Actually here is a good place to ask for help on that non VMX technical or parts problem as I consider the brains trust on here quite wise.
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Yet another forum! :o
It's a shame that you felt that you couldn't discuss these kind of things here. Pre 90 is a reality in Victoria (VIPER), and the sky hasn't fallen in...
Anyway I've joined (hell, I sit at a computer all day, if you created a forum about clothes pegs I'd probably join). I'm over 40 but I like a lot of bikes from that era. Lurid, fluoro graphics rule!
Tex
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If people outside of the VMX community (can I still call it that?) weren't confused before, they certainly will be now....... :-[ :-\
I'm with ya 414.Though its people perception of vmx as a whole..if they are interested, they wil take the time to listen, understand and eventually maybe get involved..
Yesterday for example I spoke to two people one about 35ish..he kept calling it Evo :o Like its a pre85 club :-\..I didnt argue cause he took the time out to talk the talk ;D thought I did mention the next PRE85 event ;D and the second a 68 yr old...didnt have a clue until I mentioned the word scrambles and he had been around bikes for 68 years.
ps this is not just a WA attribute either. ;D
Its got its time and place ..enjoy your 90's+
cheers
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Why do we continually get Heaven this and Heaven that on the forum.
I don't think its heathy for the club full stop.
just my opinion-weather you wanted it or not ;D
cheers
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Why do we continually get Heaven this and Heaven that on the forum.
I don't think its heathy for the club full stop.
I wouldn't have mentioned HEAVEN at all except for the email I got this morning indicating an attempted coup this weekend.
I think it's quite relevant to the situation. Good old club politics at work ;D.
Yes well,,i woudnt dare tell you about the break away club happening with in our club over here....Just you wait and see the new Pre65 club rock :D ;) ;) ;D
cheers
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is it a black dog with white spots or is it a white dog with black spots? to the dog it dosnt matter, but to the owner it makes all the differance in the world.
after watching on any sunday again, it just points out, it is really about the people of our sport.
Cheers Worms
Shoey enters stage left!
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is it a black dog with white spots or is it a white dog with black spots? to the dog it dosnt matter, but to the owner it makes all the differance in the world.
after watching on any sunday again, it just points out, it is really about the people of our sport.
Cheers Worms
Shoey enters stage left!
Dead right Trev ;D Rogers book CD7 captures just how cool the people in this sport are :)
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Trev and Bill are so right...it's indeed the people that make VMX so good. I've just removed another rant over what I think is wrong with the sport from this because it dawned on me that we need to concentrate on the positives we as individuals get out of the sport and not get involved in other folks dreams. My objecting to pre 95 isn't going to make diddley difference as to whether it comes in or not so I'll concentrate on what makes me happy instead. This is a time of change in our sport but for every change introduced we need to counter it with strengthening what already exists...the end result being a more solid all round sport.
There are strong and sensible plans afoot to reinvigorate the pre '75/78 scene in Sydney. The people involved are experienced true believers who know what it takes to get things moving for the future. It's going to take a few short months to set the ball rolling but at least it's started. Pre '75/78 is a long way from dead yet.
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I look forward to reinvigoration of 78/75 in NSW, Firko. Hope it comes to pass, I remember you had hoped to get that going a little while back.
I know you removed your post, but as far as the plans behind the scenes, believe me there are none. I believe that true Vintage MX is more about a particular time, to whit the time prior to 1978, although I guess for me it extends to about 1980-ish. What I'd hoped to do was to preserve that concept but allow the pre 95/90 thing into the fold within a solid set of guidelines. It was discussed here on the forum, and the thrust of comments was that wasn't wanted. Many suggested that in time it would happen formally, and for now it is happening informally as Worms and others have pointed out.
So, that's fine.
But I don't want OzVMX bogged down with this kind of discussion, and nor do I want people starting to fill threads with discussion about bikes, events, times and people from 1990, or 1995 or whatever. Sure the occasional question about a 1988 CR500 is OK, but what if that became the norm? I for one have no interest. I DON'T want Pre 90/95 stuff on OzVMX to be honest.
Maybe in time that'll happen, just as the formalisation of those classes may happen.
BUT. Right now, I still believe there is an interest in that period. so, the site has no other aim than to provide a forum for people with an interest in old dirtbikes of any sort made after 1985. that's it.
If you don't want to be part of it, then don't.
Can't see as how it'll have any effect on anything really, other than maybe encouraging more people to become involved in the scene.
No conspiracies here.
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No conspiracies here.
Damn it. Conspiracy theories are one of my favourite things in life.
Can't beat a good 'grassy knoll' 8)
And as for the 'old boys' who are not happy, or maybe just a bit disgruntled, at this whole pre90/95 discussion. Just look back through the previous postings where the majority of you told Nathan et al. to get out and do something… Well they took your advice and the new forum could well be the first stage in the MMX movement.
If that is the case, then good luck to them. The worst case senario is that the pre90/95 discussion should disappear from OzVMX, and that is probably a good thing too.
No losers as far as I can see…
Graeme was ahead of his time with OzVMX, so let's see if he can spread the magic to pre90/95. He has my vote. ;)
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I look forward to reinvigoration of 78/75 in NSW, Firko. Hope it comes to pass, I remember you had hoped to get that going a little while back.
Graeme.......The previous attempts to get a pre '75 register up and operating were nipped in the bud by some terminal computer problems that were closely followed by some coincidental personal dramas in the lives of those involved which put an end to the momentum behind it. There had been some talk of reviving the concept but the original format proved to have some inherent problems causing it to end up in the too hard basket.
As in the previous concept I've been approached by other interested parties to help them formalise a plan to get pre '75 and pre '78 back on deck as a viable and exciting VMX category. The project is only a couple of weeks old so it'd be unwise of me to openly discuss too much detail at this early stage but some of the ideas are to incorporate a couple of pre '78 dirt tracks, a couple of grass track style motocross meetings and possibly one or two pre '85 Vinduros. There are a couple of obstacles in the way at the moment but time and some work by those who proposed the idea should see the basics up and running some time early next year. Like anything, a concept is only as good as the people who support it so lets hope those who are sitting back because they're unhappy with the way the older classes have been treated in recent years can come back and support the folks who hope to make this a reality.
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Tho I was a bit concerned the other day when I noticed Nathan weighs the same as a duck!
Is he a witch??? (my apologies to Monty Python)
More people on bikes is always a good thing and having a forum dedicated to a particular sector isn't going to hurt things - not from my Pre 75 side of things!
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No the witch is a duck, and coincidentally both of them combined weigh twice as much as Nathan.
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Sure the occasional question about a 1988 CR500 is OK, but what if that became the norm? I for one have no interest. I DON'T want Pre 90/95 stuff on OzVMX to be honest.
Oh really, well please excuse my ignorance, I wasn’t aware that Pre 90 talk wasn’t welcome here.
I always thought this site was more of a National site and not just based on NSW ideals.
Might have to change my avatar.
Will one Era affect another? I doubt it.
Pre 75 or Pre95, you either love them or hate them,
I doubt Pre75 lovers will suddenly park their bikes because something newer is around the corner.
And those into the younger classes would probably never consider Pre 75 either.
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Geeze... doesn't matter which way you go you upset someone, eh? ;D
My comment about pre 90 on OzVMX is from my own personal point of view. I'm just not that interested. That doesn't mean that I will suddenly prohibit any such discussion on OzVMX.
Am I forgiven now?
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Sure the occasional question about a 1988 CR500 is OK, but what if that became the norm? I for one have no interest. I DON'T want Pre 90/95 stuff on OzVMX to be honest.
Oh really, well please excuse my ignorance, I wasn’t aware that Pre 90 talk wasn’t welcome here.
I always thought this site was more of a National site and not just based on NSW ideals.
Might have to change my avatar.
Will one Era affect another? I doubt it.
Pre 75 or Pre95, you either love them or hate them,
I doubt Pre75 lovers will suddenly park their bikes because something newer is around the corner.
And those into the younger classes would probably never consider Pre 75 either.
Geoff,
I don't think that anybody [especially me] meant that pre90/95 was no longer welcome here. But the thread that precipitated the new Retro forum did tend to dominate OzVMX for a few weeks - and I think that those are the threads that will now disappear from this forum. Not by being banned, just a natural shift in focus to the new forum.
Personally anybody who has an old 'motorbike' question should feel encouraged to ask it and take advantage of the wide ranging 'brains trust' that lurks on these pages. I just like motorcycles - the sharing of knowledge on that subject is fascinating to me - and OzVMX is the best place to go for interesting posts.
And let's not forget the joy that is an OzVMX meandering thread - God only knows where it will go next… Freeform magic!!!!!
VMX42
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Now all we need is to get Ji's TAFE courses back on board and we're off and running. ;)
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all im reading is pre75 and pre78 [the protected ones] and then the jump to pre90/95.where is evo going to fit in ?
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all im reading is pre75 and pre78 [the protected ones] and then the jump to pre90/95.where is evo going to fit in ?
And this is what I am afraid of.
The coming division in NSW is not going to help either side. This is why I am so keen to see HEAVEN embrace the next eras of bikes. In no way do I think that the introduction of pre '90 should be to the detriment of the earlier classes. That facts are that pre '78 and earlier classes in NSW seem to be going in ever diminishing circles and if we hitch our wagon to them without a plan to reinvigorate them in some way we will be in for troubled times.
Quite simply I personally can't see an answer for getting pre '78 and earlier bikes back to where they were. Firko hints that moves are underway to remedy the situation and I wish him and his cohorts the very best of luck. Until then I stand by my opinion that HEAVEN needs to look to the future. This is even more important if a revitalised vintage group gains a foothold.
Cheers
Shaun
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I wouldn't have mentioned HEAVEN at all except for the email I got this morning indicating an attempted coup this weekend.
I think it's quite relevant to the situation. Good old club politics at work ;D.
I know as a respected journalist you would never divulge your source Firko. However I would advise that you check your facts before publishing such errant nonsense.
The facts are.
I drafted a letter to the committee requesting a special general meeting to consider a proposal that the clubs constitution be changed to allow the introduction of later classes at the will of the membership. The changes pertain to amendments made in 2007 to the original constitution. This letter was signed by 21 other members and met the requirements of the constitution regarding such a request.
There is no coup. The meeting this weekend, while discussing the motion, can not and will not have any bearing on subsequently having a vote. I am quite happy to provide any further information regarding this matter. Just ask. Further may I suggest you tell your correspondent that mischievous emails do nothing to add to the debate and only serve to cause grief where it is not needed.
Cheers
Shaun
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I wouldn't have mentioned HEAVEN at all except for the email I got this morning indicating an attempted coup this weekend.
I think it's quite relevant to the situation. Good old club politics at work ;D.
This makes my skin crawl.
Sending out (apparently misleading) emails to rally the troops is all good, but putting things back on the club's agenda through the proper channels is "club politics"?
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Nathan and Grahame
Well done guys. A natural progression as I see it, just as day follows night or some on this forum may say night follows day.
I raced 78 to 81, so no interest in the new site at all, went "cold turkey" for nearly 30 years so cannot relate to the "Retro bikes" or riders for that matter. That said, I also have no interest in pre-77 either as it is not my era (all be it short) either.
All I know is it is great to have a forum that facilitates interest and information from guys that know so much about their time involved with dirt bikes, whatever the era.
Good luck, sure it will go well.
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Quite simply I personally can't see an answer for getting pre '78 and earlier bikes back to where they were.
Firko hints that moves are underway to remedy the situation and I wish him and his cohorts the very best of luck. Until then I stand by my opinion that HEAVEN needs to look to the future. This is even more important if a revitalised vintage group gains a foothold.
Cheers
Shaun
Shaun, you may well be right that we may never see the big numbers on the start line of those (pre75/78) eras but by your thinking of "my opinion that HEAVEN needs to look to the future is even more important if a revitalised vintage group gains a foothold. Do you not want to see pre75/78 contribute to the sport in Heaven?
Their are many ways to get growth back into a sport. If the older members dont wish to "race" anymore maybe a class of 'all in pre75/78' free riding could entice people to bring their bikes back.
By 'free riding' I dont mean not paying, I mean like classic dirt. But the entry fee could reflect that its not racing.
How about a couple of non-racing rides on pre75/78 bikes for newcomers, friends, families such as father/son non-racing rides to promote the older bikes.
I have yet to have met anyone that likes riding motorcycles who hates an old bike when they are riding around on it.
Graeme, your's and Nathan's idea on the new RetroMX forum is a positive step forward to communicating with a new bunch of guys who love dirtbikes/motocross and all things in that period of time that for allot of us looked upon those bikes as more 'tools for the trade' rather than 'tools that made the trade'. I hope the forum is well supported.
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DJ we currently have a situation where due to the lack of numbers of pre '78 riders at HEAVEN events we have serious issues with regards to flag marshal duties for the later era's at many HEAVEN events. Even to the point where people are flagging their own classes of racing. They do this for the good of the club. And I simply think that if we continue along this path we will start loosing them as well.
I certainly want to see pre75/78 contribute to the sport in Heaven and in fact I would like to see even greater numbers do such a thing.
However I am a realist.
If HEAVEN was a vibrant pre '78 club believe me you would not hear a word from me. However in my opinion the past three years has seen the club on a path of self destruction. At the moment numbers are good if you amortise it over the whole season.
But! If you drill down and look at numbers round-by-round you will see that without EVO and later classes the club would cease to exist at most rounds. My point is a new movement with a focus on later classes will, in my opinion, drag the later bikes, EVO and Pre '85, towards it. Thus leaving HEAVEN with attrition in its healthiest classes and no plan for its future VMX vision.
Cheers
Shaun
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Thanks DJ. Like I said earlier, the spin off may be that we may switch on a whole lot of new blood to the older classes as well.
As for Pre 78 in NSW, to me the answer is have more suitable events. I think we need more than just MX racing on modern-ish tracks. Some more low key grasstrack/natural terrain events would be great, plus some dirt track. I'd like to see some novelty events too. Surely it can't only be me that is sick of the endless capacity/era classes. Look at the Canowindra event this coming weekend. Age classes, run over 5 rounds, on a simple twisty little grasstrack. What a perfect format for Pre 78. And what about the teams event at Kemble years ago? Stuff like that where you can race, have fun, not wear yourself and your bike out, and do something DIFFERENT!
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Thanks DJ. Like I said earlier, the spin off may be that we may switch on a whole lot of new blood to the older classes as well.
As for Pre 78 in NSW, to me the answer is have more suitable events. I think we need more than just MX racing on modern-ish tracks. Some more low key grasstrack/natural terrain events would be great, plus some dirt track. I'd like to see some novelty events too. Surely it can't only be me that is sick of the endless capacity/era classes. Look at the Canowindra event this coming weekend. Age classes, run over 5 rounds, on a simple twisty little grasstrack. What a perfect format for Pre 78. And what about the teams event at Kemble years ago? Stuff like that where you can race, have fun, not wear yourself and your bike out, and do something DIFFERENT!
hallelujah!!!!!
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Graeme has hit the nail on the head here.
In my humble opinion this is exactly what is needed to revitalise VMX in NSW. And yes I mean VMX not RMX :)
Can anyone out there suggest venues or events that might be suitable. Or if you have pre'78 bikes and aren't currently competing regularly at HEAVEN rounds. What would you like to see? What would entice you to do more?
Cheers
Shaun
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That's almost comical
"A new chat room is going to fix it"
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Ya gotta keep up 83Husky. Sugar isn't referring to the new forum. He's agreeing with my suggestions about how to encourage more participation in Pre 78 Vintage, which comes from what Firko wrote earlier. OK, so we've gone off track a bit...
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Yeh right
You people keep hitting the nails .
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"A new chat room is going to fix it"
Fix what?
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You're not making sense Walter.
The RDB forum is specifically intended to seperate the newer stuff out from the pre-85 because people (including you) refused to acept them as part of VMX.
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You're not making sense Walter.
The RDB forum is specifically intended to seperate the newer stuff out from the pre-85.
Amen. That's what I thought it was for!
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Fix what
Fix what you and your group appear to think requires revitisation.
Perhaps with the proposed requisition for changes to the most active vintage club in NSW you could include a resume to the members for a comittee position , outlining your intentions for the club and the VMX community.
Dont forget to include the locations and all your contacts for the grass tracks we are using next year.
It would be sensational to see you actually do something rather than just endlessly talking about.
My guess is , you will keep talking and some else will keep doin.
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That's right. Walter and others you got what you wanted and the pre'90/'95 debate now belongs on another forum.
Now can we get back to what I posted about this morning which is asking for input and ideas on how to get pre'78 racing in NSW strong again?
Cheers
Shaun
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Dont forget to include the locations and all your contacts for the grass tracks we are using next year.
Everyone knows that the club would love more grass tracks, but has so far failed to locate any additional venues.
(FYI) I spoke to Dan earlier in the year about a possible venue I'd identified for grasstrack & vinduro.
But what has this got to do with pre-90?
Plus what Sugar said. If the real problem is that pre-78 is weak, then let's work on that.
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Fix what
Fix what you and your group appear to think requires revitisation.
Perhaps with the proposed requisition for changes to the most active vintage club in NSW you could include a resume to the members for a comittee position , outlining your intentions for the club and the VMX community.
Dont forget to include the locations and all your contacts for the grass tracks we are using next year.
It would be sensational to see you actually do something rather than just endlessly talking about.
My guess is , you will keep talking and some else will keep doin.
Um I stood for, and was unsuccessful, at gaining a committee position at last year's AGM. At the time my intentions for the club were made well known. I am here asking for suggestions on grass tracks and anything else pre'78 riders would like to see in the future of the club as I feel that what the club currently offers may be missing the mark at the moment. I do not believe this is anyone's fault. and I know there are no easy fixes.
Perhaps you may like to put a name to your post so that everyone can see where all this positive and constructive input is coming from?
Cheers
Shaun
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I think everyone should settle down and consider who's saying what. The comment I made about revitalising Pre 78 is nothing to do with HEAVEN. Firko, a couple of pages back, said he was planning to do something to help get Pre 78 back on its feet in NSW. I don't think he was implying anything to do with HEAVEN. I commented with what I reckon would be attractive to me as a Pre 78 competitor. Sugar agreed. Whether he meant in the context of HEAVEN I have no idea.
Now, the RDB forum is not meant to do anything in respect to HEAVEN, VIPER, WAVMX or anyone at all. It's just somewhere people can talk about the later bikes without getting jumped on as happens here. End of story.
If we wish to continue discussing Pre 78 and what can be done for that in NSW, in the context of Firko's suggestion, then I'll split this thread off into a new topic. And 83Husky, I'm not quite sure where you are coming from. Perhaps I misunderstood your email from a couple of days ago? Or is there some background HEAVEN politics thing I don't know about?
Anyways, are we wanting to talk pre 78 now?
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I think everyone should settle down and consider who's saying what. The comment I made about revitalising Pre 78 is nothing to do with HEAVEN. Firko, a couple of pages back, said he was planning to do something to help get Pre 78 back on its feet in NSW. I don't think he was implying anything to do with HEAVEN. I commented with what I reckon would be attractive to me as a Pre 78 competitor. Sugar agreed. Whether he meant in the context of HEAVEN I have no idea.
Now, the RDB forum is not meant to do anything in respect to HEAVEN, VIPER, WAVMX or anyone at all. It's just somewhere people can talk about the later bikes without getting jumped on as happens here. End of story.
If we wish to continue discussing Pre 78 and what can be done for that in NSW, in the context of Firko's suggestion, then I'll split this thread off into a new topic. And 83Husky, I'm not quite sure where you are coming from. Perhaps I misunderstood your email from a couple of days ago? Or is there some background HEAVEN politics thing I don't know about?
Anyways, are we wanting to talk pre 78 now?
Graeme yes I'm sorry I was talking in the context of what affects me in NSW. If what you suggest should relate to HEAVEN is up to the membership. If you could split it into another thread that would be good as I think it is a discussion well worth having.
Quote: "Perhaps I misunderstood your email from a couple of days ago? Or is there some background HEAVEN politics thing I don't know about?"
Yes 83Husky please tell us all about the content of your email. And while your at it maybe you could also tell us all who you are.
Cheers
Shaun
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Sugar,
Youse a baaaad boy.
Nice to see someone else take some heat. Sad to see so much BS thrown when all you want to do is increase membership. I mean isn't that what its designed for - the club I mean, membership? More members = more ca$h to do more things = enough people to help make the day go smoother etc.
One word - Hawkesbury
Love you long time soldier boy,
ER