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Marque Remarks => Spaniards (Bultaco, Ossa, Montesa etc) => Topic started by: montman on September 25, 2010, 06:09:08 am

Title: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: montman on September 25, 2010, 06:09:08 am: Just to get an idea of where vg/vf/ve monts are but mainly interested in the VG's.

1981 414VG engine/frame No 2765 white tank (restored)
1981 414VG engine/frame No 2743 yellow tank (to be restored)
1981 414VG engine No 2695 yellow tank (restored no frame number,special modified ex works riders?)
1981 414VG engine/frame No 2694 yellow tank (to be restored)
1981 414VG engine/frame No 2663 yellow tank (to be restored)
1981 414VG engine/frame No 2656 yellow tank (to be restored)
1981 414VG engine No 2636 white tank (restored in a 250VG frame No 73m 15977 ex spanish dealers works rider)

1979 414VE engine/frame No 1967 mustard/green tank (restored)

1980 250VF engine No 15508 yellow tank (restored in 414VG frame No 66mo 2724)
1980 250VF engine/frame No 15398 yellow tank (to be restored)

1979 250VE engine/frame No 13531 mustard/green tank (restored)

Engines only 414VG 1981 No 2674
414VG 1981 No 2669
250VE 1979 No 13499
125V? 19?? No 38mo 3060
All are in my ownership and are in the UK.Can anyone add to these to build up an idea of numbers left and where located.
Title: Re: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: montynut on September 26, 2010, 08:29:18 pm: VF250 & VG414 (yellow tank) in NSW
Title: Re: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: montman on September 27, 2010, 01:01:27 am: Thanks montynut i take it they are both your bikes if so engine/frame numbers would be useful to try and fill in gaps between numbers of my bikes or pm me with details as i am trying to build a database of the VE/VF/VG monts so we know how many have survived and where they are,do not want addresses for obvious reasons just where in the world they are.Am i asking to much and perhaps someone has done this already would be nice to know.
Title: Re: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: 414VG on September 27, 2010, 04:03:54 am: 2617 frame and engine 414VG
2657 frame, 2756 engine 414VG
2711 frame and engine 414VG
2739 frame and engine. 414VG
All yellow tanks.

Sandy
Title: Re: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: cappra on September 27, 2010, 02:01:16 pm: 1-VF414 66M 02406
1-VF414 66M 02425
1-VG250 73M 16091

Jared
Title: Re: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: montman on September 27, 2010, 06:00:45 pm: Thanks 414Vg and cappra, added to list am trying to find forums in other counties to ask elsewhere but difficult at the moment.
Title: Re: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: 414VG on September 27, 2010, 06:15:20 pm: I posted the same subject on a spanish forum called TuMotoVerde. One reply a user called "Penalver has a
414VG serial number 66M02639.

Sandy
Title: Re: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: montynut on September 27, 2010, 06:31:46 pm: 73M15567 - VF250 engine and frame
66M02619 - VG414 engine and frame
66M0960 - VB360 frame no engine number (new crank cases)
Title: Re: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: dutchtwinshock on September 28, 2010, 04:50:11 am: frame 66M02472
frame 66M0040
engine 73M9856
engine 73M12545
engine and frame 67M71079
Title: Re: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: montman on September 28, 2010, 09:24:37 am: HI dutchtwinshock do i take it that you have 2 250 engines in 2 360/414 frames?,the one looks like it is a 414VF number frame, is the other one a 360 frame?.

Thanks montynut for your details.

Whats happend to all things 414 he's got some monts.

I have emailed juardo in spain to see if there is any responce over there am also trying in the UK.MY wife visited a bike museum in spain last year and they had a few monts on show so i am trying to get in touch with them to see if they can help this might all fall flat on its face but i will keep on trying :) :)
Title: Re: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: All Things 414 on September 28, 2010, 09:50:13 am: I'll get out in the shed later and write 'em down...... :-[
Title: Re: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: Dinsdale on October 23, 2010, 03:00:15 am: VF414 Frame and Eng No's 66MO 2504 in West Cornwall. By the way, any idea what the (F) after the Eng No means?
Title: Re: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: montman on October 23, 2010, 03:23:10 am: Hi Dinsdale

Thanks for the details when you say F do you mean the F after the 414 if so that means it is a 1980 bike (VE meant 1979/VG 1981).
There is no F after the engine number or should'nt be but you have got me interested. ;) :P
Title: Re: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: Hoony on October 23, 2010, 08:03:17 am: Factory ;)
Title: Re: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: cappra on October 23, 2010, 08:59:57 am: My engine numbers also have an F stamped at the end.
Title: Re: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: Captain Bilko on October 23, 2010, 09:19:24 am: My VF's have the 'f' on the end. Maybe Hoony's right..... ;)
Title: Re: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: montman on October 23, 2010, 10:11:38 am: Just checked my 250VE/VF's and 414VE/VG's and none of them have a letter stamped after the engine number,perhaps its something that montesa did just for the 414VF's? if this is the case it would only be for the 414VF as my 250VF's do not have it.

maybe it was the phantom F stamper ;D ;D.

It would be interesting to find out why but i think maybe we will never know or can someone else shed light on it.
Title: Re: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: cappra on October 23, 2010, 11:31:00 am: (http://www.southwestmontesa.com/ebay/numbers.jpg)
Title: Re: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: montman on October 24, 2010, 04:11:55 am: Checked again after seeing Jareds photo and i still can not see any marks like that after the engine number on any of my bikes even when using a magnifying glass.

Sandy/Montynut have yours got that mark?
Title: Re: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: Captain Bilko on October 24, 2010, 02:39:59 pm: (http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee74/All_things_414/DSCN1359.jpg)

(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee74/All_things_414/DSCN1360.jpg)

66M01806

(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee74/All_things_414/DSCN1361.jpg)

(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee74/All_things_414/DSCN1362.jpg)

66M02168f

(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee74/All_things_414/DSCN1363.jpg)

(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee74/All_things_414/DSCN1364.jpg)

66M01806f
(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee74/All_things_414/DSCN1365.jpg)
Title: Re: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: montman on October 24, 2010, 07:57:04 pm: Very nice Ross :P
Title: Re: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: montynut on October 24, 2010, 09:48:25 pm: None of mine have the 'F' after the engine number.

Ross all three of your bikes seem to have the front brake backing plate with the actuating arm facing backwards as the VB series with the cable keep on the backing plate. My VF250 has the arm pointing forward with the cable keep on the brake torque arm. Is that the original brake setup on all your bikes?

Montesa seemed to change that set up regularly. I know my VF250 front brake is much better than the VB front brake. Just wondering if that may be the reason?
Title: Re: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: Captain Bilko on October 25, 2010, 08:04:08 am: That's how they come from the factory Greg. I did run the front brake set up the other way around using the arm off my H7 for a few years. I can't say I noticed a huge difference. If I use good shoes and keep everything clean they seem to pull up (sorta). ;)
Title: Re: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: montman on October 29, 2010, 06:06:42 am: Mine(250VF's and 414VG's) all have the arm pointing forward with cable keep on the brake torque arm but my 414VE and 250VE have the arm facing backwards with the cable keep on the brake backing plate all as from the factory.Don't know about the 414VF as i do not have one(not yet anyway)so did they change between the 250VF and the 414VF (re forward and backwards facing brake arms?).
Title: Re: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: SPANISH ARMADA on December 26, 2010, 09:46:32 pm: vf 414 engine no 02379f mine definatley has the f word attached to it bit late for chrismas so happy new year to all p.s no parts yet jared ?? still hopeing cheers chris
Title: Re: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: montman on January 27, 2011, 06:56:28 am: Update on numbers.

Disappointing is the word it seems that in today's society people are scared to mention what bikes they have for fear of some d---head finding out and relieving them of them.Since i started this thread in September the only numbers i have are the ones on here plus about six others they must be out there its just that people are not aware they are still wanted,in fact i came across a 414Vg white tank joby by accident just before Christmas when i was collecting something else i tried to buy it but the guy was not interested (and yes i do have first go at it when he is selling).But i see that i am not the only one to ask for numbers of 414 montesa bikes and probably wont be the last still doesn't hurt to keep trying.
Title: Re: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: Captain Bilko on January 27, 2011, 07:07:01 am: Well...... Being mostly an Australian site, you're not going to get a lot of numbers. Only 21 ve/vf 414's came to Oz. Add about another 4 Vg's then subtract the ones that ended up in the bin and it doesn't leave many left over. Take into account that the sane people that own them keep away from the forum plus the fact that over the three years that they were produced less than 1000 were made, then you're probably lucky to get the numbers from here, that you did.
Title: Re: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: montman on January 27, 2011, 07:14:10 am: Its not just this site that i tried to find out from UK/Spain/USA/Holland were other countries i tried but i have to say i got more response from this one.Just thought i would let the people that replied know and thanks.
Title: Re: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: Doggy Digger on January 27, 2011, 11:13:39 am: I have the ghost of a 670 orange Cappra burnt into my heart. (No part number)
Title: Re: just to get the ball rolling Montesa vg/vf/ve
Post by: simon414 on February 22, 2012, 08:19:03 am: 1980 414VF engine/frame No 66m02532f yellow tank (on with been restored)