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Marque Remarks => Spaniards (Bultaco, Ossa, Montesa etc) => Topic started by: TT on August 14, 2010, 10:19:58 am

Title: Montesa Advice
Post by: TT on August 14, 2010, 10:19:58 am
Can someone give me an idea what I've just bought?  :D
Here's a couple of photos:

(http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr37/Tony_T12/DSCF8486web.jpg)

(http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr37/Tony_T12/DSCF8480web.jpg)

I'd appreciate any info like year and model etc etc.
Are the forks correct? They don't look quite right to me, but I wouldn't know........  ::)
Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: GMC on August 14, 2010, 10:33:30 am
Can someone give me an idea what I've just bought?  :D

Yes, you've brought a Montesa ;D
Your really getting into the old stuff now Tony.

Looks to my untrained Spanish eye like a H6 enduro.
Perfect for Harrow next year if it is.
Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: mx250 on August 14, 2010, 10:47:29 am
(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/montesa/montesaenduro3.gif)

Don't ask me the actual year and model designation - I find it all very confusing. Jared might be along shortly to help out.

Nice pick up - looks fairly original including the forks.



Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: vmx42 on August 14, 2010, 11:01:35 am
All I can ask Tony is… WHAT'S NEXT?  :o
Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: cappra on August 14, 2010, 01:37:32 pm
1977/79  Enduro 250 H6  (54M)  Production run of 2700.
Correct leading axle Betor forks.

                                                     Viva! Jared
                                                     S/W Montesa
Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: TT on August 14, 2010, 02:21:11 pm
Excellent! Thanks Jared.
Once I've actually got it, is there a way to tell which year it is by numbers etc?

All I can ask Tony is… WHAT'S NEXT?  :o

Well, now that you mention it............ I always thought the Ancillotti Scarab 250 looked really cool. Tall, with that little tank.............  ;)
Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: cappra on August 14, 2010, 03:43:25 pm
Nailing down the exact year is tough.
I suppose a low number would indicate an earlier
model, but I can't say where the break would be at.
Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: All Things 414 on August 14, 2010, 04:04:08 pm
I love Monty mxers but the model designations for the Enduros do my head in! ???
Having a down pipe I thought that would have to be from around '77. But with the leading axle forks I'd be thinking later. But later on they didn't have leading axle at all. Later on again, (H7) they had leading again! ??? ???

Those shocks look really laid forward like on a VA ('76). Didn't the later model enduro shocks ('79) stand more vertical like on the Cappras?

Sorry Tony. I didn't mean to confuse. It's all so.........confusing. When you get some engine numbers put them up.
Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: paco on August 14, 2010, 04:32:49 pm
Yeah Tony,the compliance plate says its a, 1978 [september] m54,250 enduro.paul.
Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: paco on August 14, 2010, 04:39:04 pm
Back again,the engine number is.54m06466.paul
Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: TT on August 14, 2010, 05:10:58 pm
Well there you go. Why didn't I just ask you??  :D
Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: mx250 on August 14, 2010, 11:11:13 pm
I love Monty mxers but the model designations for the Enduros do my head in! ???
Having a down pipe I thought that would have to be from around '77. But with the leading axle forks I'd be thinking later. But later on they didn't have leading axle at all. Later on again, (H7) they had leading again! ??? ???

Those shocks look really laid forward like on a VA ('76). Didn't the later model enduro shocks ('79) stand more vertical like on the Cappras?

Sorry Tony. I didn't mean to confuse. It's all so.........confusing. When you get some engine numbers put them up.
Ross, you don't know what a relief it is to hear both you and Jared having probs with the Enduro's  ;D - it seems Montesa played mix and match with available parts and there does not appear to be a progression in the development from model to model during the late 70's   ::) - and the model designation doesn't help much  :P.
Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: TT on August 29, 2010, 11:17:45 pm
Ok, I've got the baby home and I've already got questions.......  ::)
It's got tonnes of compression and selects all gears, so that's promising!  ;D
It looks like it hasn't done a lot of work. e.g. original stickers on the fork legs, little plastic plugs in the frame, rear wheel speedo drive working, pipe in excellent condition, seat cover has only one small tear...........
Anyway, to start off with, can anyone suggest a source for an original pipe guard/bash plate or repro item?
It's also got the stock Amal carb. Is that bad? Anything I need to know? I notice Drakie running a Mikuni.  :-\
Also, it came with a metal headlight with the metal blackets that mount on the fork legs. Every other 77-79 250 enduro I've seen has a headlight with a plastic surround/number plate. Any suggestions there? Is it likely to be original?
No doubt, many more questions to come. Thanks in advance.  ;D
Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: mx250 on August 30, 2010, 07:00:03 am
For fibreglass bits,

http://www.rpmsfiberglass.com/

(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/montesa/0000-5058-4Montesa-Enduro-250-Motorcycle-Posters.jpg)

This style headlight were metal. What you have is not a variation is it?

I'm not expert but I know some who are familiar with the Amals reckon they get a bad rap, especially the early model ones. One of the attraction of the Mikuni's is that they are well known with spares and jets readily available. Lots of people have swap Mikuni's for Amals and Bings etc over the years and there is probably a lot of advice readily available.
Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: TT on August 30, 2010, 08:26:15 am
Thanks Graeme,
Yeah that looks like the headlight/speedo combo I've got. Might be another case of Montesa fitting whatever they had in the parts bin at the time?
I guess I'll see how it runs before worrying too much about the Amal.
Drakie's seems to run clean, so it won't be hard to get the Mikuni info off him if need be.
Just got to find some time to do all this stuff now.  :)
Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: mx250 on August 30, 2010, 09:53:11 am
The Plastic Headlight covers are available - bit ex'y   :P.

http://solomontesa.com/tienda/product_info.php?cPath=53&products_id=409&osCsid=1a369a59d715eb6ac1b9a8cea2c5ebab

Look through this site and you might find some bits you will be after - make sure you are sitting down with a fibulator handy ;) :D.

Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: TT on August 30, 2010, 10:26:30 am
Thanks again, Graeme.
I know I'm supposed to be working but I couldn't help myself, I had to see if it ran. It does!  ;D
The engine feels really tight and doesn't rattle however..................
The air screw's gone astray from the Amal carby so you can imagine the speed it 'idled' at!  :o
Just need to get me hands on one of those and try again, but it all looks really promising.  ;D
Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: TooFastTim on August 30, 2010, 10:46:00 am
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u194/TooFastTim/MCIMontesaTestPg1.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u194/TooFastTim/MCIMontesaTestPg2.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u194/TooFastTim/MCIMontesaTestPg3.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u194/TooFastTim/MCIMontesaTestPg4.jpg)
Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: TooFastTim on August 30, 2010, 10:49:27 am
And with an American accent:

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u194/TooFastTim/CGMontesaTestPg1.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u194/TooFastTim/CGMontesaTestPg2.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u194/TooFastTim/CGMontesaTestPg3.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u194/TooFastTim/CGMontesaTestPg4.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u194/TooFastTim/CGMontesaTestPg5.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u194/TooFastTim/CGMontesaTestPg6.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u194/TooFastTim/CGMontesaTestPg7.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u194/TooFastTim/CGMontesaTestPg8.jpg)
Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: Big John on August 30, 2010, 01:11:56 pm
I run still run an Amal carb on my 76 Monty with no drama's. If you need parts for the Amal contact Peter at Bultaco parts Australia. He has a good stock of parts and he is happy to give advice. he can also get montesa parts out of Spain but they are $$$$.
Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: TT on August 30, 2010, 06:25:12 pm
Thanks for all the info fellas. And for the scans, Tim.
Mine's a bit later than that model, but I think much of what they've written relates to mine.
I emailed Peter re. the air screw earlier today and I think Jared's got most of the other stuff I'll need as well.
So it may well end up being Vinduro - ready relatively soon.  ;D

I'm actually in two minds as to whether I do a restoration or just keep it for what it is. Especially as it seems to be quite original. Although I am leaning towards leaving it as is............. I think.................  ???
Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: All Things 414 on August 30, 2010, 06:44:40 pm
Leave it as it is. Trying to do a full resto on an enduro Mont would be a nightmare I reckon' (unless you live in Spain)..... :-[
Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: TT on August 30, 2010, 07:00:10 pm
That's something I've yet to learn about these things. But no doubt, I will!  :D
Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: GMC on August 30, 2010, 08:32:02 pm
I'm actually in two minds as to whether I do a restoration or just keep it for what it is. Especially as it seems to be quite original. Although I am leaning towards leaving it as is............. I think.................  ???

Leave it as it is Tony.
Vinduros are for riders, garage queens need not apply.

If you get too involved with restoring it you will only grow to hate the events for taking the gloss off everything you’ve worked to make shiny.
Besides you will just get carried away (as we all do) and the bike won’t see daylight for 12 months or more.

Do what needs doing to make it reliable and comfortable and enjoy the ride
Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: TT on August 30, 2010, 08:52:26 pm
Yeah, I do need to spend more time riding than in the shed.
I think if I had a nice up-pipe for it, it would make the ride that much more fun not worrying about mashing the original..........  ;)
Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: GMC on August 30, 2010, 09:01:42 pm
Yeah, I do need to spend more time riding than in the shed.
I think if I had a nice up-pipe for it, it would make the ride that much more fun not worrying about mashing the original..........  ;)

Ah yes, but I too need to spend more time riding than in the shed ;D
Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: TT on August 30, 2010, 09:08:25 pm
Ah yes, but I too need to spend more time riding than in the shed ;D

 :D Touche......
Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: paco on August 31, 2010, 06:51:00 am
I'm glad you are happy with the bike.The missing air screw,explains why it idled so fast.Mystery solved.The magazine  reveiwes are great. Thanks, too fast Tim.
Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: TT on August 31, 2010, 12:35:13 pm
Yeah, thanks again Paco.
It doesn't look like it's going to take a lot of money to turn it into a good ride.  ;D

So, did you drink all that grog on Saturdy night?   ;)
Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: paco on August 31, 2010, 06:23:43 pm
Over three days and it was very nice;thank you very much.paul
Title: Re: Montesa Advice
Post by: TT on August 31, 2010, 07:09:41 pm
Excellent! A top weekend for all then.  ;D