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Marketplace => eBay Finds => Topic started by: firko on August 13, 2010, 12:01:51 pm
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After some futile attempts to buy JoJos CR500 Honda last night I finally chucked it in as too hard. However for every lost opportunity, another eventually comes along, this one only a couple of hours later and is more geographically located to where my mate lives. $250 for a bike so clean, how could I refuse?
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/mx360.jpg)
FOR SALE
Ad # 3157287 August 12, 2010
1973 Yamaha MX360. Bike is basically all there, and the motor turns over. I have other parts for this bike in boxes. No shipping, must pick up. $250
Brian Miller
Spring Valley, CA
Phone: (619) 397-8454 | Email
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the grey ghost 8)
thats a sweet price firko.
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Brian the seller of the above beauty is also selling his fully prepped and restored race bike. He offered me both for $2000 so I'd imagine he wants $1750 for the A model . Looks like a nice piece of kit.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/006.jpg)
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THe yellow ones a 74 "A" model, the grey ones from 73 just are an mx. I like the look he has with the 360A forks, there kinda dull but even finish, you reckon thats bead blasted or similar ?
the grey one was a steal, specially if it has the carby and the ign in the box of stuff. The yellow ones nice but a bit pricey by the time its back here though.
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Hey Freaky , l reckon those forks may have a sisaled polish finish .
Tell you what , l reckon that MX360A is worth 4 grand over here , should owe you a little bit less than that by the time it gets here given that it is in Calif. I reckon they are a nice looking bike ,,,,,,,
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l reckon that MX360A is worth 4 grand over here
I was thinking $3000-$4000 too. The bike's a bargain that I didn't need but for that money, I couldn't let it go. It's 100% complete and largely unmolested. A quick frame powdercoat in the correct black and an engine tidy up will see it looking and going a treat. The MX series bikes are really good value race bikes, much better than their reputation would have them and the engine is one of the strongest and easiest to milk extra horses from in the pre '75 division. In addition I reckon they're one of the better looking pre '75 bikes.
There's been a lot of great bargains on Marks Swapmeet lately.
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Hey Firko , l am not saying the silver MX360 you bought is worth maybe 4 grand ( at the moment ) , l was talking about the yellow MXA . Having said that , the one you bought is a bargain . It will probably need a bit more doing to it than you think , but hey , that is right down your alley , cheers ,,,
PS ; l haven't forgotten about that seat , just been under the pump lately , but your name is clearly marked on it ,,, ;D
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Hey Firko , l am not saying the silver MX360 you bought is worth maybe 4 grand ( at the moment )
Yeah I realised that, I was talking up the potential of the silver one ;D. I spoke to the seller by 'phone a while ago and he reckons it's not too bad at all but does need paint and a bore. The paint job, in his words is a really good rattle can job and fine for a racer which translates to me as "a shit paint job" and needing a bore translating as "the motor's rooted" but that's what you'd expect in a $1000 rebuilder let alone a $250 cheapy. I've been doing this old bike thing for long enough not to take a bikes photo as an indication of its real condition. I'd agree with your take on the yellow bike too. According to the owner it's had some serious business done to the engine and suspension as well as looking pretty.
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mmm rather pay $2,500 for one here and use the $500 wisely, its tidy granted but fair from perfect but transport etc just makes it a little over the edge for me.
still got 2 of my own here and uyeah they are a nice looking bus and like you say the are reliable old girls, but fukc there heavy, one of the pricks fell on me the other day loading it in as a spare, nearly bloody killed me.
Compared the the TM and the YZ i was also loading, you felt Just how many Extra and arkward Kgs they do carry.
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I've got an SC500A and an MX360A ( minters , both restored ) ,,,,,,,,,,,,, and yep , they are heavy when pushing them up the ramp , that's for sure ,,,, but they are still nice to ride ,, :D
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Brian the seller of the above beauty is also selling his fully prepped and restored race bike. He offered me both for $2000 so I'd imagine he wants $1750 for the A model . Looks like a nice piece of kit.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/006.jpg)
That's a very tidy race ready MX 8) and worth the $1750-2000US - even worth the $3000US landed here.
Looks like an aftermarket chamber, Renthal bars, new throttle, totally rebuilt wheels (clean spokes and hubs, lipless rims) and modern shox. I would also bet that some one who does this detail has put together a good (and modded?) engine/trans. Just looking and guessing at these details I think it is one of the best and original examples I've seen.
The other one is a steal at $250US ;).
Nice to hear the appreciation for the MX's. Back in the day they were so obviously overshadowed by the YZ's and written off as 'play racers'. But they were as certainly as good as CZ, Monties, Ossa's and Huskies etc etc in the hands of muggins club racer. Their biggest weakness were probably very ordinary suspension and weight. I sure a little thought and modern components in these departments and a few tweaks with the handling could have them competitive with anything in the class - and that's before you work on the porting - there's plenty of scope there.
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I need a pre 75 open classer....wouldnt even have to change the race number....looks like lots of mulla spent on that one, it does look very clean and a bargain price if you ask me...it just shits me how cheap the bikes are in the USA........ ???
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Sure the MX model is a bit of a lump but what an engine! You hear horror stories about many early Japanese bikes but you'll rarely hear any about the MX series engine. The potential for port, pipe and ignition fiddling is amongst the best. I've got a spare featherweight Hindall frame that's doing nothing so wouldn't it be cool if I transferred all of the MX360 running gear over onto it? I always figured that if you could knock 10-15kg out of the MX you'd have a ball tearer pre '75 racer plus
It'd make a good team mate to my new pre 70 Hindall and the Cheney.
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I agree with you Firko the MX360 is a good bike to ride, once you sort out the front end with some PD valves and some decent shocks, my 360 has also had some minor port work, it handle great and pulls like a tractor, you found a good bargin Firko, the 360A is CHEAP. ;D
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I've got a spare featherweight Hindall frame that's doing nothing so wouldn't it be cool if I transferred all of the MX360 running gear over onto it? I always figured that if you could knock 10-15kg out of the MX you'd have a ball tearer pre '75 racer plus
(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/OzVMX/nike-just-do-it.jpg)
You know you want to ;D
Be inspired....
(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/OzVMX/DTlightweight.jpg) (http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/OzVMX/dtlightweight-1.jpg)
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It's a small old world Graeme....Our Las Vegas mate Bob Neilson, the bloke who I bought my B&S TM400, Alans upcoming Redline Honda, Ray Sullivans ex Dave Tanner ex Cozzie Cheney TM400 and my new Hindall DT1 actually owns that Cycle Guide cover bike. Bob's a real VMX detective, managing to uncover some of our sports rarer and more historically relevant bikes and I'm currently getting ready to do features on two of his more interesting bikes for an upcoming VMX issue. His latest finds are the 250 Suzuki X6 Hustler dirt tracer that won Sante Fe short track national in 67 & 68 with Jimmy Odom and then Mark Brelsford riding. In the same deal Bob also got the 250 Triumph rigid Sonic that Gene Romero rode in 69 & 70. I'll post pics when Bob sends them on.
The lightweight MX360 idea actually grew legs last night, thinking about it on the car journey home from dinner and later in bed as I faded off into Noddyland. The Hindall frame is just what the MX needs and it'd be cool to actually weigh everything and build the lightest bike possible (as in the Cycle Guide piece) as a forum "Lightweight Yamaha for Dummies" piece or even a magazine article. I reckon weighing every component, picking between Ceriani, Betor, Yamaha or even Maico forks, different tank and seat combos, wheel and tyre choices between stock Yamaha or CZ, Rickman, REH or anything else we can find, and so on down the line. My Boyd and Stellings TM400 comes in at around 185lbs (84kg) so I reckon that'd be a good target weight. Any further thoughts and ideas?
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84 kg's for a modded TM400 is very light Firko, std would have been closer to 110 kg's....even DT's RN400 weighs about 89 kg's....would be a rocket on the track. If you could get the MX360 down there it would be a giant killer.
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84 kg's for a modded TM400 is very light Firko, std would have been closer to 110 kg's....even DT's RN400 weighs about 89 kg's....would be a rocket on the track. If you could get the MX360 down there it would be a giant killer.
John we did an informal lift and push comparo between Dave's RN and the B&S at CD7 and were surprised to find the Boyd and Stellings felt and looked noticably lighter. The bike is almost TM125 sized in overall dimensions. When I got home curiosity got the better of me and I weighed it using my digital bathroom scales and got the 85 kg figure. I'd be pretty sure the scales aren't all that scientifically accurate with a bike on a stand sitting on them so I'd vary that 85kg result 10% either way, even 90-95 kg is desirable. Once you take a look at the Boyd and Stellings you can see how the weight was achieved, by making everything as light and scaled down as feasible. I can pick the frame and swingarm up with one hand and hold it over my head with no discomfort. Try that with a stock Suzuki or Yamaha frame. The forks are machined down YZA items, alloy swingarm, plastic everything bodywise and titanium bolts (sorry Ji)throughout, except for the axles and swingarm pivot which I replaced with steel stockers because the Ti items were a bit second hand looking.
I think the Hindall frame would be slightly heavier than the B&S item going by the 'lift over head test' but it's still shitloads lighter than a stocker. I'd like to keep the bike still identifiable as an MX360 which would mean keeping the stock steel tank or finding a silver grey Clark Plastics replica item. This morning a mate suggested a Suzuki RM tank painted silver with the stock Yamaha graphics would look pretty right....Maybe!
Here's a link to a few of the Barry Watkins "lightweight" project bikes he build in Cycle Guide and Cycle World magazines in the early seventies. These articles are regarded as bible to cut and shut hot rod builders like me and Vegas Bob. Read them and you'll get an idea of what I'd like to do with the MX360 and see that my 85kg goal is achievable. http://www.eurospares.com/graphics.htm#Vintage Dirt Bikes (http://www.eurospares.com/graphics.htm#Vintage Dirt Bikes)
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can vouch for firko the boyd and stelling 400 light as Daves RN400 possibly lighter to lift
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Thanks to this thread, the other yellow MX360 is now also enroute to Australia (no, not to me or Jonesy either!).
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/006.jpg)